Tactical Voting
August 30th, 2005 at 7:52 am by David FarrarChe Tibby has a message for Labour supporters in Tauranga. To use her own words “give your candidate to the blue team, and your party vote to the red team”.
Her rationale “it’s bye bye Whinny while helping the commies get back into power”
She also notes “I hear from people back home that Clarkson is a top bloke. One who might actually do something for his electorate.”
I think it is highly likely NZ First will make 5% and be in Parliament. However if Peters lost Tauranga then they would have no safety net. And that would then give a huge incentive to actually behave responsibly and not hold the country to ransom if he does hold the balance of power. This is very much in New Zealand’s interest regardless of whether it is a National or Labour led Government.
UPDATE: Che is actually male. Read her as him.
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August 30th, 2005 at 8:02 am
Bob Clarkson will have to get a massive swing to take Tauranga off Winston. I frankly doubt it, but Bob is keeping a lot of pressure on Winston who has to keep tending to Tauranga instead of campaigning around the country. I trust National is giving Bob a pretty free hand in Tauranga for exactly this reason. Bob only has to do one thing in politics and that is to keep Winston out of Tauranga.
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 8:26 am
I’m pretty sure Che is a man…
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 8:29 am
They really should have photos!!
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 8:34 am
A massive swing indeed – but Tauranga has swung before and Clarkson is a well respected local entity so I would suggest that Winston losing should go into the possible but not yet likely category. Although the more Labour voters who grit their teeth and vote for Clarkson as their local candidate and their choice of govt with their party vote the more likely Winston is goneburger. The closer Clarkson gets the more likely this is to happen one would think.
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 9:02 am
yup. man.
good on you david.
heard of che guevara have you?
i’m not quite as hairy or communist.
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 9:05 am
Tauranga in play part 3?
The media are continuing to run the story that Tauranga could be in play this election.
Claire Harvey of the NZ Herald is running a story on the contrasting styles of the two candidates in Tauranga – the bold, brash and in-your-face Winston Peters…
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 9:23 am
This will make Winstons Grey Brigade fight even harder.
Vote:Clarkson is just doing his apprenticeship at the moment. If he can make a showing he will be in a good list position next election.
August 30th, 2005 at 9:28 am
Che, have you ever met Fidel Castro or are you just a close friend of Russell?
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 9:29 am
Tim:
You mean a massive swing like in ’99 – where Katherine O’Reagan cut his 10,000 majority to 67? I know a few Labour supporters in Tauranga who said they’d have split their votes if they’d known it was going to be that close, and I’m sure it’s not one of Margaret Wilson’s prouder moments that by splitting the anti-Winston vote enough for him to come up the middle, she ensured NZ First’s survival.
With 4.23% of the party vote, NZ First would have been goneburger if O’Reagan had won. IMO, the quality of politics in this country would have been vastly improved – if nowhere near as entertaining.
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 9:33 am
wildebeest.
named by my parents.
but thanks for asking.
you might like to note that PA doesn’t use pseudynoms.
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 9:41 am
Che – nor does PA allow for comments.
Btw I don’t always agree with Club Politique but always read it.
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 9:49 am
thanks for reading.
i do the same to the RWDB.
feel free to send an email with your real name attached if you do disagree.
your comments will be duly noted by the peoples commentariat committee.
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 10:00 am
Labour are running the same sort of line in Epsom – encouraging their people to vote for Richard Worth rather than the local Labour candidate to kill off ACT once and for all…
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 10:06 am
Toothing their Nash, are they?
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 10:09 am
The absence of comments on PA does, I think, weaken the left.
This blog has become the meeting place for elements of the centre right and provides a useful sounding board for ideas and arguments. There’s no equivalent on the left – in fact many lefties decide to come here to be heard.
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 10:22 am
Scott…Your correct on that one, if Worth dosen’t pull the plug. Labour will do what Rodney Hide is suggesting…I could imagine them saying. If Hide wins you will get 5 or more Rightwing hungry MP’s! Vote Worth & get only one 1 centre right camel jockey , who is totally useless, and no threat to Labour.
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 10:27 am
i think you’re voluntarily ignoring sites like, No Right Turn, Just Left, or Span, for starters.
but thanks anyway.
i’m sure that RB has made it clear in the past that a comments function would be too difficult to police.
but as i say, feel free to send anyone on the site an email.
why, Craig Ranapia emailed me just the other day. and i replied.
it was fun.
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 11:24 am
“a useful sounding board for ideas and arguments” – who are you kidding.
Actually, perhaps you are right – it certainly isn’t a sounding board for useful ideas and arguments though.
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 11:39 am
Now to organise exactly the same in Wigram to get rid of another piece of useless rubbish. In fact the case is far stronger, Jim Boy represents nothing at a national level at all, he can’t even get past 0.5% at the polls, and is Labour for all intents and purposes.
