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Could someone tell me which war those “forefathers who fought for a Christian country” were involved in? I remember several references to wars being fought variously that small nations might be free or to clear the storm clouds over europe, but I’m fucked if I can remember one involving NZ soldiers that was fought for Christianity.
Every now and again we have to suffer through a neo-fascist with messianic pretensions and his blackshirt henchmen seeking to intimidate us into accepting his intolerant and narrow views. Bishop Brian is just another small time Oswald Mosley.
I’dbe curious to know Bishop Brian’s opinions with regard to Jews. Whilst not numerically large, I’m fairly sure there have been members of the Jewish community in NZ since the earliest European settlements.
Cowardly smear? Take one transparent tinpot wannabe, give him an army of blackshirted followers, add to the mix intolerance based on culture/religious/racial difference and what have you got? Didn’t we fight that sort of thing in WW2?
I seem to recall a lot of people here declaring their reverence for our the sacrifice of our fallen on ANZAC day. Some of you should practice what you preach.
Instead, what we get is the usual drivel from Farrar’s Fascists. Maybe redbaiter with get a little runic “FF” for his shirt collar so he’ll be suitably dressed when he beats the outlanders, and imprisons the traitors?
Mr Tamaki and his followers and sympathisers are fearful. They fear that their Christian religion is being deliberately undermined by this government. The government says the inter-faith conference is not a government initiative – which is simply a falsehood – the presence of government leaders and representatives like Mr de Bres show that.
Given this government’s record of deceit, the protestations by Mrs Clark are not believable. NZers do not believe Mrs Clark and her statements. Given the numbers of non-Christian representatives in the NZ delegation to the conference, out of all proportion to their numbers in our population, the fears of Mr Tamaki and his flock are reasonable.
The question we should ask ourselves is this – why is the government doing this ? There is absolutely no need for any such conference, there is no need for ‘statements of religious diversity’, there is no need to declare that NZ is not a Christian country. The way we are proceeding is working pretty well.
I suspect Mr Tamaki and his people think that this government wants to undermine and maybe worsen the position of the Christian religion in NZ – as a part of the continuing Labour ‘progressive’ campaign to improve NZers and make them better people – better by the lights of progressive belief.
It doesn’t appear that God is about to save NZ, perhaps Mr Tamaki and his flock will. Certainly the Labour government won’t.
“Good on them. Were they the only ones with the balls to protest these damn commies? What a Stalinist basket case this country has become.”
Doesn’t surprise me that RB is a Destiny supporter – wait a destroy any last shred of credibility you had! I wonder if, being for a minimal state, you would be willing to pay Brian’s 10% tithe/income tax!
“I seem to recall a lot of people here declaring their reverence for our the sacrifice of our fallen on ANZAC day. Some of you should practice what you preach.”
You dare to use the memory of fallen ANZACs in your disgusting and cowardly smears??? What a revolting person you truly are. The rhetoric you use here against a group which has not broken any laws is reminiscent of the kind of language the Nazis used during their persecution of the Jews. You are the barbarian that is the danger TomS. If the fallen ANZACS you insult were fighting anything, it was exactly the kind of mindset exhibited by bigoted intolerant hate mongers such as you.
“So what do you have against them PJ? Alert me to the danger.”
Well there are many things, the most egregious of which is probably Bryan’s intollerance for homosexuality. That kind of repugnant bigotry has no place in a modern secular state, and I think it’s safe to say the vast majority of New Zealanders will agree with me.
For Brian Tamaki, Christianity is nothing more than a brand to be hijacked for the advancement of his pyramid extortion racket. Painting him as a spokesman for some kind of oppressed minority is a huge hoot. As for fearful, his followers certainly are. Fear is the tool that the self-ordained ‘bishop’ employs to keep the cash cow pumping. The only fear that he knows is that of being exposed as the scoundrel he is.
“Well there are many things, the most egregious of which is probably Bryan’s intollerance for homosexuality.”
