Electronic Bail

January 19th, 2007 at 7:26 am by David Farrar

In 2005 Phil Goff and the Ministry of Justice recommended against introducing electronic bail, but Cabinet went ahead anyway.

The Ministry states the case against succintly:

“If the primary purpose of EM (electronic monitoring) is to reduce inmate numbers, eligibility must be targeted to those who would otherwise be remanded in custody.

However, defendants remanded in custody are more likely to have characteristics or criminal histories that would make them unsuitable for release on bail with EM.”

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15 Responses to “Electronic Bail”

  1. tim barclay () says:

    So what. There are cases where EM is suitable and Judges are experienced enough to decide these matters and are paid to take the responsibility. There are mistakes sure. But leaving someone in jail who would be suitable for EM is also a mistake.

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  2. GPT () says:

    More likely is not 100%. Great care would have to be exercised in relation to violence offending that would otherwise have resulted in bail being denied but EM might provide relevant protection for, eg: property offences.

    As a matter of praticality EM is not a great idea if a person is likely to be convicted. Although it is basically Home D it does not count as time served.

    Perhaps the best criticism is that very few applications have been made and even less granted. In otherwords even the govt’s stated aim of reducing remand prisoners has not been met.

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  3. gd () says:

    And talking about bail Whats the name of the dim blub Judge who let the associate of Burton out on bail. The associate is alleged to have had a cache of arms and ammunition and $50K of unaccountable case.Is the learned judge given a two fingered salute to the citizerns or is he or she just plain dumb. I think we should be told.

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  4. gd () says:

    And talking about bail Whats the name of the dim blub Judge who let the associate of Burton out on bail. The associate is alleged to have had a cache of arms and ammunition and $50K of unaccountable cash.Is the learned judge given a two fingered salute to the citizerns or is he or she just plain dumb. I think we should be told.

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  5. gd () says:

    And talking about bail Whats the name of the dim blub Judge who let the associate of Burton out on bail. The associate is alleged to have had a cache of arms and ammunition and $50K of unaccountable cash.Is the learned judge given a two fingered salute to the citizerns or is he or she just plain dumb. I think we should be told.

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  6. dad4justice () says:

    Despite police opposing the bracelet for some offenders whom face life if convicted the loony left social experiment just keeps on keeping on.

    It doesn’t matter that it is dangerous to the public .It has already proved itself to be a failure on several occasions.

    The system has not the capacity for anymore remand prisoners and the Department of Corrections budget blowouts creating more remand beds is truly horrendous.

    It is yet another insidious mistake from a Government that couldn’t give a toss about it’s people.

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  7. Psycho Milt () says:

    Absolutely. Dubious bail decisions are only made by judges during periods of centre-left govt, and no National cabinet ever made a bad decision for the sake of saving money. Do voices in your head give you this stuff Dad4justice, or is it actual considered opinion?

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  8. dad4justice () says:

    Psycho Milt – one day you learn that a man with experience is not at the mercy of a nutbar with an argument .

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  9. gd () says:

    So Psycho You obviously have no worries about a guy found in possession of guns and ammo and most likely with a crim record longer than both our arms wandering the streets of our fair land because a learned member of the judicary says no problem. And this aint an isolated case. This has now become the norm. We have a revolving door policy that sees the mad and or the bad let free.And then surprise surprise when the Burton thing happens we are told this is a one off incident never happened before and how could anyone forsee the possiblilty?.Because thats what Carruthers said after the Burton case That was of course after the Parole Board and the Minister first refused to comment gutless pack of arseholes that they all are.One can only have the utmost contempt for fools who act incompetently and then deny any fault in their actions.If one wasnt so compassionate then it would be a case of suggesting perhaps one of their nearest and dearest becomes the next victim of their collective lunacy.

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  10. Psycho Milt () says:

    Trouble with reading comprehension, gd? The fact that bad bail decisions are made depressingly often isn’t lost on me. I merely have problems with mouth-frothers like Dad4j claiming bad bail decisions are some kind of left-wing conspiracy. When a man is making a fool of himself in public, it’s only a courtesy to point it out to him.