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 11:48 am
Ed:
I won’t be surprised to see Jim go this election.
We’re in Wigram, and in the past Jim has got my electorate vote. I disagree strongly with his party politics, but I base my electorate decision on personal representation only and in the past Jim has been a good MP when we’ve approached him with issues that needed addressing.
However, this last term he’s done 2/10ths of 1/4 of sod all. I saw him campaigning last election and he was just going through the motions. He’s done his dash and it’s time for him to step down.
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 12:37 pm
Che Guevara was a woman? Who would have thought that!!
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 1:29 pm
Che: given that I have some right-wing troll suggesting that people engage in corrupt electoral practices in my comments ATM, I suspect Russell is right.
Vote:August 30th, 2005 at 1:45 pm
sorry idiot/savant… i’m a bit huffy with you.
you never reply to my emails.
is it because you can’t see your name in print?
Vote:August 31st, 2005 at 2:11 am
Getting rid of act and nzfirst in one foul swoop? Who the hell does national plan to go into coalition with?
Vote:August 31st, 2005 at 8:57 am
Stef, the’yre gonna get 51% of the vote. Have you forgotten that?
Vote:August 31st, 2005 at 9:20 am
stef & Gooner:
I don’t know how many times I have to repeat the retina-searing, eyeball-popping blindingly obvious, but I’ll do it one more time.
If ACT and NZ First aren’t in the next Parliament, it’s going to be because those tiresome registered electors didn’t give them 5% of their party votes, and/or an electorate seat.
It is not the National Party’s responsibility to campaign for ACT or NZFirst if they can’t get their shit together. Full stop.
Vote:August 31st, 2005 at 9:34 am
I agree Craig. I never said it was the Gnats’ responsibliity and don’t want/expect hand-outs from the Gnats. However, we do have MMP which requires (demands?) cooperation and collaberation and hence my, and I sense your, dilemma. The time to talk has long since gone. My belief always has been, and always will be, that campaigns need to be run slightly differently under MMP because of this. As I say, it is too late now. But it wasn’t too late 12 months ago when ACT tried for six months to get the Gnats round a table to figure out a strategy for winning this election. Don’t blame ACT because the Gnats might not be able to form a government on Sep. 18. That conclusion seemed inevitable 12 months ago.
Vote:August 31st, 2005 at 10:07 am
Craig and Gooner, you can both stop arguing now.
Vote:It only helps Labour.
According to Act on Campus today, Rodney is in the lead in Epsom
August 31st, 2005 at 10:48 am
Ok Darren, we’ll kiss and make up.
The centre-right needs to unite, not fight.
Vote:August 31st, 2005 at 12:23 pm
That’s good.
Vote:On reflection it seems to me that National played a high risk strategy that has worked.
First, they could not be seen to get too friendly with ACT in case it frightened the centre.
We have seen how the left and the media has worked itself into a lather over leaked emails.
That is why National could not publicly or overtly stand aside in Epsom.
But by placing Worth so high in the list, they did so in more of a hidden way, something which was picked up by Rodney and other intelligent righties.
It did mean that ACT has had to campaign its arse off, which obviously it has done, to get Rodney back.
Thus National set ACT a challenge, which judging by today’s poll, it has met.
Now the challenge is to keep Rodney in front, in case Labour voters in Epsom decide to keep out ACT (from parliament) by voting for Worth.
Thus, even more National voters will have to vote for Rodney to try and keep out Labour (from government).
National now needs to realise that ACT is a great asset to it, worthy of several palces in government.
And ACT needs to realise why (I think) National behaved how it did (not to frighten the horses).
ACT passed the test.
Group hugs all round!!
August 31st, 2005 at 12:25 pm
That’s good.
Vote:On reflection it seems to me that National played a high risk strategy that has worked.
First, they could not be seen to get too friendly with ACT in case it frightened the centre.
We have seen how the left and the media has worked itself into a lather over leaked emails.
That is why National could not publicly or overtly stand aside in Epsom.
But by placing Worth so high in the list, they did so in more of a hidden way, something which was picked up by Rodney and other intelligent righties.
It did mean that ACT has had to campaign its arse off, which obviously it has done, to get Rodney back.
Thus National set ACT a challenge, which judging by today’s poll, it has met.
Now the challenge is to keep Rodney in front, in case Labour voters in Epsom decide to keep out ACT (from parliament) by voting for Worth.
Thus, even more National voters will have to vote for Rodney to try and keep out Labour (from government).
National now needs to realise that ACT is a great asset to it, worthy of several palces in government.
And ACT needs to realise why (I think) National behaved how it did (not to frighten the horses).
ACT passed the test.
Group hugs all round!!