Well that makes sense
All the fine people who think shops should be forced to close over Easter because of its religious origins, will be delighted to read that the Labour Department has ruled that brothels do not have to close however as they provide services not goods.
So you can’t buy a bottle of wine but you can buy sex. Makes perfect sense.
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April 9th, 2007 at 10:55 am
Years ago I worte a letter to the Government (National) about all this.
Guess what happened.
Stuff all thats what!
April 9th, 2007 at 11:12 am
But you can buy a bottle of beer or a glass of at a brothel, David, you just have to go to the right places..
April 9th, 2007 at 11:22 am
I think a new National led coalition would clean it all up though.
Gotta keep the Brethren happy!
April 9th, 2007 at 11:26 am
I suppose it could have a plus side in preventing the police and labour dept officers from doing a bit of “undercover work” in the brothels that stay open.
April 9th, 2007 at 11:30 am
Check out the Shop Trading Hours Act of 1977.
http://rangi.knowledge-basket.co.nz/gpacts/reprint/text/1977/an/008.html
It was passed by National.
It was repealed by labour in the Shop Trading hours Act of 1990, but the Xmas, Easter, Anzac restrictions were kept.
No new amendment acts were passed by National from 1991 to 1999 , so that makes it allright then.
Whats the bet that National unlike DPF keeps very quiet over this, since the last changes (2001)were made by Labour ( again) allowing garden shops to open on Easter Sunday.
Another dead rat swallowed ?
April 9th, 2007 at 11:34 am
Great stuff from the department of labia, as the P suppliers and pimps will be happy chappies unlike the neglected children of the whores that staff the brothels.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:03 pm
What are you on about Selma? I was campaigning against shop trading hour restrictions when National was in Govt. I have never made this a party political issue. The fact you are obsessed with which party was in power 30 years ago is somewhat scary.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Your pursuit of the “right to make more money” is near religious in its fervor David.
Many who are at the bottom of the employment food chain don’t have the best bosses in the world and they would be exploited without their employer being forced to just take a damn day off.
Meanwhile it is vastly ironic that such an openly anti-Christian administration is so keen to reenact the crucifiction when people defy them.
Is it your plan to delete ALL religious based holidays and festivals David? Someone smash you in the head with a Marx or something?
Do we HAVE enough lions for the job of dealing with all these nasty Christians and their cursed holy days?
At some point the origin of a holiday ceases to be what it was 5,000 years ago in a different hemisphere and becomes part of the modern “culture”. It is part of how people live now regardless of where it came from. Are you going to crinch up on us and kill santa now?
You’re self employed, you do very well for yourself doing what you do. Many many people are not driven by money the way you are and you can make money any time. Spending time with their family is valuable to them. You don’t have a family like that, why are you trying to stop them having some time with the spouse and kids? They aren’t stopping you from making money.
Smacking has Bradford, retail has Farrar?
Not good company you’re keeping there chap.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
“Your pursuit of the “right to make more money” is near religious in its fervor David.”
Murray….you fascist nonsense has already been dealt with on DPF’s previous post on Easter shopping laws….take up you swastika and your crucifix and jackboot your way over there and read it.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
The reasons for the Shop Trading Hours started 2000 years ago, but some people dont go back that far.
The original act was paased by National in 1977, tells how we got to today, via the changes in 1990 and 2001.
How you can ignore the big hole of the 1990′s and constantly have a memory that only goes back to 2000.
Yet you were alive and working in the Beehive in 1998-99. You could at least state the obvious and say National government wont be changing anything anytime soon.
After some little birdy told you about sex being services not a goods , im doing my bit to fill in your and others political history. D4J seems to not realise anything of course.
The idea that a shopping mall or supermarket can open based on those ‘volunteering’ to staff the checkouts as presented by your earlier blog displays a certain naivety common amoung the ACT party.
Any owner will certainly say if you dont come in dont come back the day after.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
AAAiieeeee Christians!!!
Flee comrades fleee.
Fuck you commies are funny.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
james froths – “crucifix and jackboot” are you talking about the Romans or the commies ??
April 9th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
Murray – you seem to want to deny people a choice of what they do on Easter. I do not wish to impose my views on anyone. I want everyone to have free choice. The argument that some bosses may try and exploit staff is not a reason to ban all staff. It’s a reason to enforce your labour laws.
