The CYFSWATCH Blog
There is fault on both sides in relation to the CYFSWATCH Blog. Let’s work through the issues, one by one:
Is there anything wrong with a blog which scrutinises a Govt Dept?
By itself, no. Blogs are all about giving a voice to, and empowering the individual. When people get bad service at a restaurant they blog it.
In a general sense, it can be a good thing for Govt Depts (or any organisation) to know that every person they deal with has an outlet in which they can air grievances if they are treated badly.
Is it unfair to target individual staff?
Yes and no. Teachers have to put up with rate my teacher dot com. Journalists get rated individually every day on blog sites. However the way it is being done here seems vindictive. They only want bad stories and requesting photos, car registration details borders on harassment.
So is this CYFSWATCH blog okay?
No, in my opinion parts of it are disgraceful.
If the blog was being used to describe in detail wrongs done to families, with a minimum of vilification it could be a valuable resource. In fact one or two of the later posts are heart wrenching and do just that.
But posts which refer to staff as “this bitch” and comment on their personal appearances are just nasty. Also many posts make comments which appear to be highly defamatory and unprovable.
The naming of staff is different to say naming a staff member who gives you bad restaurant service. In most situations your relationship with a staff member should always be positive. You should get good service from a waiter, you should get good encouragement from a teacher or lecturer. So to have a bad experience is comparatively unusual.
CYFS staff though by the nature of their jobs are involved in deeply emotional and confrontational episodes with families. I doubt a single staff member goes through a month without having a family member very upset with them. It is the nature of their jobs.
Having said that, I have no doubt some CYFS staff have done very bad things but nevertheless the actual naming and vilification of CYFS staff is undesirable. The call for photos and contact details is deplorable (I note though none have been published yet).
If the site used initials instead of names, and got rid of the more personally offensive posts, then they may find they get a lot more sympathy. Some of the stories on the site are heart wrenching, but of course there may be another side to them.
Is the Government right to try and close the blog down?
No. It breaks no laws that I know of and we should be concerned that the Police e-crime unit are involved in trying to have it taken down. The proper remedy for CYFS is to sue for defamation and/or seek an injunction against the (anonymous) publisher. If a case can be made for harassment, then again that should go to court.
Are you going to link to the site?
No. Lots of other blogs have done so making it easy to find. But at the end of the day I don’t want to link to a site which I disapprove of (in its current format). Yes I linked to neo-nazi sites in the past, but that was for the purpose of humiliating them and showing how pathetic they are.
January 24th, 2007 at 10:03 am
> If the site used initials instead of names, and got rid of the more personally offensive posts.
Just like your blog does.
Maybe you’d like to think more carefully before rushing into print.
January 24th, 2007 at 10:06 am
I’ve not looked at the website, but would imagine that CYFS would have a hard time making out a cause of action. Corporate defamation is hard at the best of times, but I find it difficult to imagine a government department could ever succeed (an SOE, maybe, but a ministry would find it near impossible to establish financial loss).
Individual staff members would be better placed of course, but injunction is not a remedy the courts like to use in defamation cases.
January 24th, 2007 at 10:14 am
I’ve read a lot of the site and I aggree that they’ve essentially failed by over the top name calling and abuse. Clearly some very angry people out there.
However there is a lot there that should be in the public arena.
However I wont be linking them either unless they make an effort to look a bit more professional.
Less anger more cold blooded relation of information would make the assault on it by CYPS (and TV1 last night) a lot less easy to justify.
The claims by CYFS that there are options for people with issues is simply a lie. They are not held accountable.
January 24th, 2007 at 10:16 am
well i think everyone should see that site, particularly CYFS management who might want to reflect and to be a bit more professional about who they employ and how they manage their caseloads.
If you give people the power to break families up, it seems reasonable to expect a bit of transparency, hence I am pretty relaxed about naming names.
There are a lot of seriously hurting people wanting to talk about how CYFS has treated them on that site – yes some of them are exaggerating, and probably a few/even many have brought their situation on themselves, but thats a lot of wrecked and stressed families that I thought CYFS was supposed to be trying to help.
Maybe the focus on the kids but not helping the parents isnt such a clever idea after all?
January 24th, 2007 at 10:17 am
Graeme,
I would’ve thought that defamation could only succeed if the allegations are false. Are they? Maybe the social workers named would like to refute the allegations, assuming they are indeed false.
January 24th, 2007 at 10:26 am
The Peter Ellis website also contains a hall of shame – coincidentally many are also social workers – so I don’t know what the big deal is. Anyone can post on the cyfswatch blog, so it can’t be accused of being unbalanced.
I see a similarity between the Family Court and CYFS in that many people are clearly frustrated with both and feel their concerns are not being treated fairly. Maybe an independent tribunal could deal with these concerns.
http://www.peterellis.org.nz/people/index.htm
January 24th, 2007 at 10:27 am
I tried in vain to make cyfs accountable for the destruction of my family as a plaintiff in litigation, however I ended up owing hundred of dollars to the Ministry of Justice.
I am 100 per cent behind the site and I couldn’t give a continental what others think
RIP –mum .
January 24th, 2007 at 10:36 am
It is easy to criticise people who work in the difficult field of child protection. They get slammed when they take action (breaking up families) and slammed when they do not (why oh why did no-one do anything)
Imagine a similar site where criminals posted up the details of police officers, prosecution laywers and judges. Would anyone be defending that?
Even from this blog we can see that, perhaps understandably, some of those on the receiving end of family court, CYFS decisions can become emotional about the treatment they have recieved. I’m not for shutting any blog down (something that is impossible anyway) but at least we should all recognise that CYFS are not a sinister group of conspirators, but people trying to do a job, a job that I certainly have not the skill and patience for.
January 24th, 2007 at 10:41 am
> Imagine a similar site where criminals posted up the details of police officers, prosecution laywers and judges. Would anyone be defending that?
Yes, let’s imagine that. Now let’s come back to reality.
> we should all recognise that CYFS are not a sinister group of conspirators, but people trying to do a job, a job that I certainly have not the skill and patience for.
I agree but that’s no excuse for bad decision-making. Surely, those reponsible for bad decisions should be held accountable, espeically where the consequences of those decisions have been disastrous?
January 24th, 2007 at 10:42 am
Ross – defamation can only succeed if the allegations are false.
According to the TV One report last night one of the caseworkers mentioned was called a murderer – that shouldn’t be too difficult to disprove.
Breach of privacy can of course only succeed if the information is accurate…
January 24th, 2007 at 10:50 am
ah sonic and his straw man arguments again, the voice of reason as brought to you by the wise and benevolent government.
Actually I don’t doubt that criminals share information about the police, but i very much doubt that they would get any sympathy for this – unless you really think that families who fall into CYFS hands should be treated as criminals, in which case maybe your analogy is more apt than you may care to reveal.
Nor does anyone think that CYFS are a bunch of conspirators (strawman #2). What they are however is a group of bureacrats with considerable power to destroy families – families who can be incredibly vulnerable when they come into contact with the bureacrats. Why shouldnt they be held accountable for their behaviour?
And on the topic of what a great job they do – Anyone here still think Peter Ellis was ritually abusing kids in Christchurch? What about the one he was supposed to have eaten? If they can do that to him and his co-workers, what are they doing to other innocents?
January 24th, 2007 at 10:52 am
Nigel, if you think anonymous character assassination on a blog is a legitimate means of “holding people accountable” then I don’t really know what I can say.
January 24th, 2007 at 10:54 am
If the social workers, C4C., were all peer reviewed, maybe they would be able to be held accountable for what are questional decisions
in the eyes of some bloggers.
This is a use of unqualified staff to knowing operate outside of the law , which actually proves very helpful for KPI’s., while the senior staff can deny knowledge, but still accept the rewards.
I don’t CYP’s is alone with useing this policy to gain financially KPI’s ‘without the support of the law’.
January 24th, 2007 at 10:57 am
well you could try saying nothing. A novel innovation I know, but if your wise and benevolent Government practiced the new standards of accountability it campaigned on, perhaps desperate people wouldn’t need to resort to desperate means?
And while you are at it, sacked Field and paid the stolen election money back yet?
Don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
January 24th, 2007 at 10:59 am
Sonic – “It is easy to criticise people who work in the difficult field of child protection. They get slammed when they take action (breaking up families) and slammed when they do not (why oh why did no-one do anything)”
Easy solution – get the state out of people’s lives
Reading those people’s stories I was reminded about a few programmes I saw on the History channel about the Gestapo and the SS. These CYFS workers are going down the same track. Unaccountable actions, Lack of compassion, Presumption of right, Citizens scared into silence. Scary when you think about it
January 24th, 2007 at 11:02 am
“Easy solution – get the state out of people’s lives”
I’ll remember that next time you cooment on aa case like the Kahui twins .
I see Nigel has run out of points, thanks for thr thoughtful contribution mate. Always a pleasure.
January 24th, 2007 at 11:06 am
DPF.I predict you will get close to a record number of comments on this subject. For those who have had or, know people who have had their lives destroyed by this organisation (read “people’) and who have no culpability in law, is a matter that has gone unaddressed for too long. Hopefully, this might now act as catalyst for some fundamental changes.
January 24th, 2007 at 11:11 am
David, would you be prepared to name the people who have posted some of the stuff on that site. I know of at least one, although this person is not the site administrator.
January 24th, 2007 at 11:12 am
Here is an example of the site giving us “accountability”
” **** is a troll of a woman: 5 feet 2 in shoes, an ideal Weight Watchers “before” model, and a CYFS feminazi par excellence! This cow has the compassion of a jackboot and the professional discernment of a disinterested slug. **** holds a Diploma in Social Work (sort of like a Diploma in Hairdressing, but without the cred), and has been dealing to families for years. She has a particular dislike of anyone who pees standing up, and can ruin the most convivial Family Group Conference. ***** is in serious need of a mental health assessment, as has been evidenced by her often erratic and bizarre behaviour…If anyone has a photo of this evil, evil woman who has a family “body count” worthy of “Saving Private Ryan”, and some up to date contact details, please email it to us at ****** and we will post them up. In the meantime, please feel free to make your own enquiries of ***** work via email. She may be reached at ********@cyf.govt.nz”
Nice
January 24th, 2007 at 11:14 am
David, would you be prepared to name the people who have posted some of the stuff on that site. I know of at least one, although this person is not the site administrator.
