E9 results already online
October 13th, 2005 at 10:56 am by David FarrarThe Chief Electoral Office has done very well, and already has the E9 results of the election online. You used to have to wait months for these.
The polling place info will be of most interest to candidates and MPs. The split vote statistics are not up yet though.
They do have the turnout statistics though. Top was Wellington Central on 86.58% followed by Banks Peninsula on 86.07%. Bottom was Tamaki Makaurau on 65.74%.
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October 13th, 2005 at 12:31 pm
Wellington Central also topped the special vote count. Is the separation of overseas vote ever provided?
Vote:October 13th, 2005 at 2:18 pm
The stats that I find revealing is the vote in the Maori electrates viz general 82.01% voted with .41% informal against Maori 67.07% voted with 1.29% informal.
Vote:Would have thought with all the issues around that these percentages would be closer or is it that we are making them out to be more than they are.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:14 pm
With the votes per polling place online , why the heck can the TV channels do an election night results based on each polling place. This would give the nationwide swing from the the previous election as the present system relies on smaller booths which favour national and thus give a misleading result.
Vote:The results could be expressed as : with votes from 200 polling places in the vote compared to last time is labour…..
October 13th, 2005 at 7:44 pm
No candidate got a majority of enrolled voters in their electorate.
Vote:October 13th, 2005 at 7:56 pm
So David your electorate beat mine (Banks Peninsula) for turnout this time. It kicked our butt for Green party votes too, number 1 in the country! I thought my Banks Peninsula had a heck of a lot, we’ve got Rod Donald here.
Vote:October 13th, 2005 at 9:14 pm
The frightening figure that every centre-right voter should be terrifed of is the very low turnout of the three South Auckland electorates and the Maori electorates.
Remember election night? National were ahead until 11:30pm and then these three electorates’ results were posted. Then Helen Clark emerged from her Mt Albert house with a smile on her face.
The simple fact is National went all out this election and could not have done a better job campaign wise. If Labour simply got its buses out and picked up its voters and took them to the polling booths they will never lose power.
Back to the drawing board, National!
Vote:October 13th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
GMM, you have sparked something. Lots & lots & lots of disallowed special votes in those electorates. A lot more than any other electorate. I wonder why?
Vote:October 13th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
Gooner: if you have a point, make it; don’t allude to it otherwise you leave it open for speculation as to your true meaning? What do you mean to imply?
Vote:October 13th, 2005 at 9:56 pm
Paul and Gooner,
It is a well known fact that Labour do have a very active voter enrollment program in those electorates. They have stalls at the markets and even door-knocking teams.
It is a harsh fact that Labour knows all too well that all they need is to get Polynesians to vote and not worry about whether or not they are eligible or not. That is the Electoral Commission’s problem. The Electoral Commission are so overworked that they don’t have the resources to double check. The man who enrolled his dog in Otago is a classic example. Labour doesn’t care, it’s not their problem.
Vote:October 14th, 2005 at 8:33 am
Gmm – you are exactly right it is back to the drawing board, I myself am waying up weather to take my fairly large capital gains on property and redistribute it in Australia, or my wife to give up her job and take FULL advantage of the free money being thrown out to students, I will at least be totally honest. I have no intention of paying it back. If what you are saying is correct the Polynesian vote is far more valuable to both the major parties than the Maori vote. Boy that’s going to hurt!
Vote:One other thing, There is no way that National would have offered the carrot to TMP of the reputation of the FS legislation or Maori seats as this would have been the death of the party, sorry nice try guy’s, as Turia said if she went against the wishes of the constituents that would be the death of the party, same goes for National. Frau Clark is about to learn something that National learned, give away the kitchen sink just to keep your name on the door, and it will come back to bite you.
October 14th, 2005 at 8:42 am
Stephen: John Key for one got an absolute majority.
Vote:October 14th, 2005 at 10:33 am
GMM, the questions I would like answered are these –
Vote:1 – When did WINZ become an electoral lobier for the Labour party? Or has this always been so.
2 – how many people ferried to the ballot box felt intimidated or thought their residence was in jeopardy if they didn’t partake. within 2 km of my residence I had the option of 2 polling booths (rural), surely in south Auckland this would have been even better?
