High risk and violent but on home detention
June 15th, 2007 at 9:40 am by David FarrarHome detention is a useful corrections tool. And inevitably some people placed on it will abuse the privilege (which it is).
But why,oh why, would you put on home detention a man who was assessed to be at high risk of reoffending, and had a violent past.
Amusing that Paris Hilton can’t get home detention, yet violent likely to reoffend prisoners in NZ can.
June 15th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
I note the LA Times has now done a review of sentencing in DUI-probation cases.
The Herald carries the Reuters story on the LA Times story here:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1501119/story.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10445855
Paris’ received a sentence harsher than 80% of people convicted of a similar offence in LA (and, one interpolates, far more than 80% of first time breachers of DUI probation).
Vote:June 15th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
Her record is probably in the 20% category of the worst offenders so its useless to compare with similar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Hilton
In September 2006, Hilton was arrested and charged with driving under the influence of alcohol with a blood alcohol content of 0.08%, the minimum at which it is illegal to drive in California. Hilton’s drivers license was subsequently suspended in November 2006,[36] and in January 2007 she pled no contest to the alcohol-related reckless driving charge.[37] Her punishment was 36 months’ probation and fines of about $1,500.[38]
On January 15, 2007, Hilton was pulled over for driving with a suspended license and signed a document acknowledging that she was not permitted to drive. [39] On February 27, 2007 Hilton was caught driving 70 MPH in a 35 MPH zone, again with a suspended license. She also did not have her headlights on even though it was after dark. Prosecutors in the office of the Los Angeles City Attorney charged that those actions, along with the failure to enroll in a court-ordered alcohol education program constituted a violation of the terms of her probation.[36]
The breach of her probation a second time ( 1 month after the first) is something judges take very dimly.
Put all together she wsnt going to change!
Plus the judge may be HIS normal sentencing for such things.
The violent offender you talk about didnt get ‘home detention’ as you assert. He was sent to jail! The home detention came as part of his pre release at the end of his sentence.
Which party has the greater number of convictions – while serving as MPS !
Vote:June 15th, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Selma – you may be right about Paris, but I recall Ruth Dyson being convicted while an MP, and can’t think of any others off the top of my head (Donna, for example, was sacked before convicted; and Brownlee didn’t face conviction, and nor did Nick Smith (both their court matters were civil)).
Vote:June 15th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
You think that’s bad?
A woman who ripped off her ex-boyfriend’s testicle with her bare hands has been sent to prison.
Amanda Monti, 24, flew into a rage when Geoffrey Jones, 37, rejected her advances at the end of a house party, Liverpool Crown Court heard.
She choked and spat it back into her hand before the friend grabbed it and gave it back to Mr Jones. Doctors were unable to re-attach the organ.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/4253849.stm
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 3:40 am
I wouldn’t mind if Paris Hilton or Helen Clark chats me up at the bus stop, since there is a man drought out there. Geez I need a man badly, since I haven’t had one in over 10 years.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 7:07 am
Amusing that Paris Hilton can’t get home detention, yet violent likely to reoffend prisoners in NZ can.
It is utterly nonsensical to compare the New Zealand and Californian jurisdictions, which have completely different laws and legal practices.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 7:13 am
As long as he’s “a danger to the public” he shouldn’t have access to the public, is that so hard to understand? Just shoot him, it’s much cheaper.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 8:03 am
In a speech on Monday, Justice Minister Mark Burton praised the home detention scheme, which will soon be a sentence in its own right.
Madam speaker, I can give many examples of home detention prisoner’s engaging in the distribution of drugs , entertaining truant girl schools and selling stolen property as gangs think home d is the cats pyjamas. On one hand the deluded justice officials praise the scheme, while reoffending rates skyrocket at an alarming rate and prison workers like doctors and counsellors face enormous stress. Unfortunately these extremely experienced caring and compassionate professions want out of a totally dysfunctional system for the sake of their sanity. I had a screw only yesterday tell me that the prison system has been “ f##ked up by silly gummint as those criminal bastards got more rights than us and they enjoy laughing in our faces about it .”