January 24th, 2007 at 11:16 am
Thin skin you have there today sonic – so, only “legitimate” transparency is to be permitted?
What forms do I have to send into CYFS to be permitted to legitimately criticise them? Am I permitted to know the process by which they will deem my criticism to be “legitimate”?
If I was a scared parent, would I take comfort from not knowing that my having the temerity to criticise the social worker wouldnt result in payback?
This whole area looks like an almighty can of worms, but of course sonic to the rescue, its all the fault of those non-legitimate critics.
Interestingly that the issues Sonic gets all excitable about trying to hose down are those that worry the Government most, so perhaps the opposition should continue to use him as an effective leading indicator?
January 24th, 2007 at 11:21 am
carry on sonic, the more you bluster, the more people will go and read the site – clever move there.
Good to see you cherry picked the personal attack, what about the story from the mother at the end of her tether with her 3year old who got pushed out of her home when she pleaded for help? or maybe thats not “legitimate” enough for you either?
January 24th, 2007 at 11:21 am
“only “legitimate” transparency is to be permitted?”
So how about this Nigel
“Photos of any and all offending parties are welcome, together with private and public addresses, contact details, car registrations, etc.”
“What forms do I have to send into CYFS to be permitted to legitimately criticise them?”
I do not know if you have noticed but no-one is kicking in anyone’s door for criticing CYFS. I do however have reservations about web sites that appeal for photos and car registrations of people they are demonising.
I know you have issues with the present government Nigel, however even you have to admit that this is not defensible.
January 24th, 2007 at 11:29 am
Reminds me also of the babies stolen from their mothers in the 60s and early 70s in Australia and put out for adoption. Very scary once you start giving the state extraordinary powers without accountability.
Also, very weak and hipocritical of DPF not to link to the CYFSWATCH blog. I would prefer if I made my decision on the site and not you – are you a control freak or just put out because this blog is getting more media coverage than yours? You have linked to worse garbage than this in the past, get over yourself and stop this nonsense censorship.
January 24th, 2007 at 11:33 am
The arrogant, un-professional and dictator-like response from the head of this organistation to this matter, sums up nicely the culture of the entire department and says it all.
January 24th, 2007 at 11:34 am
Still coming back for more sonic? Strangely I have issues with any government that gives unaccountable power to bureacrats – call me a libertarian on that point.
Personally I don’t think that photos or contact details helps the site’s case at all – except insofar as its difficult to then argue that the posters are making things up.
But if the intention was to draw attention to the issues, and to scare up the pollies into acting, i would say that the blog is acting like an almighty flypaper – you’re certainly wriggling nicely.
As I said, the more you try and hose it down, the more people are going to go and have a look. Many of them will form their own views, without your guidance.
January 24th, 2007 at 11:36 am
“Personally I don’t think that photos or contact details helps the site’s case at all”
Thanks, that is what I am saying, apology accepted.
Try and listen to the issues next time Nigel puppt.
January 24th, 2007 at 11:37 am
Is there a similar site for Inland Revenue personnel?
January 24th, 2007 at 11:37 am
“Personally I don’t think that photos or contact details helps the site’s case at all”
Thanks, that is what I am saying, apology accepted.
Try and listen to the issues next time Nigel rather than leaping in like an ill-trained puppy.
January 24th, 2007 at 11:45 am
“pet” analogy there sonic? you always seem to roll it out when you have lost an argument.
In fact it seems you got so excited about it that you hit post prematurely – never mind, I understand that this condition can be treated medically these days.
Let the re-education continue…which way to the gulag comrade?
January 24th, 2007 at 11:48 am
“which way to the gulag comrade”
No-one could ever accuse Nigel of reaching could they…
January 24th, 2007 at 11:52 am
When has it been acceptable for the State to take children away from their families?
January 24th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
> if you think anonymous character assassination on a blog is a legitimate means of “holding people accountable” then I don’t really know what I can say.
Let me see if I have this straight. The blog administrator should not be anonymous but the social workers whose decisions may have had disastrous consequences should be. Hmmm. It must be the season for shooting the messenger.
January 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
When has it been acceptable for the State to take children away from their families?
Posted by David | January 24, 2007 11:52 AM
…Well, soon it will be when they introduce the anti-smacking legislation. If CYF’s think they have a fight on their hands now, it will become all out war then.
January 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
“the social workers whose decisions may have had disastrous consequences should be”
Nice attempt but since when are social workes anonymous.
Do you agree with a website that asks for photographs, home addresses and car registrations of people it is demonising?
January 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
> “She may be reached at ********@cyf.govt.nz”
That’s her work address which is, correctly, available to the public. No need to delete the name unless you want public servants to be unaccountable and non-contactable.
January 24th, 2007 at 12:16 pm
> Nice attempt but since when are social workers anonymous.
So you do agree with the naming of social workers. Why did it take you so long to say so?
January 24th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
> Do you agree with a website that asks for photographs, home addresses and car registrations of people it is demonising?
No, I don’t – any more than I agree with bad decisions that have led to the deaths of children and the breaking up of families. Which one is worse?
January 24th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
> Do you agree with a website that asks for photographs, home addresses and car registrations of people it is demonising?
No, I don’t – any more than I agree with bad decisions that have led to the deaths of children and the breaking up of families. Which one is worse?
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To invoke change, sometimes their need to be some sacrificial lambs (Similar perhaps to going to war where soldiers get killed). This is an emotive issue and where an individual has no right of redress against the state and becomes depleted of self-esteem, emotional fortitude and resources, then viva le internet, I say.
January 24th, 2007 at 12:32 pm
“When has it been acceptable for the State to take children away from their families?”
When family members abuse their children, then the rest of the family does nothing to protect the children.
January 24th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
for those who “can’t be assed trying to find the link somewhere else and would just like to see the blog ffs” the address is
[prettyobviouswhatgoeshere].blogspot.com
January 24th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Surely a site outing anon net trolls should be in order soon – Don’t you think Sonic?
January 24th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
Sonic is having a sandwhich in the staff cafeteria, and discussing the situation with Helen.
January 24th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
I see that devoid of a point on the actual issue you go back to discussing little old me.
Rather sad chaps.
January 24th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
> “When has it been acceptable for the State to take children away from their families?”
> When family members abuse their children, then the rest of the family does nothing to protect the children.
And what happens when family members don’t abuse their children but they are denied access to them? What should happen then? What should happen to the social workers involved?
January 24th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
This is statutory social work, social workers do not make decisions. They do what the statutes say they should do. If pieces of shit cannot look after their kids the state steps in.
BTW, could we have a site which names and shames the likes of dad4justice. Hows about it Peter Burns, will you post the contents of the CYFs files regarding yourself and the decisions made or will you hide behind POI act?.
January 24th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Sonic. Is this pointy enough for you…
A-C-C-O-U-N-T-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y.
Now, go away and look up its meaning, theres a good chap.
January 24th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
My thoughts on the site, as posted there …
I’m still in two minds about this site.
I immediately mistrust any claims that are presented anonymously, and think that a site solely for that purpose is a haven for those who want to defame others under a cloak of anonymity. The ability to anonymously accuse someone is a hallmark of an unjust system – an extreme example being the Inquisition, where the accused were prohibited from knowing the identities of their accusers, and often even the details of the accusations.
However, I also understand that there are a great many people unhappy with CYFS, and the complaints / dispute resolution process they have in place – and who might be fearful to speak out publicly in case of reprisals. I also have a grave mistrust of Government departments in general, and that mistrust has been further reinforced by the immediate attempts to shut this site down.
The issue I still have to work out is whether Government workers have a right to privacy in the course of conducting their work. That is, I think, what ultimately determines the morality of this site.
Having got that off my chest, might I make a few suggestions from a technical perspective?
January 24th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Okay, so that was weird … the blog software trimmed the last line off that indicated I’d snipped the technical advice, and took the italics off all but the first line of the quote.
January 24th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
“A-C-C-O-U-N-T-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y.”
Does that involve home addresses, photos and car registration numbers?
January 24th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
in your case Sonic – quite possibly
January 24th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
Sonic. Not normally, no. However, since it is a matter of written policy in nearly every state and local body entity, that no individual is to be held personally responsible for screw-ups, but rather, it is the ‘team’ is to be held responsible. Like any organisation, it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch. Since it is pratically impossible to get ‘fired’ from any govt department these days, these CYF’s incompentents are free to carry on with their modus oparandi. A ‘public-outing’ maybe the only way to prevent these individuals wreaking havoc upon other families. Just look at the demeur of the head of CYF’s…An unprofessional, arrogant git.
January 24th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Dave – I have no way of knowing the real names of those posting on the cyfswatch site.
Matt – just because you are too lazy to google is not the same as censorship. In fact how dare you little snivelling person complain that I refuse to provide a link for you. Hello this is my blog not your one. Go set up your own blog and link to who you want but don’t you dare call me a censor for not linking to a site.
January 24th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
I read the site last night and found parts of it offensive and rude. Fair enough to describe peoples behaviour as vindictive or cruel if you have evidence of this type of behaviour, but personal comments about appearances, requests for photos, and car registrations breaks all boundaries.
I agree in principle with the blog and it’s quest to make sure those that act unethically are held accountable and responsible for their behaviour.
I personally understand how frustrating it is when placed in the CYFS system for unfounded allegations of abuse as this happened to me when a man who had never met me or my children made allegations on someone elses behalf knowing that their reasons for making the allegations were harmful and cruel.
I was very fortunate to have a very kind and honest social worker who acted professionally and with enourmas intergity and have nothing but praise for the compassion she showed myself and my family.
January 24th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
“I read the site last night and found parts of it offensive and rude.”
Not in the slightest, grounds for shutting it down. Get real Paula, offensiveness and rudeness are part of the realities of life. If people are rude or offensive to you, you do not call upon government legislation or the Police for protection.. this is the refuge of fascists and totalitarians..
January 24th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
My wife worked in what is now this department some 30 years ago and it seems that the culture and the complaint levels have changed over that time. Sure its a difficult area with sometimes no win situations however it appears to me that the so called leaders CEOs top level management havent done a crash hot job of image management over the years. Just like most central and local government they lack a certain focus. Their attitude is like it or lump it.Shrug of the shoulders and get stuffed. Well if you take that attitude in our customer orientated world then you gotta expect some flak. I wonder what their complaint level is and the ratio of proven to not proven is and who decides Is it a truly independent and transperant process or is it trust us we know what we are doing process.
