NZ Nazis
May 29th, 2005 at 11:17 am by David FarrarNormally I get really annoyed with anyone being labelled a Nazi, because it diminishes the horror of the actual Nazis.
But I think everyone can agree that the New Zealand National Socialist Party are Nazis as they use the swastika, want NZ citizenship to be reserved for those with European parents, all journalists must be Europeans and “opposes the continuation of the Jewish religion within our borders”.
They also want the Government to authorise any non-NZ newspapers. I guess they have not heard of the Internet!
Don’t over-react to this. This is literally a couple of guys, with really really small penises, in a basement somewhere.
Hat Tip: Asher
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May 29th, 2005 at 11:40 am
An obvious Mossad front.
Vote:May 29th, 2005 at 12:09 pm
I agree with you, they gotta keep that holocaust thing going so they can continue to ignore international law on the West bank.
Vote:May 29th, 2005 at 12:09 pm
“This is literally a couple of guys, with really really small penises, in a basement somewhere.”
At one time so was the Nazi Party.
Vote:May 29th, 2005 at 1:09 pm
So NZ First have a youth wing after all…
Vote:May 29th, 2005 at 1:19 pm
There’s that mythical beast “international law” again. The holy grail of the denial monkey and mating call of the anti-Semite.
Would this be the violation of “international law” that permits terrorists to murder without hindrance? Or the “international law” that allows idiots to decry the “genocide” on the West Bank while pretending that the actual genocide committed by the Nazi’s didn’t happen?
What is it about democracy that the lefties hate so much?
They’re so bloody pathetic it’s impossible to parody their cognitive dissonance.
International law – taken in arms out of uniform = liable to imediate exectution.
Thats law.
Vote:May 29th, 2005 at 1:45 pm
Dim – I will be generous to you and believe you are pulling our legs.
Vote:I know it is hard for non-Jewish NZers to understand there are still idiots in NZ from both the lunatic fringes of the Left and the Right who believe we cooked up the Holocaust, control the media worldwide, despite NZ being controlled by Aussie Murdoch and Irish-Catholic O’Reilly. Muslims are fed the line Jews were at the bottom of Sept 11, the list goes on and on…
I had a look at that braindead site last night (the Jewish community was alerted to it) and there is nothing there that is already not on the public record. I don’t like the ridiculous, baseless taunts about a NZ Jew, David Zwartz.
Nz Jews are constantly harrassed about Israel’s rights and wrongs in a way that NZ Chinese are never hassled about human rights in China or Tibet issues, or in a way that NZ Indians are hassled about Kashmir and their despicable caste system. Where are all the do-gooder Lefties when it comes to crushing the absolute, corrupt monarchy in Tonga? No where of course, can’t rock the PI Labour Party vote. Despite being a fourth generation NZ Jew, whose family and community has come from hardship and horror that Anglo-Celts and Maori can only speculate about, I resent the constant implications of disloyalty and conspiracy that NZ Jews get lumped with.
Despite the Jewish community being blindly loyal for years to the Labour Pary and generous funders of it (MIchael Hirshfeld served as a President)because it fitted with Jewish values of egalitarinism etc, many Jews are now realising we have never been a “priority minority” ever in this country.
May 29th, 2005 at 1:52 pm
This site is not-working. Geocities has it temporarily unavailable. Either it has been taken down or has been swamped.
hat tip to the fathes of Zion for mercifully delivering us from these guys. I love belonging to the tribe that runs the world economy, the government, the world media and now the internet.
Shalom!
G
Vote:May 29th, 2005 at 2:03 pm
I think it’s a hoax.
one of three things:
-It’s John Tamihere’s new party
-some geeks wanting to know how many hits they can get
-some geeks wanting to spoof NZ First
If it’s the first then I hope they are under 18 and can be allowed their 1 stupid mistake, that they’ll look back years from now and regret.
If it’s the later then it will backfire, and whoever did it should take it down because it’s not funny and will have bad political karma.
Gman
Vote:May 29th, 2005 at 2:33 pm
I think it’s for real. Kyle ‘I am not a Nazi’ Chapman, Aryan superman and rotund, chinless leader of the National Front has supposedly been cleaning house in an attempt to turn his organisation into a viable political party. I suspect these are the NFs outcasts.
I see their page count has reached a massive 147 hits. I can’t help speculate that approx 135 of them were either journalists or jews.
Vote:May 29th, 2005 at 5:10 pm
And speak of the Devil . . .
National Front leader Chapman resigns for his kids
Vote:http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3295927a11,00.html
May 29th, 2005 at 10:34 pm
Israel is a small country that ignores international law and puts the security of the middle east at risk. This is a vital region because of oil, like it or lump it. Strategically China is not in the same ballpark, though it is an emerging industrial power of some importance. I just wish Israel was never created in the first place but I guess thanks to nuclear weapons we are stuck with the place now. Apart from an understandable sentimental reaction to the horror of the holocaust, what has Israel done for NZ? All I can think of is the 1st and 2nd oil shock.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 7:10 am
If Israel did not exist individuals in the Middle East would find a new target. They have been aggressive since the 7th century and why would they change now. They still moan about Gallipoli.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 7:18 am
Sally – If your family has been here for 4 generations then you are a New Zealander. If you insist on maintaining a seperate ethnic identity for yourself then you can not moan if you get hassled for it. When New Zealand muslims get attacked (verbally) for bringing their ethnic and religious beliefs here and continue as though they were still in the old country they should listen. This is not mini China,Iraq, India or Israel. This is New Zealand. The only way to stamp out racism in any form is to lose the idea of race. I’m sure that ethnic Chinese that lived through Mao’s reign (est 70 million dead) might disagree that you have some sort of moral high ground on hardship and horror.
What I’m trying to say is forget about the old land. The memory of it has been causing death and destruction for thousands of years. You live in this beautiful place where luckily ( through a lack of history ) we have the opportunity to create a place of peace for all.
