It’s about the truth

August 2nd, 2006 at 9:01 pm by David Farrar

I am very disappointed that the Greens are now with Helen wanting “closure” for the Field affair, rather than wanting the truth to come out.

You see the point isn’t whether Field apologises, or whether he is given an official tut tut note. The issue is not the sanction, but finding out the truth. Until the truth is known, one can’t sensibly debate sanctions.

The PM commissioned a QC to investigate. She gave him no powers. He was obstructed in doing his duty. The PM should be outraged at the obstruction, and be the person demanding that the truth come out. Instead she is the one trying to bury the truth, now helped by the Greens.

Potentially one of her MPs lied to her own official inquiry. His associates were found to have given unreliable evidence. His own evidence was found to be unsatisfactory. Many of his other associates refused to testify at all. Some evidence was deemed to be rehearsed. The cover-up is the issue, more so than the original allegations.

If Field did lie to the official inquiry, then it is not a matter of apology but resignation. And it would be very simple to find this out. You don’t even need a full commission of inquiry. Clark as Minister of Ministerial Services could use her own office to find out who paid for the airfares to Samoa, which appeared to be be booked through his Ministerial office. One phone call to Qantas from Ministerial Services could clear that up.

But she won’t do this. Why? She is scared of the truth coming out. And that is what people should demand. Not fake apologies, or tut tut notes of censure. One needs to find out exactly what happened, before you decide on the next step.

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33 Responses to “It’s about the truth”

  1. sigh () says:

    Like a cat being denied of its play mouse, the wailing and gnashing of teath from the Nats is not only looking rather insincere its getting particularly boring. Your title “It’s about the truth” is an absolute hypocrisy.
    For the Nats this has never been about the truth, its about dragging out an issue as long as it suits them- achived by riling against the findings of QC inquiry and a Speaker’s privileges ruling simply because they didnt like the outcome.
    And unfortunately the Born to Rule Tory’s (BRT) just realised for the umpteenth time that under an MMP Parliament it cant assume it will always get its way.

    As John Armstrong said today “National could not raise its sights beyond the parliamentary bear-pit where it appeared to have been outmanoeuvred. It consequently looked the loser.”

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  2. neil morrison () says:

    Clark has choosen to cling to power rather than deal robustly with corruption. The Greens, NZF and UF have merrily followed along.

    I don’t doubt that Clark is in a difficlult position. I would have supported her if it had not been over the issue of corruption.

    It’s ok in some circumstances to sacrifice principles, but not always.

    Lucker for her she has Winston’s support.

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  3. marcel () says:

    Jeanette was right to table that motion. As far as I can see (from the Greens stuff, not the media’s) this isn’t a way to shut down the Field affair.

    I think frogbolg got it right here also: “Long term, the central problem remains that there is no satisfactory way for Parliament to deal with allegations of misconduct against its members.”

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  4. JohnD () says:

    Look’s like Dapper Don has been Bitch slapped by a Woman now.
    Firstly Gerry (Bunter) Brownlee and then Jeanette (The Greenie) Fitzsimons.

    At least the Greens are not as stupid as National and wasn’t going to play into there hands.

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  5. iiq374 () says:

    sigh – you forget it was Labour that dragged out the report for 9 months then didn’t release it for a further 1 or 2 MONTHS.

    A couple of weeks from National is hardly dragging out the affair. You seem to have fallen for what was pointed out to be Labours ploy when the report was first delayed. Or has the delay been that long that you have forgotten that already as well?

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  6. geniusNZ () says:

    the cost of Field being axed is at worst reliance on the greens – Labour should just bite the bullet on that one for the sake of removing corruption from our parliment. And I find it hard to see how anyone can defend him except on “making a deal with the devil” sort of grounds.

    Besides, at this rate, another report could easily take us to the end of the labour term…

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  7. Ross Miller () says:

    For JohnD and Sigh and all other Labour apologists. If you are happy for your Party to continue to have allegations of corruption hanging over it thru to the next election then fine. But you will regret it.

    I can just see the ads for the next election. A smiling Mr Field standing in front of his Massey Road office with a sign reading Help Given …. Immigratuion Enquiries $1,000; Letter writing to Minister in support $3,000; Letter writing to Minister without full disclosure $5,000; Real Estate Inquiries by appointment; Overseas Travel arranged (no money necessary) etc, etc, etc,

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  8. Ross Miller () says:

    For JohnD and Sigh and all other Labour apologists. If you are happy for your Party to continue to have allegations of corruption hanging over it thru to the next election then fine. But you will regret it.

    I can just see the ads for the next election. A smiling Mr Field standing in front of his Massey Road office with a sign reading Help Given …. Immigratuion Enquiries $1,000; Letter writing to Minister in support $3,000; Letter writing to Minister without full disclosure $5,000; Real Estate Inquiries by appointment; Overseas Travel arranged (no money necessary) etc, etc, etc,

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  9. culma () says:

    Boy oh Boy – The greens died with Rod Donald, I never agreed with his politics but he was his own man.