The publics perception is a powerful weapon and there is now one of total lack of accountability and contrition to the point where bluff and bluster are the weapons of choice when civil servants get caught out.
Sonic A civil servant in times past used to be just that Both civil and a servant.
Methinks it is time they returned to that position.
January 24th, 2007 at 2:06 pm
Does anyone here have any idea how many children are sexually molested by foster parents placed in their care by CYF’s? I have reason to believe its probably a horrifying number. From that moment on, these children’s lives are destroyed. Often these children may spend years in these homes where for them, being sexually abused becomes the norm and they of course grow to be dysfunctional people. In most cases, these offences will only come to light only when the victim’s become older and confide in others. There is no right of redress for these victims against the state (other than a claim against ACC and which is just a sick joke). By then of course, the damage to the individual has already been done and everyone involved in the placement of the child, (if not deceased by then), remains unaccountable. Worse, these dysfunctional traits invaribly manifest themselves in any offspring the victims may later conceive, with a never ending social and economic cost to the country.
January 24th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
gd, I’m sure there are legitimate questions around CYFS, considering the nature of their role it would be amazing if there were not. However I do not think that proper scrutiny should invove character assasination of individuals or appeals for home addresses and car registration details of CYFS employees.
I am not in favour of banning such a site, which given the nature of the internet would be impossible anyway. However I do think this sort of action should be condemned by right-thinking people.
It does surprise me that some commentators here are willing to excuse such harrassment on the flimsy basis that it is somehow “transparency” as I mentioned above a similar site featuring police officers (who also make mistakes) or, dare I say, National party politicians would rightly get short shrift.
January 24th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
I am thinking of posting to the CYPS blog. I think the buck should stop with the Minister, David Benson-Peep. I hope Ian Wishart or someone in the B & D community in Dunedin would consider posting about this sicko’s behaviour.
How can we expect CYPS to clean up their act with David Benson-Peep as Minister of Social Development? If Ian has it wrong Benson-Peep could sue. I do not think that would be too likely.
January 24th, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Stan
Looks like the sites been taken down.
The personal comments are unecessary but just following the example of the PM – calling Brash Cancerous, and John T referring to senior Labour Politicians and officials as “frontbums”. Using the word “Murderer” is a figure of speech which most of us recognise as just that. I recall objectors to a Digital image on their driving license being told “if you have nothing hide why worry” et tu CYFS.Accountability under this Labour administration is a non event so why not take the same view of the site unless you have dual standards and practice hypocracy at a high level – oops you do !!
January 24th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Gee . . . if setting up a website that posts the name, photo and address of your CYFS caseworker along with the information that you think they are a fat, stupid, feminist Nazi murderer doesn’t win them over and demonstrate that you’re going to be a great parent I don’t know what does . . .
January 24th, 2007 at 2:30 pm
Stan
Looks like the sites been taken down.
The personal comments are unecessary but just following the example of the PM – calling Brash Cancerous, and John T referring to senior Labour Politicians and officials as “frontbums”. Using the word “Murderer” is a figure of speech which most of us recognise as just that. I recall objectors to a Digital image on their driving license being told “if you have nothing hide why worry” et tu CYFS.Accountability under this Labour administration is a non event so why not take the same view of the site unless you have dual standards and practice hypocracy at a high level – oops you do !!
January 24th, 2007 at 2:30 pm
Still there Rumpole,
January 24th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
Sonic. When you have a govt that promotes a 0800 Dob-In-This-Person…0800 Dob-In-That society, which way do you want it matey..???
January 24th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
Bruce Simpson, of Aardvark fame, has documented his own dealings with CYFS here. From his account they come over as a pack of bureaucratic wankers.
January 24th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
I am unimpressed by Peter Hughes response to this. I would rather have seen him offer to have his lawyers work 24/7 to address some of the issues raised – but I guess that’s not likely to happen.
January 24th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
If the CYFSWATCH posters go over the top, then people will react negatively and their agenda to promote positive change at CYFS will not be advanced. They may get a weight off their chest, but no-one will be reading it except fellow ranters.
If they resist the personal attacks, and lay out their greivances against CYFS clearly and forcefully, then they’ll get more readers and more support from the wider population. For example, DPF may link to them
No need to censor anything here. The internet censors itself, much the same as we don’t tune in to people ranting madly on the street but might listen to someone “on the soapbox” rationally propounding something.
The owners of the blog will decide which way to go, and the site will live or die accordinly (i.e. promote their view or become an echo chamber).
January 24th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
Camryn. You’re exactly right. But in the short term it certainly has created the desired affect and attention. One wonders what publicity it might have received if not for the rantings and ravings…??
January 24th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
Sonic Whilst I dont condone the way the posters on the site have acted I can well understand the reasons they were driven to do so. I heard one Peter Hughes interviewed on the radio.His sole focus was to get the site shut down and the posters punished. It was beyond his comprehension that the department he is supposed to be responsible for was being exposed.He adopted the approach I alluded to previously.The tipping point is near I believe.The previously patient and tolerant Kiwi is begining to exhibit another dimension.The Pollies and the civil servants may be about to find themselves dealing with a lot more than they were used to in the past. Bland fobbing off may not be enough. Heads on spikes their heads may be the way of the future
January 24th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
gd, Peter Hughes has a responsiblity for the safety and well being of his staff. What if someone is attacked in the street over this?
“Heads on spikes their heads may be the way of the future”
Don’t see it gd, for one thing it is far too hot for that sort of frantic rushing around.
January 24th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
I had a read of it, not hard to find at all. I would link this issue with the veil of secrecy under which the family court operates. Personally, I think some of the personal attacks are over the top, but when people feel powerless they tend to compensate in this type of manner. If the family court did not operate in secrecy like some kind of government black ops unit, then that would go a long way to holding CYFS and the family court to account. I mean, everyone knows how objective social workers are, NOT.
January 24th, 2007 at 3:43 pm
Sonic, from what I have read on the site, those who complained to CYFS hit a brick wall. While I don’t condone the insults about appearence, etc, it seems clear that this is a last resort by some extremely frustrated people.
Peter Hughes has a responsiblity for the safety and well being of his staff.
And not the well being of those in MSD’s care??
January 24th, 2007 at 3:47 pm
gd. The govt wants a bob both ways and I for one, are sick of it. (see my 0800 coment above) For example, you have privacy legislation that prohibits state agencies to disclose any information to potential employers regarding information on ex and current criminals. These crims might go on to be employed by a company only to fleece it and destroy it; and a lifes’s work and that of the families who nurtured it and grew it. And all because the local copper was forbidden by law to alert the employer (when quizzed by the employer) that the guy was shonky. These are typical, everyday sad stories occcuring everyday throuhgout NZ, because of all the warm-fuzzy, bullshit legislation. Hell, even tax-evaders (criminals against the state?) dont even get their names published anymore.
(Gee, its even damn near impossible to get them audited when they’re good mates with the local IRD boss!)
January 24th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
dear sonic you know that was just a figure of speech.
Let me spell it out For the past three yes three decades governments and their departments whatever the hell they may call themselves SOEs etc have acted like a medieval fiefdom.Completely totally unaccountable and responsible only to themselves and their own. As a student and advocate of good governance for me the long and the short of it is we have seen the most appallingly lack of disclosure and transperancy.
Now sunlight is being directed onto these miscreatants and as always they are uncomfortable having to submit to the same level of scrutiny that they have imposed on us all these years.
Just like all bullies they can dish it out but they sure as hell cant take it.So like Hughes they will huff and puff.
What they wont do is face up to having a problem and make a real and honest effort to fix it.They wont allow truly independent audits because they know this will expose their arses.
And Paul M The Privacy Act is but an excuse for 2 bit facists to defeat common sense and lay waste to the good honest citizen. It is a rogues charter. Always has been Always will be.
January 24th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
I have just come from a meeting with cyfs over various cases that have come my way, and I must say that I was not intimidated to be out numbered 15 to one by females, quite a delightful afternoon. They were treating me like they were pampering a nancy boy’s poodle with coffee and biscuits and all things nice.
My timing regards raising my many concerns for several on going cases was impeccable, and I a flabbergasted by the huge change in attitude from cyfs staff towards me . It was a pleasurable surprise .
This is a big change from last year, where they asked me to remove myself from the premises, screaming at me that they’ll never work with such a volatile political activist as me.
Anyone who says the cyfswatch website is not positive for thousands of children and parents is a plonked sponge.
I can tell you from the trenches on the front line as a volunteer change is a happening .
Our children deserve better .
January 24th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
I hope the Minister Ruth Dyson does not sack the cyfs staff that showed me such compassion today. I don’t think so as hiring a social worker from Rwanda does indicate a serious shortage of available staff (please I am not a racist), just making a point.
Talking about defamation and potential lawsuits how come the various lawyers, psychologists and judges have not taken action at being on the Fathers Coalition Bothered Scroll of Shame?
http://www.handsonequalparent.org.nz/41379/52897.html
http://www.HandsOnEqualParent.org.nz
January 24th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
I went and had a squizz at the demon website. I was amazed to see that Peter Hughes (if genuine), has made a posting there. Gee, how many feet does this guy have left to stuff into that mouth of his?
If the culture of an organistation is to change, then this moron needs to be first in line for the chop.
January 24th, 2007 at 5:54 pm
He should resign before he continues to make a fool of himself. He wants to shut down a website come hell or high water, that he himself has used to express an opinion. Go figure?
January 24th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
If CYFS staff can’t handle the jandle then perhaps they should put in for transfers to duties that are publicly invisible in the Ministry of Funny Walks?
Wot about my seniority then?
January 24th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
Paula
Would you post asummary of your experience with CYFS on the blog site? You can doi that!
SG
January 24th, 2007 at 7:21 pm
If you’ve ever had a dissagreement witha government dept youll understand why this blogg is up and going.
Perhaps the most telling thing is the reaction of CYFS. “Were going to use all resources to close this down”
I would have thought that if they were OK with how they did their job then they really wouldnt be putting all their resources into stopping it.
I think they (CYFS) are as guilty as hell.
January 24th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
I’ve had a peripheral experience with CYFS (or whatever today’s acronym is) – I was asked to advocate for a family member whose children were taken into foster care. Without burdening the blog with detail, I found CYFS to be drunk with their own power and absolutely unwilling to listen.