Live it
Allah protect us.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 8:35 am
‘If you insist on maintaining a seperate ethnic identity for yourself then you can not moan if you get hassled for it.’
Yes she fucking can. I don’t see why Jews – or Chinese, or any immigrants to New Zealand – should turn their back on several thousand years of tradition and history just because their parents have moved to Gisbourne.
If everyone abandoned their culture then the whole damn country would be like Christchurch in the 1950′s. I’d almost prefer to live in Gaza.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 8:49 am
tim barclay and TheProphet.
Which international law does Israel ignore? Been watching too much BBC?
You ask – “what has Israel ever done for me?” Ever used a cellphone? How about Windows NT or a pentium chip or voicemail? What about specialist medical devices? Want more evidence? Then check out: http://www.newsoftheday.com/israel/.
As for the enlightenment offered by TheProphet, who made you King and allowed you to ban the practice of mainstream religious belief in New Zealand?
A right pair of shlemiels.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 10:26 am
Hey Tony – did you know that North Korea is the greatest country on earth? Or that Kim Jong Il is widely regarded as the greatest thinker of all time? Did you know he invented the automobile and the toaster? Don’t believe me? Just check out this web site!
http://www.kimsoft.com/dprk.htm
Chest-thumping clowns like you (‘Israelis invented fire and the wheel! Don’t believe me? You must be an anti-semite!’) are the main reason Israel is such a tedious, irritating place to live.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 10:54 am
tonto..”..If Israel did not exist individuals in the Middle East would find a new target..They still moan about Gallipoli..”
you crack me up..you don’t see the humour/irony in a new zealander accusing another nation of still moaning about gallipoli..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 11:28 am
Tony next you will be telling me that Israel is responsible for Albert Einstein and other distinguished jews. International Law is respected by NZ and most other countries, as represented by UN resolutions. Israel ignores them on the West bank. It is a failed State that contributes nothing to international security indeed it threatens it repeatedly. I wish it was never created, but as I said we are stuck with the place. Yes I hold them responsible for keeping the flame of Nazi-ism alive. I condemn Israel for forcing us to take sides between two evils – them and the Nazis. On a narrow vote I chose Israel, but the margin gets narrower.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 11:31 am
Tony next you will be telling me that Israel is responsible for Albert Einstein and other distinguished jews. International Law is respected by NZ and most other countries, as represented by UN resolutions. Israel ignores them on the West bank. It is a failed State that contributes nothing to international security indeed it threatens it repeatedly. I wish it was never created, but as I said we are stuck with the place. Yes I hold them responsible for keeping the flame of Nazi-ism alive. I condemn Israel for forcing us to take sides between two evils – them and the Nazis. On a narrow vote I chose Israel, but the margin gets narrower.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 12:07 pm
Mr Barclay – your comments comparing Israel to the Nazis are grossly offensive.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 1:53 pm
tim – the anti-Semitic Left – “I condemn Israel for forcing us to take sides between two evils – them and the Nazis.” That’s right, the Jews and the Nazis were the same. It is quite remarkable that this sort of sentiment was once the exclusive province to the far right but now is so popular with elements of the Left.
One reason I think is that the Right has been made to purge this sort of thinking but the Left have never really come to terms with the brutal extremists in their history. So the flames of extremism find fuel within the safety liberal complacency.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 1:53 pm
TheProphet – sorry to upset your vision of me. I’m afraid I am quite indistinquishable from the rest of the rabble and look distinctly European in look and dress. You tell me to forget the “old country” -well I am Euro-descent and a diaspora Jew but I maintain the right for my people to have a homeland for those who want to dwell there. My people here in NZ, unlike other minorities, don’t demand special priveledges, make disproportinate claims on the health, justice or social welfare systems. We have made and continue to make an enormous out-of-proportion contribution in medicine, pyschology, teaching and the arts in particular here in NZ. When it comes to sports Jews need to pick up their game:). We don’t inflict our dietary laws or religious laws on anyone else but ourselves and we are most proud of the fact we are indeed well-intergrated as Jews and NZers. Like I said before I can’t get over the double standard that applies to hassle Jewish NZers about Israel, a country we have no control over but other NZ minorities are left untouched when it comes to problems back in the homeland.
Tim Barclay – Tony simply gave an answer plus evidence to your question about “what has Israel done for you”. Don’t let good old fashioned envy of Jewish over-acheivement that has benefited all of mankind get in the way though.
I don’t have the answers to help solve the problems of Israel-Palestine. But I am darn sure even if Israel didn’t exsist the Arabs and Muslims would still be brawling amongst themselves and blaming the West for their self-inflicted woes. Please just don’t take my word for it -I will give you the highlights of a UN report all but generously ignored by NZ’s PC press.
The UN’s Arab Development Report (2002)prepared by Arab intellectulas and sponsored in part of the Arab League, so claims of Western influnece couldn’t be claimed, makes grim reading. The report covers 22 Arab countries containing 280 million people says the Arb world is “richer than it is developed”.
Rima Khalaf Hunaidi head of the UN’s Arab section has begged the Arab world not to ignore the findings:
50% of Arab women are illiterate and those who do have access to higher education are given teaching inferior to what was being taught in the 1950s.
Maternal mortality rate 4 times that of East Asia.
Unemployment across the region averged 15% three times the world average.
The lack of any scientific, medical, research and development and the subsequent shunning of Non-Arab intellectuals. Of particular concern at University level was the prohibition on Philosophy and Non-Islamic religious teaching and political systems.
A long list of human rights abuses, illegal jailings of political dissenters, horrendous descriptions of the acceptance of rape and sexual crimes to control and repress women.