    Fitzsimmons needs to get along to her local vet and get micro chipped, that is the best impression of a LAP DOG I’ve seen in a long time, blows Winnies antics out of the water.

    Talk is who will take over from Clark in Labour? My question who’d want to, by the time this bitch has finished both Labour and parliament will need a damn good commercial clean, the septic tanks are definitely overflowing!

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  10. noddy () says:

    “If you are happy for your Party to continue to have allegations of corruption hanging over it”

    Oh come of it Ross. Commentors on this blog are *always* screeching corruption, blue murder and worse. There is an issue with PTF here, it is not as big as National like to make out, but then again they think Ron Mark’s salute was the “end of life as we know it” as well, so who can tell.

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  11. culma () says:

    Noddy – I would like to bring in a dozen Filipino’s to help me do a job, if they pay their own way I will put a roof over their head, I don’t intend paying them but I guarantee them that I will have a word in the ear of a mate that might sort out work permits, and possible residency.
    I’ve made my intentions clear, what do you think the chances of achieving this are, NONE it is bloody criminal.

    This is where you ass holes on the left are pack of charlatans, you preach about equality, fairness and rights for the worker but you condone this “Extreme Capitalism” as being a storm in a tea cup whipped up by National,
    National didn’t fly tradesmen to the islands to refit Fields holiday home!
    National didn’t ask Field to dabble in property brokering for his own personal benefit.
    National didn’t assemble those to be questioned in the inquiry so as to orchestrate their lack of response.

    As far of the cost of a select committee goes, its a drop in the bucket compared to the crap Labour have wasted money on over the last few years, so yes lets hear the details, if Field isn’t guilty then I’ll be the first to apologize!

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  12. david () says:

    The only way you are going to “get” Field is have someone stand outside Parliament and to the Press make accusations about his character and goad him into suing you for defamation. Then you will have your day in Court proving your allegations.

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  13. gd () says:

    To those of you who dont want to see a full and complete inquiry. Some of us have ethics and morals and standards of behaviour and we expect our elected representatives to uphold at the least those standards If they cant or wont then we expect to do the honourable thing and Foxtrot Oscar. Now you may not hold to those high standards of morals and ethics but of course I couldnt possibly comment expect to say that if Field and Klark have nothing to hide then why would they object to a full and complete inquiry?

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  14. noddy () says:

    gd, in that case you will, like me, voice support for the Green’s motion, an MP’s code of ethics, an end to anonymous and hidden funding of political parties and candidates and then, yes, you should have your inquiry.

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  15. gd () says:

    Noddy Yes Yes Yes to all that. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Until we get transperancey and disclosure from our elected representatives we must continue to treat them with the utmost suspicion.The irony is that some MPs are members of professional bodies who have codes of conduct and ethics that they are obliged to adhere to if they wish to remain members. So the concept is not alien except to Parliament.At present we are dealing with a bunch of outright hypocrites Do as I say not as I do is their mantra. Well tough. If they want to have even a modicum of respect then they either get with the programme or they continue to be treated with utmost contempt. Their choice.

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  16. TheProphet () says:

    Noddy – WHAT has this got to do with hidden funding?.

    I don’t have a lot to do with Politics except what I have learnt over the net. I’m a simple working man with a small business and a family to feed. When I see behaviour like this from our politicians I feel disgusted that I have supported them through the many taxes that are levied on me.
    I have heard 3 people(all business owners ) say in the last week that they will either be closing up shop and working for cash from now on(declaring a minimum income for taxing) or will be using ANY rort they can in future to minimise taxes. All of them refered to Field.
    This is an example of the damage that is being done in the minds of New Zealanders (wether Field has done anything or not it LOOKS like a coverup).
    I really feel that this is a dangerous step down a very slippery slope. Labour needs to have an open and impartial inquiry into this with no holds barred,if only to convince Kiwis that they do not condone corruption.

    Allah protect us.

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  17. Lou () says:

    All we need now is global warming and we will truly be able to live in a banana rebublic.
    After 15 years of working my guts out to create a business in NZ my incentive to keep adding to the government coffers is diminishing by the day

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  18. JohnD () says:

    Ross. Do you really think that National, if the situation was reversed would be doing anything different.
    This is politics, and National would no more fall on there sword as will labour.
    National was trying for a political hit and Janet Fitzsimons is not as stupid as you seem to think as to play into there hand.

    DPF.
    Interesting how this post got onto the sight, as when i posted it, it was indicated that i could not find the sight and was not there some time later.
    Today i now go online and find it somehow got posted. Very strange

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  19. JohnD () says:

    It just did it again!