Holding public servants to account is vital. I’d certainly support one which exposes the actions of corrupt or incompetent police officers, for instance. In fact there is such a site, but it’s run by someone who doesn’t fact check or strive for balance. Therefore, sadly, it has zero credibility and few readers.
Camryn is absolutely right. The CYFSWatch effort will fail, not because they are wrong about CYFS but because they lack the self control needed to convince the average unbiased reader of the rightness of their case.
Unless they tone down the hyperbole, eliminate the personal attacks (names and work emails would seem to be fine, home addresses and non-departmental car registrations would not) and concentrate on the facts which would sway the undecided – and that’s certainly not whether a social worker has a weight problem – they’ll be consigned to the backwaters of the net, where frothing conspiracy theorists roam.
January 24th, 2007 at 9:23 pm
If you’ve ever had a dissagreement witha government dept youll understand why this blogg is up and going.
Perhaps the most telling thing is the reaction of CYFS. “Were going to use all resources to close this down”
I would have thought that if they were OK with how they did their job then they really wouldnt be putting all their resources into stopping it.
I think they (CYFS) are as guilty as hell.
January 24th, 2007 at 9:43 pm
Rex – The radical feminist conspiracy theory wing nuts….. that caused all these problems with hateful social engineering way back in the 70s…… were no doubts frothing at the mouth when they fire bombed buildings etc…etc…Go Amazons go ….destroy the family …..crush men …..make kids vulnerable .
The childless creeps didn’t need the internet…. eh mate?
January 24th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
Sonic I’m awaiting with interest your reply to archeropterix’s post. How’s that coming along?
January 24th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
D4J – you need to get out more.
January 25th, 2007 at 6:31 am
> Looks like the sites been taken down.
No, it’s still there.
January 25th, 2007 at 8:53 am
Yay cyfswatch! One down, 1000s of currupt government departments and quangos to go!
Perhaps the next department should be justice:
Grandfather abducts kid but doesnt abuse him = no bail; homicidal maniac kills kids = bail. go figure!
Gooner and d4j are both right. Perhaps we dont need the internet and do need to get out more – on the streets with placards.
The government will win becuase they have billions of dollars of our own money to pay off media and spin doctors, judges etc to fight with.
January 25th, 2007 at 8:55 am
Just had a read of the cyfs watch moan sheet.
Honestly, can anyone make sense of the dribble thats been posted?.
ps, when will you post your details Peter Burns?.
January 25th, 2007 at 9:29 am
Glad to hear you hang on my every word Reid.
My stand is the same one it was earlier, if there are problems with CYFS they should be taken up, if there is an issue with process then people can approach their MP, create petitions of engage in peaceful protest to bring the issue to public attention.
What is not acceptable is harrassment of individuals and their families through the publishing of anonymous libels and detailed information about home addresses and car registrations.
Pretty simple point really,
January 25th, 2007 at 10:08 am
Chris; Thanks for stating my name, however any lunkheads can google dad4justice and get my home address and phone numbers.I hear google are working with Ministry of social development regarding a resolution about the fate of the cypswatch website . Will they eradicate it is the million dollar question???
I provided the blog owners with the details of name and address that I put under my posting titled; “ CYFS Hall of Shame 23 –29 Steve Pettifer/ Hall etc.…
Check you if want and you will see (Name and Address Supplied)
I welcome any litigation as a result of any comments made on the Internet, as I am extremely well versed in the simple art of law. I seek accountability from government and delight at the thought of any liable proceedings. Bring it on please………..Oh by the way I have irrefutable evidence of criminality all the way up to ministerial level.
Nearly forgot dear Chris would you like to know what colour underpants I am wearing today? Please feel free to ask – Get a life gripper !!!
January 25th, 2007 at 10:11 am
> Honestly, can anyone make sense of the dribble thats been posted?
Yes, I can. But if you think it’s dribble, I’m surprised you want to read it.
January 25th, 2007 at 10:28 am
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10420759
January 25th, 2007 at 10:37 am
I’ve been looking for an example of Google deleting a defamatory blog on Blogger… here’s a letter which is said to have been sent back from Google:
“Thank you for writing regarding content posted on blogspot.com. Although we host that site, we are not in a position to adjudicate whether the content is defamatory or not.
Accordingly, consistent with section 230(c) of the Communications Decency Act, Blogger does not remove material in response to allegations of defamation. In cases where a contact email address is listed on the page, we recommend working directly with the author to have this information removed or changed.
We are sorry we cannot assist you further at this time.
Sincerely,
Blogger Support Team”
Source (comment section): http://www.blogherald.com/2005/06/30/its-time-for-google-to-act-on-blogger/
January 25th, 2007 at 10:46 am
Peter Burns, it’s called “put up or shut up” so please, tell us all,why did the family court grant your wife custody, why supervision is required when you have access to your children.
Once again, I challenge you to post the contents of the CYFs files regarding yourself and the decisions made or will you hide behind POI act?.
January 25th, 2007 at 11:14 am
For that last time Chris I will not mention publicly the sordid details of my case until cyfs and the family court admitt liability for malfeasance. I must the protect the dignity and integrity off my four children. I am waiting from a decision currently before Judge Boshier.
I think my requested meeting with lawyers who are part of the Families Commission would be more appropriate to talk to about such highly sensitive issues relating to historical child abuse than some fungus like you .
Fyi Chris I have enjoyed unsupervised accesses to children for three years. Just goes to show you how meaningless (despite 6 sets of protection orders !!!!!), corrupt and dysfunctional the bullshit family court is.
The dishonest actions of so many are going to cost the tax payer a lot mate !!!
January 25th, 2007 at 11:21 am
” I will not mention publicly the sordid details of my case”
You talk about nothing else!
January 25th, 2007 at 11:23 am
So Peter Burns, you are right, every one else is wrong and your word is gospel.What a guy!.
January 25th, 2007 at 11:43 am
Sonic & Chris
Obviously you childless neurotic freaks no nothing about the controlling behaviour of adult paedophilies. But to be fair to you both, neither do the authorities that callously claim to act in the child’s best intersts .
My children think I am quite a “guy “
January 25th, 2007 at 11:51 am
“childless neurotic freaks”
Two out three I’d have to admit!
D4j, I’m sure your kids love you and I have never commented directly on your case. All I have ever said is that some of your comments on here do your image no good at all.
Sadly you appear not to have ever taken on board
January 25th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Joseph Goebbels ( Propaganda Minister)
January 25th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
“childless neurotic freaks”
Two out of three for me too.
Peter,it must be awful being the only one thats right.
January 25th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
I have absolutely no knowledge of d4j/Burns’s case. However, in response to those commenters who’ve asked:
…why supervision is required when you have access to your children
My former partner’s sister had both her children taken from her because she went to work and left them in the care of her addle brained boyfriend who locked them outside the house, aged 1 and 3, while he went to the pub.
She did not abuse them (in fact aside from her taste in male acquaintances, was an excellent mother).
As a result, they have now been in CYFS care for five years with no attempt or interest from social workers in reuniting the family.
And (yes, I’m coming to the point) any family member who wishes to see the children is required to be supervised. So, for instance, my stepdaughter (the children’s cousin, who had no involvement in the circumstances which caused CYFS intervention) is deemed to need supervision.
I’m forbidden from speaking to them on the telephone, as that can’t be “supervised”. As a result I haven’t spoken to my niece or nephew for five years.
So one cannot infer guilt on the part of d4j/Burns simply because he may be required to be supervised whilst with his children.
Equally, d4j, it doesn’t seem to be a feminist agenda, as the victims in this case are of both sexes. Rather it’s what I call the “parking warden” phenomenon – give power to a certain type of individual and they will inevitably abuse it to boost their own damaged ego.
January 25th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
It appears The State (CYFS) have taken full control and responsibilty for the children under law?
The question is, should they and how is this documented in law and how does one go about getting one’s children back?
Or are CYPS, as it would seem, a law unto themselves, with no checks and measures, as would perhaps be the case for the Family Court?
January 25th, 2007 at 3:43 pm
after reading and commenting on jayden, WHAT is the cyfs bog address, so i can read, im not as quick on my trusty dell as ,say SONIC, he has a mac i suposs
January 25th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
is it right for cyf to employ prostitutes and pay them cash to look after young boys over night. and this is true..
January 25th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
is it right for cyf to employ prostitutes and pay them cash to look after young boys over night. and this is true..
January 25th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
Rachel – thanks for that e-mail. It has been very useful knowing of it.
January 25th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
I do support what the CYFSWatch / Hall of Shame are doing.
I would love to duplicate their site in the name of……. (what for it)……..
INLAND REVENUE CHILD SUPPORT / ADMINISTRATION REVIEW PRICKS (BEING POLITE)
The crux of my ‘beef’ is that the formula for working out child support commitments does not take into account existing debt servicing (liquidated business at its debts as a direct result of my stress around false accusations of molesting my children etc etc – and not choosing bankruptcy as option etc etc)
You can imagine my story ……….
I am currently considering contacting the press to let them know my story which is almost identical
to the Chris Jones / Jayden Headley case.
From what I have read today – you need only substitute the mothers act of DNA fraud with (in my case)
false accusations of my molesting my children….etc etc etc
and the ‘pattern’ is so close (ie: I also have been battling for 5 years in family court)…..that I have recieved several unsolicited comments from colleagues and friends acknowledging my story as almost identical to the Jayden saga….
What do I do ?
Yours Sincerely
Kent Richardson
Ph: (09) 620 6516 home
Ph: (09) 359 2964 DDI work
Ph: 027 275 1195
email : kent.richardson@paradise.net.nz
January 25th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
I do support what the CYFSWatch / Hall of Shame are doing.
I would love to duplicate their site in the name of……. (what for it)……..
INLAND REVENUE CHILD SUPPORT / ADMINISTRATION REVIEW PRICKS (BEING POLITE)
The crux of my ‘beef’ is that the formula for working out child support commitments does not take into account existing debt servicing (liquidated business at its debts as a direct result of my stress around false accusations of molesting my children etc etc – and not choosing bankruptcy as option etc etc)
You can imagine my story ……….
I am currently considering contacting the press to let them know my story which is almost identical
to the Chris Jones / Jayden Headley case.
From what I have read today – you need only substitute the mothers act of DNA fraud with (in my case)
false accusations of my molesting my children….etc etc etc
and the ‘pattern’ is so close (ie: I also have been battling for 5 years in family court)…..that I have recieved several unsolicited comments from colleagues and friends acknowledging my story as almost identical to the Jayden saga….