The New Zealand department of Justice and Corrections are both in need of a total revamp and overhaul otherwise the tragic status quo will meander on for years, that is, murderous scum getting $60K from trany grany HRRT, corruption, prisoners housed in laundry cupboards and police cells. This utopian government is so far disconnected to reality I doubt a power surge from above would be hardly noticed by the delirious fools.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 8:36 am
Selma said….
“Which party has the greater number of convictions – while serving as MPS !”
Selma, don’t start something you can’t (or won’t) finish. The question should be “What party ruined the career of a serving Police Commissioner?”
or “What party hangs serving police officers, civilian drivers and the DPS out to dry?”
or “What party orders its minnions to destroy evidence of art fraud?”
or “What party rewards “prima facie” cases of criminal behaviour with seats at the Cabinet table?”
Do you get the picture? No, didn’t think you would!
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 8:52 am
D4J: Corrections managed to keep your ass secure.
And for the record, the government has not defined prisoners’ rights…parliament did that…via legislation. Even scumbag felons – ummm….that would be you, wouldn’t it? – retain fundamental rights unless a court takes them away. That’s the way justice is done in this country.
Don’t go around citing anonymous COs as if you’re in a position of knowledge. Perhaps you should declare that your expertise in this matter – if you have one – is derived from your experience as a convicted criminal. That might help people understand the underlying context of your rants.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 8:55 am
DPF: Why have you categorised this as a Corrections issue? Decisions about home detention are made by judges and the Parole Board. The only interaction with Corrections is to provide advice and information. In this case, Corrections’ advice was that the offender was high risk. The fact the NZPB goes off on its own tangent is not, I think, a Corrections issue per se
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 9:25 am
Stinky /sonic/selma thing spews ; “Don’t go around citing anonymous COs as if you’re in a position of knowledge”
Stinky wants fatherhood criminalized, and all money maternalized , however SSS I got a letter from General Manager Katrina Casey from Head Office Wellington Probation and Offender Services only yesterday darling vipers – ouch !!
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 9:29 am
Talking about MP convictions how many has Sue Bradford got ?
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 9:47 am
DJ4: I know most criminals are stupid – but you really take the cheese. I’ve already pointed out that I am a father of two, so no I don’t want fatherhood criminalised. I don’t mind bad fathers criminalised though. So, I guess that’s why they sent you to prison, eh? Well, don’t drag all the rest of us fathers down to your level – you scumbag. Most dads do a great job. You’re an embarrassment to yourself and the fact that you use “dad” in your moniker is an insult to the rest of us law-abiding, loving fathers. So, keep your petty exercise yard insults to yourself – you malevolent turd. I am proud to be a dad. It pains me to know there are turds in this country who don’t take the role as seriously as I do. Are you still on licence?!
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 9:52 am
May I suggest SSS, that Sue Bradford has more CRI & CRN credits on her rap sheet than the entire National Party ?
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 9:52 am
DJ4: I know most criminals are stupid – but you really take the cheese. I’ve already pointed out that I am a father of two, so no I don’t want fatherhood criminalised. I don’t mind bad fathers criminalised though. So, I guess that’s why they sent you to prison, eh? Well, don’t drag all the rest of us fathers down to your level – you scumbag. Most dads do a great job. You’re an embarrassment to yourself and the fact that you use “dad” in your moniker is an insult to the rest of us law-abiding, loving fathers. So, keep your petty exercise yard insults to yourself – you malevolent turd. I am proud to be a dad. It pains me to know there are turds in this country who don’t take the role as seriously as I do. Are you still on licence?!
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 9:54 am
Yes, but scumbag, you have more convictions than me…so you’re not in a position to be chucking stones. You’ve been to prison, man. Have you no sense of shame?
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 9:56 am
Wow stinky selma sonic – double post – lol .
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 10:04 am
Dear SSS is there a strong odour in your computer room ?
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 10:08 am
dad4justice are you keen to chat me up at the bus stop?
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 10:11 am
I wouldn’t chat you up if from life depended on it .
