The passion of the Mel
July 30th, 2006 at 9:43 pm by David FarrarEveryone knows Mel Gibson and his film “The Passion of the Christ”. And Mel claimed the film was not anti-semitic and neither was he.
As is often the case, the truth comes out with some alcohol. On Friday Mel Gibson gets pulled over for drink driving and he exclaims:
- Fucking Jews
- The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world
- Are you a Jew? (to the police deputy)
No wonder he produces his own films. All the other hollywood companies are controlled by those “fucking jews”!
Tags: International
July 30th, 2006 at 10:32 pm
It wouldn’t be the first time a Hollywood star has said/done something controversial to get back on the front pages.
But who knows, maybe he’s a Hezbollah sleeper?
Vote:July 30th, 2006 at 10:38 pm
It wouldn’t be the first time a Hollywood star has said/done something controversial to get back on the front pages.
But who knows, maybe he’s a Hezbollah sleeper?
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 1:03 am
Is TMZ a legitimate news site or credible info source? Looks like an ordinary blog, to me.
Vote:This could be a just blog-hit job on Mel. I’ll wait till further confirmation, til I condemn him.
July 31st, 2006 at 1:25 am
No surprises here…what an arsehole.
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 7:46 am
Well said Phil.
Drudge carried this yesterday. To be taken with a huge grain of salt.
However Hone Harawira speaking in Parliament on the current mideast crisis said this
“The violence perpetrated by the Jews must stop”
Since he said it in Maori it’s not anti semitic.
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 8:14 am
Andei,
Hone’s translation according to his own press release was acts of murder by Jews,
” Greetings to you Madam Speaker and to us the House. The Maori Party endorses the Prime Minister’s statement, that acts of murder by the Jews be stopped. Such acts upon the people of Lebanon must cease.”
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 8:29 am
Have you noticed that the american media outlets are now referring to him as “Australian actor, Mel Gibson”??
it’s like when Russell Crowe had the hone iincident, the Aussie media started referring to him as “NZ born actor, Russell Crowe”.
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 8:46 am
TMZ have a copy of the police report, which looks legitimate.
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 8:53 am
Thansk for clearing that up anonymouse, you have made it clear that the Maori Party finds acts of murder by Hezbollah acceptable but JEWS are to be stopped. Not Israel, a nation of many faiths, just Jews.
I flip through the ol dictionary here… here we go under “anti-semitism”, oh look a picture of Hone.
His comments were one sided, completely biased, targeted a relgion and are liable to incite anti-Jewish sentiment in a nation known for it’s poulation attacking the graves on other New Zealanders based on their relgion after New Zealand poloticians make such anti-Jew statements publicly.
Another proud kiwi moment.
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 9:20 am
Mel Gibson is a Christian fundamentalist nutter. If you didn’t know from his last film about his anti-semetic beliefs you do now. Stick him in the gallery along with the holocaust deniers and the rest.
Gibson is the sort of guy, it appears from another thread, people would like to see running the Anglican church. These were the same people that were packing the cinemas for the Passion of Christ.
It is ironic, however, the amount of stick that Hone’s comments get. Given that anyone who dares criticise Isreal’s actions is labeled an anti-semite I fail to see what your outrage is here. Isreal is a country set up for the Jewish diaspra after hundreds of years of Christian persecution in Europe culminating in Hitlers holocausts. So it is accurate to say the killing in Lebanon is mainly being carried out by Jews. It would not be fair to criticise the Jewish religion or Jews in general as a result. This would be as unfair as criticising Christians for Mel and his like or Muslims for Al Quaida. There are plenty Jews and Isrealis who abhore the current state of affairs just as there were plenty Palistinians (a majority of whom are Muslim) who were prepared to recognise Isreal’s right to exist as a state. After the latest atrocity in Lebanon one can only imagine those numbers are dropping off from the hights where President Abbas was confident of a reforendum victory, especially after the latest series of attrocities in Lebanon.
