Comments on: British Muslims

By: mikeybill

mikeybill — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:16:44 +0000

nz conservative – I’ve lived in a muslim majority country for 8 years (Turkey). The vast majority of the Turksh Muslims I knew were incredibly hard working, honest, and friendly.

There were fanatics amongst them, but I find the nutters in Destiny Church and their ilk just as disturbing. You complain of being wronged by Muslims: I’ve had Greek Orthodox try and rob me, going by your logic, all Orthodox are a risk to us all.

Your argument is weak and makes no sense. It seems merely thinly disguided prejudice.

By: nz conservative

nz conservative — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:59:42 +0000

A few negative experiences overseas with Muslims that I have not experienced with any other race/culture:
-Nearly being mugged by 3 Muslims In Manchester
-Working in a big nightclub in Manchester where nearly all of the serious trouble was caused by Muslims.
-Being chased out of a store in Paris by a Muslim store owner with a crowbar- because my sister complained about a hole in a packet of biscuits she wanted to buy. There was also a riot in part of Paris the next day, apparently because an elderly french war veteran was taking potshots at local Muslim youths- This particular riot wasn’t reported overseas.

These incidents have only strengthened my opinion that the prudent policy for NZ is to limit Muslim immigration. Maybe most Muslims are ok, but why take the risk? Most kiwis think Europe is a multicultural paradise because they only go to London in the UK, and maybe a few well-policed streets in Paris.

By: nz conservative

nz conservative — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:58:29 +0000

By: nz conservative

nz conservative — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:57:43 +0000

By: nz conservative

nz conservative — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:56:01 +0000

By: MCMC

MCMC — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:06:37 +0000

above: “was” =”wanted”

40% of Americans wanted US muslims to carry a special form of ID…

By: MCMC

MCMC — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:06:20 +0000

Nice spin on the article. Somehow I thought that 40% of Americans was US muslims to carry a special form of ID was somehow the more important bit.

I think if you don’t like being criticized, you should turn off all comments (not just mine) like Public Address does. I agree that it’s your blog and you can post whatever you want, but if you care anything about public debate instead of just having a box at speakers corner, then making those decisions leaves you open to criticism.

By: David Farrar

David Farrar — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:15:24 +0000

MCMC – I have no editorial responsibility to be fair or non biased as you see it. If you don’t like what I highlight then go set up your own blog and highlight what you think I miss. Don’t whine here about it though.

Here we have your moral equivalnce again. A poll of British Muslims find 20% support terrorist attacks on the country they live in. While a poll of Americans find some do not want Muslim neighbours.

Oh wow that is just so much the same. Not.

Find me a poll which say 20% of Christians living in a country where they are the minority, support terrorist attacks against that country, and you have a comparison.

By: MCMC

MCMC — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:57:41 +0000

The problem DPF, is that you, as blog-owner, can link to whatever you want. Your editorial responsibility also leaves you open to charges of bias when you don't link to other interesting stories. Like this one: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002984956

By: David Farrar

David Farrar — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:18:04 +0000

Rocket Boy makes the mistake of thinking I am anti-Muslim. I am anti_Islamist. Unfortunately thay make up a significant minority of Muslims.

You also assume I have not been to Muslim countries or know Muslims. I do.

If RB bothered to look back on the blog, he would also see I have praised the NZ Muslim community on many occassions.

By: Rocket Boy

Rocket Boy — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:05:09 +0000

David I strongly suggest that your next overseas trip is to a Muslim country like Turkey or Egypt so you can actually see how people in these countries live their everyday lives. And then you might see that they are not that different to you or I. Reading your posts over the last few weeks it is not hard to see your pro-Jewish and anti-Muslim view of the world. I used to think that most New Zealanders were above these narrow views but reading the posts on this blog I am not so sure.

By: Josh

Josh — Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:04:02 +0000

“I haven’t actually seen a single news story that refers to those arrested as being Muslim.”

The lead story on TV3 news last night started by referring to them as “British-born Muslims with links to Pakistan”.

By: phillipjohn

phillipjohn — Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:31:33 +0000

60 % of Americans who watch fox news believe that the US found WMDs in Iraq. 80 % believe that Saddam had a role in the 9/11 attacks. Considering that this comes from the world’s most powerful country, I say these results are scarier.

By: osamaisanob

osamaisanob — Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:21:58 +0000

“How can people with these attitudes and values become NZ citizens. We have a unique opportunity to avoid having the muslim ghettos that they have in other countries – France, UK and Australia.”

Danyl – couldn’t agree more.
The UK should never have let them in the country and we shouldn’t ket them in ours either.
Let them live in their own country and they can do what they like (Bush and Blair get the hell out). Our cultures seem to be incompatible.

By: gd

gd — Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:30:51 +0000

photocam Dont tell anyone but I figured it out in July 1969 when you know the big warehouse in Texas that they fooled us about.

By: David Farrar

David Farrar — Fri, 11 Aug 2006 02:42:14 +0000

Belt – the polling company seems most reputable. This was not for a tabloid newspaper.

Yes I only highlighted the more disturbing of the findings, but that is the case with most news – you highlight the ususual.

I agree the results are inflammatory, but that is the fault of the respondents not the pollsters.

As for the arrested terror suspects coming from the same group, I haven’t actually seen a single news story that refers to those arrested as being Muslim. In fact they have gone to great lengths to not describe the suspects except as British born.

By: Adrian

Adrian — Fri, 11 Aug 2006 02:40:58 +0000

Geez, Belt, put the undergrad sociology coursebook back in the bag. I find the poll both interesting and informative; you on the other hand want to censor anything you find discomforting. Presumably, no Muslims were tortured to extract this nformation; they gave it freely for the public to consume. Who on earth are you to overrule this and deny them a voice?

Imperialist oppressor Pig…

By: PabloR

PabloR — Fri, 11 Aug 2006 02:36:15 +0000

Oh God said to Abraham, “Kill me a son”
Abe says, “Man, you must be puttin’ me on”
God say, “No.” Abe say, “What?”
God say, “You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin’ you better run”
Well Abe says, “Where do you want this killin’ done?”
God says, “Out on Highway 61.”

By: photocam

photocam — Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:44:16 +0000

“We are also now aware that what we see on the TV is not what we think we see.”

Sorry but……. did you only just figure that out?

By: gd

gd — Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:40:06 +0000

IMHO its about tolerance and acceptance. Its a continuim. In NZ most people of whatever ethnic background and religion are pretty accepting on a one on one basis and as a group.Not so in other countries. Perhaps its a little too easy for us to critise whats happening in other places (and I include myself) We arent there We are also now aware that what we see on the TV is not what we think we see.We should remember there are 3 sides to every story Your side My side and the truth And all 3 are mutually exclusive.Only when you have all 3 side can you make a valid judgement.