Why was there a need to ferry people to and fro unless you were trying to control the direction of their vote. If you answer this in the vein I think you will this also means in future we won’t have to worry about special votes as the voters will be flown from where ever they are on election day back to their electorates. Sour grapes, I am a patient person and I look forward not only to the introduction of John Key but the raft of new blood bought in to the National ranks. It will be interesting for Mehary when he takes over mid term (if a labour coalition last that long) cause the cupboard ain’t looking that flash in the Labour ranks.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:02 pm
Culma, you raise several points I will address separately.
1 – I don’t know whether WINZ do lobby for the Labour Party. I haven’t visited a WINZ office since I applied for a Community Services Card when I was a student years ago. It will be interesting to know whether there were Electoral Commission stands at WINZ like there were at Post Shops.
2 – The point about the enrolment campaigns and busing of voters to booths on election day by Laboour is simple. Safe Labour seats do have the lowest voter turnout – partly due to apathy and partly due to the enrollment campaign being better organised than the buses on election day. A major factor for the increased number of Maori seats after the introduction of MMP was due to the most vigorous door-knocking petition in New Zealand’s political history. Since then the Maori seats have consistently had the lowest turnout of any of the seats.
3 – If you wonder how I know so much about Labour’s enrollment and election day activities, I have seen it for myself and I have a friend who once co-ordinated for the Labour Party.
4 – Finally, the majority of my wealth is offshore. I am also a non-resident for tax purposes. New Zealand’s capital markets are a complete joke and run by a bunch of pimply ‘pump and dump’ fund managers. New Zealand taxpayers also don’t get value for money so my money is sitting in an offshore tax haven.
Considering you have posted two comments directed at me, it seems that I have struck a nerve. Please explain more succinctly what your beef is.
Vote:October 14th, 2005 at 1:40 pm
GMM/culma; it’s pretty obvious that neither of you have been involved in a campaign as both parties have systems for encouraging people to enrol to vote and checking that known supporters have voted. I’d be surprised if Labour’s systems are more sophisticated than anyone elses.
GMM: you argue that Labour encourages ineligible voters to vote; what evidence do you have for this ’cause it sounds like just another conspiracy theory (often floated by a disappointed National supporters) and is a classic example of dog whistle politics (as can be seen by some of the responses it illicited).
culma: you really are quite imaginative aren’t you?
Vote:October 14th, 2005 at 2:52 pm
Paul W,
I have been involved in several high profile campaigns over the years. I do know that National and Labour run very well organised systems designed to ensure eligible voters do enroll, have the ability to go to a polling booth and in fact vote.
Labour do encourage ineligible voters to enroll as the people they door-knock do not know themselves whether they are eligible to vote or not. In some cases the people they door knock do not know whether they are allowed to be in the country or not.
Drop into an electorate office some day and see what I mean. Most of the cases Auckland electorate MPs deal with involve immigration. Terms like ‘residency’, ‘visa’ and ‘citizenship’ are difficult terms for most people to figure out.
Ask a foreign student what they can and can not do and most will be unable to tell you. When can a foreign student apply for a student loan, student allowance or vote?
It isn’t a matter of conspiracy theory but practical reality. Labour are, unwittingly or intentionally, being advantaged by the weaknesses in the system by offering enrollment forms to people that are unlikely to be eligible to vote but who in fact find themselves on the roll.
Vote:October 14th, 2005 at 2:54 pm
Paul W,
I have been involved in several high profile campaigns over the years at various levels. I do know that National and Labour run very well organised systems designed to ensure eligible voters do enroll, have the ability to go to a polling booth and in fact vote.
Labour do encourage ineligible voters to enroll as the people they door-knock do not know themselves whether they are eligible to vote or not. In some cases the people they door knock do not know whether they are allowed to be in the country or not.
Drop into an electorate office some day and see what I mean. Most of the cases Auckland electorate MPs deal with involve immigration. Terms like ‘residency’, ‘visa’ and ‘citizenship’ are difficult terms for most people to figure out.
Ask a foreign student what they can and can not do and most will be unable to tell you. When can a foreign student apply for a student loan, student allowance or vote?
It isn’t a matter of conspiracy theory but practical reality. Labour are, unwittingly or intentionally, being advantaged by the weaknesses in the system by offering enrollment forms to people that are unlikely to be eligible to vote but who in fact find themselves on the roll.