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 9:51 am
Noddy:
Um, as I’ve said before I’ve never been a fan of Mel Gibson and The Passion of The Christ has the dubious distinction of (literally) making me puke.
But, as a recovering alcoholic, I’m not really comfortable posturing on the moral high ground here. There are too many people out there who remember the truly vile things I said and did while off my face for that game to work.
And just for the record, Noddy, like DPF I don’t think criticism of the state of Israel is ipso facto anti-Semitic. Getting your face all over Al-Jazeera saying things like “Jews are the cancer, the AIDS, of the world” and there will be no peace until the Jews are ‘destroyed’ certainly is.
As for Mr. Harawira – well Mel Gibson isn’t a legislator in this country. Hone Harawira is – and perhaps he should really think twice before standing up in the House of Representatives and pissing out his inflamatory and factually-challenged rhetoric.
And here’s a thought for you, Noddy: In the 2001 census, 98 percent of Maori who stated a religious affiliation were Christians of some stripe. (Who knows how many others, like myself, are religiously observant but ticked the “decline to state” box for whatever reason. Personally, I don’t live in a theocracy and my religion isn’t any of the government’s fracking business.) If my memory serves, Mr. Harawira himself is a devout Ratana. Now, how do you think he would react if, say, Don Brash stood up in a debate on child abuse and said “it’s time for these murders by Ratana and other Christians to stop”?
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 10:50 am
Craig, well put all round. People say and do things that are quite out of character when they are really drunk. I don’t think it really reflects what they think when sober. Or it’s a pretty distorted reflection, through a twisted mirror.
That is not to say that Mel is not antisemitic. He may well be, but I wouldn’t base the judgement on things said whilst drunk. Supposedly the Passion of the Christ (which I could think of no reason to see) contains slurs on the Jews of Christ’s time. It’s one possible interpretation of a highly mythologized time.
I can’t see that as convincing evidence of antisemitism, a word that seems to have degenerated from it’s original horribly nasty meaning of ‘Jew hating’ to now mean ‘Disagreeing with Israeli government plans’. It’s quite possible that Mel, like most of the planet, is an antisemite in this new sense. And an alcoholic with the foul mouth and temper that goes with it. There’s nothing good about that, though. I suppose it gives him some kind of moral high ground that at least he’s got a problem with a *legal* substance, unlike many rich famous actors.
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 10:53 am
To his credit, Gibson has just released a statement taking responsibility for his comments, apologising for them (profoundly), saying he does not and did not believe them, and announcing he is an alcoholic and getting help. I hope he does. It isn’t every Hollywood star that would squarely face the issue and deal with it. And regardless of the inevitable schadenfreude that will come out now, I still think he managed to make a deeply moving piece of art, and I hope he and his family pull through.
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 10:54 am
To his credit, Gibson has just released a statement taking responsibility for his comments, apologising for them (profoundly), saying he does not and did not believe them, and announcing he is an alcoholic and getting help. I hope he does. It isn’t every Hollywood star that would squarely face the issue and deal with it. And regardless of the inevitable schadenfreude that will come out now, I still think he managed to make a deeply moving piece of art, and I hope he and his family pull through.
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 10:57 am
To his credit, Gibson has just released a statement taking responsibility for his comments, apologising for them (profoundly), saying he does not and did not believe them, and announcing he is an alcoholic and getting help. I hope he does. It isn’t every Hollywood star that would squarely face the issue and deal with it. And regardless of the inevitable schadenfreude that will come out now, I still think he managed to make a deeply moving piece of art, and I hope he and his family pull through.
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 10:57 am
To his credit, Gibson has just released a statement taking responsibility for his comments, apologising for them (profoundly), saying he does not and did not believe them, and announcing he is an alcoholic and getting help. I hope he does. It isn’t every Hollywood star that would squarely face the issue and deal with it. And regardless of the inevitable schadenfreude that will come out now, I still think he managed to make a deeply moving piece of art, and I hope he and his family pull through.
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 11:24 am
Oh wait….he apologised, that’s all ok then.
The “Passion” was seen to be anti Jewish.