I have never advocated deleting religious based holidays. I just advocate freedom of choice for how people spend them.
You get ridiculous when you suggest I am tryng to deny people the chance to spend time with their family. If that is valuable to them, then they will choose to do that. But how dare you take away their right to earn $40 an hour for a day so they can take their family away the following weekend on a better holiday?
Selma – firstly don’t invent crap about “every owner”. I know business owners. I suspect you do not. The first concern of the vast majority of business owners is to not break the law. Most won’t even want to open on Easter, but those that wish to, should be allowed to. Many small busineses are staffed by family, and they should be allowed to have the choice of openeing also.
Now back to your weird obsession with National. Let me say this slowly so even thick people can understand. I have not once attacked Labour or the Govt on this issue. I have not even mentioned them in this thread. My comments are aimed at Parliament as a whole. This should be obvious to those not retarded. You seem incapable of comprehending this. You keep trying to bring political parties in, when I have not attacked any party over this. Stop it – you make yourself look stupid.
April 9th, 2007 at 3:02 pm
David , time to stop the little game about ‘not bringing political parties in’.
Labour , who are the only ones with any history of any action at all, have bought about the present situation of all week trading , except for Easter, Anzac, Xmas.
They wont go any further since its a union thing to have especially easter off.
National wont do anything at all ( matching their previous inaction, except when_ Muldoon created the Shop Trading Hours Commission!!)) since the social conservatives , like the Catholic mafia of mainly ex St Bede old boys, will prevent any changes to Christian holidays being off limits for unrestricted shopping.
They far outnumber your little faction of big city liberals and are much more likely to try close brothels completely to “correct” the anomaly.(Do I detect a whiff of past battles lost with this group of heavies led by Gerry & Bill)
This is the real reason you havent pushed a partisan stance on this , since your party has a record of no action. You are smart enough to tip toe around hoping no one will notice.
But thanks for bringing it up, Ive given a chronology of how we got to the present situation, and laid bare the facts why ‘parliament’ wont be doing anything, in the life of this government and any future national one. If this is ‘stupidity’ , so be it.
April 9th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Selma
Great point – Muldoon also brought in the wage a price freeze and I have yet to hear John Key come out publically and state that it is not current policy. DPF – you too have been strangely quiet on this subject…
April 9th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
I think its great having the shops shut over Easter.It is part of our traditions and makes for a good break for all the community.I think we should go further and close the shops on Sunday as well-like we used to.Its a very nice rhythm to life-work 6 days and then take a day off.
Also it helps people to relax and realise they are part of a community.So many people seem to be stressed out as they pursue money and material gain at the expense of family,community and spiritual life.
April 9th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
Selma – “like the Catholic mafia of mainly ex St Bede old boys”
Careful bitch !!
April 9th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
I would like the shops and brothels to stay shut on Easter.
There is a wider issue-if we open shops on Good Friday and Easter Sunday we are not respecting those holidays as a community.To push for the shops to be open will affect the whole community and the respect in which Easter is held.
I hope we would as a country continue to respect Easter and 2000 years of Christian tradition.Let’s keep the holiday as a holiday.
April 9th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Selma, I recall Muldoon brought in Saturday trading against Labour opposition. I can’t swear to it though as I was in school at the time. I can’t recall Sunday shopping but I do recall that every vote in the last decade or so has tended to be a conscience issue.
The main opponents of liberalisation are morally conservative MPs and unionists. That crosses political boundaries.
But the votes have been moderately close the last few times.
And Selma please do not have the arrogance and stupidity to tell me on my blog what my motivations are. I have not mentioned political parties because it is a conscience issue.
You seem to be deluded that everything I post here is in my role as trying to gain votes for National.
April 9th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
Selma – “like the Catholic mafia of mainly ex St Bede old boys”
Remember Matai Industries bitch ?? I know how Labour sold the people of the West Coast another dud , you talk about the history of dirty politic’s bitch , you know nothing labia snake !!
April 9th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
Oh right, National legalised neighbourhood brothels, I forgot.
Labour department inspectors – the only public servants to work on weekends and holidays! I bet those little capitalists are getting triple time and a day in lieu.
This makes perfect sense – labour trying to buy votes by appealing to its constituents?
But they might have misjudged. This is clear discrimination against homosexuals and other minorities. If your friendly neighbourhood brothel is allowed to take family members away from “family day” what about hero parades, gay bars, labour party clubrooms…
April 9th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
Selma bitch writes ” im doing my bit to fill in your and others political history. D4J seems to not realise anything of course.”
Matai Industries was destroyed by the Labour communists (1973) ! Fact even the right honourable Norman Kirk was disgusted . I wonder if the brothels are open today in Greymouth,Runanga, Reefton and Westport ? Gangster Mr Brown has them all open in Christchurch and Queenstown as his court case said he can !!! Suck on that twisted/corrupt labia person !!
April 9th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Appreciate your conscience Vs partisan take on this. Do you thinks perhaps D4J’s comments can be deleted, quite frankly they are filth even by his standards. Not the first time he’s dragged the comments section below gutter level.
April 9th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
Appreciate your conscience Vs partisan take on this. Do you thinks perhaps D4J’s comments can be deleted, quite frankly they are filth even by his standards. Not the first time he’s dragged the comments section below gutter level.
April 9th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
Shaz does the truth hurt ?
April 9th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Appreciate your conscience Vs partisan take on this. Do you thinks perhaps D4J’s comments can be deleted, quite frankly they are filth even by his standards. Not the first time he’s dragged the comments section below gutter level.
April 9th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
“I want everyone to have free choice. The argument that some bosses may try and exploit staff is not a reason to ban all staff. It’s a reason to enforce your labour laws.”
Unfortunately the problem with allowing opening at all is that there are some situations you categorically know cannot be avoided, labour laws or nay.
For example, a business owner wants to open on a public holiday. None of their staff want to work. However, a %age of their staff have poor employment records for whatever reason – a divorce, a partner with depression causing erratic start times or random “sick days” taken off to deal with family issues, etc. These don’t have to be the result of incompetence or malice on the part of the employee, sometimes people just go through tough patches in life which have a negative impact on their work. Just ask Don Brash.
But, if they’ve affected their compliance with contractual obligations these employees may, for example, have been given warnings relating to the problems. And they know that the next time something happens their job will likely be at the mercy of their employer, who gets to make the choice to retain or fire them based on, effectively, inclination and goodwill. If one finds oneself in that situation it might be quietly suggested to you that it’d be a good way to get “back on-side” by volunteering for some extra pay on a public holiday.
The problem is, that’s not actually a situation in which free choice is being made – coercion and power relationships are being used to pressure somebody into a particular choice. While that might be a dubious area in terms of employment law it’s still very hard for an employee in that situation to make a case against their employer, because anything that they might be being officially dismissed for would be indisputable – despite the fact that they’d actually be dismissed for exercising their rights to choose a day off.
So if you want people, universally, to be able to have a day off if they want one then legislating closure is the only way to do it that is likely to be even remotely enforceable.
But if you want stores, universally, to be able to trade when they wish then repealing the laws makes sense. It really depends where your priorities lie.
I can see arguments either way, to be honest. But claiming that allowing opening at any time gives everybody a choice is fairly fallacious, it just means that people in the most vulnerable employment situations get to take up the slack. If you’re going to advocate that path then you need to at least be honest about it. Coming out strongly in support of the current laws relating to payment and time in lieu would be a good approach to cover that base…
April 9th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
“St. Bede’s College Old Boys are notably represented in the New Zealand Parliament in the House of Representatives. Currently, they account for the greatest number of alumni of any New Zealand College to sit in the Legislature of New Zealand’s 47th and 48th Parliaments. This also includes the Executive Council (Cabinet) of the current Labour Government, where three Ministers of the Crown are St. Bede’s College Old Boys. They are: the Hon Clayton Cosgrove, the Hon Damien O’Connor, and the Hon Peter Dunne.
The former Deputy Leader of the New Zealand National Party, Mr. Gerry Brownlee, the Hon David Carter, a successful Canterbury businessman and National Party MP, and Mr. Mark Blumsky, Former Mayor of Wellington and a National Party MP are St. Bede’s College Old Boys.”
Blumsky, who would have guessed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Bede's_College,_Christchurch
Chris Finlayson is an old boy of St Pats, Wellington, ( what will D4J make of that- maybe saying thats to be expected in the ‘nutcracker party’) while Bill English went to St Pats, Silverstream
April 9th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Yes, the fact that you can single-handedly drag the discussion down and abuse someone you don’t know does hurt. It undermines the function of online fora.