AnD finally, the jewel in the crown – “These cruel regimes have used the pretext of the Isreali-Palestine conflict to POSTPONE INDEFINITLEY ANY DEMOCRACTIC REFORMS”
Mr Hunaidi expects to “make no friends” with this report in the Arab world and says that the “Western world needs to stop making excuses about the Arab world”
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 2:26 pm
I find it offensive that Israel uses the tactics of the nazi storm troopers against the Palistinians. They forcably remove them from their housing and bulldoze them down. They gettoise thenm employing them in low paid “arab” work. They build a wall though communities without regard for the disruption it causes. They allow settlers to occupy arab land in direct defiance with international law. As I said I do compare Irael with the Nazis. The only thing they do not do is the industrial extermination of the Palistinians but on every other score they compare closely.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 2:27 pm
If it were not for the existence of Israel then the Palestinians would have no hope of establishing their own state. The purpose of the 1948 Arab invasion of Israel was to destroy Israel, not to set up an independent Palestinian state. Had the invasion been successful then Palestine would have been absorbed into the surrounding Arab countries.
During the period when the West Bank and Gaza were occupied (no one seemed to mind that occupation) by Jordan and Egypt there was no talk of establishing a Palestinian state. Jordan and Egypt were quiet happy.
In fact there was a high level of hostility towards Palestinian national aspirations evidenced by Jordan
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 2:31 pm
If NZ declared war on Israel whose side would you be on?
Vote:I pick NZ.
May 30th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
Against the backdrop of the horror of the Nazis, western public opinion would not have allowed the Arabs to occupy Palistine with the obvious consequences for the jews under Arab hands. But that is not the same thing as supporting Israel today, which I don’t, and neither, I venture majority moderate opinion in NZ today. That is how far things have shifted in the last 20 years in NZ and I suspect elsewhere.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 3:08 pm
Tim, you might want to read up on your history. In 948 Israel had very little outside assistance in its fight against the Arab invasion. Israel defended itself; Europe did not come to its defense. There was a European arms embargo against Israel, although a small amount of arms got through from Czechoslovakia.
Had Israel not won, a Palestinain state would not now be in the making.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 3:21 pm
Tim Barclay, not just nasty but also very very dumb.
Not least for your anti-Israeli cant, which i guess is a blind spot you can’t help yourself on. But get a grip for God’s sake!
If you really think a tiny little country like Israel surrounded by 280 million arabs (all of whose problems are all Israel’s fault) is less strategically important than China allow me to suggest that thinking is just a little too hard for you.
On evil Israel – if Israel was really the rogue state you seem to think they are, how come there are still “palestinians”? – after all we saw what Jordan did to palestinians in 1970.
Do you know how Nazis behaved? Which part of the genocide, the gas chambers, the Gestapo, Krystallnacht and the mass murdering did you miss when you decided that Israelis were Nazis? Well?
Sock Thief has it entirely right. If the Israelis had had any foreknowledge of how effective leftist propaganda was going to be -inventing a country “palestine” that had never existed, turning a bunch of jordanians into “palestinians” and turning 3 wars of attempted annihalation into a story of evil israeli oppression, they should have wiped out the refugee camps in 73 and apologised quietly later.
Then they MIGHT have lived up to your description, but of course only if the victims of the Nazis had a stated policy of exterminating all Nazis and driving all Germans into the sea, and engaged in suicide bombings in nightclubs, mortar attacks on school buses and of course machine gunning schoolkids. See how clever your stupid little analogy is now?
so please stop claiming to be a moderate about this, you are behaving like a hysterical nutjob.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 4:16 pm
Using the holocaust to justify Israel today is really quite beyond belief, though I am beginning to understand why the jews were hated so much in Germany during the 30s. The middle East because of oil is far more vital to NZs security than China is today. The fate of Israel is important to the overall security of the middle east. That is why the US president spends so much time on the wretched country.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 4:22 pm
And I , tim, am beginning to understand how people like you came up with ways of dealing with their hatred of Jews in 30s Germany.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 5:19 pm
My views on Israel would be moderate NZ opinion, that is how things have shifted. It is not yet antisematic but I agree it is a short step to that. Anti jewish feeling in 30s Germany possibly arose from the ugly tactics of jewish money lenders during the depression, supported by the the jewish legal profession enforcing their rights, I am not sure but that is my theory.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
T Selwyn:
If New Zealand ever degenerates to the state where we as a nation see Israel as a greater threat than say China, then New Zealand is not worth fighting for.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 5:41 pm
Tim Barclay said “Anti jewish feeling in 30s Germany possibly arose from the ugly tactics of jewish money lenders during the depression, supported by the the jewish legal profession enforcing their rights”
What a crock of shit !
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 5:59 pm
Tim, Germany, then and now, is very different from what you imagine. Read this :
One More Time: Anti-Americanism, anti-Semitism, anti-capitalism in Germany
Vote:http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/2005/05/one_more_time_a.html
May 30th, 2005 at 6:10 pm
“Anti jewish feeling in 30s Germany possibly arose from the ugly tactics of jewish money lenders during the depression, supported by the the jewish legal profession enforcing their rights”
I thought it was because they were poisoning wells and sacrificing babies to Satan (they killed Christ, you know).
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 6:23 pm
Wow – I don’t know what’s more disturbing, this NZ Nazi stuff, or the sentiments of some of the people in this comments section.
There’s something very rotten happening here.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 6:30 pm
I’m not gonna bother replying about the Israel stuff that has come up here – firstly, I don’t have time, and secondly, most of you should know my opinion by now (and if you don’t, read my blog).
As for the NZNSP, it’s not run by a couple of little kids, and it’s not a joke – It’s run by Nic Miller, who you probably will have heard of. You see, Nic is currently in court (in fact, he was in there today) over his alleged role in the bashing of 3 Somali youths in Newtown, Wellington, in 2004. He has also been frequently linked to the desecrations of the Jewish cemetaries in Bolton St , Makara and Wanganui, and the running over of a Maori man in Palmerston North (I won’t say any more than that, as I’m not in the mood to be sued for libel today). Nic was also formerly the Wellington rep for the National Front.