Mel denied it.
Mel & his daddy come from a weird, out there, end of Catholicism.
He’s of those tragics who blame the Joooos for the Christ ‘suicide by police’ thingy.
Talk about a grudge.
If the Romans didn’t do, someone had to or the story falls apart.
An airhead religious nutter who acts.
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 11:41 am
“Now, how do you think he would react if, say, Don Brash stood up in a debate on child abuse and said “it’s time for these murders by Ratana and other Christians to stop”?”
I would say it was adhorent. I am not sure where we disagree here, Craig, except you seem a little more understanding of Mel than myself. For those who question Gibson’s antisemitic credentials I suggest you to a little more research into the sect to which he belongs. In particular they oppose the 2nd Vatican Council’s affirnation that “that the Jews of the time of Christ, taken indiscriminately, and all Jews today are no more responsible for the death of Christ than Christians”.
Isn’t *that* what is being debated with regards to the Maori party statement?
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 12:41 pm
On a lighter note, if my spelling and typing does not amuse, has anyone noticed the uncanny resemblence between Mel Gibson and Saddam Hussein?
http://stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3749650a1860,00.html
Could the perhaps be related?
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 1:17 pm
“As is often the case, the truth comes out with some alcohol”.
Were you sober when you wrote that? If so, can we therefore take it with a grain of salt? Or do you normally blog in a state of perpetual drunkeness?
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 1:17 pm
“As is often the case, the truth comes out with some alcohol”.
Were you sober when you wrote that? If so, can we therefore take it with a grain of salt? Or do you normally blog in a state of perpetual drunkeness?
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 1:17 pm
“As is often the case, the truth comes out with some alcohol”.
Were you sober when you wrote that? If so, can we therefore take it with a grain of salt? Or do you normally blog in a state of perpetual drunkeness?
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 1:17 pm
“As is often the case, the truth comes out with some alcohol”.
Were you sober when you wrote that? If so, can we therefore take it with a grain of salt? Or do you normally blog in a state of perpetual drunkeness?
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 1:23 pm
“As is often the case, the truth comes out with some alcohol”.
Were you sober when you wrote that? If so, can we therefore take it with a grain of salt? Or do you normally blog in a state of perpetual drunkeness?
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 6:01 pm
Maybe Mel had just been listening to the news…
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 6:41 pm
You’re all over this, eh Gryf.
It’s what happens when the Joooos don’t line up to go through the shower room doors any more.
I reckon they should accept 99 Hezzie rockets from Sth Leb. a week as a baseline….forever.
Vote:Unreasonable bastards.
July 31st, 2006 at 7:17 pm
Fred,
The rockets Hezzbollah are firing are typically about 1-2m long. The spent shell of one can be picked up in one hand. Lethal only if you are very unlucky. The firing of these things across the border ONLY started AFTER the IDF attacked South Lebanon. AFTER a couple of IDF patsies were captured by Hezbollah inside Lebanon.
By contrast Israel, having the fifth largest Air Force in the world, the largest army in the Middle East and access to unlimited US funding and technology has killed in excess of 500 Lebanese, only a small number being actual Hezzbollah. And this is just the known death toll, many more are still buried in rubble. Large numbers of children and elderly are among the victims, blown to bloody scorched shreds, or crushed when entire buildings are violently collapsed about them.
They blast a well-known UN post and called it an “accident”. The day before they score a direct hit on the Red Cross atop an ambulance and called it an accident. Today they kill 60 more in Qana and call this an accident too. At this rate we will be needing a whole new definition of the word accident. Given what the Israeli govt is doing let
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 7:32 pm
Noddy:
In all seriousness, I know more about the so-called ‘sedevacantist’ movement than I really want to – and I sure as shit don’t want to spend any time defending Mel Gibson’s work as a film-maker or amateur Biblical scholar. I just can’t really stomach the hobgoblin schadenfreude that seems to be breaking out around the blogisphere. My loathing of the man and his film hasn’t changed one mircon over the last twenty four hours; but as I said, I don’t really feel I’ve a strong enough purchase on the moral high ground to wag my finger at a foul-mouthed drunk. If he’s gone into a tirade about niggers, corporate overlords and the hairy-legged rug munchers would it have made his conduct any less repugnant, or that religiose snuff movie any less trivial and demeaning to the whole idea of faith?