Oh, you mean that he dares to express a view counter to current PC doctrines relating to homosexuality?? Well, that’s it then. He’s obviously a very dangerous man. Lets hang him from a lamp post right now PJ.
He’s obviously a very dangerous man. Lets hang him from a lamp post right now PJ.”
well, no – you have to be able to muster at least 5% of the vote in order to be a threat (let’s face it he’s never going to win a seat) – and at the moment the self-appointed Arch Bishop’s flock is stagnant at about 1%.
“you mean that he dares to express a view counter to current PC doctrines relating to homosexuality?”
you mean PC doctrines like general tolerance and respect for individual choice? Yes I already know that you think these things are a horrible scourge on our society Baiter, but the problem is that no one agrees with you save for maybe Destiny, the National Front and Chucky Bird. Once again you find yourself in impeccable company.
You said you would inform me of why he was dangerous. Now you’re saying you haven’t done that? Care to try again then?
“you mean PC doctrines like general tolerance and respect for individual choice?”
That’s the tolerance that has them locking Christians up in Canada? How many people has Tamaki jailed exactly?
“the problem is that no one agrees with you”
But if they did, that would make me right? Gawd you leftists are shallow fuckwits..
I don’t agree with persecuting homosexuals, but I’m not yet convinced that Tamaki does this, and one damn thing I know for sure, the day I join with hate driven bigots and slanderers like you PJ Woppo and TomS is the day I surrender to ignorance savagery and barbarity.
Homosexuals have decided to make themselves a politically active group. They have to expect some counter to their propaganda and their attacks on freedom of expression, attacks that make them as bad as anyone they criticize.
I don’t know much about Tamaki, and what he says or does, but hell, if he manages to get so far under the skin of repellent anti-free speech capitalist hating people like you, TomS and the rest, he must be doing something right.
Poor woppo. Another sad commie lamer who hates reading stuff that challenges his mindless mediocre by rote scribblings, but is so stunned by any challenge he can’t ever come up with any coherent counter argument.
Always amazes me that people like you can write such stuff without being aware of what a hypocrite it makes you look. Complaining of “personal abuse” but apparently lacking sufficient self control to refrain from adding to it. Weird.
What is this, the script for some cheesy slapstick sitcom? Thought I’d pay a visit for the first time in ages, this is pretty base discussion guys. I suppose Farrar has given up on any idea this would be a place for real discussion on politics and current affairs. Don’t get me wrong, if slapping each other is your thing, and David doesn’t mind, then go for it. I’m just suprised, that’s all…
So whats the point in YOUR post AJ, that just had to be made?? My advice to anyone who thought things had gone down hill would be to not risking worsening that impression by leaving off topic sanctimonious messages on a thread that died a long time ago.
Furthermore, I reject the accusation that this is no longer “a place for real discussion on politics and current affairs”.
This has always been a popular site and traffic shows no sign of dropping off. (in fact I think its steadily increasing) Mr. Farrar puts a lot of effort into writing mostly interesting and provocative lead comments. There are threads on here that are interesting, and there are threads on here that quickly die. That’s the way it goes.
Whatever, its doubtful that your supercilious empty of real content spiteful little contribution contributed much more than the worst message on this thread. So you’ve got nothing to feel superior about, especially given that attempting to portray yourself as up-market was transparently the real reason for your contribution.
What you and your thuggish mates on the left need to realize AJ is the days when they could bully and abuse those on the political right into silence and remain free of criticism are long gone.
Well hell, I can’t remember what political stance AJ normally takes, but to make such a comment seemed to me typical of a leftist. If I’m wrong about that and AJ isn’t a leftist then I withdraw and apologise. My criticism on the message remains valid tho. There’s just no point writing comments here saying the site has turned to shit. You either write something sensible and pertinent or STFU. IMHO.
“I was merely commenting on the childish nature of the insult-swapping.”
Yep, and then you had to add your own little childish insult about attending kindy. What the fuck do you think you gained??