What do I do ?
Yours Sincerely
Kent Richardson
Ph: (09) 620 6516 home
Ph: (09) 359 2964 DDI work
Ph: 027 275 1195
email : kent.richardson@paradise.net.nz
January 25th, 2007 at 10:29 pm
I do support what the CYFSWatch / Hall of Shame are doing.
I would love to duplicate their site in the name of……. (what for it)……..
INLAND REVENUE CHILD SUPPORT / ADMINISTRATION REVIEW PRICKS (BEING POLITE)
The crux of my ‘beef’ is that the formula for working out child support commitments does not take into account existing debt servicing (liquidated business at its debts as a direct result of my stress around false accusations of molesting my children etc etc – and not choosing bankruptcy as option etc etc)
You can imagine my story ……….
I am currently considering contacting the press to let them know my story which is almost identical
to the Chris Jones / Jayden Headley case.
From what I have read today – you need only substitute the mothers act of DNA fraud with (in my case)
false accusations of my molesting my children….etc etc etc
and the ‘pattern’ is so close (ie: I also have been battling for 5 years in family court)…..that I have recieved several unsolicited comments from colleagues and friends acknowledging my story as almost identical to the Jayden saga….
What do I do ?
Yours Sincerely
Kent Richardson
Ph: (09) 620 6516 home
Ph: (09) 359 2964 DDI work
Ph: 027 275 1195
email : kent.richardson@paradise.net.nz
January 25th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
I do support what the CYFSWatch / Hall of Shame are doing.
I would love to duplicate their site in the name of……. (what for it)……..
INLAND REVENUE CHILD SUPPORT / ADMINISTRATION REVIEW PRICKS (BEING POLITE)
The crux of my ‘beef’ is that the formula for working out child support commitments does not take into account existing debt servicing (liquidated business at its debts as a direct result of my stress around false accusations of molesting my children etc etc – and not choosing bankruptcy as option etc etc)
You can imagine my story ……….
I am currently considering contacting the press to let them know my story which is almost identical
to the Chris Jones / Jayden Headley case.
From what I have read today – you need only substitute the mothers act of DNA fraud with (in my case)
false accusations of my molesting my children….etc etc etc
and the ‘pattern’ is so close (ie: I also have been battling for 5 years in family court)…..that I have recieved several unsolicited comments from colleagues and friends acknowledging my story as almost identical to the Jayden saga….
What do I do ?
Yours Sincerely
Kent Richardson
Ph: (09) 620 6516 home
Ph: (09) 359 2964 DDI work
Ph: 027 275 1195
email : kent.richardson@paradise.net.nz
January 25th, 2007 at 10:55 pm
I wonder what credentials elevates a judge, a CFY’s worker, a psychologist, a psychiatrist (or, any other human being for that matter),to be better ‘equipped’ to intervene and pass judgement against the primeval instincts of a mother and father, (vs any other member of society), in their desire to protect and secure the love of their offspring?
January 26th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
I’m with the Justice department overhaul and blog.
Woman cries rape on more than one occassion despite all evidence pointing to it never occurring such as negative DNA, computer and phone records being clear, overwhelming alibis and said woman constantly changing her story with no accountability or punishment.
Woman falsely accused of dropping offensive materials into a letterbox with no evidence whatsoever, lifelong criminal harrassment file.
Go figure!
Children flashed on beach and same offenders then swimming naked in a swimming pool no worries.
Being charged for undressing or being naked in property you own or rent because of a families hysteria and prudish behaviour, worth hundreds of thousands of dollars expense and years of tied up court time.
Yes the whole country is nuts!
Australia here I come.
January 26th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
I occasionally read your blog and I rarely agree with you but for once I do and thank you for being one of the few bloggers who appear to have bother to properly understand this issue rather then simply accuse the government of hating free speech and trying to cover up the bad. The reality is, the website isn’t some knight in shining armour. They publish a lot of details which could put CYF staff at risk of harassment or violence. Whatever the purported failings of these staff, there is no justification for this. If this was simply a case of critical commentry perhaps with the names of the alleged ‘bad staff’ then sure I would agree it would be wrong for the goverment to try and stop it. But it’s not, and the thing the government appears to be primarily concerned about is the very real risk to staff this may pose.
And frankly, comparing it to ratemyteachers is a little silly. No one publishes home address or other such info of teachers from what I can tell and I haven’t see any photos. Furthermore, as bad as some of out kids are, the risk of violence and intimidation teachers have from that website are comparatively small.
Ironically, the authors remain largely anonymous and even when the names are supplied this is usually withheld. CYF staff of course can’t actually tell the whole story because of privacy issues.
January 26th, 2007 at 9:25 pm
Congratulations on CYFSWATCH. CFYS is an evil, dastardly organization hell bent on knowing best even if it’s plainly absurd. This is the philosophy of stupid left wing idiots who thing they know best but really are no different to the stupid pigs on animal farm.
Enough is enough, CFYS your system is corrupt and evil and you and your staff are paying the price.
Get your house in order rather than pointing fingers and everyone will be happy. (Except your stupid inept social workers who are scared to deal with their own behavior).
It’s very simple – if CYFS did good and was competent CYFSWATCH would not be happening.
January 26th, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Almost everyone that agrees with this blogpost in the comments completely misses the point of CFYSWATCH.
It’s not rational to have your children torn away from you on the basis of an unproven aligation and then told to have them back you must first admit you have abused your children before it can even be considered that you might get them back.
If you have children and this happens to you, maybe you might understand why so many people feel CYFSWATCH is right on the mark and why CFYSWATCH is publishing the information.
Wake up people – these people are acting as gods and are now scared of being named.
January 27th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
I see two new sites are up.
http://lawgate.blogspot.com/
http://factfiles.org.nz
January 28th, 2007 at 7:53 am
Taking the high ground is a gutless step adding to the injustices being performed hourly by those making and appling NZ-Law and Social Policy
Depriving, the 300,000+ Kids some say 400,000 Kids deliberatly separated from their Dads and many of those from their Mums, of their **Whole-NATURAL-Biological-FAMILY** is heinous
Its well time to BOTHER all who damage our **Whole-NATURAL-Biological-FAMILIES**
Come support the **NZ-FATHERS-Coalition** who have lead the way back to valueing the Natural Family instead of using our **Families in Anguish** to build **Empires of Injustice**, cause jobs and fund wealth
Critisising the methods of the those with the courage to stand and reverse the direction this country has taken with its families is pathetic and almost as evil as those who are plain apathetic
Onward – Jim
HandsOnEqualParent / **NZ-FATHERS-Coalition**
January 28th, 2007 at 7:54 am
Taking the high ground is a gutless step adding to the injustices being performed hourly by those making and appling NZ-Law and Social Policy
Depriving, the 300,000+ Kids some say 400,000 Kids deliberatly separated from their Dads and many of those from their Mums, of their **Whole-NATURAL-Biological-FAMILY** is heinous
Its well time to BOTHER all who damage our **Whole-NATURAL-Biological-FAMILIES**
Come support the **NZ-FATHERS-Coalition** who have lead the way back to valueing the Natural Family instead of using our **Families in Anguish** to build **Empires of Injustice**, cause jobs and fund wealth
Critisising the methods of the those with the courage to stand and reverse the direction this country has taken with its families is pathetic and almost as evil as those who are plain apathetic
Onward – Jim
HandsOnEqualParent / **NZ-FATHERS-Coalition**
January 28th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
Its Official on Trade Me Opinion thread titled “Dear cyfswatch” thread I am the mystery man behind the blog as Tim Barnett’s homosexual friend called Tom alias darthman from Christchurch City has said so.
I have complained about this twisted screwballs criminal comment, however the powers of be are content on allowing malicious slander to run rampant without giving me the chance to counteract his claims. If anybody is a member of Trade Me can you complain, as the dirtbags won’t listen to me as they banned me because Tim or Tom set me up !!!!
He is undoubtedly another demented Government paid poodle that sits all day on his arse pumping the huge “ism” propaganda machine .
February 1st, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Link to http://www.humanrights.org.nz and sarahsstory if you want an example of an abused child being forced into being a research participant by CYFS.The Ombudsman’s office are currently investigating.CYFS actually broke the law by breaching their statutory duty to interview this child within 48 hours, making knowing misrepresentations to her mother to induce her to sign a research consent, while lying to her that her daughter was not allowed a support person, and she’d never know what went on in the CYFS interview room UNLESS she signed the consent, which was not ammended to reflect the hour’s browbeating or the promise that IF she signed the research consent,THEN she’d always be allowed to see the videotapes of her daughter’s interviews afterwards. The Ph.D thesis clearly tells that CYFS and the researcher were fully aware of the Evidence(Videotaping of Child complainants) Regulations 1990 section 10, as well as the CAT/SAT Joint Agreement between CYFS and the Police, but they were ignored.Section 105B and other sections about obtaining by deceit appear to have been breachedby CYFS. The Police will not prosecute these people who decided this child had no right to give evidence about the crime committed against her.CYFS illegally destroyed their copy of the child’s videos and transcripts while telling the mother her daughter had been “randomly assigned” into research without her knowledge.The University of Otago claim to now “own” the child’s taped interviews even though the research consent was never voluntary or fully informed.The child herself is asking for the tapes return but the police and CYFS are claiming the child is brainwashed by the mother. The mother has offered to allow the child to be interviewed by a lawyer to determine her views but none of the parties want that because they cannot then claim that they are “putting the child’s interests first” if the child makes her own decision. by the way not all CYFSWATCH bloggers are scummy parents. This child was referred to CYFS by a paediatrician, rather than to the police because he didn’t want a rapid investigation of the abuse, because the perpetrator was a Hospital respite carer who had not been vetted.There was no reason for CYFS to get their hooks into this ordinary educated family.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:02 pm
Is there a site for child support shamers?
Have had such a hard time with child support only to find out that i have not been a liable parent. They did not give a shit. When i had no money or even a benefit, they threatened to freeze my bank acct. Help me!!
Maybe we could get a site up for all Govt departments.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
Is there a site for child support shamers?
Have had such a hard time with child support only to find out that i have not been a liable parent. They did not give a shit. When i had no money or even a benefit, they threatened to freeze my bank acct. Help me!!
Maybe we could get a site up for all Govt departments.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:06 pm
Is there a site for child support shamers?