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 8:10 pm
Gryf…You forgot about how the Jews control the media and world finance…along with Halliburton and the Bavarian Iluminati…
Maybe you should try reading some history books rather than the Hamas website for a change…
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 10:09 pm
Gryf,
Try reading up on the past 12 months and I think you’ll find to your surprise that the Hez have been sending rockets over the border for most of the past year, not just for the last two weeks as you seem to suggest.
Also you seem to make the Hez rockets sound so loveable. I mean theyre only 1 to 2m long and filled with explosives and shrapnel. Who wouldn’t want one coming through their roof?
Vote:July 31st, 2006 at 10:18 pm
Its interesting that people find it convenient to criticise Israel for so called “occupation” etc etc…however when was the last time anyone heard any criticism of the continued Turkish occupation of Cyprus? Just a thought…
Vote:August 2nd, 2006 at 4:58 pm
So many howlers Gryf.
You must be reading the NZ Herald.
Some rocket information may disabuse you of your rocket problems…but I doubt it.
Contrary to your claim quoted below, the Hezzies have been rocketing northern Israeli civilian targets from Sth Leb. since Israel withdrew from Sth Leb. in Oct 2000.
Hakmas have resumed targeting Israeli civilians with rockets since Israel recently withdrew from Gaza in an attempt to appease.
It didn’t work.
See Gryf, both want to erase Israel from the face of the earth.
Silly Gryf says
“The firing of these things across the border ONLY started AFTER the IDF attacked South Lebanon”
He lies….
Aerospaceweb says
“Once Israel completed it’s withdrawal from southern Lebanon in 2000, Hezbollah again reoccupied positions along the border to fire rockets south……the organisation has also continued to receive a variety of more advanced rockets of greater range and destructive power from its sponsors in Iran”.
In addition to the Katyusha, newer models are the Fajr-3 with 45kg warhead, the Fajr-5 with 90kg warhead, the Shahin-1&2 with 190kg warheads and the Zelzal-2 with 600kg warhead & a range of 200 kms bringing cities in central and southern Israel within range.
And the UN now know to keep the Hezzies out of the UN positions.
Vote:Gryf seems to have acquired the Arab inability to understand cause and effect…perhaps it’s genetic.
August 2nd, 2006 at 5:03 pm
Hakmas? Make that Hamas.
Vote:August 3rd, 2006 at 7:04 am
Fred seems to have acquired the ruling classes natural ability to twist and spin facts with no shame whatsoever.
1. The vast majority of Hez rockets (of the thousands fired) are of a relatively small, primitive type that have a very small kill radius. This morning Hez fired 200 rockets, and yet only ONE person was killed. I have a picture of a friend of mine standing hold the spent shell of such a rocket in one hand. I’m not linking to it because it is was sent to me privately. Contrast this to the 2000lb precision bombs the IDF have at it’s disposal, the kind that demolishes entire apartment blocks. Nor do these rockets contain white phosphorous, in contrast to persistent reports from Lebanon that the IDF are illegally using such weapons.
2. The IDF and Hez have been exchanging low level fire ever since the Israeli’s withdrew from Lebanon. Everyone knows that. But the huge escalation of rocket fire from Hez in the last two weeks has occured in response to IDF attacks.
Twist all you like Fred, but the vast majority of opinion worldwide has strongly condemmed Israel in the last two weeks. The only reason why these murderous attacks continue is that the United States of Israel have been backing them all the way.
Vote:August 3rd, 2006 at 8:10 am
Gryf is a seriously sick puppy with his warped moral equivalence – weighing “pound for pound” the explosive capacity of the weapons of each side. But he’s happy to live in a country saved from fascist invasion by the overwhelming fire power of Allied forces of 60 or so years ago(maybe one of his parents or grandparents was a member of that “murderous” group?