Another lovely soul involved in the NZNSP is Anthony Smith, who goes by the online alias of Baroque. Anthony was formerly involved in the National Front in Auckland, but left as, in his opinion, the NF’s (piss-poor) attempt at gaining political legitimacy made it a “tool of the Jews”.
While the Nazi movement in NZ is not huge, it does exist and cannot be ignored. Another group is the New Zealand Nazi Militia, who’s former head, Brendon Rimmer, left them to join the National Front, and later became the NF Youth Rep. Earlier today, however, Rimmer announced he had left the NF and rejoined the NZNM.
For more info about any of the individuals or groups involved, feel free to email me, or read another website I’m involved in, Fight Dem Back ( http://www.fightdemback.com ).
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 6:33 pm
The rise of the Nazi party arose out of extreme economic failure when public opinion became polarised between communism and the extreme right. How the extreme right were able to mine anti jewish sentiment out of that I am not sure but it must be related to economic failure and blaming the jews for that. As jews were prominent in finance and the legal profession there was possibly a link. It is not a crock of shit as some of the duller bloggers suggest.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 6:39 pm
Tim Barclay you really are beyond the pale
while you are going on about how evil the jews are, you forgot to mention how they killed the babies of gentiles to get the blood for their sinister religious rites.
call yourself a moderate new zealander. Pah! you are a disgusting little man.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 7:15 pm
Gazzedelsud I have never said how evil jews are. I said I do not support the State of Israel and I did bracket the State of Israel with the Nazis, minus the holocaust. But by a narrow call I support Israel if forced to chose between them and the Nazis. And I think moderate NZ opinion does not support the State of Israel, and the tactics of the Israeli army bear uncanny resemblance to the Nazi storm troopers, something NZ fought against. I find your analysis puerile.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 7:24 pm
“uncanny resemblance to the Nazi storm troopers”
you mean when they:
rounded up all of the citizens of the Palestinian villages, forced them to dig pits, then machinegunned them and buried them in the woods?
or where they rounded all the Palestinians into wagons and sent them off to slave labour camps?
or perhaps where they forced Palestinians who were too weak to work into gas chambers at gunpoint?
yes thats right the resemblance is uncanny. But of course your comparison is the Nazis MINUS the holocaust – where they were just a bit authoritarian but at least they fixed the economy and had groovy uniforms?
and you have the gall to call me puerile.
You are a sad, sad little man.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 7:35 pm
Well I could outline the tactics of the Israeli soldiers and the way Israel ignores international law. If Israel wishes the support of countries like NZ then they would need to improve their treatment of indigenous people, and respect international law including the operation of mossad agents in this country. They don’t of course so they get lumped into the axis of evil as far as I am concerned. It is significant the Labour Government could take a firm line on the mossad agents and Helen Clark’s approval rating shoot up. Scretching that we are all Nazis is quite puerile you sad little man.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 8:34 pm
tim barclay.
Which international law did Israel not respect?
I see that your protestations of “moderation” are really a disguise for your out and out anti-Semitism (except you declare your self to be just a small step away from it). It’s your racist remarks about Jews that I take offense to.
If you want to criticise Israel then start by listing facts. Here’s one – yes, Israel did occupy Judea, Samaria and Gaza after the 6 Day War in 1967 (staretd by the Arab states), and they began to hand them back after Oslo (a process that was halted when Intifadeh 2 was unleashed). But, get this, many of the Arab population now say that they’d rather have Israel reoccupy these territories than continue to suffer at the hands of their own corrupt, murderous leadership.
And as for the puerile rant in response to my statement about Israel’s contributions to the world, you don’t have to believe it (I don’t care – but try refuting it with facts). However, if whether a legitimate country has done soemthing for you is a test of whether it should continue to exist, it sure says a lot about your sense of values. How do Chad, Niger and San Marino stack up?
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 9:17 pm
Those mossad agents in NZ broke NZ law and got punished for it. By making a meal of it Helen Clark got feted by Hamas – something moderate NZers like Tim Barclay can be proud of?
Is NZ a signatory to “international law” have we subordinated our sovereignty to some super-national lawmaking body? – i can’t say i noticed when that happened. Funnily enough i don’t think any other country has either.
Anyway, you’ve been given the opportunity, prove your contention that Israel=Nazi Germany (minus the holocaust)or shut up.
This should be easy for you, after all you are the one who understands Nazis, and you are the one who is just a short step from anti-semitism – in your own words.
oh and if you are going to try and be insulting – try and be amusing with it, or at least be original (learning to spell is often a good first step).
zeig heil old bean.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Exocet:
Answer the question! You say “If New Zealand ever degenerates to the state where we as a nation see Israel as a greater threat than say China, then New Zealand is not worth fighting for.”
What the hell has China got to do with it? I’m not talking about a threat necessarily. The same could be said about Apartheid South Africa – if we had gone to war with them it would not be because they threatened us. Then again if we were ruled by Jim Jarclay (for example) and it was just an anti-semitic crusade we might not back the NZ govt. Then again if Israel said they would nuke us if we declared war then we might not back the NZ govt. Then there are alliances, International law, etc etc.
So let me re-phrase the hypothetical question:
If New Zealand and the State of Israel were in a conflict where only one could survive and impose it’s will on the other which nation would you support?
Tim Barclay:
Could you get any further to the edge? Interesting points about Jewish lawyers and money-lenders – I’m guessing not too many of them would have been unemployed in the depression because of their occupations (possibly including academics as well) but that’s hardly their fault! A lot of it can be put down to envy it seems. As far as wide-spread anti-semitism goes it is heartening to read Goebbels’ diary and find that after each action against Jews he reports that people are helping them, hiding them and tipping them off. After a decade of hard-out hate propoganda and social ostracism many average Germans who could have been imprisoned, executed or dismissed for assisting Jews still chose to help them as much as they could.