April 9th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Selma tell me something I didn’t know and shaz please put a band aid on that bleeding heart .
April 9th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
It seems that the laws permit sowing of wild oats, but not cultivated oats. Strange distinction.
April 9th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
Planter -how you sprouted from the green party?? Well that makes sense .
April 9th, 2007 at 5:31 pm
So being a St Bede’s Old Boy makes one a member of the Catholic Mafia running the country? Huh. All these years and I haven’t been asked to whack anybody yet…
April 9th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
It’s the perfect Election billboard:
“Vote Labour and get fucked.”
April 9th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
Peter either have I ,still I need a hitman job – must ring the rector in the morning -lol – silly labia nutbars .
April 9th, 2007 at 6:49 pm
Brothels provide a service yes… but aren’t the workers treated as ‘goods’ during the act?
April 9th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
Selma, people have been taking days off work for religious reasons for a lot longer than 2000 years. Your bigotry’s showing.
I still think my answer’s the best. On top of annual leave, which normally has to be taken at a time to suit the employer (ie you have to get their permission), every employee should be given 10 days a year which they can take at any time, providing they give two weeks’ notice. No more than 2 of those ten days to be taken together, although with your employer’s permission you could boost them with annual leave days. Then we scrap public holidays and all the dumb trading laws that go with them.
That way everyone can choose which festivals they want to mark depending on what their families and friends are doing. Truly multicultural. If you want to celebrate Matariki instead of Queens Birthday, go to it, same with Diwali, Passover, whatever you want. Over time the economy might even get back the three days between Christmas and New Year, ie people would have to use annual leave to get them.
It always strikes me as odd that we’re so keen to preserve the rights of shop workers provided they don’t work in a petrol station, a garden centre, a fast food joint, or any of those places which are allowed to open on a reserved holiday. And DPF’s point about the irony is old news, don’t we get someone pointing out every year that on Good Friday you can buy porno mags in the garage but you can’t go to a bookstore and buy the Bible?
April 9th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
err – once again the capacity for people to invent the most far fetched scenario as a reason not to have a common sense law is amazing. I can just see you 20 year ago arguing against Saturday trading.
You somehow imagine an evil business owner who not only is desperate to open on Good Friday so he can pay staff 2.5 times their normal wages, but he or she has even gone to the trouble of accumulating demerits all year against their staff, so they can blackmail them into working on that day.
I am amazed by how much contempt you hold for employers. You act as if they are all aliens from Mars.
Back on Planet Earth, here is how it would work for 99% of employers:
Either:
(1) We will nto be open on Good Friday as it will not be profitable for us.
or
(2) We would like to open on Good Friday as we know many customers would like to shop with us that day. You will be paid 2.5 times your normal rate if you are wish to work that day. Please let Wilma know if you can work. It’s fine if you can only do half a day
April 10th, 2007 at 1:39 am
Well if the Catholic mafia via the St Bedes’ old boys is influencing then this is surely democracy at work? Who can complain? I think all were voted via electorate seats…. D4J – shut-up please.
Selma & Murray – good points raised. DPF is in a tight corner now “I do not wish to impose my views on anyone. I want everyone to have free choice….But how dare you take away their right to earn $40 an hour (DPF.4.workers.com) for a day so they can take their family away the following weekend on a better holiday?” Herein lies the contradiction. If everyone had free choice (“me” culture) then anarchy would reign (ACt folks take note). And as for this great plan to have an amazing holiday the weekend after Easter…tut tut David…as I said before, get your head out of the Beehive and into the real world. I’ll let you in on a little secret – the weekend after Easter has two less days to it.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:40 am
f everyone had free choice (“me” culture) then anarchy would reign (ACt folks take note). And as for this great plan to have an amazing holiday the weekend after Easter…tut tut David…as I said before, get your head out of the Beehive and into the real world. I’ll let you in on a little secret – the weekend after Easter has two less days to it.
Sean… take you own advice and get into the ‘real world’. I know it suits the ideological filters of some people to treat all employers like they’re evil moustache-twirlers out of a Victorian melodrama and all workers like they’re fuckwits. Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, there are plenty of folks in the workforce who don’t live their lives according to the dictates of Parliament or the unions.
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