Helping MPs pay it back
Some Labour MPs are saying they may not be able to afford paying back the money owing. Well I have a solution to help them out.
A backbench MP looks to be up for $5,900. Well if Labour moves to introduce National’s 2005 proposed tax cuts, then they’ll be paying $5,000 less tax which would almost cover their debt.
This way all working NZers would benefit from their actions, not just the 50 of them!
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October 15th, 2006 at 8:35 am
Now they know how we feel about getting a tax bill dumped on us!
Sympathy- it’s between ‘Shit’ and ‘Syphyllis’
October 15th, 2006 at 8:40 am
they are going to struggle a lot more when they become unemployed (unemployable) in about two years) – there will not be much demand for rejected union hacks under a National Government.
October 15th, 2006 at 8:43 am
DPF, you are being watched. This from The Sunday Herald:-
On the website Kiwiblog, an enterprising blogger has calculated the unlawful spending by parties per vote cast. Each Labour vote cost $0.82 and each National vote cost the party 1c.
October 15th, 2006 at 8:49 am
They’ll have to hold out til election year to get anything out of Cullen
October 15th, 2006 at 8:52 am
they have no intention of paying the money back
October 15th, 2006 at 8:57 am
$5,000 is nothing for someone on an income of $125,000 even if he has to borrow the money. He needs to get a grip. I would like to see each Labour MP apologise to the people of New Zealand for what they did. One by one starting with Helen Clark.
October 15th, 2006 at 9:02 am
Tim, this is all part of the conditioning for Labour to say, sometime next year, that they no longer intend to pay back the money. There will be no apology and no repayment.
October 15th, 2006 at 9:20 am
All they have to do is read history and take a leaf out of Whitlam’s book. Ask their nice friends in Iran for a small gift ($10.mil should do)for party funds in return for a pledge that no Iranian Christians will be granted NZ residency. Another $20 mil will be given to the part in return for a pledge of ‘regime-favorable’ foreign policy.
Simple eh?
October 15th, 2006 at 9:25 am
If they are so financially incompetent that they can’t produce $5,000 on what they are being paid along with all the bloody perks we provide for them they have NO business deciding what the hell we do with our money!
Cullen would have to be the worst with errors in his finacial plan of over a billion dollars reguarly and then still managing to “find” a cool half a mill down the back of seat when he needs an election bribe.
Rodney just cut a cheque for over three times that. Smart cars for all Labour MP’s!
October 15th, 2006 at 9:26 am
Redbaiter has put up a guest post on my blog about the state of NZ politics and I agree with every word of it.
I reckon it’s stuffed beyond redemption.
October 15th, 2006 at 9:28 am
Unless the public can see hard-copy evidence that the money is being (or is paid back), this issue will not go away for Labour. Like anyone caught stealing (& lying), it is a long hard road back to credibility.
October 15th, 2006 at 9:36 am
Since the money was allocated the parties funds but spent for the wrong purpose. if they pay it back will the Treasury re allocate the money to the parties for spending for legitmate purposes?
October 15th, 2006 at 9:44 am
I imagine, as was always on the cards, that they will simply up their pay rate to cover the difference. That will be the time for National MPs to speak out and say NO, they don’t want a pay rise.
October 15th, 2006 at 9:49 am
13/16 of the last posts on this issue. I might have to go elsewhere to find out what Nats think about any other issue. If they think about any other issue.
October 15th, 2006 at 9:49 am
Keith. What is your blog?
October 15th, 2006 at 9:53 am
Paul, I don’t like to post a link on someone else’s blog, but if you just click on my name at the bottom of this comment, it’ll take you there. ;O)
October 15th, 2006 at 10:17 am
Lets starting calling Labour’s repayment “reparation”.
October 15th, 2006 at 10:28 am
I would like to see each Labour MP apologise to the people of New Zealand for what they did. One by one starting with Helen Clark.
Indeed! And the only kind of possible apolgy is resignation, refusal to accept any parliamentary pension or perks, and never holding public or civil service or taxpayer funded job ever again
there will not be much demand for rejected union hacks under a National Government.
with any luck it will be illegal to employ rejected union hacks – and there won’t be any benefits ot pensions for the likes of them
October 15th, 2006 at 10:52 am
Sinner, you are a dreamer. But an amusing one. You’re pretty much saying that our entire parliament, bar Jim Anderton, should resign and never come back, because they disputed a bill?
You tories are getting your precious public money back. But the revision of spending rules that is likely to come out from all this is going to harm the Nats more than anyone. Anyone with half a brain can see that the money spent by National on election was considerably more, and this row has opened the door for a good long look at how parties come by their funds. I suspect that in the long run the public is going to ‘lose out’ a lot more when the laws simply change to give all parties a lot more money to spend on electioneering, and a lot less will be allowed through private donation.
And that will seem fair to everyone except tories, of course, whose sausage sizzles will be filled with righteous indignation, that they don’t get to fight an enemy with both hands tied behind it’s back.
October 15th, 2006 at 11:00 am
You’ve actually said something right for a change ben.
The publics money IS precious. Taking it unlawfully is THEFT. The biggest thieves are yours. How proud are you? DPF has said repeatedly prosecute ALL.
Whats your position? Everyone else is bad but commies are good so its alright for them to steal.
Anyone with half a brain can see you commies have lost touch.
I suspect in the long run the public is going to chuck you out.