Vote:October 14th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
Paul W,
I have been involved in several high profile campaigns over the years at various levels. I do know that National and Labour run very well organised systems designed to ensure eligible voters do enroll, have the ability to go to a polling booth and in fact vote.
Labour do encourage ineligible voters to enroll as the people they door-knock do not know themselves whether they are eligible to vote or not. In some cases the people they door knock do not know whether they are allowed to be in the country or not.
Drop into an electorate office some day and see what I mean. Most of the cases Auckland electorate MPs deal with involve immigration. Terms like ‘residency’, ‘visa’ and ‘citizenship’ are difficult terms for most people to figure out.
Ask a foreign student what they can and can not do and most will be unable to tell you. When can a foreign student apply for a student loan, student allowance or vote? Can a Samoan visit their family and then decide to stay for good because there are no dawn raids anymore?
It isn’t a matter of conspiracy theory but practical reality. Labour are, unwittingly or intentionally, being advantaged by the weaknesses in the system by offering enrollment forms to people that are unlikely to be eligible to vote but who in fact find themselves on the roll.
Vote:October 14th, 2005 at 3:01 pm
Whoops, sorry about that. David, can you please delete the first two entries? Cheers.
Vote:October 14th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
GMM: As have I and particularly for Labour so I feel in a somewhat better position to comment than your “friend” who told you…
All parties door knock – we run into each other all the time, therefore both parties are guilty of the same thing, whatever it is, surely? Or is your argument that migrants and low socio economic people vote Labour and are ignorant and/or illiterate (considering the electoral office produce guides in most languages)?
Your argument is based on assumptions and leaps of logic.
I’ve done lots of canvassing for Labour in the past and in areas with high numbers of migrants and low SES (electorates that have elected MPs from across the political spectrum too I should add) and I think you are wrong to say that Labour doesn’t care about eligibilty – to not care is to waste your time – most recently I was involved in encouraging overseas voters to enrol/vote and eligibility was the major concern.
Vote:October 14th, 2005 at 3:17 pm
Paul w – the W doesn’t stand for Wilson does it? imaginative why? intrigued.
Vote:1- the comment about WINZ is in relation to the explanation of the Labour Party Pres on election night. Re south Auckland.
2 – the busing of people on election day brings into question the integrity of those under taking the action, the same goes for those that are of special needs (a group that is very easily swayed by suggestion) and I have witnessed that for myself. I am asking whether any information, names of state house tenants was forwarded from WINZ to the labour party, identifying individuals and families in specific electorates. A comment made by the Labour party pres on election night brings me to ask the question.
GMM – no nerves hit here.
Paul w – PS, I am not one of those people that sits back and says quietly afterwards I told you so. In fact I am a complete prick if someone deserves a shit burger I will supply them with it, and force feed it to em as well, may sound a little crass but what the hey! I look forward to the up coming months and will prepare the Burger.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:32 pm
culma: nope “W” for Williams, not Wilson. Who is Paul Wilson anyway?
Mike Williams comments are only partly relevant to the issue we’re discussing and I don’t believe he’s said anything that could be misconstrued as meaning the WINZ works for Labour. Williams knows from the E9 which electorates have strong Labour party votes – that’s all there is too it and it was GMM’s point earlier (one agree with, that National has a lot of work to do in the major urban centres where Labour’s party vote is very strong).
Are you really suggesting WINZ provided information to Labour? How incredibly odd, though precisely why I made the comment about your imagination. If you really believe it, and aren’t just attempting to generate meaningless speculation, lay a complaint.
Vote:October 14th, 2005 at 4:44 pm
Paul w – Incredibly odd, why?, as I said from his comments on election night. Are the lists of state house tenants names available from WINZ directly to all political parties, and has that information ever been transferred. My interpretation of his comments on election night led me to believe this! Hard work behind the scenes my ass. You are right and it does warrant further investigation. I was polled by phone as to the direction I would be voting, unsure as to the validity of the enquiry, rang a close friend involved with my local MP, and was informed that the enquiry was valid and random polling was being targeted by the local electorate office. If as Mr Williams specified on election night the polling was not random but specific, then this indicates that the pollsters were in fact working from lists, where and who supplied these. Valid questions I think, looking at the dealings of the local Mangare MP, integrity in this area is quite sadly lacking.
Vote:The Williams/Wilson not relevant, take to long to explain.