It’s tought being a Marxist
December 31st, 2005 at 10:04 am by David FarrarTrevor Loudon should apply for some grant from the Govt for his stellar work in documenting the NZ Communist movement over the decades, and what all these fine supporters of Stalin and Mao are doing today.
His latest is on the Undergraduate Education Dean of Canterbury University.
Back in 1990, just a few months before the USSR dissolved, Mr Freeman-Moir wrote how “As a university teacher I have found it increasingly difficult to argue the case for socialism and the transition to communism”.
Even worst he found his students found the idea of socialiam and communism as funny and outdated. True children of the 1980s 
I find it interesting that he sees his job as to convert students to socialism and communism. Silly me thought it was to teach. But hey I only pay the salary.
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December 31st, 2005 at 10:47 am
Its going to be even harder to be a marxis soon.
The council of europe (pace) has prepared a draft resoulution condemning communism and comparing it and its ideolgy to that of Nazism.Denial will be the equivalence of holocaust denial.
Some of the more interesting parts are….
…Therefore, the Parliamentary Assembly strongly condemns the massive human rights violations committed by the totalitarian communist regimes and expresses sympathy, understaning and recognition to the victims of crimes.
13. Furthermore, it calls on all communist or post-communist parties in its member states which have not so far done so, to reassess the history of communism and their own past, clearly distance themselves from the crimes committed by totalitarian communist regimes and condemn them without any ambiguity.
14. The Assembly believes that this clear position of the international community will pave the way to further reconciliation. Furthermore, it will hopefully encourage historians throughout the world to continue their research aimed at the determination and objective verification of what took place.
….b. to revise national legislation with a view to making it comply fully with Committee of Ministers
Vote:December 31st, 2005 at 5:03 pm
Rewi Alley paedophile ?. Oh Really Trevor , its one thing using the files of the Security Police as your inside source ( being careful to link with some other open source, but who else would bother with the mindless trivia of who met with whom )
Anne Marie Brady, who supposedly outed Alley in her 2002 book(http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/alley-postscript.html#johnf) should haved tried for original sources( isnt that what scholarship is really about, the rest is journalism)
As John F Johnson said..
Of the Europeans who were in Shantan in the 1940s I am one of the last still living. I support Geoff Chapple (Books, March 1). In my mind, there is practically no evidence to support Brady’s theories.
Loudan praises ACT to the hilt but ignores the true Communist in one of its MPs Kenneth Wang, you know the one, the grandfather who was a PLA general before the revolution, the father who was a doctor to the inner circle elite in Biejing leading to ‘Red’ Ken himself, very short term ACT MP.
Vote:December 31st, 2005 at 5:25 pm
David, how can you agree
Vote:December 31st, 2005 at 6:45 pm
Indeed, the only thing sadder than being a contemporary marxist seems to be someone who monitors and reports on contemporary marxists. What a waste of time.
Vote:December 31st, 2005 at 6:57 pm
maurice, it was his father and grandfather, not Kenneth Wang that were communists.
Vote:December 31st, 2005 at 7:00 pm
nzpolitics 1996
Now *there’s* a name I haven’t heard in a while … Trevor Loudon, one-time ZAP (Zenith Applied Philosophy, these days known as Zenith Applied Science, – originally an off-shoot of Scientology) afficionado, and involved with
the anti-Lada campaign, and the mercifully short-lived ‘Sunday Miracle’ newspaper I use the term advisedly). I’m not in the least surprised to
hear that he’s crawled out of the woodwork and under the wing of another rabid Ayn Rand fan.
It was a cross between $cientology and Objectivism, wasn’t it? Like Neo-tech?
Ah, the Campaign for a Soviet-Free New Zealand, famous for describing glasnost as a hoax (SURE HAD ME FOOLED, TREV!) Last heard of reluctantly
The difference might not be obvious to some, but
expressing satisfaction when the USSR split up, with the proviso that they didn’t trust Yeltsin (who does?). According to one of his mad articles, in which he blamed all Maori nationalism on a Maoist conspiracy (does he have
any idea how many Maoists there are in this country? NOT FUCKING MANY!), he’s switched from “right-wing conservatism to right-wing libertarianism”, which is an improvement, I suppose. He’s a Randroid instead of a fascist
now, and at least Randroids don’t want to shoot you. They just want to TAKE OVER YOUR BRAIN.
at least Ayn Rand supported the right to strike, which is more than ZAP did.
What really puzzles me was that Trevor campaigned against the Homosexual Law Reform Bill. How does he reconciles his beliefs with the orientation of Lindsay Perigo?
Anyone remember him when he was the head of Campaign for a Soviet-Free New Zealand, and got arrested for harrassing people who drove Ladas? I’d personally think that anyone who drives a Lada will have more than enough hassles.