The Jewish state does have the remaining non-ethnically cleansed Arabs as citizens so that is very different from Nazi Germany. But to add a bit more fuel to the fire I found the Nazi use of anti-semitic Baltic and Balkan militias to murder Jews very similar to Sharon’s use of Christian Phalangist militia to massacre Palestinian refugees in Sabra and Shatilla camps in 1982.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Gazadelsad you must be a dreadful school teacher to on about spelling. I am afraid my keyboard skills are not flash hence my spelling. Israel repeadly ignores a number of UN resolutions on the West bank, that is breaking international law. That places them into another category of State as far as I am concerned. NZ as far as I can see has never broken international law and is one of the very few sovereign countries that has never defaulted on its international debt. I do not think I am anti jew, about half my family are jews but I am anti-likud jew so what that makes me I dunno, I do not care.
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 11:16 pm
Not wanting to make light of the anti-semitic element of the so-called NZ Nazi Party’s ideology, they also seem to have it in for Asians and Maoris.
Now I’m for free speech generally, but I think this is quite beyond the pale. Probably even seditious (Crimes Act 1961 s81 (1) (d) “…to excite such hostility or ill will between different classes of persons as may endager the public safety”) Publication of statements encouraging seditious behaviour carries a maximum prison sentence of two years (s83).
If, as a previous poster suggests a chap associated with this group is currently before the courts accused of violent crimes, perhaps the police should be advised of this site. Throw the book at the bastard, I say…
Vote:May 30th, 2005 at 11:24 pm
Paul – I am sure the cops already know about this, they keep a close eye on far-right activism in this country.
All the claims I made can be verified from articles in newspapers such as the Dominion Post, Sunday Star-Times and NZ Herald, many of which are quoted on the aforementioned Fight Dem Back site ( http://www.fightdemback.com ). Like I said, for more info, email me, this is one of the things I spend my time researching.
Vote:May 31st, 2005 at 10:16 am
‘But, get this, many of the Arab population now say that they’d rather have Israel reoccupy these territories than continue to suffer at the hands of their own corrupt, murderous leadership.’
Do you REALLY believe this? The arabs want to be occupied by Israel about as much as the Israelis want to be occupied by the arabs.
Vote:May 31st, 2005 at 12:49 pm
t selwyn wrote:
If NZ declared war on Israel whose side would you be on?
I pick NZ.
That is hilarious!
Vote:Helen Clark: After due consideration Mr Sharon, we have decided to declare war on Israel.
Ariel Sharon: Oh really? You and whose army?
May 31st, 2005 at 1:25 pm
Tim Barclay said:
“I do not support the State of Israel”.
What a dumbarsed thing to say! Can you imagine anybody saying that about any other country? Even when America was invading Iraq and Afghanistan nobody said “I do not support the State of Afghanistan”.
In Tim’s world, apparently every ethnic group on earth has a right to their own autonomously run state in their land of origin – except for Jews…
Vote:June 1st, 2005 at 8:29 am
tim barclay.
You said: “Israel repeadly ignores a number of UN resolutions on the West bank, that is breaking international law. That places them into another category of State as far as I am concerned.”
Name one. Oh, maybe you’re talking about the opinions that spew from that world-renowned hypocrisy-forum called the General Assembly? Since when did they have the status of international law? (The vision of the representatives of Iran, Syria, Zimbabwe and Libya solemnly pronouncing on Israel’s human rights record would deserve its own Monty Python skit, if it weren’t so tragic.) But maybe you’re getting ready to denounce NZ for its blatant violation of “international law” because it ignores a UN condemnation of our Government’s foreshores policy?
Your talents are wasted on this thread – you should seek employment with the National Front (or whatever they call themselves now). There’s a vacancy.
dim. Perhaps you’re the same dim who got all upset (on another thread) about not being able to drive your car through Orthodox neighbourhoods in Jerusalem on a Saturday – forcing you to make detours? So glad you came back to NZ so you can try and alienate the cultural sensitivities of other groups. Why not start by wearing shoes into a whare nui? Or maybe take a stroll through a haka? After all, it’s your right, isn’t it?
Vote:June 1st, 2005 at 3:48 pm
Its New Zealand Nazi Movemnt, However there matey
Vote:June 1st, 2005 at 5:07 pm
If there was a war between the pro-israel posters on this site and the anti-isreal posters on this site… well I’d go with the pros.
I’ll be at home watching telly tonight if any anti-isreal militant wants to kill me with some sort of weapon that shoots fatal Political Correctness rays.
Vote:June 1st, 2005 at 6:20 pm
Brendon – I keep forgetting whether you switched from NZ Nazi Militia to NZ Nazi Movement or the other way around. No biggie, you’re still arseholes.
Everyone else – The commenter known as Brendon is in fact Brendon Rimmer – A Taupo lad who left his position as leader of the NZ Nazi Militia to join the National Front, was later NF Youth Rep and has recently announced his departure from the NF to rejoin the NZNM (which now, as he so kindly reminded me, stands for NZ Nazi Movement).
Vote:June 1st, 2005 at 6:21 pm
Brendon – I keep forgetting whether you switched from NZ Nazi Militia to NZ Nazi Movement or the other way around. No biggie, you’re still arseholes.
Everyone else – The commenter known as Brendon is in fact Brendon Rimmer – A Taupo lad who left his position as leader of the NZ Nazi Militia to join the National Front, was later NF Youth Rep and has recently announced his departure from the NF to rejoin the NZNM (which now, as he so kindly reminded me, stands for NZ Nazi Movement).