Have had such a hard time with child support only to find out that i have not been a liable parent. They did not give a shit. When i had no money or even a benefit, they threatened to freeze my bank acct. Help me!!
Maybe we could get a site up for all Govt departments.
February 7th, 2007 at 11:22 am
CYFS
Children,young persons and families
Do the employees not recognise the last word or do they lack the empathy and postiveness to help families.
Families in crisis are being destroyed.Even middle class families are being blown apart because of the high handed arrogance by social workers.
These social workers jobs are no more difficult than all professionals in the medical field who have to answer to a board of ethics and maintain high standards to keep their licences.
February 7th, 2007 at 11:27 am
CYFS
Children,young persons and families
Do the employees not recognise the last word or do they lack the empathy and postiveness to help families.
Families in crisis are being destroyed.Even middle class families are being blown apart because of the high handed arrogance by social workers.
These social workers jobs are no more difficult than all professionals in the medical field who have to answer to a board of ethics and maintain high standards to keep their licences.
February 7th, 2007 at 11:29 am
CYFS
Children,young persons and families
Do the employees not recognise the last word or do they lack the empathy and postiveness to help families.
Families in crisis are being destroyed.Even middle class families are being blown apart because of the high handed arrogance by social workers.
These social workers jobs are no more difficult than all professionals in the medical field who have to answer to a board of ethics and maintain high standards to keep their licences.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:19 pm
If CYFS workers bothered to listen to complaints or be accontable for their actions a blog site wouldnot be needed.
It seems the employees of CYFS are not accountable to anybody because they are employed by the government
Too often social workers employed by CYFS are to quick to remove children without using any common sense or empathy towards the family concerned or the children often doing more harm than good.
Complaints go ignored phone calls unanswered or returned.What sort of department is this.
February 9th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
BALLS,
Let the people tell it the way it is
Denying truth because of linguist/writing diffences is hardly a cure
We know that over 300,000 Kids some say 400,000 have been deliberatly separated from their own DAD and some from Mum as well
It is well time to take this Govt down and prosecute all who have taken part in the destruction of our **Whole-NATURAL-Biological-FAMILIES**
Many of the Bureaucrats who work in FC – CYFS – WINZ – POLICE – Womens Refuge – Govt funded Anger management are at fault let alone those who placed the collection of Law and Social Policy that has lead to this terible situation
Taking the high ground will grow the numbers of Kids without their own Parents
Onward – Jim
http://www.GHandsOnEqualParent.org.nz
February 9th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
BALLS,
Let the people tell it the way it is
Denying truth because of linguist/writing diffences is hardly a cure
We know that over 300,000 Kids some say 400,000 have been deliberatly separated from their own DAD and some from Mum as well
It is well time to take this Govt down and prosecute all who have taken part in the destruction of our **Whole-NATURAL-Biological-FAMILIES**
Many of the Bureaucrats who work in FC – CYFS – WINZ – POLICE – Womens Refuge – Govt funded Anger management are at fault let alone those who placed the collection of Law and Social Policy that has lead to this terible situation
Taking the high ground will grow the numbers of Kids without their own Parents
Onward – Jim
http://www.GHandsOnEqualParent.org.nz
February 12th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
cyfs @ best a bunch of sociopathic sexist benefit bashing self righteous power tripping freaks @worst a front for paediaphiles protected by government legislation! No internal re-stucturing of policy or investigation of performance/effect/client evaluations. No everytime questions are asked or people start looking at this organisation they simply change there name and with political rhetoric manage to avoid any ACCOUNTABILITY!!! no longer refered to as c.y.f.s their latest guise is under the blanket of ‘ministry of social development’ more like social destruction or sociopathic development – power tripping psychosis ridden freaks I would estimate nationally if psyche evaluations were conducted that approx. 70% of cyfs staff should be dismissed . If you think they’re bad you should try dealing with them in Nelson definitely a 70% office!
February 12th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
cyfs @ best a bunch of sociopathic sexist benefit bashing self righteous power tripping freaks @worst a front for paediaphiles protected by government legislation! No internal re-stucturing of policy or investigation of performance/effect/client evaluations. No everytime questions are asked or people start looking at this organisation they simply change there name and with political rhetoric manage to avoid any ACCOUNTABILITY!!! no longer refered to as c.y.f.s their latest guise is under the blanket of ‘ministry of social development’ more like social destruction or sociopathic development – power tripping psychosis ridden freaks I would estimate nationally if psyche evaluations were conducted that approx. 70% of cyfs staff should be dismissed . If you think they’re bad you should try dealing with them in Nelson definitely a 70% office!
February 12th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
cyfs @ best a bunch of sociopathic sexist benefit bashing self righteous power tripping freaks @worst a front for paediaphiles protected by government legislation! No internal re-stucturing of policy or investigation of performance/effect/client evaluations. No everytime questions are asked or people start looking at this organisation they simply change there name and with political rhetoric manage to avoid any ACCOUNTABILITY!!! no longer refered to as c.y.f.s their latest guise is under the blanket of ‘ministry of social development’ more like social destruction or sociopathic development – power tripping psychosis ridden freaks I would estimate nationally if psyche evaluations were conducted that approx. 70% of cyfs staff should be dismissed . If you think they’re bad you should try dealing with them in Nelson definitely a 70% office!
February 12th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
cyfs @ best a bunch of sociopathic sexist benefit bashing self righteous power tripping freaks @worst a front for paediaphiles protected by government legislation! No internal re-stucturing of policy or investigation of performance/effect/client evaluations. No everytime questions are asked or people start looking at this organisation they simply change there name and with political rhetoric manage to avoid any ACCOUNTABILITY!!! no longer refered to as c.y.f.s their latest guise is under the blanket of ‘ministry of social development’ more like social destruction or sociopathic development – power tripping psychosis ridden freaks I would estimate nationally if psyche evaluations were conducted that approx. 70% of cyfs staff should be dismissed . If you think they’re bad you should try dealing with them in Nelson definitely a 70% office!
February 12th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
cyfs @ best a bunch of sociopathic sexist benefit bashing self righteous power tripping freaks @worst a front for paediaphiles protected by government legislation! No internal re-stucturing of policy or investigation of performance/effect/client evaluations. No everytime questions are asked or people start looking at this organisation they simply change there name and with political rhetoric manage to avoid any ACCOUNTABILITY!!! no longer refered to as c.y.f.s their latest guise is under the blanket of ‘ministry of social development’ more like social destruction or sociopathic development – power tripping psychosis ridden freaks I would estimate nationally if psyche evaluations were conducted that approx. 70% of cyfs staff should be dismissed . If you think they’re bad you should try dealing with them in Nelson definitely a 70% office!
February 12th, 2007 at 2:06 pm
cyfs @ best a bunch of sociopathic sexist benefit bashing self righteous power tripping freaks @worst a front for paediaphiles protected by government legislation! No internal re-stucturing of policy or investigation of performance/effect/client evaluations. No everytime questions are asked or people start looking at this organisation they simply change there name and with political rhetoric manage to avoid any ACCOUNTABILITY!!! no longer refered to as c.y.f.s their latest guise is under the blanket of ‘ministry of social development’ more like social destruction or sociopathic development – power tripping psychosis ridden freaks I would estimate nationally if psyche evaluations were conducted that approx. 70% of cyfs staff should be dismissed . If you think they’re bad you should try dealing with them in Nelson definitely a 70% office!
February 21st, 2007 at 11:03 pm
Haveing been a foster mother of a dear wee boy from the age of 13months till he was almost 7years…. i had to place him with his family members due to health reason i am haveing such a hard time even seeing him. With haveing 5 girls he had a very special place in our family and was raised as one of my children and concidered my only son. It was the hardest thing i had to do but i didnt ever think giveing him to family members would erase us from his life..We are in the process of going to the family courts so we get to see him but it is so hard as he is not my bioalogical child. While he was shearing our family life we made every possible chance for any of his extended family to see him without any notice to ourselves because family is inportant but we havent been showen the same respect… Good foster perants who raise these children and love and protect them and truely care about the child in there care are treated like crap!!! how can both the department and the extended family have no regard for all the years this awesome wee boy was with our family and how a mother can just erase someone from there family our family is grieveing as haveing no contact with him is like a death in the family … I’m woundering if there is any other foster family out there that this has happened to and how have they gottin through it?? Thank you for your time and i look forward to hearing your responces
February 21st, 2007 at 11:14 pm
cypts suck!!! As a foster mother i have found i have no rights!!!! fostered a wee boy for just over 6 years and due to bad health i had to find family that would take him in was the hardest thing i had to do i never thought that by doing so would arese him from our lives but this is the case he was raised as a member of our family loved and valued as the only boy of family with 5 girls and now i am left with going through the family courts just so we can get to see him. is this right? is this fair?? i may not have given birth to him but i did everything that a mother does for there children. Our family is grieveing not only do i fell like i have lost a son but my children fell like they have lost a brother.. And not the department nor the extended family care.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:15 pm
cypts suck!!! As a foster mother i have found i have no rights!!!! fostered a wee boy for just over 6 years and due to bad health i had to find family that would take him in was the hardest thing i had to do i never thought that by doing so would arese him from our lives but this is the case he was raised as a member of our family loved and valued as the only boy of family with 5 girls and now i am left with going through the family courts just so we can get to see him. is this right? is this fair?? i may not have given birth to him but i did everything that a mother does for there children. Our family is grieveing not only do i fell like i have lost a son but my children fell like they have lost a brother.. And not the department nor the extended family care.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:16 pm
cypts suck!!! As a foster mother i have found i have no rights!!!! fostered a wee boy for just over 6 years and due to bad health i had to find family that would take him in was the hardest thing i had to do i never thought that by doing so would arese him from our lives but this is the case he was raised as a member of our family loved and valued as the only boy of family with 5 girls and now i am left with going through the family courts just so we can get to see him. is this right? is this fair?? i may not have given birth to him but i did everything that a mother does for there children. Our family is grieveing not only do i fell like i have lost a son but my children fell like they have lost a brother.. And not the department nor the extended family care.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:17 pm
cypts suck!!! As a foster mother i have found i have no rights!!!! fostered a wee boy for just over 6 years and due to bad health i had to find family that would take him in was the hardest thing i had to do i never thought that by doing so would arese him from our lives but this is the case he was raised as a member of our family loved and valued as the only boy of family with 5 girls and now i am left with going through the family courts just so we can get to see him. is this right? is this fair?? i may not have given birth to him but i did everything that a mother does for there children. Our family is grieveing not only do i fell like i have lost a son but my children fell like they have lost a brother.. And not the department nor the extended family care.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:25 pm
As being a foster mother for the department for just over 6 years the department sucks…. i know they have a hard job and are over worked over stressed ect but as a good foster mother i am surprised that with the shortage of good foster familys they treat you with no respect these children come into your home and you raise them like one of your own and that just doesnt shut of when they move on. but because i am not there bialogical mother i have no rights for visitation. We are left grieveing for a family member loved, missed but never forgottin
February 21st, 2007 at 11:25 pm
As being a foster mother for the department for just over 6 years the department sucks…. i know they have a hard job and are over worked over stressed ect but as a good foster mother i am surprised that with the shortage of good foster familys they treat you with no respect these children come into your home and you raise them like one of your own and that just doesnt shut of when they move on. but because i am not there bialogical mother i have no rights for visitation. We are left grieveing for a family member loved, missed but never forgottin
February 21st, 2007 at 11:26 pm
As being a foster mother for the department for just over 6 years the department sucks…. i know they have a hard job and are over worked over stressed ect but as a good foster mother i am surprised that with the shortage of good foster familys they treat you with no respect these children come into your home and you raise them like one of your own and that just doesnt shut of when they move on. but because i am not there bialogical mother i have no rights for visitation. We are left grieveing for a family member loved, missed but never forgottin
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:11 am
As a lawyer working in the Family Court, the main criticism that I had of CYFS was that they seemed too often to allow kids to REMAIN with their violent parents!! If the preference has to be to place such children within the same whanau, I guess there is often little point in removing them because the violence that has infected the family is endemic throughout the entire whanau. Acceptance of violence towards children is a problem of MONUMENTAL PROPORTIONS in this country, and currently a matter of utter national embarrassment. Has anyone heard of anywhere else in the world where a dentist thinks its ok to slap his child-patient on the face for misbehaviour?!!