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 10:12 am
Yeah, DPF’s posting engine is a little cruddy. But here’s the thing Deadbeat Dad for injustice, you’ve managed to once again ignore the substance of the posts.
a) you’re a convicted criminal – so it’s a bit rich to get obsessed with other’s criminal history
b) you’ve been to prison – so your offending is at the high end of the scale. So, once again, it’s a bit rich pointing at someone else’s offending if they’ve not been to prison but you have!
c) you’re clearly in denial about your offending and you still seem to be a present danger to the community. So, once again, I wouldn’t be chucking stones at parolees and the probation service. When you’re an unrepentent criminal – you have no valid view on the work of the probation service.
And don’t keep linking me up with those liberals. I am not with them. I am just against some crim trying to pass himself off as legit using the anonymity the web affords. No, it’s worse than that – not only tries to pass himself off as legit but also has the unmitigated gall to shout ill-constructed abuse at law-abiding citizens. If you acted in public the way you act in these posts you would have been arrested and slung back in prison. In fact, judging by the irrationality you clearly demonstrate on occassion, I wonder whether you’d end up in prison or in the Mason Clinic.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 10:17 am
SSS spews “And don’t keep linking me up with those liberals. I am not with them”
A split in the enemies ranks ?
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 10:42 am
you got pwned dad4justice! …you’re a f**king prisoner!!!!!
pretty friggin audacious you tryin to be civilized. why not crawl back to prison
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 11:06 am
Sorry dishonest jim love to chat bit I am off to watch my children play sport this afternoon . Good bye liberal- socialist labour party person, as self destruction is inevitable
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 11:14 am
you watch the kids through binoculars? or has the no contact order lapsed? deadbeat dad, you’re a fucking crim. once a crim always a fucking crim.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
So if d4j is a criminal then what is Sue Bradford ?
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Penguin: D4J has all but confirmed his criminal background. And, I am not interested in Sue Bradford. She’s a fat, whingeing socialist as far as I am concerned. But she’s not splashing her negative crap all over this blog – like D4J. He’s a hate filled piece of prison trash. Even if Bradford did have a criminal history (and I neither know nor care, frankly), D4J would still be a barely literate offensive, misogynist scumbag who deserves to be challenged. I simply can’t see how the two things (D4J’s rantings and Bradford) are related?
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Paris got off lightly!
What about this poor couple”
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/opinion/parties-have-lost-their-innocence/2007/06/13/1181414376698.html
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
Stinky saud ” I simply can’t see how the two things (D4J’s rantings and Bradford) are related? ”
Bradford 77 verse d4j ?
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
If an election were held tomorrow and National swept every seat, a few months down the track D4J would still be ranting against the world, blaming his inadequacies (‘they took my guns, my kids, my balls, my brains . . .’) on everyone but himself.
Those who habitually shift the blame for their shortcomings will remain losers, regardless of who’s in power.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
woppo to be fair on our floating ice berg we not allow backstabbing and you should ask him that, as he is watching his children play sport .
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
Like hell he is.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
I wonder how you would know SIS spook ?
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
Simply put, Dad4Penguin, it’s because you’re a lying simpleton who couldn’t spin a straight story if your life depended on it.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Hi woppo fungus – a few good cops and judges would strongly disagree with your attempted pitiful character assassination.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
D4J: These would be the cops who arrested you and the Judge that sent you down? You’re arguing that the people who sent you to prison knew you could spin a story? Well, if you say so. Obviously they didn’t swallow your bullshit – because you were charged, tried and convicted. Ain’t that the sort of point?
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 5:43 pm
Stinky please cross your legs as the stench is putrid .
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Dad For Justice uses they socialist system against the socialist system, aned for that he earns the undying hatred of those who promote soocialism on this site. Just imagine readers, if this was the police state the left wish it to be. It would be the multi-knicked Woppo, and other such cowards, sitting importantly behind their big desks in the Ministry of Culture, signing the expulsion decrees and the death warrants for the banishment or state sanctioned murder of recalcitrants like D4J. Can’t you just see them there???
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
“Can’t you just see them there???”
If I was on your meds ‘baiter, I’m sure I’d see all kinds of wonderful things.
So you have a problem with desks? Good on you, I’m sure you’d never use one.