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  20. noddy () says:

    Prophet

    It’s simple. Anonymous and “trust” funding is a corrupting influence on politics and one that the electors, who are supposed to be able to judge, don’t get to see. The value of this corruption is far, far higher than PTFs, which is bad enough.

    If the Nats and others are really against corruption they need to be consistent. That’s all.

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  21. noddy () says:

    Prophet

    It’s simple. Anonymous and “trust” funding is a corrupting influence on politics and one that the electors, who are supposed to be able to judge, don’t get to see. The value of this corruption is far, far higher than PTFs, which is bad enough.

    If the Nats and others are really against corruption they need to be consistent. That’s all.

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  22. Mark () says:

    This government is utterly lacking in morals and is, frankly, an embarrassment. The list of half-truths and outright lies spoken by Labour would be a long one indeed.

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  23. side show bob () says:

    I agree with all that The Prophet has said this liar bour government is like a cancer tumour slowly increasing in size, it will prove to be terminal.
    As for the green party, I can only wonder what the Dear Leader promised to Fitzsimons to lie down and make like stunned mullet. What ever it is the Dead Leader will owe the greens big time.

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  24. TheProphet () says:

    Noddy – The whole point is – We don’t know the value of PTF’s corruption. That is why we need an inquiry.
    Are you privy to information on the total value(as you so quaintly put it) of Fields corruption? If so please share it with all of us.

    As I have said, as a man on the street, this all looks bad and has a trickle down effect that could/will have a detrimental effect on all Kiwis in the future.

    Allah protect us.

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  25. culma () says:

    How many you would assemble on the steps of Parliament to demand an answer?

    “I’m Kamp” will find urgent business off shore as she usually does, possibly even to suck the poison out of Winnies Ass! but they can’t all run for cover.

    Wouldn’t take this from a National MP so sure as hell won’t accept it from these clowns.

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  26. burt () says:

    I would join you culma. I might be wearing a placard that shows the car that Helen’s motorcade ran into the back of on Ponsonby road when she denied there was any other cars involved, and I might have my back painted like a big fat cheque from the Union, but I’ll be there. I may even get the Brethren to pay for my bus fare.

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  27. culma () says:

    Burt – when we get there you could always get her to sign the shirt as an original, she’s been known to sign others work as her own.

    Maybe we could get David Cunliffe to educate us in the art of having 4 different opinions on the same subject over 2 days.

    Or the Mallard, his forte is the ability to be a dick head in any situation, a skill picked up after years of being a clown.

    You are keener than I as I wouldn’t be seen dead wearing any reference to unions, would burn a few items but wouldn’t wear em.

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  28. phil u () says:

    burt..i think you are a bit confused …dear heart…

    um…err..it was exclusive brethren and national…(so you’d better talk to jerry about getting reimbursed for that bus fare..eh..?..)

    (repeat after me..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  29. Ross Miller () says:

    JohnD, Noddy et al …. fascinating that you are unable/incapable of acknowledging the damage this is doing to the Labour Party. Get out of your idological straightjackets and listen to the talk on the streets. People I meet and associate with including many from the ‘left’ of politics are uncomfortable with TPF’s behaviour and even more so with the cover-up orchestrated by ‘Dear Leader’ … and Labour will pay a price for the stench of asociated corruption.

    Look, my late father was a socialist in the Christian Socialist tradition. Family lore has it that as a young man in Palmerston North, during the depression, he set aside half his earnings to buy food for those in need. He was proud of the Savage legacy. I suspect that if he were alive right now he would be mortified and ashamed by the actions of your lot and while he would never have voted for the ‘right’ he certainly could not vote for the current bunch that you so readily champion.

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  30. culma () says:

    Ross – can’t agree more, having a personality that dictates I take the piss at any opportunity.
    Those lefties I’ve identified, I take great pleasure in feeding the antics of the present Liabour govt back to in slow small pieces.
    There is a definite change in attitude on the street, bought about partly because of the lack of integrity or moral standards shown by the present govt, but also because of the rampant money grab, and sanctimonious direction of kiwis as to where we should and shouldn’t spend any money’s we have left after the pick pockets have finished with us.

    I don’t care what ANY representative of the present govt has to say as I don’t believe there is one person in there (King/Goff included) that has an ounce of integrity.

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  31. gd () says:

    Ross Miller Agree Both my late father and grandfather were staunch Labour supporters of the old school. They will be spinning in their graves Klark and her corrupt little friends. There is always a tipping point and IMHO we are very fast approaching that.

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  32. llew () says:

    “There is always a tipping point and IMHO we are very fast approaching that.”

    At the risk of ruining my shiny new “lefty stooge” status – can you be a little more explicit gd?

    Seems to me several tipping points have been reached already.

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  33. Simo () says:

    So many tipping point for this government, only problem is that every time I go to the tip, the cops are there looking for body parts, very hard to hide socialists bodies fresh from the guillotine in Manners Mall.

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