Vote:June 1st, 2005 at 10:02 pm
Tony – If you’ve made it this far you may realise that someone making me king and allowing me in my meglomaniac state to ban all this shit may be a good idea.
Allah protect us.
Vote:June 1st, 2005 at 10:19 pm
The current crop of apoligists for Israel as it has become under a hardline Israeli government, repeatedly justify their criticism of critics regarding the State of Israel in terms of antisemitism and being pro Nazi and the horror of the holocaust. And still they push the boundary further saying Israel can do no wrong. And more arab children throwing stones get shot and they push it a bit further as more moderate opinion gets lost. Israel is not a country that can be judged like a civilised state, frankly it is a threat to international security, the unspoken member of the axis of evil.
Vote:June 2nd, 2005 at 3:37 am
Tim Barclay said on May 30th that he is “beginning to understand why the jews were hated so much in Germany during the 30s”
Someone who would make an odious comment like that is in no position to criticise others for being “apologists.”
Vote:June 2nd, 2005 at 6:12 am
tim barclay (and, to a lesser extent, TheProphet).
Same old moral equivalence eh? When people defend Jews / Judaism or their national homeland Israel against unsubstantiated and irrational attacks, you turn and declare “a plague on both your houses”. That shows about as much backbone as a one-celled life form. Particularly when you have yet to submit one shred of evidence (apart from slanderous myth) in support of your position.
That you lack morality is OK with me, but it may do little for you when you eventually stumble across an issue that directly affects you.
Vote:June 2nd, 2005 at 8:46 am
Tony the evidence is on BBC which I have watched for years, but then I guess you will slander them as anti jew and anyone else that criticises Israel. No I have not been there and nor do I intend to go to the wretched place, that occupies the time of the big powers far far more than it should.
Vote:June 2nd, 2005 at 9:36 am
Tim – you said in any earlier posting that, allegedly, half your family are Jews. Do they know of the contempt you hold their culture, faith and homeland in? Or is this part of your patronising Christian out-clause diatribe “to love the sinner and not the sin”.
Vote:I have no doubt half your best friends are also Maori.
June 2nd, 2005 at 9:59 am
Unlike you Sally I spend a great deal of time with Maori so I do not have a theoretical feel for them, my experience is real unlike you I presume.
Vote:June 2nd, 2005 at 10:10 am
Tim Barclay wrote on 28th May (under the thread ‘Highly Offensive’) “I tell every to go this country is f**ked. Let the Asians and the Maoris have it I say. What a mix!! Maori will be eaten alive.”
Who believes a thing Mr Barclay says ?
Vote:June 2nd, 2005 at 10:51 am
Rodders my comment is a fair one because that is exactly what is going to happen if we cannot attract skilled people with big student loans (which are in effect a tax liability) to stay. The only place where we are going to get immigrants from is Asia, and if we do, it may trigger massive European depopulation of this country. Australian’s top immigrant AAA rating is a young skilled european kiwi. They are quite open about it. We need to have a serious debate about that if we do not want to significantly alter the character of this country. I do not hold much hope for race relations for Maori and Asians frankly. Hence my “eaten alive” comment, a little strong perhaps but to the point. And if we do not have a compeditive tax rate with our nearest neighbour people should continue to f**k off.
Vote:June 2nd, 2005 at 11:17 am
Tim Barclay – au contraire Mr Barclay. I lived for three years in a predominantly Maori town and for what it is worth did several Maori papers at Uni.
Jews believe our Torah is a living document, much like the Treaty Of Waitangi, which gives the Jewish people a claim to Israel and a right to live there. Jews have plenty of historical and archaelogical proof of settlement in Israel. To be consistent you surely must be telling all your Maori mates then that the Treaty is a crock and Pakeha who are the Johnny-come-lately’s (like the Palestinians), have more rights to land and resources and that peace and prosperity would reign if the Maori buggerd off to mythical Hawaiki.
Vote:June 2nd, 2005 at 12:12 pm
Sally doing a paper at University on Maori is a joke, seriously. You must be a recent grad to make such a stupid comment. As for living in a perdominantly maori town for 3 years. Two things I bet you never knew or spoke to many maori, you just saw them in the street, what do you do now, study them at University?? I have lived with maori all my life.
Vote:June 2nd, 2005 at 2:08 pm
Tim – I did preceed my Uni Maori papers with “for what it’s worth”.
Vote:AS for your baseless claim about not interacting with Maori when we lived in a heavily Maori populated town you do kind of have to interact with them on a very personal basis when your husband is the lone doctor and I was the nurse aid/receptionist/shoulder to cry on. The local Maori took us under their wing thankyou very much.
June 2nd, 2005 at 8:37 pm
Tony – since you are a obviously superior two celled life form I will try to make this nice and simple for you.
I don’t know Tim and don’t agree with his views but it would seem to me that it’s when someone disagrees (to any degree) with Jews/Judaism or their national homeland Israel that rising pond scum such as yourself comes to the surface.
I have searched in vain in either of the two comments I have made on this thread for a declaration of a house plague and can’t seem to find it.
Could you please point it out to me.
If YOU CAN’T find it maybe you could withdraw your comment about me as a … slanderous myth.
For you to make any comment on my morality I find very highly offensive,unsubstantiated and irrational.
Finally, in closing ,if you are that fond of Israel ( or any other country ) why don’t you fuck off there and leave my country to people that don’t bring their baggage with them.
Have a nice day.
Allah protect us
Vote:June 2nd, 2005 at 9:47 pm
TheProphet.
I’m so glad that tim barclay tells us that he gets his information about Israel from the BBC. That explains a lot. This is the same BBC that declared Jenin 2002 a massacre, whose reporter wept on camera as Arafat was flown out of Ramallah for his Paris hospital, and which, in the words of 25-year veteran BBC reporter Robin Aitken, is full of systemic political bias.
