FBI Director heckled

April 28th, 2007 at 5:20 pm by David Farrar

Some boorish students at Harvard heckled the FBI Director during a speech he had been invited to give. What I find hilarious is what they were protesting over:

“Freedom for political prisoners!” the protestor shouted. “Justice for Herman Bell!”

So one protester was on about a 36 year old conviction of Herman Bell for shooting two police officers in the back. This somehow makes him a political prisoner. And incidentally nothing much to do with the FBI – was a New York state matter, except they arrested him in another state.

“We will never forget the role of the FBI in McCarthyism screamed Michael A. Gould-Wartofsky!”

And another is obsessed with something that finished over 50 years ago.

protests ranging from “stop the unconstitutional repression of the environment”

How the hell do you unconstitutionally repress the environment and what the hell has the FBI got to do with it? Perhaps they arrested it, and forgot to read it its Miranda rights!

“to close Guantanamo”

And do the FBI run Guantanamo? No.

So we had one person protesting for a convicted cop killer, another against a US Senator from the 1940s and 50s, another about the environment, and another on a military run detention centre.

I’m surprised one of them wasn’t also heckling the FBI Director for their role in prohibition in the 30s.

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30 Responses to “FBI Director heckled”

  1. phil u () says:

    um..dpf said..”.

    “protests ranging from..“stop the unconstitutional repression of the environment”

    yes..that would refer to the wholesale dismantling of environmental protections under bush….

    this leaves him open to charges of constitutional dereliction of duty…

    (do/can you not ‘grasp’ that concept..?..dpf..?..)

    and no..of course the fbi has absolutely nothing to do with guantanamo..

    (do you still believe in the tooth fairy.?..dpf..?..)

    so..nothing to protest against there..eh dpf..?

    (i mean..everything is so fucken hunky-dory..isn’t it..?)

    underneath the american president you have so long boosted in his murderous/malevolent/war-mongering insane doings..

    eh..?

    mind you..you do have a pattern of following ‘strong-leaders’…no matter what evils they may be perpetrating..

    (cf..yr support(still!)/adulation/sycophantic-boosting of the evils perpetrated by richardson/shipley…as they (to quote shipley)..”..led bolger by the elbows..)

    eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  2. Swiftman () says:

    You need help, Phillip.

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  3. Selma Bouvier () says:

    David , the FBI are involved in interrogations at Gitmo, but have also noticed use of torture by the military against detainees
    http://foia.fbi.gov/guantanamo/122106.htm
    The euphemism ‘aggressive treatment’ is used instead of torture

    The FBI has ( in the last 2 years ) been using illegal ( again ) methods with so called National Security letters which go to Banks , business , ISP to snoop on individuals.

    Who knows what other illegal activity is going on undisclosed right now, since Gonzales is an incompetent of the first rate .
    A Texas real estate lawyer whos only ability is loyalty to the Bushes.

    The FBI incompetence over the 9/11 high jackers is well known. Thats ancient history though.

    Try ‘FBI illegal’ under google and you get 1.3 million hits

    Ominously the FBi now sees ‘Election fraud’ as a top prioity

    “First, rooting out corruption in our systems of government is the FBI’s top criminal investigative priority. Those systems start with the right to vote.”
    http://www.fbi.gov/page2/april06/electioncrime041406.htm

    Along with firing US Attorneys who go after Republicans instead of Democrats, the Bush White House will want to restrict the vote in Swing states like Ohio, Florida and so on

    Assistant Attorney General Alice Fisher who runs the Criminal Divsion was appointed by Bush in a recess appointment ( to avoid any scutiny of her partisan activities for the GOP)
    Earlier in her career, Ms. Fisher served as Deputy Special Counsel to the U.S. Senate Special Committee to Investigate Whitewater Development and Related Matters

    But Guantanamo turns up again.

    Alice S. Fisher was appointed by President George W. Bush in a recess appointment August 31, 2005, as Assistant Attorney General to head the Criminal Division in the Department of Justice.

    Fisher was nominated March 29, 2005, and her nomination was sent to the Senate April 4, 2005. Her nomination was stalled over interrogation tactics at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, naval facility.
    Fisher of course has no prosecutor experience

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  4. Det - C.I.U () says:

    Mr Whoar laments (do you still believe in the tooth fairy.?..dpf..?..)

    New intelligence has also revealed that the tooth fairy and Easter bunny were responsible for 9 /11.

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  5. phil_u... eh? () says:

    um..phil said..”.

    …eh?..

    “protests ranging from..“eh? phil… eh?… unconstitutional whoar… eh? of the eh?…”

    eh..that would refer to the wholesale dismantling of environmental phil u… under eh….

    this leaves him open to charges of constitutional dereliction of duty…

    (do/can you not ‘phil’ that concept..?..eh..?..)

    and no..of course eh?.. fbi has absolutely nothing to do with… eh..?

    (do you still believe in the whoar.?..dpf..?..)

    so..nothing to eh there..eh dpf..?

    (i mean..everything is so fucken hunky-dory..isn’t it..? eh? eh? eh? eh…)

    underneath the american president you have so long boosted in his murderous/malevolent/war-mongering insane doings..

    eh..?

    mind you..you do have a pattern of following ‘strong-leaders’…no matter what evils they may be perpetrating.. eh?

    (cf..yr phil eh…? support(still!)/adulation/sycophantic-boosting of the evils perpetrated by richardson/shipley… phil they (to quote shipley)..”..led bolger by the elbows..)

    eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  6. phil u () says:

    interesting how the right continue their pattern of never addressing any questions that are raised..

    nor do they seem capable of ever presenting any counter-arguments..

    all they seem to be able to do is engage in disjointed personal abuse of the questioner..

    but that’s ok..

    by their own words they show the shallowness/fallacies in all what (laughably) passes for ideas in their strange little worlds..

    carry on..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  7. reid () says:

    Yeh I’m afraid you’re right phil.

    I can’t understand either why some people haven’t yet picked up on the obvious fact that Bush and most of the current political leadership has always acted against the best interests of the American people and the Republic.

    It’s blindingly obvious to me and many American’s, such as that well known lefty, Lee Iococca.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17516.htm

    Most of the people I talk to also feel the same way. Hard to understand why some of the people on this blog still appear to think Bush is manfully doing his best under wartime conditions.

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  8. Linda Axford () says:

    “So one protester was on about a 36 year old conviction of Herman Bell for shooting two police officers in the back. This somehow makes him a political prisoner. And incidentally nothing much to do with the FBI – was a New York state matter, except they arrested him in another state.”

    This is just your slant on the story, DPF, there is a helluva lot more to the Herman Bell saga than that, too much to write here, and yes, it does concern the FBI. I haven’t got the time to be linking articles, find out for yourself.

    Linda A

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  9. David Farrar () says:

    No Phil implementing policies you do not approve of does not make something uncnstitutional. Any first year law student could tell you that.

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  10. phillipjohn () says:

    “another against a US Senator from the 1940s and 50s”

    Um … surely you know about John Edgar Hoover’s role in McCarthyism David? He was director of the FBI at the time.

    Wikipedia has this to say

    “Hoover has frequently been accused of exceeding and abusing his authority. He is known to have investigated individuals and groups because of their political beliefs rather than suspected criminal activity as well as using the FBI for other extralegal activities such as burglaries and illegal wiretaps.”

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  11. phil u () says:

    david..

    i think you will find there are currently cases before the american courts challenging the wholesale dismantling of the protections for the environment by this government..

    and these cases are being taken/argued on constitutional grounds..

    as in bush has breached his constitutional duties/responsibilities..

    i am surprised you aren’t aware of this development..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  12. Redbaiter () says:

    “interesting how the right continue their pattern of never addressing any questions that are raised..”

    That’s rich coming from a snivelling coward who routinely accuses Bush of being a liar about Iraq but is unable to provide one example to back up his allegations.

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  13. Redbaiter () says:

    “i am surprised you aren’t aware of this development..?”

    He’s probably not like you Phil, (and PJ of course) a subscriber to the Green Left Weekly or any of those other semi religious pathetic commie publications full of looney leftist conspiracy theories and designed to appeal to immature half educated impressionable 15 year olds and/ or intellectually diminished adults who have never managed to develop past that stage in life.

    Maybe he’s even a total heretic, and doesn’t believe all that bullshit- The Faye Richwite Prebble Conspiracy, the fake moon landing conspiracy, the no plane hit the Pentagon conspiracy theory, the Bin laden Bush family Conspiracy theory, The CIA financed Bin Laden conspiracy theory, the CIA flew the planes into the towers conspiracy theory, the world is coming to an end from lack of food, global cooling, global warming, climate change, starvation, financial collapse, over population, rising sea levels, drought, depletion of resources, approaching meteors conspiracy theory, the peak oil conspiracy theory, the One World Government conspiracy theory, the Brash Brethren conspiracy theory, the Klark Brethren conspiracy theory, the Port Arthur John Howard conspiracy theory, the Madrid train bombings conspiracy theory, the Lee Harvey Oswald conspiracy theory, the Marilyn Monroe was killed by the Kennedy’s conspiracy theory, the barcodes conspiracy theory, the Bilderberg conspiracy, the killing of the electric car conspiracy theory, the repression of water as a fuel conspiracy theory, the Elders of Zion conspiracy theory, the Diana was killed by the British Secret Service conspiracy theory, and of course, lets not forget the real biggie, the vast right wing conspiracy theory-

    I could go on, but you get the drift..

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  14. phil u () says:

    you forgot the vast left wing conspiracy..

    nothing to see anywhere there..!..eh rb..?

    but your first comment really cracked me up..

    “..bush didn’t lie..!..”

    (heh-heh..!..)

    redbaiter..i think you need to watch the bill moyes pbs doco that screened in america the other day..

    the one that shows that rarely..if ever..

    did bush tell the truth about iraq..

    i watched it this morning..

    hence yr ‘honest george’ defence of bush..just a couple of hours later..cracking me up..

    you want evidence rb..?

    go there..!

    more porkies/lies from the bush jnr/cheney/powell et. al…

    ..than you can poke a stick at..

    and the major media figures in america telling us how they were browbeaten/sucked in/intimidated..

    it’s a fascinating little doco…

    and the new york times..!..and the washington post..!

    whoar..!..the supposed titans of the print media..supposed titans not just n size..but in credibility..

    boy..!..do they come out of it ‘stinking’..

    and not in a good way..eh..?

    go..!..watch..!..then get back to us..eh..?

    with yr laughable ‘honest george’ delusion..

    eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  15. Redbaiter () says:

    REPOST-

    “interesting how the right continue their pattern of never addressing any questions that are raised..”

    That’s rich coming from a snivelling coward who routinely accuses Bush of being a liar about Iraq but is unable to provide one example to back up his allegations.

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  16. phillipjohn () says:

    So you need some proof of Bush’s lie hey baiter. Well here’s a place to start my rabid friend.

    Rocco Martino, an Italian who described himself as a security consultant, scrabbled around the fringes of the intelligence world until he got in touch with one of Italy’s sources in the Niger embassy in Rome, later dubbed La Signora. Together they forged documents purporting to show that Niger had sold uranium to Iraq, and then tried to peddle these to contacts in the intelligence world. They found their way to the CIA and British intelligence.

    The CIA sent a former ambassador, Joseph Wilson, who had served in Iraq and West Africa, in February 2002 to investigate.
    After interviewing relevant officials, Wilson concluded there was no basis to the claim. The State Department had reached the same conclusion, as had the US embassy in Niger.

    Despite this refutation of the claim that Iraq imported uranium from Niger, it could not be killed. It was included the following September in Britain’s white paper on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. It was included by Bush in his state of the union address in January 2003, despite four earlier explicit warnings by the CIA that it was problematic. In mid-2003, thanks partly to the energetic efforts of Wilson, the US Government retracted the Niger claim.

    To the extent that there was any intelligence basis for asserting Iraq had a nuclear program, beyond the false claims about uranium imports, it involved its importation of aluminium tubes.

    After a debate inside government circles for the best part of a year, the State Department and the US Energy Department, the group with the strongest expertise on the subject, had concluded the tubes were not for a centrifuge program. British and Australian intelligence seem to have reached a similar view.

    For whatever reason, Turner’s view prevailed inside the CIA and several reports were sent to government leaders, without the knowledge of the technical experts in State and Energy, who thought the issue was closed.

    After Iraq allowed access to UN weapons inspectors, from late 2002, the International Atomic Energy Agency was able to see the tubes being used in hundreds of rockets, as Iraq had said. On January 9 the agency reported the tubes were not suitable for a nuclear centrifuge.

    The agency’s chief, Mohamed ElBaradei, made his final prewar report to the UN in early March 2003, concluding it had no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq.

    In one of the few official responses, Cheney simply said: “I think Mr ElBaradei frankly is wrong”, without bothering to address the evidence laid out by the agency.

    for the rest of the storyy … http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/world/one-lie-leads-to-another/2007/04/28/1177459990514.html

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  17. Redbaiter () says:

    “redbaiter..i think you need to watch the bill moyes pbs doco that screened in america the other day..”

    Yeah sure, and after that, I’ll watch the Fidel Castro produced docu-drama “How We Good and Brave Communist Soldiers Made Cuba A Roaring Economic Success and The Envy of The Western World”..

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  18. Redbaiter () says:

    “for the rest of the storyy”

    I don’t want any story, full of contrived reporting, obfuscation, unproven allegations, fiction and romance. I want what you say is a lie from George Bush. Just one lie, (the best example you can find so we can then judge the worth of any others) in the words he spoke, with a date and time. That’s all you dimwitted time wasting commie fruitcake. If you can’t respond to this simple request other than with long over written unspecific partisan bullshit, then piss off.

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  19. David Farrar () says:

    PJ of course I know about Hoover. Who doesn’t. But to disrupt a meeting 50 years later to protest about him – how batty is that.

    It would be like me screaming obscenities at Michael Cullen because I was still upset over Nordmeyer’s Black Budget.

    Or me yelling abuse at the Police Commissioner because The Govt hasn’t got a Kyoto policy.

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  20. phillipjohn () says:

    “But to disrupt a meeting 50 years later to protest about him – how batty is that.”

    never disputed that point – I just wondered why you didn’t seem to be able to make the connection between McCarthyism and the FBI, that’s all.

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  21. phillipjohn () says:

    Baiter:

    The CIA and the state department were of the opinion that Niger had not sold uranium to Iraq, yet Bush reported that they had. Either Bush had no contact with the CIA or the State Department over this matter, or he was lying. I’d say that the odds are about 50-1 in favour of the latter.

    Are the scales finally starting to fall from your eyes now?

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  22. Redbaiter () says:

    Either comply with my simple request or shoot thru time waster. You’re as bad as the hapless Phool. No facts, just speculation and allegation. Anyone can do that. Joe Stalin’s Bluecaps and Hitler’s Brownshirts were expert at it, before they tried all of their political prisoners in their kangaroo courts, and sent them off to the gulags. You people call Bush a Nazi when its you who behave that way.

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  23. phil u () says:

    you truely are barking’..redbaiter..

    not much point in trying to talk to a mad-man..eh..?

    over and out..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  24. Redbaiter () says:

    Maybe then Phil, you gutless hypocrite, you’ll shut the fuck up about anyone else not answering questions.

    Mad man??

    “Members and front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them as fascist, or Nazi or insane …. The association will, after enough repetition, become “fact” in the public mind.”

    Communist Party, Moscow Central Committee 1943

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  25. phil u () says:

    nah..!..i don’t need to say/do anything..rb..

    all in your own words..eh..?

    you..d4j..and chucky..and chicky..

    are the current vanguard of the truely rabid/barking right..

    and with all of you..

    it is all in your own words/frothing..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  26. Peter Metcalfe () says:

    Philip John:

    The CIA and the state department were of the opinion that Niger had not sold uranium to Iraq, yet Bush reported that they had.

    You might try getting your facts straight. George Bush did not report that Niger had sold uranium to Iraq, he made a milder and sustainable claim that the Iraqis had sought uranium from Africa. An intelligence agency within the State Department had disputed this assessment at the time but every other agency involved (over a dozen) had agreed with the assessment of the evidence at the time, including the CIA.

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  27. phil u () says:

    peter m..

    in the bill moyes doco screened last week in america…

    and available on-line..(let google be your friend..)

    he reports that bush did indeed parrot that niger-uranium lie…on four different/recorded occaisons..

    and every/each time..bush/cheney knew it was a bald-faced lie..

    is that enough evidence for you ..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  28. Redbaiter () says:

    The fact that you think a friggin Bill Moyes doco is evidence of just how deranged and out of touch with reality you are you smearing coward.

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  29. phil u () says:

    so..it’s bill moyes (pulitzer prize winning media maven..)

    showing vid of bush lying about niger uranium..

    vs redbaiter..(rabid rightwing nutbar/nutjob..who comments (anonymously) on a rightwing blog..

    saying ..’..it isn’t so..!..”

    who should we believe..?

    eh..?

    just who is ‘deranged and out of touch’ here..?..

    eh..?

    you are a sad/bad/deluded joke..redbaiter..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  30. exocet () says:

    ‘The FBI’s role in McCarthyisim’

    HA HAHAHAHA!

    Oh the pantywaisted chickenlittles of the left!, do you know the most interesting about Joe McCarthy?.

    He was right.

    Google ‘Venona’ chickenlittles!

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