If you must know, if I close my eyes and concentrate hard, here’s what I see:
You’re on your knees, elbows resting on the floor, tapping away at your keyboard in the deskless manner you’ve perfected to keep the socialists at bay. Your pants are around your ankles, and your butt points to Singapore.
Remember, you did ask.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 9:21 pm
D4J a recalcitrant? He’s a fucking criminal! A prisoner no less. Try as you may to excuse his behaviour – the fact of the matter is that his behaviour was so egregious a judge sent him to prison. Let’s not dress this up as some sort of Robin Hood-type nonsense.
I don’t get you Redbaiter. Over the years, you have made it clear you’re a conservative not a libertarian. OK…that’s fine…but in which mode of conservatism is the law seen as some sort of socialist conspiracy? Exactly the opposite. Most conservatives not only more prosecutions for transgressors – they want longer, harder sentences.
But you sort of rally to defend a sleaze bag prisoner – why? Because he mouths off about socialists? There’s fuck all common ground between you and he. He’s a mad, sad arsehole. And despite your notorious vitriolic brand of nuttiness – you have got a decent brain and analytical skills. You, unlike this D4J monkey, actually advance argument. Why peg your colours to this guy – he’s an embarrassment to himself and flounders about in this web trying to give his empty life a little definition by pretending to be connected to the body-politic when, in reality, he’s got no discernible political orientation other than rabid Gynephobia.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
Stinky and woppo – you are scum of earth .
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
On the DUI subject. This approach from Japan may not work for Paris and co but it could deter the average DUI Joe.
Fines for passengers of drunk drivers:
http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/409458
I, for one would be all for it. Oh, and if you have kids on the car you are liable for that headcount.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 10:58 pm
Stiny the skunk squires ; ” There’s fuck all common ground between you and he. He’s a mad, sad arsehole”
I bet Chris Truscott said the same thing after Peter rogered him up the you know where in Hagley Park ? Why blame me for watching Helen takes on a bull farm vids ?
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
This has gone beyond a joke
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
I did not go to the toilet at Hagley Park dear wife.
Vote:June 16th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
I wonder if Ian Wishart is monitoring these comments?
Vote:June 17th, 2007 at 12:43 am
“But you sort of rally to defend a sleaze bag prisoner – why?”
So you despise the man. So what?? This is Mr. Farrar’s blog for chrissake, and he tries hard to keep it interesting and topical. Not only is it not right to stalk D4J (or anyone)in such a cowardly manner, it is not right to abuse this blog and Mr Farrar’s trust (he is one of the few who refuses to use moderation) in order to conduct a personal vendetta.
Vote:June 17th, 2007 at 8:46 am
Ps has anyone noted the silence from helen clark on meeting the Dalia Lama but then, what have they in common,hes a leader in exile, and shes a liar.
Vote:June 17th, 2007 at 9:23 am
“..it is not right to abuse this blog and Mr Farrar’s trust..”
Geez, Red, talk about irony! You’re one of the most abusive and cowardly posters ever. You’ve spent years attacking the man and not the issue. If someone disagrees with you, they’re “socialist scum” or some such abusive put-down. Admittedly, you seem to be behaving yourself a little more in this blog. Although I always thought it was because you had been blocked a couple of times and like a naughty schoolboy, once sanctioned, you fell right into line and stopped pulling the girls’ hair. But enough about your Pollyana routine. If you want to bed down with D4J, that’s your right.
“…not right to stalk D4J (or anyone)in such a cowardly manner…” – where’s the cowardice? What because I point out the irony of this convicted criminal talking about Corrections and law and order or codes of behaviour? As the Tui ad says, Yeah Right. I’ve made no cowardly attacks here. Bear in mind, D4J routinely as a matter of function abuses the women on this and other blogs – threatens violence against posters – makes outrageous and nasty comments and rarely contributes a sensible or reasonable comment.
After years of being the most commonly kill-filed individual on the NZ and Australian usenet scene, I find your defence of this goon to be touching and, ultimately, a little unsurprising.
That’s me done. Red and D4J: Fuck off.
Vote:June 17th, 2007 at 9:30 am
You are one very , very sick unit Stinky
Vote:With Love Peter Burns supportive female partner called Gladys . Get a real life girl as you make me sick in the stomach . With love Glads xxx
June 17th, 2007 at 10:00 am
And with love from Glady’s two teenage daughters that watch your venom on this blog from this computer.
