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		<title>By: Nastya</title>
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		<title>By: Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danyl Mclauchlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is in spite of the average Swede&#039;s strong sense of duty, derived from their culture. This is the reason that their long trend to liberal socialism hasn&#039;t got a lot messier a lot sooner, like it will, say, in New Zealand.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

After all, we&#039;ve only had a strong socialist central government since the mid 19th century. Any day now . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is in spite of the average Swede&#8217;s strong sense of duty, derived from their culture. This is the reason that their long trend to liberal socialism hasn&#8217;t got a lot messier a lot sooner, like it will, say, in New Zealand.</p></blockquote>
<p>After all, we&#8217;ve only had a strong socialist central government since the mid 19th century. Any day now . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danyl Mclauchlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL - it&#039;s always amusing to hear wingnuts talk about Sweden. The distopian nightmare state bears little resemblence to the actual country. 

Care to provide some proof that the Swedes have banned free speech or private schools?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL &#8211; it&#8217;s always amusing to hear wingnuts talk about Sweden. The distopian nightmare state bears little resemblence to the actual country. </p>
<p>Care to provide some proof that the Swedes have banned free speech or private schools?</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Darryl, Sweden is a good example. Freedom of speech being legislated away. Multiculturalism and cultural relativism leading to building up of massive racial tensions and increasing violence. Private schools banned. A demographically unsustainable generous welfare system, and unsustainably increasing public debt. Fundamentalist Christians getting jailed, and &quot;too strict&quot; parents getting jailed and/or their children forcibly taken off them. Yes, I&#039;d say, watch Sweden.

This is in spite of the average Swede&#039;s strong sense of duty, derived from their culture. This is the reason that their long trend to liberal socialism hasn&#039;t got a lot messier a lot sooner, like it will, say, in New Zealand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Darryl, Sweden is a good example. Freedom of speech being legislated away. Multiculturalism and cultural relativism leading to building up of massive racial tensions and increasing violence. Private schools banned. A demographically unsustainable generous welfare system, and unsustainably increasing public debt. Fundamentalist Christians getting jailed, and &#8220;too strict&#8221; parents getting jailed and/or their children forcibly taken off them. Yes, I&#8217;d say, watch Sweden.</p>
<p>This is in spite of the average Swede&#8217;s strong sense of duty, derived from their culture. This is the reason that their long trend to liberal socialism hasn&#8217;t got a lot messier a lot sooner, like it will, say, in New Zealand.</p>
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		<title>By: Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danyl Mclauchlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I recommend the classic, classic, classic book &quot;The Road to Serfdom&quot;, by Friedrich Hayek.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sweden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I recommend the classic, classic, classic book &#8220;The Road to Serfdom&#8221;, by Friedrich Hayek.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sweden.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adolf, I don&#039;t know specifically on that question, let it be said I would not be surprised.  I would also not be surprised if any surplus not spent on charitable activities called into question the charitable status of the organisation full-stop - ie the organisation could end up with a tax liability on the whole surplus even if some was distributed to charitable purposes.

Like I say, I don&#039;t know.  It would probably depend on the surrounding circumstances and what else was triggering the alarm on that organisation.

We don&#039;t want not-for-profit organisations not being able to retain earnings for future development, that would be disastrous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adolf, I don&#8217;t know specifically on that question, let it be said I would not be surprised.  I would also not be surprised if any surplus not spent on charitable activities called into question the charitable status of the organisation full-stop &#8211; ie the organisation could end up with a tax liability on the whole surplus even if some was distributed to charitable purposes.</p>
<p>Like I say, I don&#8217;t know.  It would probably depend on the surrounding circumstances and what else was triggering the alarm on that organisation.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t want not-for-profit organisations not being able to retain earnings for future development, that would be disastrous.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kiwi_donkey:  sorry, you are wrong.  Field has not been prosecuted.  The police have announced an investigation but the word is that they haven&#039;t actually begun that investigation many weeks later, with no interviews of any of the players having begun.  In other words, the announcement of the investigation was just a piece of Govt spin - in fact, there is no investigation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kiwi_donkey:  sorry, you are wrong.  Field has not been prosecuted.  The police have announced an investigation but the word is that they haven&#8217;t actually begun that investigation many weeks later, with no interviews of any of the players having begun.  In other words, the announcement of the investigation was just a piece of Govt spin &#8211; in fact, there is no investigation</p>
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		<title>By: sonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 04:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we are on the road to serfdom now Phil....