Aitken – “The scandal is that left wing voices are not balanced by right wing voices. If that is not reformed, then it’s hard to justify allowing the BBC to hold on to its monopoly.”
Mr Aitken said many BBC staffers are active members of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats. He adds: “In 25 years I met only a smattering of Tories in the organisation.”
When you say “… it would seem to me that it’s when someone disagrees (to any degree) with Jews/Judaism or their national homeland Israel that rising pond scum such as yourself comes to the surface.”
As for the slanderous myth … if you cannot recall what you posted earlier in this thread then you must indeed be a “prophet without honour”. Furthermore, not only do you lack backbone, but you display unsuprising ignorance about culture, religion and ethnicity.
tim didn’t disagree with Jews / Judaism as you’d like to have us believe, he expressed the view that Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves. Sounds mighty like you’re supporting such slander. If that were the case, then I guess the cap really is fitting.
As for the delightful Parthian shot – well, you’d be a pretty lonely person if everyone in NZ had to go back to their roots at your whim because they treasure them, or practise their culture. The pond would be all yours.
Vote:June 2nd, 2005 at 10:18 pm
Tony – Full proof that you are full of shit.
So me saying that I don’t agree with Tims views means that I support his views.Hmmm
House plague – sorry still waiting for you to show me the money.
Silly, vain, righteous men such as yourself have brought more suffering and war to the human race than a million ignorants like me.
As for Parthian shot, I do my shooting from the hip and face to face, not take the 2(two) people who have expressed different views from you on this thread and lump them into one ball of dough.
You have proved my point.
One fish, one pond
Allah protect us
Vote:June 3rd, 2005 at 5:47 am
TheProphet.
Your comment that you disagreed with timbarclay should make you immune from criticism? But you see no contradiction in labelling another person who disagrees with timbarclay “rising pond scum”. Sounds like your mother had a tough time with you – “Mum, I hate carrots and won’t eat them, but my brother is an irritating whinger for saying he hates carrots.” The logic is acceptable for a toddler, but you seem to have made no progress.
What I enjoy about Pat Buchanan, country club conservatives like yourself (y’know, the ones that are quietly happy to drop in the black ball, just as long as they aren’t publicly exposed) is that you don’t even notice what you say.
In your post to Sally you said:
“If your family has been here for 4 generations then you are a New Zealander. If you insist on maintaining a seperate ethnic identity for yourself then you can not moan if you get hassled for it.”
In your penultimate post you said:
“Finally, in closing,if you are that fond of Israel (or any other country) why don’t you f**k off there and leave my country to people that don’t bring their baggage with them.”
So, according to you, people who defend Israel against calumnies should “f**k off” from your country (even though you say you disagree with the Israel and Jew-hating timbarclay!!). (So, when are you emigrating?) And Kiwi Jews should discard their identity – become real New Zealanders eh? It’s their fault for being hassled because they maintain their heritage.
Hey, sounds to me like a refined version of timbarclay. Except, at least he’s honest about his anti-Semitism. As for the “plague on both your houses” – it’s plain to see. For you too, Jews and Israel are also the cause of their own problems.
I see you’ve been elevated to a vertebrate (“one fish, one pond”). You flatter yourself. To make the scene nice and cosy, maybe the phrase should be completed – “one Prophet / Fuhrer”?
Vote:June 3rd, 2005 at 8:33 am
I am not an antisemite thank you, but I am anti Israel, as I think it is a racsist state that threatens the security of the middle east and hence the world.
Vote:June 3rd, 2005 at 9:02 am
tim barclay.
When you stated that the Jews were responsible for the horrors visited on them by the Holocaust, then you came out of the closet.
Your information source for stating Israel to be “a racsist state that threatens the security of the middle east and hence the world” comes, by your own admission, solely from the BBC. You offered no evidence in support of your previous postings. The English-speaking world has a word for that – “bigot”.
Please give an example of Israel’s “racism”. What reasons do you have for saying that Israel threatens the region and the world – apart from its right to self-defence. (It’s as bizarre as saying that Czechoslovakia threatened the security of Europe and the world in 1938.)
Vote:June 3rd, 2005 at 11:01 am
Tony – If you have any problems with why some people are sick and tired of racist pricks like you read your own comments on this thread.
Do you know my mum?
People can defend Israel as much as they like but when any opposition to YOUR fairy tale
( correct or not ) is brought forth you attack them as holocuast loving Jew haters. Nothing could be further from the truth in my case. However as you have got into it lets go.
The Holocuast was a horrible horrible thing. My father is Danish. He lost his Mother, Father and three sisters in WW2 to the same German people that set the Holocuast in motion. So to some degree I may have some of the same emotions towards it as you seem to. However I would realise that there have been many many holocuasts since then and they are just as validated as your one. Rawanda is the perfect example. Just ten years ago 700,000 killed in six weeks.
Its not people that defend Israel that should piss off somewhere else and with that comment you have proved me right again. Its your sensitivity that is the problem here. Its got nothing to do with Israel. Its got to do with idiots like you who think they have the moral high ground and will not budge. Thats exactly how wars are started. You remind me of the christian fundies that populate various sites around the place. No I’m right and thats all there is to it.
I can’t see any where in my previous comments that I have said that Jews and Israel are the cause of their own problems. Of course if they are all like you then maybe theres something to that.Like the christian fundies you like to put words in people’s mouths so you can write them off in a nice little box that conforms to your stilted view of the world.
As YOU have now revealed your true colors I will not enter into any more correspondence with you.
Anyway I’m off to the country club for the weekend. No silly little people there.
Allah protect us.
Vote:June 3rd, 2005 at 8:20 pm
TheProphet.
“If you insist on maintaining a seperate ethnic identity for yourself then you can not moan if you get hassled for it.” Your words – I didn’t put them into your mouth. But according to you, people who are too sensitive should f**k off out of NZ. You may want to consider taking your own advice.