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:09 pm
My cousin who is an excellent mother had her baby taken off her because of fabricated allegations made by desperate non fertile baby seekers. It was a cunning plot to steal her baby away from her and it was a successful one. After many months of fighting for her, we recieved good news from the courts, baby was coming home. This wasn’t the end though, we had to get her back first which proved to be a very hard task, our kidnappers were not willing to give baby back and stil hasn’t to this day. The courts, police or cyps don’t even want to know us, citing that “It must be done in a peaceful way”. This #!*”s me off completely to think that cyps can push people around, say where and when we can see baby, more or less belittle our cousin, degrade her, then kick her to the gutter and not even clean up the mess they made, you might as well say were on our own. We need someone or some sort of process where we can fight for our rights, bring back our baby!
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:11 pm
My cousin who is an excellent mother had her baby taken off her because of fabricated allegations made by desperate non fertile baby seekers. It was a cunning plot to steal her baby away from her and it was a successful one. After many months of fighting for her, we recieved good news from the courts, baby was coming home. This wasn’t the end though, we had to get her back first which proved to be a very hard task, our kidnappers were not willing to give baby back and stil hasn’t to this day. The courts, police or cyps don’t even want to know us, citing that “It must be done in a peaceful way”. This #!*”s me off completely to think that cyps can push people around, say where and when we can see baby, more or less belittle our cousin, degrade her, then kick her to the gutter and not even clean up the mess they made, you might as well say were on our own. We need someone or some sort of process where we can fight for our rights, bring back our baby!
February 22nd, 2007 at 3:21 pm
I agree, cyfs has alot to answer for. Even though I have no kids personally, I have seen it first hand with my niece. I was there the day they turned up, two of them, acting on a complaint from a “concerned family member” The accusations they came out with, the mother tried to talk, but was told to be quiet, she would have her time when they had done. two hours later, and alot of put downs later, the mum finally got to say her side of the story. The inspectors did not believe a word of it, and basically tried to shame her into admitting the accusations, that were not true to begin with. I was not saying a word, as I tired, and got told to shut up it had nothing to do with me. Without hard evidence, they left empty handed, only to return two weeks later, harping on about the same thing, as they had recieved another call from the family member who was not pleased that the child was still in the mum and dads custody. In the end, it was brought out that the faqmily member had a vendetta against the girls mother, and wanted to destroy the family. Cyps only backed off when provided with a list of names and numbers of ten people, including the childs doctor, plunket nurse family and friends, who all testified on the phone, in writing and in front of a jp. Cyfs want to know why they get targeted? Take a look at yourself.
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:43 pm
I would just like to add my two cents worth. I was just starting to post on CYFS Watch last night when it was pulled. As I said in one post, while I don’t condone violence and threats, etc, I can understand it; I can understand how people are now getting totally frustrated. New Zealand, like other western nations, is a so-called democracy, but it really isn’t. When a bill like the smacking one is likely to be passed when 80% oppose it, we are not talking about democracy, are we?
What we are seeing in NZ and elsewhere are countries run by minority groups and political correctness. In NZ’s case feminism and political correctness have been the driving force behind our demise. They are the driving force behind education, affirmative-action type policies, and they now control all government departments; they are the silent communists that have entered through the back door.
They are now so much in control of ordinary citizens, it’s almost impossible to turn it around. It doesn’t really matter which major party you vote for; they are both centrist. While I thought we had a chance of turning it around with Brash with his political-correctness eradicator, I am not at all sure about Key (John-Boy Key). I emailed Key and cc’d my email to all National’s MPs about my concerns over the termination of the PC Eradicator port folio. To my surprise, he emailed me back assuring me that he was concerned about political correctness…..ra, ra, ra.
If we have any notion of stopping the Bradfords of this world, we must first eradicate the PC culture that has infiltrated every part of New Zealand society. The very first place to start is at schools; we need purge feminism and political correctness from education and start again with more pragmatic men being in control. Children need a balance between male and female, and they are not getting it at present; between solo mums and female teachers, what male influence are our children being exposed to?…Very little indeed.
Now returning to the point at hand, if CYFS Watch really want to make a change, they need to do a lot more than a website. While blogging is a good method to convey messages, it doesn’t really resonate with politicians. I know this from my own experience with my anti-political correctness blog; it’s not enough. It is time to start hitting the streets in mass protest, much the same way as Islamists get exposure. Or for that matter, the same way as Bradford, herself, got exposure. You have to milk the media, the television media.
When I return to New Zealand in September this year, I intend doing this. Ranting and raving on blog sites is not enough.
My blog for those who are interested is: www. friedbrains.com
PS. I am also the cartoonist for the Campaign Against Political Correctness in the UK.
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:45 pm
I would just like to add my two cents worth. I was just starting to post on CYFS Watch last night when it was pulled. As I said in one post, while I don’t condone violence and threats, etc, I can understand it; I can understand how people are now getting totally frustrated. New Zealand, like other western nations, is a so-called democracy, but it really isn’t. When a bill like the smacking one is likely to be passed when 80% oppose it, we are not talking about democracy, are we?
What we are seeing in NZ and elsewhere are countries run by minority groups and political correctness. In NZ’s case feminism and political correctness have been the driving force behind our demise. They are the driving force behind education, affirmative-action type policies, and they now control all government departments; they are the silent communists that have entered through the back door.
They are now so much in control of ordinary citizens, it’s almost impossible to turn it around. It doesn’t really matter which major party you vote for; they are both centrist. While I thought we had a chance of turning it around with Brash with his political-correctness eradicator, I am not at all sure about Key (John-Boy Key). I emailed Key and cc’d my email to all National’s MPs about my concerns over the termination of the PC Eradicator port folio. To my surprise, he emailed me back assuring me that he was concerned about political correctness…..ra, ra, ra.
If we have any notion of stopping the Bradfords of this world, we must first eradicate the PC culture that has infiltrated every part of New Zealand society. The very first place to start is at schools; we need purge feminism and political correctness from education and start again with more pragmatic men being in control. Children need a balance between male and female, and they are not getting it at present; between solo mums and female teachers, what male influence are our children being exposed to?…Very little indeed.
Now returning to the point at hand, if CYFS Watch really want to make a change, they need to do a lot more than a website. While blogging is a good method to convey messages, it doesn’t really resonate with politicians. I know this from my own experience with my anti-political correctness blog; it’s not enough. It is time to start hitting the streets in mass protest, much the same way as Islamists get exposure. Or for that matter, the same way as Bradford, herself, got exposure. You have to milk the media, the television media.
When I return to New Zealand in September this year, I intend doing this. Ranting and raving on blog sites is not enough.
My blog for those who are interested is: www. friedbrains.com
PS. I am also the cartoonist for the Campaign Against Political Correctness in the UK.
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:51 pm
I would just like to add my two cents worth. I was just starting to post on CYFS Watch last night when it was pulled. As I said in one post, while I don’t condone violence and threats, etc, I can understand it; I can understand how people are now getting totally frustrated. New Zealand, like other western nations, is a so-called democracy, but it really isn’t. When a bill like the smacking one is likely to be passed when 80% oppose it, we are not talking about democracy, are we?
What we are seeing in NZ and elsewhere are countries run by minority groups and political correctness. In NZ’s case feminism and political correctness have been the driving force behind our demise. They are the driving force behind education, affirmative-action type policies, and they now control all government departments; they are the silent communists that have entered through the back door.
They are now so much in control of ordinary citizens, it’s almost impossible to turn it around. It doesn’t really matter which major party you vote for; they are both centrist. While I thought we had a chance of turning it around with Brash with his political-correctness eradicator, I am not at all sure about Key (John-Boy Key). I emailed Key and cc’d my email to all National’s MPs about my concerns over the termination of the PC Eradicator port folio. To my surprise, he emailed me back assuring me that he was concerned about political correctness…..ra, ra, ra.
If we have any notion of stopping the Bradfords of this world, we must first eradicate the PC culture that has infiltrated every part of New Zealand society. The very first place to start is at schools; we need purge feminism and political correctness from education and start again with more pragmatic men being in control. Children need a balance between male and female, and they are not getting it at present; between solo mums and female teachers, what male influence are our children being exposed to?…Very little indeed.