What was really funny about the whole affair was that when the wall fell, it transpired that they had been targetting the wrong make of car. I remember their propogandra raging about how the USSR was using slave factories to construct ladas whereas it was actually the Czechoslovakian Skodas (as in the crimpelene suits and skoda brigade to which most of these nutters probably were members of) that were constucted using prison labour.
WHAT A LOSER!
Vote:December 31st, 2005 at 7:22 pm
Dim, the only thing sadder than someone who monitors and reports on contemporary Marxists is someone who monitors and reports on DEAD Marxists. Both Rona Bailey and Tom Poata died recently and had large, public funerals.
Vote:December 31st, 2005 at 8:36 pm
Tenacious Trevor was exposing the insidious effect these openly Communists like Rona Bailey were having on the NZ way of life
“Back in NZ, Rona Bailey became active in the campaign for equal pay for women.”
Who New ?. As always Trev sees a downside:
“The communists found it easy to gain support for this campaign. ”
And later without any touch of irony Trev writes:
“The Bailey’s hid a “Gestetner” in their flat and it was discovered during a police raid. They were fined 14 Pounds, a large sum of money in 1951, for possessing an unregistered printing machine.”
An unregistered printing machine!. Is there no lengths theses insidious people will go to!
That’s why Trev calls himself an Libertarian NOW. Joke is more like it , but there is more, Rona unlike Trev, wasn
Vote:December 31st, 2005 at 8:41 pm
Dim – how “sad” is the archivist then!!! ie. someone who monitors and reports on someone who monitors and reports on dead marxists. That’s probably worse than sad, that’s creepy (Trevor Loudon has a stalker!).
Vote:December 31st, 2005 at 8:49 pm
Trev isnt a stalker, he just hangs around young ACT diehards half his age because he agrees with their politics!
Vote:December 31st, 2005 at 9:33 pm
XX-XY: I was just showing how easy it is to dig up dirt on Trevor Loudon. How creepy do you think it is for the people he’s monitoring, for their families? This is someone who’s reported to have attacked peoples’ cars because they weren’t politically correct! Does ACT support thuggery?
Maurice: Good work! For the record, both the National and Labour Parties made equal pay one of their platform issues in the 1957 General Election. Labour passed the Government Service Equal Pay Act in 1960 and National the Equal Pay Act in October 1972. I wonder which one Rona Bailey had infiltrated !!
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 3:05 am
Good god. So somebody makes an effort writing and researching about people in NZ who advocated violent and bloody revolution and you guys just sit back and attack the man, not the arguement?
Sad guys, really sad. Pathetic really.
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 8:04 am
Loudon is a rather strange character at times. Sometimes reasonable sometimes rabid. He says he’ll work with anyone moving in a more liberal direction then links to the Locke (the three of us are a) Foundation which contradicts that.
He links selectively. Certainly on some issues the Greens are proliberty (and on many they are not) but he doesn’t linik to them. On a small number of issues the rabid religious right is proliberty but very few and very far between. Yet he links to them. He’s not a Randroid, I assure you. No real Objectivist would have anything to do with the Religous Right but there are few real Objectivists in New Zealand just a few self proclaimed messiahs of liberty. Right!
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 8:38 am
Don’t knock Marxism as an analytical train of thought. Marxist approaches to regime transistion (such as Gramsci’s analysis of the rise of fascism) makes for interesting and compelling reading for those who study regime transitions.
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 9:34 am
I
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 9:40 am
Here
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 9:43 am
W.M – so Trevor Loudain “links selectively” !!!!
So what? Can you think of anybody who doesn”t? If you are trying to criticize somebody, and that’s the best you can come up with…it’s time to hang up your keyboard. This thread has got a bit of a witch-hunt/Cronulla beach crowd whiff about it – some harmless old duffer let’s off steam (potters away then anounces his “expose”) and you all kick him till his ears bleed.
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 10:06 am
But……
The subject at the centre of this furore – the teacher, and supporter of the University Teachers’ Union remains as he was yesterday, and for many yesterdays before – a communist?
And displays attitudes which indicate a desire to actively influence his students in a similar direction?
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 10:18 am
Oops, I posted the wrong link. This is the 1933 pamphlet I meant:
What is National Socialism?
http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1930-ger/330610.htm
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 10:28 am
Dave1943: Do you have any objection to Stuart Birks using his academic post at Massey to promote an extreme men’s rights perspective?
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 10:37 am
Normally I wouldn’t reply to posts like that by “archivist”, but as it contains factual errors, at least one of which is defamatory, I have to set the record straight lest they be accepted as true.
Firstly “What really puzzles me was that Trevor campaigned against the Homosexual Law Reform Bill. How does he reconciles his beliefs with the orientation of Lindsay Perigo?”
