Pledge Card auction
Well the pledge card auction to raise funds for the Darnton v Clark lawsuit finished with a $700 bid. That’s excellent considering the identical auction, but to raise funds for Labour, went for only $30.
Looks to have been over 80 bids all up. If you have the time, I do recommend reading the entire set of 100+ Qs and As. There’s a lot of great wit there.
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October 21st, 2006 at 10:27 am
DPF: You would have been interested, I suppose, by two polls released today which showed National and Labour basically neck-and-neck: the UMR Insight poll on Agenda this morning with National on 41.7 and Labour on 41.1, and the Roy Morgan poll (http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2006/4095/) with National and Labour both on 40.
As you say, it’s the trends that are important. The previous Morgan poll had National with a 5.5-point lead, which has now vanished. Care to offer an opinion on the cause of this turn-around?
October 21st, 2006 at 10:33 am
Oh, and also talking of trends, your last polling newsletter had National with an average 8.1-point lead in the second half of September (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/10/sep_2006_polling_newsletter.html). Any views on why this whopping lead might have evaporated (in these two polls anyway) in the first two weeks of October, the very weeks that the pledge card issue was reaching a climax (including the release of the AG’s report)? It seems very odd to me.
October 21st, 2006 at 10:36 am
Yes it does seem counter-intuitive. Most of the Roy Morgan poll pre-dated the AG report into the spending. I’m not yet sure what dates the UMR poll was taken over – it may have also been mainly pre-AG.
To some degree polls in the middle of big fights are not that important. What is more impt is how things look a couple of months down the track. Has Party A or B settled into a rating higher or lower than before the big fight?
October 21st, 2006 at 12:42 pm
Morgan’s polling, methodology and analysis has been treated as suspect for quite some time in Australia (http://ozpolitics.info/blog/ has a habit of slicing and dicing their results) so I would take any of their polls with a grain of salt. Even the ones National are ahead.
October 21st, 2006 at 12:46 pm
*ahead in.
Ooops.
October 21st, 2006 at 1:14 pm
Labour’s strategies could well be working. That is quite feasible. But I think it will only store up trouble.
National, even when you disagree with them, tend to govern with what they regard as everybodies’ best interests in mind. They think the best thing for the poor is self reliance and motivation to improve their lot, rather than welfare. You might disagree, but at least the intentions are honest.
This government seems to govern for about 40% of the electorate, maybe 60%. Their attitude to the other 40% seems to be that they can get f***ked.
So Labour might get back in. But they might well have alienated 40% of the population to an unprecendented degree. And they don’t seem to care. That seems most unwise, especially in the age of globalisation and an international skills shortage.
October 21st, 2006 at 1:22 pm
If the polls are to be believed it says 41% of kiwis have no problem with the present doings of the government. I find this very sad, 41% of New Zealenders are now happy to be governed by a corrupt government. You have to wonder what would upset these people enough to say no to this type of leadership.
Prehaps it is as the Chinese say, a fish rots form the head down. It would seem the rot has now nearly poisoned half the country.
October 21st, 2006 at 1:49 pm
sideshow,
Actually it is much worse than that. Given that only 0.5% are supporting Jim Anderton’s Progressives, the ONLY party not to “illegally” spend PS funding, you have to conclude that 99.5% of New Zealanders are now happy to governed by corrupt government.
Seems like the whole red herring has gone right off.
October 21st, 2006 at 2:04 pm
PS I got my Pledge Card for a bargin. I heard some clown with more money than sense paid over $700 for their’s.
October 21st, 2006 at 2:24 pm
Yes quite true Redrag but do you not think that maybe you are been a bit economical with the truth.
All parties except the Progressives were caught with their fingers in the till but if it has escaped your notice not all partys voted for a get out of jail card. I think you will find that most Kiwis were not happy with the free and easy spending of taxpayers money and were happy that most partys wanted to “pay it back”, of course we will never no if this has happened.
What most Kiwis are spewing about is the circus we saw this week. This situation may not concern you in the least but this says more about you and what you stand for, not a lot!!
October 21st, 2006 at 2:27 pm
Working clas New Zealanders are not as stupid as you righties seem to think, and they will not fall for campaigns of distraction.
They understand the real issues. The fact of the matter is thousands of working class New Zelanders rallied in Queen Street against Wayne Mapp’s bill to strip workers of their right, whereas so far you guys couldn’t fill a telephone box with your (non existant) anti-government pledge card rallies.
October 21st, 2006 at 2:29 pm
kiwi_donkey, Labour will not get back in if a small percentage of those who have signed the petition do more than just sign the petitions and post to blogs. It should be obvious that National is the only party that can get rid of this corrupt government. If some of these people become National Party members and are prepared to actively support National it can make a difference.
When we have a Prime Minister who is prepared to her personal interest a way ahead of that of the country it will be not that easy to dislodge this corrupt government. There are obviously more people below the average wage than above it. There are also more tenants than landlords and more employees than employers. Some people who have few assets and are on a low income are there through little fault of their own. However, many are there because they are short term thinkers. Low at the areas where the poker machines are.
If you offer someone like that $100/week with the working for families bribe they are likely to take it. If Labour offers them another week annual leave they fail to take into account that a little way down the track it could cost them their job. If tenancy laws favour the tenant too much this will create a shortage of rental housing.
I have only recently got involved with National. I was active with ACT for a few years. I switched to National for a few reasons. However, the main one is that only National can get rid of Labour. Labour is going to rig the election laws to favour themselves. Is important that National have as many members as possible to help with signage, pamphlets, etc.