October 15th, 2006 at 11:13 am
How proud am I? Personally I give no emotional energy to this pathetically boring accounting issue. I don’t lie awake at nights fuming about yet another 50c of my money having been used by government for some purpose or other. I don’t plan to make a public fool of myself by sporting some dumb bumper sticker. I don’t begrudge National the millions they spent electioneering on my purse either, any more than I fume at having to spend $4 for an hour of parking in what used to be my free city. I just accept that a lot of things cost money, and democracy is one of those things. If democracy cost me 1/10th as much as parking in public places does, I’d consider it cheap at the cost.
You can call me a commie, but only because you don’t know anything about me, and thus a position of pig-ignorance is expected.
October 15th, 2006 at 11:16 am
“And that will seem fair to everyone except tories, of course, whose sausage sizzles will be filled with righteous indignation, that they don’t get to fight an enemy with both hands tied behind it’s back.”
get a grip for chrissakes! “one hand tied behind its back”??
A party that’s been given a dream run by the media, that has the largest taxpayer-funded spin machine in the history of NZ politics,that’s been allowed to get away with a litany of corruption and dirty tricks, that’s supported by unions and all kinds of parasitical leeches on other people’s money..has both hands tied behind its back?
I’d hate to see how you’d describe a level playing field, Ben.
October 15th, 2006 at 11:22 am
Well if you want to shameless spin for open corruption and label everyone else as a tory then you pretty much get to take what ever gets thrown back at you.
The red herrrings are so bloody old they’re dusty. Give up.
By the way that sound you hear is laughter.
It’s not yours.
L is for loser.
October 15th, 2006 at 11:49 am
Keith, I never saw any media dream run, but that’s because I’m not partisan. The papers I read slam Labour, always have, probably always will, so long as they themselves are not being promised a tax cut.
Yes, they have union support. Some people, mainly workers who used to get exploited, think that unions aren’t all parasitical leeches. National has big business support, and parasitical leech doesn’t actually seem that far off the money for such companies as Telecom. As for dirty tricks, I really don’t know what planet you are on if you haven’t seen any of the dirty tricks going the other way.
October 15th, 2006 at 11:54 am
Murray, do you actually know what Tory means? It’s not the opposite of commie. Except to pig-ignorant sloganeers.
October 15th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
Ben, you and your equally garrulous sidekick Logix, have been filling up the comments threads on this blog for at least six months dreaming up wankstain arguments in defence of Labours spend up. Don’t try and wriggle out of it now.
BTW: The feeble “National are just as bad” bullshit is something we normally expect of Sonic & PJ
October 15th, 2006 at 1:02 pm
Anyone else recognise the origins of this statement, from Mikhael Kullen on agenda yesterday???
“it’s a good old Labour Party principle that you pay according to your ability to pay”
Well, I guess he’s right in saying its a Labour party principle today, but the words are straight from the mouth of Karl Marx. Its a Marxist principle.
October 15th, 2006 at 1:06 pm
Cullen has said on agenda that the validation legislation will be a confidence measure. National will have to vote against it if that is the way he wants to play it. he will be trying every trick in the book now and National simply has to be on its toes to cause Labour maximum damage.
October 15th, 2006 at 1:09 pm
Matt McCarten declares Labour Corruptly Bought the Election
Given the very slender election result, it is arguable that without spending this money those Cabinet Ministers would be languishing on the opposition benches on half the salary they now enjoy
herald.
October 15th, 2006 at 1:14 pm
Ben Wilson
Everything you have said is summed up by this from one of your posts.
“You tories are getting your precious public money back.”
Classic socialist. It’s not public money, it’s our money…. Bastard tories made us pay it back.
October 15th, 2006 at 3:24 pm
Burt, everything you have ever said is summed up in your attempting to sum up everything I’ve ever said from the use of a pronoun. You don’t have any reasoning at all, just prejudice, and you can read a whole ideology into one word.
October 15th, 2006 at 3:34 pm
Spirit of 76, you read like a party political broadcasts on behalf of the National party. If you have received wankstains, then I suggest you keep you hands off your chop whilst reading my work. I’m stuffed if I can work out what gets you hot about it. Is the appalling and disgusting absence of rude words, that kinks you? Ooo talk clean to me, baby…
I challenge your sorry arse to find one comment on this entire blog where I say Labour shouldn’t pay back the money. Go on son, get wriggling.
October 15th, 2006 at 4:52 pm
Ben, I was referring to the way you always pretend to be some disinterested, neutral observer when really you’re not.
Keep your filthy fantasies to yourself.
October 15th, 2006 at 6:25 pm
Spirit, your writing style is not to my taste either. In particular, your introduction of wankstains to the thread makes it pretty clear it’s your fantasy. And it’s a stink fantasy, man.
October 15th, 2006 at 9:41 pm
National simply has to be on its toes to cause Labour maximum damage.
So they should have 56 solid noconfidence votes:
50 National plus 2 ACT plus 4 Maori.
Where do they get the other 5 votes?
Would the Greens abstain?
Would Peter Dunne break with Helen?
How about: offering any NZF MP other than Winston
a guaranteed slot high on National’s list after the next election?
The problem is the Maorimander – the maori party, labour MPs, and the extra list seats it introduces. Remove the Maorimander — well then National would have been in government for the last 4 years
It’s not enough to stamp out corrupt parties: the maorimander must go too.
October 17th, 2006 at 9:43 pm
*sigh* Whatever. Sure, Ben. Yeah.
Perhaps ‘sanctimonious horseshit’ is a more appropriate euphemism.
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