So, in our new moral relativity, for Gryf a legitimate democratic state is the same as a terrorist gang with stone-age practices.
“Useful idiot” are the words that Lenin used to describe the international Bolshevik starry-eyed groupies. First time tragedy, second time farce.
Vote:August 3rd, 2006 at 9:21 am
Gryf..
You vile little troll.
One of those rockets “relatively small, primitive type that have a very small kill radius” made a hole in the ground 20ft in dia, 5 ft deep close to the volunteers huts at the Kibbutz I was on. Didn’t look too bloody harmless to me.
As for low Israeli casualties.. that’s only because they shelter in massive bunkers.
As for describing (or ascribed attributes to) Fred as “ruling classes” and spewing forth a diatribe of anti-Americanism.
You aren’t Keith Locke are you?
Who the hell talks like that?
Vote:August 3rd, 2006 at 9:46 am
“I still think he managed to make a deeply moving piece of art”
That would be Mad Max 2, obviously.
Anyway… on a very light note, this made me snort.
http://kiwiherald.blogspot.com/2006/08/give-up-gibson-or-we-bomb-australia.html – GIVE UP GIBSON OR WE BOMB AUSTRALIA SAYS ISRAELI PM
Vote:August 3rd, 2006 at 10:23 am
Gryff convieniently forgets the ball bearings stacked inside the Rockets and how one of the UN observers killed said minutes before they were shelled that “Hezbollah were all over the Bunker” Given Hezb’s penchance for hiding behind woman and children I believe that totally.
Vote:August 3rd, 2006 at 12:46 pm
Time to grow up Gryfy.
The Israelis will not allow their civilians to be rocketed and for that rocketing to continue without end because the Hezzie launcher is deliberately sited very near to Lebanese civilians.
They attack the launcher, if that happens often enough during this war the civilians the Hezzies are using will get hit.
Reality all a bit much for a socialised bed wetter, is it Gryfy?
The Hezzies know the Israelis try to avoid civilians while they themselves deliberately target civilians.
The Israelis are there because the Leb. govt refused to use its 10,000 strong army to keep the Hezzie rockets out of Sth Leb.
In a major development two nights ago on ‘Lateline’ in Aust., the Leb Foreign Minister admitted that the Leb govt supports the Hezzie rocket attacks on Israel.
Sorry to ruin your day Gryf, your mates kill Israelis and therefore will be killed in return.
Vote:You need to commit that to memory.
August 3rd, 2006 at 7:24 pm
“The obscene score-card for death in this latest war now stands as follows: 508 Lebanese civilians, 46 Hizbollah guerrillas, 26 Lebanese soldiers, 36 Israeli soldiers and 19 Israeli civilians.”
Fisk 3/8/06
You know if the target of Gibson’s drunken rantings had been ANY other ethnic or national group anywhere…nobody would have heard a peep about the matter. But of course there is a special degree of acid and vitriol reserved for those who commit the only real taboo …criticising the real seat of power. Of course the message from this little episode to all US based public figures is “shut the fuck up about Israel, or this too will be your fate”.
Vote:August 3rd, 2006 at 8:40 pm
I dunno what’s best…a dead Hezzie or the impotent rage of the left as Israel defends itself.
Can I have both?
For Gryfy it’s tears before bedtime, his position is exposed.
(He might be the victim of a good ‘fisking’, let’s hope Fisk is correct on this occassion re dead Hezzies)
But on a brighter note……
Yo’all will be overjoyed to hear that 3 of the Bali bombers are schedule for the big first date with the 72 virgins compliments of a firing squad at the end of August.
Hope those fuckers will be looking their best, pity about the holes.
Lots of celebratory parties and insensitive right wing fireworks being organised in Aust.
Maybe Gryfy can make it over?