Now returning to the point at hand, if CYFS Watch really want to make a change, they need to do a lot more than a website. While blogging is a good method to convey messages, it doesn’t really resonate with politicians. I know this from my own experience with my anti-political correctness blog; it’s not enough. It is time to start hitting the streets in mass protest, much the same way as Islamists get exposure. Or for that matter, the same way as Bradford, herself, got exposure. You have to milk the media, the television media.
When I return to New Zealand in September this year, I intend doing this. Ranting and raving on blog sites is not enough.
My blog for those who are interested is: www. friedbrains.com
PS. I am also the cartoonist for the Campaign Against Political Correctness in the UK.
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:57 pm
I would just like to add my two cents worth. I was just starting to post on CYFS Watch last night when it was pulled. As I said in one post, while I don’t condone violence and threats, etc, I can understand it; I can understand how people are now getting totally frustrated. New Zealand, like other western nations, is a so-called democracy, but it really isn’t. When a bill like the smacking one is likely to be passed when 80% oppose it, we are not talking about democracy, are we?
What we are seeing in NZ and elsewhere are countries run by minority groups and political correctness. In NZ’s case feminism and political correctness have been the driving force behind our demise. They are the driving force behind education, affirmative-action type policies, and they now control all government departments; they are the silent communists that have entered through the back door.
They are now so much in control of ordinary citizens, it’s almost impossible to turn it around. It doesn’t really matter which major party you vote for; they are both centrist. While I thought we had a chance of turning it around with Brash with his political-correctness eradicator, I am not at all sure about Key (John-Boy Key). I emailed Key and cc’d my email to all National’s MPs about my concerns over the termination of the PC Eradicator port folio. To my surprise, he emailed me back assuring me that he was concerned about political correctness…..ra, ra, ra.
If we have any notion of stopping the Bradfords of this world, we must first eradicate the PC culture that has infiltrated every part of New Zealand society. The very first place to start is at schools; we need purge feminism and political correctness from education and start again with more pragmatic men being in control. Children need a balance between male and female, and they are not getting it at present; between solo mums and female teachers, what male influence are our children being exposed to?…Very little indeed.
Now returning to the point at hand, if CYFS Watch really want to make a change, they need to do a lot more than a website. While blogging is a good method to convey messages, it doesn’t really resonate with politicians. I know this from my own experience with my anti-political correctness blog; it’s not enough. It is time to start hitting the streets in mass protest, much the same way as Islamists get exposure. Or for that matter, the same way as Bradford, herself, got exposure. You have to milk the media, the television media.
When I return to New Zealand in September this year, I intend doing this. Ranting and raving on blog sites is not enough.
My blog for those who are interested is: www. friedbrains.com
PS. I am also the cartoonist for the Campaign Against Political Correctness in the UK.
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:59 pm
I would just like to add my two cents worth. I was just starting to post on CYFS Watch last night when it was pulled. As I said in one post, while I don’t condone violence and threats, etc, I can understand it; I can understand how people are now getting totally frustrated. New Zealand, like other western nations, is a so-called democracy, but it really isn’t. When a bill like the smacking one is likely to be passed when 80% oppose it, we are not talking about democracy, are we?
What we are seeing in NZ and elsewhere are countries run by minority groups and political correctness. In NZ’s case feminism and political correctness have been the driving force behind our demise. They are the driving force behind education, affirmative-action type policies, and they now control all government departments; they are the silent communists that have entered through the back door.
They are now so much in control of ordinary citizens, it’s almost impossible to turn it around. It doesn’t really matter which major party you vote for; they are both centrist. While I thought we had a chance of turning it around with Brash with his political-correctness eradicator, I am not at all sure about Key (John-Boy Key). I emailed Key and cc’d my email to all National’s MPs about my concerns over the termination of the PC Eradicator port folio. To my surprise, he emailed me back assuring me that he was concerned about political correctness…..ra, ra, ra.
If we have any notion of stopping the Bradfords of this world, we must first eradicate the PC culture that has infiltrated every part of New Zealand society. The very first place to start is at schools; we need purge feminism and political correctness from education and start again with more pragmatic men being in control. Children need a balance between male and female, and they are not getting it at present; between solo mums and female teachers, what male influence are our children being exposed to?…Very little indeed.
Now returning to the point at hand, if CYFS Watch really want to make a change, they need to do a lot more than a website. While blogging is a good method to convey messages, it doesn’t really resonate with politicians. I know this from my own experience with my anti-political correctness blog; it’s not enough. It is time to start hitting the streets in mass protest, much the same way as Islamists get exposure. Or for that matter, the same way as Bradford, herself, got exposure. You have to milk the media, the television media.
When I return to New Zealand in September this year, I intend doing this. Ranting and raving on blog sites is not enough.
My blog for those who are interested is: www. friedbrains.com
PS. I am also the cartoonist for the Campaign Against Political Correctness in the UK.
February 23rd, 2007 at 10:56 am
I am curious as to why some postings are repeated over and over. Is it to look like there are a lot of people contributing?
I agree that cyfs have a lot to answer for but questioning the countries democracy is just ridiculous. There are a few things wrong with this country, but would you rather be in, I don’t know lets say, China. Where a blog like this would be banded in minutes. Or maybe West Africa where the idea of a computer is as far fetched as Star Wars and there biggest problem is finding food. If you threatened any official in most countries, including the UK, men in black jackets would be beating down your door. You live in a country where you can complain and not get shot. You live in a country that embraces the little guy to the point that every community group can walk down to parliament and stand at the steps and protest, without getting shot.
Now the ridiculous and ironic idea of threatening violence against an MP. Firstly they have the SIS which would find you within minutes, secondly this is an anti-smacking bill so be creative for a change and have an anti-violent protest. Gandhi did it, you can too.
Of course our country needs change, every country does. We have become lazy and expect others to change the world for us and when nothing happens we curse the world or the government. Stop complaining on sites like this and start crying from the tallest hill. People will listen if you are in their face and if they don’t listen complain to the next person. It is difficult and you will get a raft of set backs. But if you give up, what are you then? If the people before us gave up as easy the world would be a horrible place. I am behind you a hundred percent but please be creative and stop threatening people.
February 24th, 2007 at 1:12 am
Oh come on people this is practically a death threat.Death threats arfe illegal.
Women who work at the refuges get death threats, envelopes containing semen etc etc. Many more women are killed by men in this country than visa versa. Women reading the news in this country get about 10 times the amount of abusive mail as the men.
This threatening of women on a blog is just an extension of violence against women and children. And women are also abusive to other women because lets face it women are easy targets. A man might give you a job or promotion or might be able to defend himself so you will think twice about threatening him but women are often easy targets for all. Yeah if you are convicted of beating your wife in NZ the Herald will not even publish your name unless of course you have beaten her to death. And thats Herald Policy not enforced on them by the courts.Some cases do have legal name suppression but the Herald Blanks out the ones that don’t. Thats real supression for you. Thats real political correctness when a convicted criminals name is not even published out of subservience to men who I guess spend the most money on advertising.
But guess what women buy newspapers so deserve a better deal than that.
Tezza seems quite chauvanistic. I wouldn’t blame the demise of this country on feminism or affirmative action. How has feminism wreaked our country prey tell me and I’ll give you my take on it.
February 24th, 2007 at 1:15 am
Oh come on people this is practically a death threat. Death threats are illegal.
Women who work at the refuges get death threats, envelopes containing semen etc etc. Many more women are killed by men in this country than visa versa. Women reading the news in this country get about 10 times the amount of abusive mail as the men.
This threatening of women on a blog is just an extension of violence against women and children. And women are also abusive to other women because lets face it women are easy targets. A man might give you a job or promotion or might be able to defend himself so you will think twice about threatening him but women are often easy targets for all. Yeah if you are convicted of beating your wife in NZ the Herald will not even publish your name unless of course you have beaten her to death. And thats Herald Policy not enforced on them by the courts.Some cases do have legal name suppression but the Herald Blanks out the ones that don’t. Thats real supression for you. Thats real political correctness when a convicted criminals name is not even published out of subservience to men who I guess spend the most money on advertising.
But guess what women buy newspapers so deserve a better deal than that.
Tezza seems quite chauvanistic. I wouldn’t blame the demise of this country on feminism or affirmative action. How has feminism wreaked our country prey tell me and I’ll give you my take on it.
February 24th, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Squirrel, I don’t waste my time with people that come out with simple first-line-of-defence words that contain an ‘ist’ or a ‘phobe such as “chauvanistic.”
From my experience these people are usually blocked from the outset; they are not open to learning; they are the brainwashed politically correct.
March 1st, 2007 at 12:18 pm
Tezza – the majority of the citizens of this country elected the government that is in place. Those in parliament were elected with the obligation to make these decisions on our behalf.
The Sec.59 bill needs a majority of politicians’ support to be passed.
If you can’t recognise that as democracy, you never will.
March 8th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Cyps are a gang of itself. Just like the IRD. They are a bunch of childless untrained staff who dont know how to deal with true family issues. They have no idea what actually happens in families, they are very quick to remove children from parents and think they are doing what is in the best interest of the child. Of course they learned ‘what the best interests of the child’ are whilst on a training course. Not life experience. They treat all situations the same when we all know all situations are different. Its a department that we could all do without. They make more trouble than solve anything, and they deal with the petty little things instead of helping kids who really need it. According to them they are never wrong, and you are immediately branded as a bad parent. If we are stuck with them then they should at least do their job properly.
March 8th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
Cyps are a gang of itself. Just like the IRD. They are a bunch of childless untrained staff who dont know how to deal with true family issues. They have no idea what actually happens in families, they are very quick to remove children from parents and think they are doing what is in the best interest of the child. Of course they learned ‘what the best interests of the child’ are whilst on a training course. Not life experience. They treat all situations the same when we all know all situations are different. Its a department that we could all do without. They make more trouble than solve anything, and they deal with the petty little things instead of helping kids who really need it. According to them they are never wrong, and you are immediately branded as a bad parent. If we are stuck with them then they should at least do their job properly.
April 15th, 2007 at 6:01 pm
Cyfstalk and assocciated sites are down… enemy action? or co-incidence? All 200+ sites hosted by that particular server are offline because of this Denial Of Service.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:39 pm
is it alright for a cyps worker to sit with a child (7) while the mother is out of the room and say.. Don’t trust your mother ?
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August 3rd, 2007 at 6:14 pm
reply to sick (March 8th, 2007 at 7:27 pm) well someone has to do this job.. how bout u go and help out if u can do better ? u will find that u have to follow procedures caused by govt and the catholic service.