This is 100% untrue. I never campaigned against that Bill and was indeed very happy to see it go through.
Secondly “Anyone remember him when he was the head of Campaign for a Soviet-Free New Zealand, and got arrested for harrassing people who drove Ladas?”
Again 100% untrue. I have never been arrested, questioned or talked to by police for any such offence or incident. If “archivist” can prove his or her assertion I will donate $5,000 to the charity of his or her choice.
Unlike you “archivist”, I put my name to my work. I criticise live people who can fight back. Keith Locke, Jeanette Fitzsimons, Matt McCarten, John Freeman-Moir are recent examples on my blog.
You’ve made two completely untrue accusations in your post. I’m willing to accept they may have been innocent mistakes, rather than malicious lies.
Either way “archivist” your credibility is shot. I do however expect you to have the guts and decency to unreservedly apologise for your untruths
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 11:02 am
I don
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 11:06 am
Scientology. Trevor,have you been or are you one of its adherents or members or followers or beleivers?.Yes or no.Simple really.
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 11:27 am
No
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 11:44 am
Excellent,I suspect we will HAVE to take you a little more seriously now.
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 12:28 pm
archivist – claims no credibility, makes up “facts” (now making no claim they were true) to illustrate how easy it is to “find embarassing things about people…”
The only thing you’ve proven is that your comments are a complete waste of space and time. Please warn us BEFORE your comment next time.
Vote:January 1st, 2006 at 1:07 pm
I didn’t make anything up. I sourced the snippets from the nzpolitics usenet group, where I found them by searching on “Trevor Loudon”. Took me five minutes, so it was no waste of MY time. I have thoroughly enjoyed seeing Trevor Loudon’s reaction when the boot is on the other foot. Thanks for the entertainment!
Vote:January 2nd, 2006 at 2:13 am
But Trevours claims are true….are they not Archivist? So you have achieved nothing.Loudon 1 Archivist ….dick!
Vote:January 2nd, 2006 at 2:33 am
Whoops! “Trevor” I mean…
Vote:January 2nd, 2006 at 2:48 am
So what we have all learned from here is that Archivist is another person here we can’t trust to tell the truth, and is one to make general sweeping assertions that are baseless.
What was your point again? You risk everybody here going on and making stuff up about you…. but then again we are not bottom feeding lowlife like you seem to be.
Vote:January 2nd, 2006 at 7:26 am
I sourced the snippets from the nzpolitics usenet group . . .
Because the internet never lies.
Vote:January 2nd, 2006 at 11:05 am
At the risk of belabouring the point
Vote:January 2nd, 2006 at 11:18 am
Tervor could apply for the Bruce Jesson Journalism award.IT’ $3,000 to contribute to research in a field of public interest to New Zealand.
Vote:His investigatioins might fit the bill.
January 2nd, 2006 at 3:40 pm
Well, Owen, if dubious sources are part of the criteria, Trev could be in the running for a not very prestigious prize of some sort. He
Vote:January 3rd, 2006 at 11:30 am
You think it is tough being a Maxist? Try being a gay cowboy.
Vote:January 3rd, 2006 at 12:51 pm
Trev
Vote:January 3rd, 2006 at 3:04 pm
Pot stirrer,
Vote:The price of liberty is eternal vigilance
January 3rd, 2006 at 3:46 pm
Indeed. Therefore, those who love liberty should keep an eye on the vigilantes, people who cloak their authoritarian conservatism with libertarian phraseology.
Vote:January 3rd, 2006 at 3:49 pm
What’s the price of neoliberalism? Riches for a few, and dregs for the rest.
Vote:January 3rd, 2006 at 7:43 pm
“What’s the price of neoliberalism? Riches for a few, and dregs for the rest.”
If you mean “Neoliberalism” as in Labour and the Lefts claim to be Liberals while actually being Socialists your point is correct Johnie.If you are trying to say that freemarket capitalists (true Liberals,nothing Neo) are at fault however you are once again distorting facts and history.But whats new? Thats all you have once your lies are shot down…
Vote:January 3rd, 2006 at 8:32 pm
Convoluted reasoning, if you could dignify it with the word, there james…..We all know what neoliberalism is.
Vote:January 4th, 2006 at 2:10 am
I think Trevor Loudon tells porkies. His latest entry on http://www.newzeal.blogspot.com is called A Moscow Shithouse and the “Workers Friend”. It
Vote:January 27th, 2006 at 6:45 pm
Help me here. Late ’70′s I caught buses in Cathedral Square, Christchurch. There was a guy espousing ZAP (Zenith Applied Philosophy)giving out hand-outs to commuters. He was blond(e) and very earnest but simultaneously very off-putting.
Vote:His surname could have been Henderson?