October 21st, 2006 at 2:44 pm
My word, Labour is polling even higher than they were in the days before the election (trends within the Morgan poll itself would suggest it is overgenerous to National also).
This whole electioneering non story gained no traction eh? And you put in so much effort too.
October 21st, 2006 at 2:59 pm
“If tenancy laws favour the tenant too much it will create a shortage of rental property”
Yes, I will certainly burn my portfolio to the ground.
“If Labour promise an extra week annual leave they fail to realise it could cost them their job”
Yes, it has been so catastrophic for the Australian economy.
“If you offer someone $100 per week (bribe? for what exactly?) they are likely to take it”
Yes, shame on the selfish poor.
October 21st, 2006 at 3:45 pm
James, I bet you have university degree paid for by the taxpayer to come out with such nonsense. Landlord’s have the option still of changing their investments. Employers can move offshore as many have done. And many skilled workers who do not qualify for the bribe will take their skills offshore. There will eventually come a time when there will not be enough taxpayer to pay all the beneficiaries.
October 21st, 2006 at 4:07 pm
‘not be enough taxpayers to pay all the beneficiaries’ gosh and I thought the government was running a massive surplus. You might want to open the curtains and have a look outside Chuck, the sun is shining.
October 21st, 2006 at 4:26 pm
And when landlords ‘change their investments’ the houses vanish do they Chuck?
October 21st, 2006 at 4:30 pm
Rocket Boy, have you worked out how many taxpayers there will for each beneficary is 20 or 30 years time? If Labour gets in again and more taxpayers leave New Zealand’s standard of lived will drop more and more compared with Australia.
October 21st, 2006 at 4:41 pm
It has been shown conclusively time & time again recently that we presently have a
goverment that has no honesty or integrity & is solely concerned with power for the sake of power.
Some Commentaters have pointed out that the Goverment is still as popular as they ever were & they they are quite right to say so..
It almost goes without saying that honesty & integrity aren’t valued anymore & I only have refer to present polling to prove it.
However I think were in dangerous times, retrospective laws are potentially very dangerous , after all, he who controls the present controls the past..
October 21st, 2006 at 5:01 pm
It’s amusing to see lefties in here saying they have no problem with labour’s behaviour.
Of course they don’t–in order to support Labour they have to be as corrupt and principles-free as their hero Helen.
Show me a Labour supporter and I’ll show you someone who’s had an ethics bypass.
October 21st, 2006 at 5:21 pm
“Yes it does seem counter-intuitive. Most of the Roy Morgan poll pre-dated the AG report into the spending. I’m not yet sure what dates the UMR poll was taken over – it may have also been mainly pre-AG.”
Wow, is that the best you can offer dpf. Surly the polling for labour would be going up after the AGs report considering they agreed then they would return the money.
Now where were all those wolfish right-wingers who were saying last week “I cant wait till the next batch of polls”? – because here they are – read them and weep.
Oh to be a fly on the wall in WhaleOil’s, Redbaiter’s, burt’s and Chuck Bird’s house this morning.
How sick are Brash and his team feeling now? This was the last chance to keep him as leader and if he cant turn the polls in his favour over this, well his days are numbered.
The only question that remains is how long till we see the return of the emails being leaked again from within National. And they are coming from within National bud.
October 21st, 2006 at 9:42 pm
Actually the question is when is Labour going to release the so-called lowdown they have on National regarding these emails – and how did they get the information? I believe they promised the good folk of NZ a few weeks back something to this effect? Might have been while the PM was defending hubby.
October 21st, 2006 at 11:38 pm
not That Girl
Close, it was while she was worried the EB’s secret nasty investigator guys were going to spill the real story on Dear Leader and Davis in LAX. But we have heard neither full story so I guess she has more power than they have dirt.
October 22nd, 2006 at 7:30 am
I don’t know about more dirt as the pile is considerable ? You are right as the powerful sisterhood have mastered the art of cover -ups and cop -outs. The dirt on helengards side kick peter d has been pushed to the back of the room on purpose ? However I feel that it won’t be up to joe average citizen endangering himself trying to reveal the truth about the shameful historic incidents that have occured.The information will come from within a ever increasingly disgrunted fraternity of lieboorites, as many feel let down by the actions of a despot, and many know the truth will be exposed one day and they don’t want to be part of the swindle of sexuality that will shock the world. Bring it on . I await the day .
October 22nd, 2006 at 7:47 am
“If the courts of common law do not uphold the rights of the individuals by granting effective remedies, they invite anarchy, for
nothing breeds social disorder as quickly as the sense of injustice which is apt to be generated by the unlawful invasion of a person’s rights, particular when the invader is a government official”
October 22nd, 2006 at 8:36 am
Working clas New Zealanders are not as stupid as you righties seem to think, and they will not fall for campaigns of distraction.
They understand the real issues. The fact of the matter is thousands of working class New Zelanders rallied in Queen Street against Wayne Mapp’s bill to strip workers of their right
TomS – you start so well, then contradict your own argument. That thousands of people rallied against Wayne Mapps bill shows how much they do fall for campaigns of distraction. Every person I’ve spoken to who went on the march went on it because they wer suckered by the Greens propaganda. After a reasoned debate with them on what the bill was actually going to do they all said they wouldn’t have protested if they had realised that. Admittidly that was because they would have been apathetic – not in active support – but they were only in opposition because they were “as stupid as you righties seem to think”.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
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