Quite, quite mad.</description>
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<p>Quite, quite mad.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 04:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recommend the classic, classic, classic book &quot;The Road to Serfdom&quot;, by Friedrich Hayek. No, we haven&#039;t got gulags - yet. We HAVE got around 40% of voters, SO FAR, who won&#039;t switch their support away from Our Great Leader no matter what she does - and she knows it. One day, if you&#039;re not one of them, they&#039;ll come for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend the classic, classic, classic book &#8220;The Road to Serfdom&#8221;, by Friedrich Hayek. No, we haven&#8217;t got gulags &#8211; yet. We HAVE got around 40% of voters, SO FAR, who won&#8217;t switch their support away from Our Great Leader no matter what she does &#8211; and she knows it. One day, if you&#8217;re not one of them, they&#8217;ll come for you.</p>
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		<title>By: sonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not the sort of thing Ollie Kamm writes David.

He tends to write more like this

&quot;Attentive - indeed any - readers will note that ignorance of Kalecki&#039;s Principle of Increasing Risk can be seen as the grotesque sophistry that we have come to expect of Chomsky and his undergraduate cultists. Well, old bean, praise for a high and progressive marginal rate of personal taxation clearly points to rank stupidity allied to Fascism. I repeat: this pseudonymous master-intellect&#039;s missive is to be regarded as support for totalitarianism and anti-Semitism. It will not have been lost on anyone in this ng that Chomsky knew full well that he was promoting the benign nature of a Nazi&#039;s bigotry, because it is no less than the type of lunatic flat-earther conspiracy theory that would appeal to the feeble-minded and pro-fascist, and so is eminently well-suited to a Chomsky ng. Note for record: hatred of western democracies and admiration of totalitarianism amounts to the usual snobbery displayed by Chomsky&#039;s groupies.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not the sort of thing Ollie Kamm writes David.</p>
<p>He tends to write more like this</p>
<p>&#8220;Attentive &#8211; indeed any &#8211; readers will note that ignorance of Kalecki&#8217;s Principle of Increasing Risk can be seen as the grotesque sophistry that we have come to expect of Chomsky and his undergraduate cultists. Well, old bean, praise for a high and progressive marginal rate of personal taxation clearly points to rank stupidity allied to Fascism. I repeat: this pseudonymous master-intellect&#8217;s missive is to be regarded as support for totalitarianism and anti-Semitism. It will not have been lost on anyone in this ng that Chomsky knew full well that he was promoting the benign nature of a Nazi&#8217;s bigotry, because it is no less than the type of lunatic flat-earther conspiracy theory that would appeal to the feeble-minded and pro-fascist, and so is eminently well-suited to a Chomsky ng. Note for record: hatred of western democracies and admiration of totalitarianism amounts to the usual snobbery displayed by Chomsky&#8217;s groupies.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DavidW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other mportant plank of a charity is that the donors get some tax relief on their donations whereas NPO&#039;s cannot give that benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other mportant plank of a charity is that the donors get some tax relief on their donations whereas NPO&#8217;s cannot give that benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sonic
so the email that started &quot;well done..&quot; finished something like &quot;... is how your ass should be roasted for tring to fudge the threads of other people&#039;s blogs&quot; ?


More generally though,

Use of the tax system to punish people is really the province of newly emerging Asian democracies.  In Sth Korea in the 1990&#039;s for example you would get a tax audit for having a foreign vehicle registered in your name if you were a local. They have grown through that phase. One would have thought our democracy was mature enough not to allow a Government to wield arbitrary power over its citizenry to this extent.  It smacks of regression to despotic dictatorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sonic<br />
so the email that started &#8220;well done..&#8221; finished something like &#8220;&#8230; is how your ass should be roasted for tring to fudge the threads of other people&#8217;s blogs&#8221; ?</p>
<p>More generally though,</p>
<p>Use of the tax system to punish people is really the province of newly emerging Asian democracies.  In Sth Korea in the 1990&#8242;s for example you would get a tax audit for having a foreign vehicle registered in your name if you were a local. They have grown through that phase. One would have thought our democracy was mature enough not to allow a Government to wield arbitrary power over its citizenry to this extent.  It smacks of regression to despotic dictatorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Adolf Fiinkensein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adolf Fiinkensein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathi, thanks for this.  I have heard it said that any &#039;charity&#039; which does not distribute it&#039;s income for genuinely charitable purposes is likely to be taxed on undistributed income at the company tax rate..  In other words, use it or lose it.  Is this so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathi, thanks for this.  I have heard it said that any &#8216;charity&#8217; which does not distribute it&#8217;s income for genuinely charitable purposes is likely to be taxed on undistributed income at the company tax rate..  In other words, use it or lose it.  Is this so?</p>
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		<title>By: Cathi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent Parker said:

&lt;i&gt;So all the charity would lose is that donations made to them would no longer be tax free.

Nothing else.&lt;/i&gt;

Not so.

Once the Charities Commission register has been running for two years, all not-for-profit organisations including trusts and incorporated societies will need to be registered if they want to keep/obtain exemption from income tax.  

NB tax exemption is from income tax only and will not be and never has been exemption from other tax requirements such as GST.

