The enemies of freedom
August 30th, 2004 at 8:46 pm by David FarrarThe threat to murder the kidnapped French journalists, unless France repeals its new law banning Muslim girls from wearing headscarves, is a sad but useful lesson to us that the extreme fundamentalist Islamic terrorists are basically enemies of freedom.
I am sure some people think that Islamic terrorist attacks only happen because Bush is President (never mind Sept 11 planning started before he was elected). Or that they are just a reaction to American imperialism or Israel’s occupation of disputed territories.
But the reality is that some (no not all) extreme fundamentalist Muslims want to destroy the secular (and unholy) West.
France oppossed the war in Iraq at every turn. They are known to be heavily pro-Arab in their foreign policy. They have no troops in Iraq. They have a large Muslim population who are full French citizens.
All they did is democratically decide to pass a law, reflecting that France is a secular country. Now I think the law is a bit daft, but it is France’s right as a democracy to pass it.
However these killers do not respect democracy. They do not respect separation of church and state. They believe they have the right to murder innocent civilians, just because they disapprove of a law. They think God says it is okay to murder people to blackmail a democratic country to change its laws.
I passionately hope that Iraq stabilises soon. I also hope we get a Palestinian State at peace with Israel. But I do not delude myself that either of these two things will stop the extreme fundamentalist killers, and their supporters. I wish I knew what would.
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August 30th, 2004 at 8:59 pm
Sadly, the only way to stop them is the same way our parents stopped Hitler and his SS. Identify them and kill them.
Vote:August 30th, 2004 at 9:42 pm
I’m sure if we hunt them out and kill them we will make martyrs of them. I don’t think anyone has the power to take over and occupy the whole middle east which is what it would take for that approach
Vote:August 30th, 2004 at 10:09 pm
The Islamic Reformation, and the removal of Islam from the political realm.
It’s the only thing that tamed Christianity. I cannot see why Islam will be any different.
Vote:August 30th, 2004 at 11:02 pm
In my observation there are only a very few Muslim groups that preach hatred against all Christians.
There are of course many Muslims that hate and also take action against those who are currently occupying what the Muslims claim to be their own lands – Iraq, Palistine, Kashmir, etc. I don’t want to get into the rights or wrongs of those conflicts because that’s not my point.
My point is that those Muslim groups that preach hatred against all Christians regardless of where we live, are limited as I have observed it to only two groups: the Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia, and Jemaiya Islamya, in S.E. Asia. I mean, for example, al-sadr’s army wouldn’t be an issue if America wasn’t in Iraq, would it?
Anyway, that’s my current observation, but as a diligent truth-seeker I’m happy to be enlightened if someone else can name other main groups that are involved in hating us – Al qaeda as I understand it is Wahabbi in origin. I’m not sure of the spellings but it’s all pretty available out there on the net if anyone cares to look.
However, I’ve also noticed that many Muslims behave like the old Communists did, in that they think it’s their duty to spread their philosophy into foreign lands but aren’t willing to allow reciprocal benefits. They believe, I understand, that since they’re the third and last word of God (first was the Jewish Talmud, then came Jesus, and Mohummad came about 630AD), they think that’s the final word. That’s it, it’s all over. We’re right and there’s no doubt about it. And everything Muhummad said overrules everything you guys have said so shut up and do what we say. And that’s why they see nothing wrong with spreading Mosques all over Europe but refuse to allow Christians to set up in their lands. Seriously, Europe is under real social pressure because these guys don’t want to bend. Which is a bit inhospitable, I would have thought. Seeing as how they’re in Europe. But I’m rather hoping that after their younger generation gets into discos, pubs and video games, it’ll be all over for Mohummad and things’ll get back to normal.
Vote:August 31st, 2004 at 8:45 am
Jordan, if Christianity has been “tamed” why do you lefties still verbally abuse it more than you do Islam? It couldn’t be the fact that Christians don’t issue fatwas is it?
Vote:August 31st, 2004 at 9:03 am
Unfortunately we pretty much have to write off the current generation of militants, there is nothing that can be done with them.
The solution is the proper education of the next generation so that something more meaningful than distorted religious belief can take up the vacumm sitting above their sholders.
Vote:August 31st, 2004 at 9:26 am
Nah mate. Contrast what France says with what France does: see this article – http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1092280020498&apage=1.
I note this quote from your link: “French Muslim leaders urged France not to negotiate and issued impassioned appeals for the men to be freed, denouncing the ultimatum as “odious blackmail”.
Vote:August 31st, 2004 at 9:28 am
Does anyone else have problems with the phase “proper education”?
not that i disagree with the general gist…
Vote:August 31st, 2004 at 10:15 am
Mark, I don’t see Islam trying to stake a place in New Zealand politics, or marching with messages of hate in the capital city.
If I’ve missed these events, could you please let me know
Vote:August 31st, 2004 at 10:39 am
Ah, so it’s only what occurs in New Zealand. Then obviously you do not criticise events in other countries then? Say, America?
Vote:August 31st, 2004 at 11:08 am
Theology lecturer Prof Jim Veitch had an interesting comment this morning on a presbyterian chat site. He suggested that if we go back to the thinking of the actual time of Jesus we might save ourselves from going to war with Muslims. Unfortunately he didn’t have a recipe for stopping them going to war with us.
Vote:August 31st, 2004 at 11:55 am
Isn’t there already a Palestinian State, with a King and everything? Jordon and Israel are pretty much at peace. There we are DPF, one issue solved …
Vote:August 31st, 2004 at 12:45 pm
Gaz, how many waffen SS martyrs were there in 1946?
Vote:I suspect the majority of Muslims would gladly assist in identifying those rabid few who deserve the chop.
August 31st, 2004 at 12:55 pm
Mark, when did you stop beating your wife?
Vote:August 31st, 2004 at 1:05 pm
Stephen, when are you going to stop spanking your monkey?
Vote:August 31st, 2004 at 2:01 pm
Children please, if you are going to be insulting it is good manners to be a. funny, b. original.
Vote:September 1st, 2004 at 11:33 am
Islam will bid its time in nz and side with lefties while christianity shoots itself in the
Vote:foot then when the left is the majority it will unlease hell on us.
December 20th, 2004 at 8:52 am
Evil Killers , Mass Murders, Rapist, and LIARS call themselves islamic muslims and pray to a ( moon god ) they call allah, Muslims scream (allah akbar) as they cut off heads of people who will not pray to their MOON GOD. Their lives are orchestrated by an evil book called the (qur
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