Your family’s loss is tragic – and I’m hoping that you’ll understand that no-one should ever say they deserved it – or that they should have changed their identity to prevent being “hassled”. Or that you shouldn’t maintain roots in New Zealand with the Danish culture.
Rwanda is also tragic – and the UN should be (at the least) ashamed for its inaction whilst thousands were slaughtered.
Enjoy your “country club” – perhaps the brain can pick up where the mouth left off.
Vote:June 14th, 2005 at 4:19 pm
The main problem here is not the fact that the people are racist – that is indoubtably the obvious fact. And people, regardless who they are – are always racist. I personally agree with the comment made earlier about Israel being a racist state, but then again, name ONE country from the Middle-East which isnt?
The so called “New Zealand National Socialist Party” has basicly nothing to do with the fundamentals of the NSDAP organisation from which our delightful friend – or fiend, Herr Adolf Hitler came notoriously from… Their fundimentals are this: Anti-Sematic and Anti-Coloured Folk. Other than that there is serveral errors in their pathetic, yet still mildly amusing, attempt at recreating the Mighty Third Reich (yes although its hard to tell i am being minorly sarcastic here)
For example, on something like a historical note, the original National Socialist Party, of the Third Reich, state several – rather heavy – contradictions to their “rules” and what not.
For example:
“7. Above all, you should avoid excessive consumption of alcohol at a time whn directly involved with or directly before any NZNSP duties. Failure to adhere to this code of conduct may tarnish the reputation of our Movement.”
Here i will make a point in saying: The original Nazi Party was founded in a Beer hall. For those, of lesser education: A big ass pub bro.
And there, on their home page, a tribute to Herr Rudolf Hess…. Now a little note here, his famed “peace mission” and “murder at the hands of the british in 1987″ well now, where do i start? Hess was, a certified lunatic.
Hitler sent him on this peace mission? Well several eye witnesses, including Herr Admiral Speer, were present, and reported later that when hitler found out that he had jumped into Scotland, and was now in the hands of the british hands, he threw himself apon the floor and started biting the carpet and hurling abuse at Hess. In short people, Hess was a lunatic. And Spandau prison: operated jointly by: Russians, Yankees, and British.
I could ramble on for hours, but i have just done a night shift and cant really be bothered repeating history for you.
In short: The organisation is infact, scarely enough, a actual group of rednecks.
Secondly: it is infact, heavily illegal: if not on the grounds of their views, but on the grounds that they wear uniforms. Under the Anti-Facist Laws introduced in England in 1939 (which, needless to say, was taken up by her commonwealth) strictly forbids, ANY POLITCAL PARTY UNIFORMS.
Thirdy: its highly insulting to obviously a large amount of people, not only our aformentioned Jews (Chosen People, Juden, Jews etc etc etc) Maori, or what ever – but the German people, veterans, both their patriotic Kiwi kind, but all of the allies, and, believe it or not, veterans of Germany’s Whermacht and other armed forces.
And Last, but not least: There is a time and a place for a politcal reform, generally not before elections
Let history lie, and RIP all our hereos, living and dead, be-it Jew, British, Yankee, Maori, or German.
Vote:June 14th, 2005 at 4:21 pm
The main problem here is not the fact that the people are racist – that is indoubtably the obvious fact. And people, regardless who they are – are always racist. I personally agree with the comment made earlier about Israel being a racist state, but then again, name ONE country from the Middle-East which isnt?
The so called “New Zealand National Socialist Party” has basicly nothing to do with the fundamentals of the NSDAP organisation from which our delightful friend – or fiend, Herr Adolf Hitler came notoriously from… Their fundimentals are this: Anti-Sematic and Anti-Coloured Folk. Other than that there is serveral errors in their pathetic, yet still mildly amusing, attempt at recreating the Mighty Third Reich (yes although its hard to tell i am being minorly sarcastic here)
For example, on something like a historical note, the original National Socialist Party, of the Third Reich, state several – rather heavy – contradictions to their “rules” and what not.
For example:
“7. Above all, you should avoid excessive consumption of alcohol at a time whn directly involved with or directly before any NZNSP duties. Failure to adhere to this code of conduct may tarnish the reputation of our Movement.”
Here i will make a point in saying: The original Nazi Party was founded in a Beer hall. For those, of lesser education: A big ass pub bro.
And there, on their home page, a tribute to Herr Rudolf Hess…. Now a little note here, his famed “peace mission” and “murder at the hands of the british in 1987″ well now, where do i start? Hess was, a certified lunatic.
Hitler sent him on this peace mission? Well several eye witnesses, including Herr Admiral Speer, were present, and reported later that when hitler found out that he had jumped into Scotland, and was now in the hands of the british hands, he threw himself apon the floor and started biting the carpet and hurling abuse at Hess. In short people, Hess was a lunatic. And Spandau prison: operated jointly by: Russians, Yankees, and British.
I could ramble on for hours, but i have just done a night shift and cant really be bothered repeating history for you.
In short: The organisation is infact, scarely enough, a actual group of rednecks.
Secondly: it is infact, heavily illegal: if not on the grounds of their views, but on the grounds that they wear uniforms. Under the Anti-Facist Laws introduced in England in 1939 (which, needless to say, was taken up by her commonwealth) strictly forbids, ANY POLITCAL PARTY UNIFORMS.
Thirdy: its highly insulting to obviously a large amount of people, not only our aformentioned Jews (Chosen People, Juden, Jews etc etc etc) Maori, or what ever – but the German people, veterans, both their patriotic Kiwi kind, but all of the allies, and, believe it or not, veterans of Germany’s Whermacht and other armed forces.
And Last, but not least: There is a time and a place for a politcal reform, generally not before elections
Let history lie, and RIP all our hereos, living and dead, be-it Jew, British, Yankee, Maori, or German.
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