Tax exemption, once indicated as probably applicable by IRD (which is all the letter you got ever said) is currently policed by self-assessment thereafter.  This will no longer be the case.  Each organisation/company seeking income tax exemption will need to be registered and complete annual returns to keep their exemption.  The returns are more detailed than company annual returns and have questions covering sources of income and types of activity of the entity.  The answers to these questions will allow the Commission to assess whether ongoing income tax exemption is warranted.

I haven&#039;t seen anything on this specifically but I&#039;m picking that if you want tax rebate on donations you make to a charity, that charity will have to be registered.

For its definition of charity, the Commission continues to rely on the &quot;four heads of charity&quot; as outlined in the Elizabethan act (1601 I think): poverty relief, education, religion, public benefit. 

There has been some debate around the role of advocacy and the inclusion/exclusion of sporting bodies. No clear guidelines have emerged on how the Commission will play the advocacy question, it&#039;ll almost certainly be done on a case-by-case basis depending on the organisation&#039;s other activities.  

&lt;b&gt;This is old news.&lt;/b&gt;  The Commission has been through a bill, select committees, an Act, regulation formation and finally aims to open its register in February 2007.  It&#039;s only now that the press have decided to point out that advocacy-only organisations may (only may) have a problem getting registered.

Wake up people.  The time to comment on this was two years ago.

DPF said:

&lt;i&gt;People are confusing the difference between being a not for profit orgn and a charity.&lt;/i&gt;

Plenty of not-for-profit organisations have tax exemption from IRD and will therefore fall under the auspices of the Commission if they want to retain that exemption.  People are confusing the difference between being a not-for-profit organisation and not making a surplus - too often the assumption is that NFPs don&#039;t make surpluses and therefore have no income tax liability anyway.  

I think in the past not-for-profit organisations have been getting tax exemption when they are not strictly charities.  The fourth head of charity has been loosely interpreted and I believe it is this that will be tightened up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent Parker said:</p>
<p><i>So all the charity would lose is that donations made to them would no longer be tax free.</p>
<p>Nothing else.</i></p>
<p>Not so.</p>
<p>Once the Charities Commission register has been running for two years, all not-for-profit organisations including trusts and incorporated societies will need to be registered if they want to keep/obtain exemption from income tax.  </p>
<p>NB tax exemption is from income tax only and will not be and never has been exemption from other tax requirements such as GST.</p>
<p>Tax exemption, once indicated as probably applicable by IRD (which is all the letter you got ever said) is currently policed by self-assessment thereafter.  This will no longer be the case.  Each organisation/company seeking income tax exemption will need to be registered and complete annual returns to keep their exemption.  The returns are more detailed than company annual returns and have questions covering sources of income and types of activity of the entity.  The answers to these questions will allow the Commission to assess whether ongoing income tax exemption is warranted.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen anything on this specifically but I&#8217;m picking that if you want tax rebate on donations you make to a charity, that charity will have to be registered.</p>
<p>For its definition of charity, the Commission continues to rely on the &#8220;four heads of charity&#8221; as outlined in the Elizabethan act (1601 I think): poverty relief, education, religion, public benefit. </p>
<p>There has been some debate around the role of advocacy and the inclusion/exclusion of sporting bodies. No clear guidelines have emerged on how the Commission will play the advocacy question, it&#8217;ll almost certainly be done on a case-by-case basis depending on the organisation&#8217;s other activities.  </p>
<p><b>This is old news.</b>  The Commission has been through a bill, select committees, an Act, regulation formation and finally aims to open its register in February 2007.  It&#8217;s only now that the press have decided to point out that advocacy-only organisations may (only may) have a problem getting registered.</p>
<p>Wake up people.  The time to comment on this was two years ago.</p>
<p>DPF said:</p>
<p><i>People are confusing the difference between being a not for profit orgn and a charity.</i></p>
<p>Plenty of not-for-profit organisations have tax exemption from IRD and will therefore fall under the auspices of the Commission if they want to retain that exemption.  People are confusing the difference between being a not-for-profit organisation and not making a surplus &#8211; too often the assumption is that NFPs don&#8217;t make surpluses and therefore have no income tax liability anyway.  </p>
<p>I think in the past not-for-profit organisations have been getting tax exemption when they are not strictly charities.  The fourth head of charity has been loosely interpreted and I believe it is this that will be tightened up.</p>
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		<title>By: sonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been a weird day like that David, I even got a email from Oliver Kamm that started &quot;Well done&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been a weird day like that David, I even got a email from Oliver Kamm that started &#8220;Well done&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Farrar</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that is twice in a day Sonic we have ended up agreeing.  This is of concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that is twice in a day Sonic we have ended up agreeing.  This is of concern.</p>
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		<title>By: sonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No issue with that David, given recent controversy it should not ony be independent but be seen to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No issue with that David, given recent controversy it should not ony be independent but be seen to be.</p>
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