Vote:August 3rd, 2006 at 9:05 pm
Hezbollah fighters typically avoid civilians like the plague. The idea that they routinely use “civilians” as a some kind of shield is just another propaganda myth easily disproven:
1. As a shield’s go using “civilians as shields” would be entirely futile as everyone knows the IDF cheerfully bomb the crap out of anything, combatant or otherwise.
2. Why then put at risk your own people? What is to be gained? Non-fighters just get in the way.
3. Almost all comentators on the Lebanese side of the border have confirmed these observations.
Reading Fred gloating about the Lebanese death toll clearly illuminates the nature of vile doesn’t it?
Vote:August 3rd, 2006 at 9:34 pm
Gryf has a reading problem… that’s good dead Hezzies.
The rest is rubbish of course, now too irrational for anything but trolldom.
Recommend the ‘Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion’.
Vote:August 3rd, 2006 at 9:52 pm
“But of course there is a special degree of acid and vitriol reserved for those who commit the only real taboo …criticising the real seat of power.”
Gryf forgets that Jews are no longer prepared to be victims. His rant shows that he’s a 24 carat Jew-hater. You’re welcome to wallow with the Pat Buchanan far right, Gryf. Identical to lefty Jew-haters like you.
“And they looked from man to pig and pig to man and back again and soon it became impossible to tell the difference.” George Orwell
Vote:August 3rd, 2006 at 10:57 pm
If Mel Gibson had said what he said about ANYONE else but the Jews, NOTHING would have been heard about it. Now who am I to gainsay the idea that “we Jews don’t want to be victim’s anymore”…fine, nobody ever volunteers to be a “victim”…but WHO got instantaneous world-wide saturation level coverage of Gibson’s piss-drivel within hours of the story breaking? And you still want us to believe that the Zionist lobby doesn’t exert a high degree of inside control of the MSM, expecially within the USA?
Freedom to say anything we want, but not to criticise the real seats of power eh? This is the real lesson to be learnt from Gibson’s “crucifixion”. Profoundly ironic isn’t it?
Vote:August 3rd, 2006 at 11:34 pm
two syllabel review of mels’ other finest moment…’the passion of the christ’….
ew..!…eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 4th, 2006 at 6:04 am
Sure gryf, imagine if gibson had said the same thing about muslims. NO ONE, ANYWHERE in the world would have protested would they?
You’ll note that video stores selling gibson’s films aren’t being firebombed right now, you unutterable plonker.
Vote:August 4th, 2006 at 8:56 am
Time will tell what impact this has on Gibbo’s career. His immediate problem is that the ratio of jews to gentiles in the Hollywood power list is huge. He couldn’t have done much worse if he’d ranted about homosexual jews.
But I thought he was pretty much washed up when he released a film about Christ in aramaic…
So we’ll see. His best bet is to get Mad Max 4 out as fast as possible IMO.
Vote:August 4th, 2006 at 12:43 pm
Fred said:
“The Hezzies know the Israelis try to avoid civilians while they themselves deliberately target civilians”.
Is that your idea of black humour? Would you mind telling us how many civilians the IDF has killed (accidentally, of course) and how many the Hezzies have killed? Thanks. I can provide you with a calculator if you need one.
Vote:August 4th, 2006 at 12:43 pm
Fred said:
“The Hezzies know the Israelis try to avoid civilians while they themselves deliberately target civilians”.
Is that your idea of black humour? Would you mind telling us how many civilians the IDF has killed (accidentally, of course) and how many the Hezzies have killed? Thanks. I can provide you with a calculator if you need one.
Vote:August 4th, 2006 at 1:12 pm
More impotent lefty rage, ross?
Its obvious why the Hezzies randomly target Israeli civilians.
Try and figure out why the Israelis would target civilians.
Well done, see how there is no advantage at all to Israel in attacking Leb civilians for the sake of it.
Beware of being fisked ‘ol mate,
with any luck Hezzies make up quite a number of the ‘civilian’ casualties
Hezzie launchers and storages in and near civilian housing means civilians will inevitably be victims when these targets are attacked. But you already knew that.
Bad luck ross, Israel will defend itself.
Vote:August 4th, 2006 at 1:49 pm
“Well done, see how there is no advantage at all to Israel in attacking Leb civilians for the sake of it.”
Why are they doing it then? Are they a bit thick?
Vote:August 4th, 2006 at 3:09 pm
“Bad luck ross, Israel will defend itself”.
Today 11 Israeli’s have been killed in the course of Israel “defending itself”. Given that Hizbollah kidnapped (not killed) two Israeli soldiers, negotiation might have prevented those 11 deaths (and no doubt there’s more to come).
Defending yourself is one thing, invading and occupying a sovereign nation, most of us know that’s not going to resolve anything.
Vote:August 4th, 2006 at 3:09 pm
“Bad luck ross, Israel will defend itself”.
Today 11 Israeli’s have been killed in the course of Israel “defending itself”. Given that Hizbollah kidnapped (not killed) two Israeli soldiers, negotiation might have prevented those 11 deaths (and no doubt there’s more to come).
Defending yourself is one thing, invading and occupying a sovereign nation, most of us know that’s not going to resolve anything.
Vote:August 4th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
Gryf wrote:
If Mel Gibson had said what he said about ANYONE else but the Jews, NOTHING would have been heard about it.
Oh, to quote Penn and Teller, BULLSHIT! Gibson has developed into Hollywood’s answer to Prince Philip over the years and (yes) there’s been plenty of ink spilled over his equally vile diatribes about homosexuals, feminists, blacks, etc. So please spare me any rubbish about how Gibson is a victim of the Vast Zionist Conspiracy.
Vote:August 4th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
Hey Gryf…maybe you should go check this out
http://www.wwtdd.com/index.php?type=cat&name=more%20South%20Park
Add that to your collection of conspiracy theories
Vote:August 4th, 2006 at 7:38 pm
BULLSHIT yourself. Gibson may have set tongues wagging among the nattering classes…but this was instant, worldwide, saturation, lead the news coverage for several days. Yah dreaming if you think we cannot tell the difference.
Besides, the comments he made were not on some stage to an audience, or an interview to be broadcast…they were angry drunken piffle made on the spur of the moment from one person to another. The kind of shit that goes down all day every day all over the world. Yet SOMEONE decided it was going to LEAD the fucken news. It is you who insult our intelligence with your snivelling evasions.
Vote:August 4th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
Gryf, if Gibson had said what he said but about Afro-Americains he would have been treated in exactly the same manner. (There’s also a bit of context because of The Passion).
The difference is that he chose Jews not Afro-Americans, just like no one cooks up conspiracy theories about Afro-Americans having undue influence over the US goverment.
Vote:August 4th, 2006 at 8:03 pm
“F*****g Americans… The Americans are responsible for all the wars in the world.” Gibson then asked the deputy, “Are you an American?”
You’re right of course Gryf, of course it only made the headlines because it’s criticism of the Jews that’s verbotten. As a matter of fact, it’s very very convenient that such a story got such airtime at this particular time, isn’t it? I guess someone knew that a desecration of a Jewish cemetary wouldn’t quite cut the mustard this particular time.
Vote:August 5th, 2006 at 4:08 am
There are numerous videos of Hizbo rocket pads directly beside/on top of apartment buildings, and rocket trucks parking right next to houses. Gryf, I don’t think you understand that the Hizbos ARE civilians. Look at Qana(death toll now down to 24), a rocket pad was right behind it. Israel hit the rocket pad, and several hours later the Hezbo munitions store in that building exploded. Also, only women and children were in the building (and weapons!). Last time I checked it took a man and a women to procreate, so where were the husbands?? They were outside firing rockets!! Trying to distinguish civilian casualties from Hizbullah casualties is nearly impossible. The bottom line is that Israel does not intentionally target civilians, it does not help their cause to do so. On the other hand, the Hizbos INTENTIONALLY try to kill civilians, and rejoice when they do. It’s sick. The world did not want to acknowledge the threat of the Nazis before WW 2, just as it does not want to acknowledge the threat of Islamic fascism now, but it will.
Vote: