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I think you underestimate the power of incumbency, especially in the last year of a Parliament

Yeah, that really helped them out in 2005.

~2% sonic or around 30-40,000 votes & most of those came from Mangere.

Good luck with that.

I think you underestimate the power of incumbency, especially in the last year of a Parliament.”

So Sonic, please clarify – are you suggesting that Labour is worthy of our support BECAUSE it is the incumbent Government? Or are you saying that incumbency is the only thing that Labour has going for it any more?

There is now quite a bit of public sympathy for the EBs because of the level of vitriol spewed out by Labour against them.

This battle is politics, and that is all about perception.

Helen Clark was caught out big time with the Bob McCoskrie interview- there is no question that her statements to him regarding S59 were, at the very least, a deliberate deception, and more likely a downright lie.

People do remember that.

Most people without strong party leanings tend to distrust politicians anyway.

The EBs have outmanoevered Labour on this one, and I’m not sure that Labour have realized it yet.

Labour are facing attacks on several fronts at once, and they are not coping well with any of them. TPF & Destiny in Mangare, the Greens bleeding off support with unpopular legislation requests (in exchange for votes in parliament), and National with things like Key’s “reasonable” mediation initiatives.

The fact that this stuff from the EBs has just surfaced is no surprise. Smart money says that there is more to come that is damaging for Labour.

The EBs got slightly smart. They shut up over the PI incident, took the insults from Labour, & waited till people started to think that Labour had gone over the top. Now, with some backing of public sympathy, and Labour (& Clark) not looking good, they have started to counter punch.

Labour is looking very weak and vulnerable at the moment. Yet another bill is in danger of failing (the one about limiting access to personal records).

Someone mentioned death of a thousand cuts. It is pretty appropriate. It is looking like something you would expect to see on the National Geographic channel.

Another problem for Labour is that, as their influence wanes, their ability to interfere in the due process of police investigations is also diminishing. They have gambled on timing charges against TPF to kill off his re-election bid, but they may have already left it too late to call the shots, Doon’s successor will be looking at what happened to Doon, seeing Labour on the ropes, and wondering how he can keep his job under a National government.

Interesting times.

Simon, c’mon you believe anything Helen Clark says?, Shame on you. A phrase comes to mind, BUSTED!

I believe some of Helen’s comments etc, I believe some of John Keys comments but I believe none of the EB’s lies and falseheads!

So I take it you are part of the underground EB cells taking over the National Party ?

This would explain the hand typed, smudged document i recieved in the post that appears to be minutes of a meeting (last tuesday) between the owners of the (national party front)website http://www.clintheine.blogspot.com/ and the EB discussing damage control on the issue of the exposure of EB and national party cooperation in turning NZ into a fundamentalist nation based on white right male (and compliant female) dominated values…

You are like a recently de-nutted dogs whom has one of those cones, funnel visioned, but with a funny side to the spectacle.

“but if I was to conduct business with the EB vs HC on a handshake, it would be the EB anytime.”

It’s shameful that Labour has made such a concerted and ongoing effort to denigrate them. The hypocrisy should be astounding…

Oops, my mistake – we were talking about Labour weren’t we. Perhaps there is no difference after all. Carry on.

I doubt that anyone would want you signing up to any public enquiry.. a cheap and completely discredited liar.

Now that would be an excellent idea, where do I sign up?

We definitely need to put a stop to this kind of thing. What about a public enquiry into electoral corruption?

I think you underestimate the power of incumbency, especially in the last year of a Parliament.

All fun and games eh?

S

What I’d like to see is some investigation into Mr. Idour’s claims that the Labour Party hired detectives to dig dirt on National politicians. Any truth to this Sonic??

So what’s with the response? Are you so conditioned to lying you do it this casually?

“So don’t waste your time addressing me, not worth it.”

You said one of the Brethren had used a false name. This is a lie. A cowardly smear. All you had to do was identify the false name, instead you wrote more lies. You’re as broken down and deceitful and as desperate as the Labour Party Sonic.

BTW, is this claim not to address Redbaiter going to be as worthless as the usual stuff, where you say you’re going away and turn up again five minutes later? What an abject loser.

“Anybody think it slightly odd that the EB has taken this long to correct Labour?”

I think they have been giving Labour enough rope to hang themselves.

Seems to be working well so far !

Timing is everything in politics, as Adolf has suggested, I think all they have done so far is put the noose around their own neck, they will kick their own chair out from under themselves some time before the great lolly scramble of 2008.