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  11. baxter () says:

    Words fail me really. We reap what the politicians sow…Don’t worry, No-one will take responsibility for the Burton fiasco least of all the Judges. They tend to come from sheltered upbringing and have little experience of the reality of criminal streetlife, and having been victimless themselves, have no empathy with the pain of victims.

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  12. gd () says:

    My apologies psycho. It just makes me so mad to have these crazy dumb decisions being made over and over again when not even 20/20 vision would tell you that letting the person out on bail or parolling them is going to result in a bad outcome. Is it because as I have suggested before the people in the system become so used to the situation that they are numbed as to the consequences? Is that they are deaf and blind to public opinion? Are they just being bloody minded and cocking a snoot to us?

    The reoffending rates are so horrendous only blind Freddy would be happy with them ButI dont see any real attempt to tackle the problem, We have had committees inquries etc etc and no improvement.

    Any common sense suggestion is poo pooed by the geniuses who then cock it up.

    There is no will to try any new approach.Its broke and it needs fixing and it needs getting the current people involved out and fresh people in.

    As baxter says the first problem is no one will stand up and take personal responsibility. All of them suffer from the delusion of the Kings clothes syndrome.None will take ownership of the problem.

    Good grief I have had pollies try and tell me its all my fault and with a straight face and then sulk when I give them an earful and tell them its their job to carry out my and the peoples wishes especially when their own ideas fail.

    The great pity is we are an apathetic society. We dont march on the Parliament and demand heads on spikes but maybe thats what its going to take to get the current lot of their arses and into action.
    Maybe we need to work towards agreeing some simple KPIs that the pollies are told to either meet or foxtrot oscar.

    Like say a reduction in the reoffending rate by x% over y years with independent audit(dont trust the bastards to do their own).

    Lets tell tehm what WE want rather than just leaving it to them to make it up as they go along. Like water they will always find the easiest way to bottom of the hill.

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  13. dad4justice () says:

    Hey psycho milt you deranged turnip what a load of crap namely when you regurgitate ;

    “I merely have problems with mouth-frothers like Dad4j claiming bad bail decisions are some kind of left-wing conspiracy.”

    Don’t you know all about our leftie activist judges .Remember justice fisher and his problem with porn??….. oh yes another sweep under carpet leftie job ………yeah I got a long list of judges who do drugs …. you want the list mate – email me and I give you their names .You want proof how sick this left wing conspiracy country is then ask me sicko !!! I am no fool I got the proof …evidence mate !!!And very good protection you wanker . Time for big clean up mate ….you got a problem with that !!!

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  14. Rex Widerstrom () says:

    I guess it would be too bloody obvious to suggest that the best way to create more remand beds for those arrested for violent offences would be to stop imprisoning people for non-violent offences?

    If you’re not eligible to face a prison term for the crime of which you’re accused, you’re not going to be remanded in custody. Therefore the bed you’d occupy is available for the rapist, mugger, or murderer who’s up before the judge after you.

    Rather than shipping non-violent offenders off to prison ‘farms’ where they get to potter about in the garden and play a spot of golf (while their victims get bugger all in many cases and their families struggle on a benefit) put them to work in the community.

    Rather than the huge cost of keeping them confined, allocate a lesser amount as their nominal “pay”. Hand them just enough to cover their food and lodging and divide the rest between their dependents and their victims.

    Of course having harmless people (in terms of physical risk) locked up means the pollies can claim they’re “tough on law ‘n’ order”.

    As soon as we voters stop falling for that bullshit the prisons will clear of all but those from whom we need protection and there’ll be enough remand places for those we’re not sure about.

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  15. GPT () says:

    “If you’re not eligible to face a prison term for the crime of which you’re accused, you’re not going to be remanded in custody.”

    This is true, you’re also not going to be bailed. If you don’t turn up the matter will simply be set down for formal proof and you will get your fine in the mail. There are not a great number of offences that do not have at least 3 months imprisonment.

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