Vote:With Love from the girl’s xx
June 17th, 2007 at 10:40 am
WARNING- Message below submitted by Redbaiter, and may contain ‘inappropriate’ language and disparaging comments about socialism and socialists. Anyone offended by such events should avoid reading this message.
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“Geez, Red, talk about irony!”
Geez, “stinky”, you multi knicked coward, talk about self serving bullshit.
Get real softcock. You’re just another brain damaged leftist hate merchant who repeatedly confuses opinion lies and personal attacks with fact.
Whatever terms I may use to describe leftists/ socialists/ Marxists, I at least try to stick to the topic Mr. Farrar has raised. Your messages here are always off topic and nothing but cowardly attacks on D4J at the complete expense of any discussion on the issue. You stalk him and turn every thread into a litany of abuse against D4J.
Your constant use of multiple knicks is another example of cowardly behaviour and shows you have absolutely no concerns with decency or what is right. You merely want to stalk hate and harass D4J by means of actions that totally undermine the coherency of discussion on this forum. If everybody emulated your disgustingly barbaric level of behaviour this forum would collapse overnight as nobody would have a clue who they were responding to.
Furthermore I am not “bedding down” with anyone. I am attacking your disgustingly barbaric and cowardly behaviour, and your self centered lack of regard for the mechanics that allow discussion to occur on this forum.
Here’s what I will say in respect of D4J. If he is what he is, its partly because you and your stinking leftist values that have made him that way. Any father falling into the clutches of that Marxist controlled monstrosity called the Family court is subjected to a level of injustice bigotry and partisan outcomes that could only exist in a sad socialist basket case of a country like NZ.
Any man that stands against these Marxist and feminist tyrants is going to suffer terrible injustices and unbelievably unfair treatment, and will most likely end up totally estranged from his children. (rejection of the Equal Parenting Bill is ample evidence of what a farcical organisation the whole stinking structure is) If D4J was a committed leftist the likes of you would be writing here asking for forgiveness and understanding because of the stress he was suffering from.
I concede he may not fully understand the politics of his situation, but he’s getting there, and like a lot of NZers, he’s finally waking up to the understanding that all of NZ’s social political and economic problems can in the end be sheeted home to the overpowering influence of a coalition of Marxists in NZ’s media, government and academia over the last few decades.
When you post these attack messages you call yourself ‘Stinky’. Good choice. The stench of Marxism hangs over this country like the foul air of a sewage farm, and its mostly emanating from fucked in the head control freak hate merchants like you.
We’re going to clear the air and rebuild this country Stinky. Soon it will smell like daisies. The Mortein is coming. Pfffft.. we’re gonna aerosol you away Stinky. You and your whole stinking Marxist edifice. You’re not going to be in control for much longer Stinky. You’re going to end up buzzing on the floor with your legs in the air. Just like Louie.
PS: Above message posted with the clear realization that it is opinion. Readers are invited to accept it as such, and (naturally) draw their own conclusions about the validity of those opinions.
Vote:June 17th, 2007 at 11:15 am
“We’re going to clear the air and rebuild this country . . .”
No doubt you’ll achieve wonders with the help of Daddy/Penguin/HMSFiji/Animal Farm Police Com – presumably he wears all those multiple knick(er)s to keep the horrid socialists from sodomising him in his sleep.
Vote:June 17th, 2007 at 11:37 am
helen is still consulting her diary while muttering (cannot someone make this man(DL)go away)
Vote:June 17th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
d4j has baggage attached to his life, but the events in his life have moulded his views , just go to the cyps watch site and there ,you will read about destroyed family relationships, so why abuse the man , ,d4j is a lonely battler. Our country is on a slippery slope at the moment.An example is our pc pm, china says down girl, and our helen worries about her future appointments, when this faz in ruling our country ends .Powerfull friends are important and the Dalai Lama is so yesterday, isnt he helen,
Vote:June 17th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
Attention Peter Burns: do you have personal experience of home detention? Were you a high-risk offender? We look forward to your thoughts.
Vote: