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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324950</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And National stole it from NZ First, who proposed it a whole ten years earlier in 1995.

While you&#039;re right and it&#039;s clearly evidence of a drought of new ideas in this government, I&#039;m glad to see it adopted as policy by both the major parties. Perhaps now it&#039;ll actually happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And National stole it from NZ First, who proposed it a whole ten years earlier in 1995.</p>
<p>While you&#8217;re right and it&#8217;s clearly evidence of a drought of new ideas in this government, I&#8217;m glad to see it adopted as policy by both the major parties. Perhaps now it&#8217;ll actually happen.</p>
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		<title>By: sam dixon</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324842</link>
		<dc:creator>sam dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 03:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon said &quot;National should just do what it takes to win the fucking election and get rid of Clark and the rest of the crooks. Nothing else matters.&quot;

Sounds like someone has been sittng in on National strategy meetings - honestly what kind of people are you that you think hiding your agenda then doing whatever the hell you want is a moral way to behave?  Surely, if your ideas a valid the public will back them.

DPF -


A fiscially neutral change to transport funding, that&#039;s the one example you can point to of Laobur taking natioanl&#039;s policy - in the reverse direction, right of the top of my head there&#039;s:
- 4 weeks annual elave
- kiwisaver
- no nukes
- Working for Families
- the Cullen Fund
- no further asset sales
- no strike wing for the airforce
- Kyoto (ok National was for that before they were against it before they were for it, kinda, again, but still)

and any day now

- interest-free loans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon said &#8220;National should just do what it takes to win the fucking election and get rid of Clark and the rest of the crooks. Nothing else matters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like someone has been sittng in on National strategy meetings &#8211; honestly what kind of people are you that you think hiding your agenda then doing whatever the hell you want is a moral way to behave?  Surely, if your ideas a valid the public will back them.</p>
<p>DPF -</p>
<p>A fiscially neutral change to transport funding, that&#8217;s the one example you can point to of Laobur taking natioanl&#8217;s policy &#8211; in the reverse direction, right of the top of my head there&#8217;s:<br />
- 4 weeks annual elave<br />
- kiwisaver<br />
- no nukes<br />
- Working for Families<br />
- the Cullen Fund<br />
- no further asset sales<br />
- no strike wing for the airforce<br />
- Kyoto (ok National was for that before they were against it before they were for it, kinda, again, but still)</p>
<p>and any day now</p>
<p>- interest-free loans</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324685</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;National should sets itself appart and start telling people what it will do for them and the country.&quot;

They are far different to Labour - you just won&#039;t no how different until after they&#039;ve won an election :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;National should sets itself appart and start telling people what it will do for them and the country.&#8221;</p>
<p>They are far different to Labour &#8211; you just won&#8217;t no how different until after they&#8217;ve won an election <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324680</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Labour’s stolen adopted another policy from National.&quot;

You mean &#039;stolen&#039; in the same sense as Dan Brash&#039;s emails were &#039;stolen&#039;? ;-)

&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Labour’s stolen adopted another policy from National.&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean &#8216;stolen&#8217; in the same sense as Dan Brash&#8217;s emails were &#8216;stolen&#8217;? <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: DavidW</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324615</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Transport related activities&quot;  Hmmmmmmm  I feel a HUGE advertising campaign coming on next year.

&quot;travel by roads that are brought to you by Labour&quot;

&quot;Catch the bus - subsidised by funds allocated by this Labour-led Government&quot;

&quot;20 Free bus rides - you are better off with Labour&quot;

But it is LTNZ that is doing the advertising you idiot - this is not party political or election related.  

Yeah Right</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Transport related activities&#8221;  Hmmmmmmm  I feel a HUGE advertising campaign coming on next year.</p>
<p>&#8220;travel by roads that are brought to you by Labour&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Catch the bus &#8211; subsidised by funds allocated by this Labour-led Government&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;20 Free bus rides &#8211; you are better off with Labour&#8221;</p>
<p>But it is LTNZ that is doing the advertising you idiot &#8211; this is not party political or election related.  </p>
<p>Yeah Right</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324579</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve said &quot;So many tennis balls, not enough tournaments&quot;

Oh very good riposte Sir! Captures the mood of the day very nicely!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve said &#8220;So many tennis balls, not enough tournaments&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh very good riposte Sir! Captures the mood of the day very nicely!</p>
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		<title>By: sittingbull</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324572</link>
		<dc:creator>sittingbull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re depressing me scrubone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re depressing me scrubone</p>
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		<title>By: scrubone</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324571</link>
		<dc:creator>scrubone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is someone actually seriously suggesting there is meaning in this government?

There&#039;s zero integrity - no standard of behaviour means anything. We&#039;ve had bribery, assault, misleading the house, prima facie criminal cases made... none of which have led to the expulsion of ministers from cabinet in recent years.)

We&#039;ve had complete backflips on so many positions, including ones that Labour was extremely heated up about - this one, anonymous donations, and don&#039;t forget &quot;closing the gaps&quot;.

When was the last time Labour had a policy that genuinely helped the poor (and wasn&#039;t extended to rich people like WFF)? How about helping Maori - DPF posted the other day that they&#039;ve had pathetic progress on treaty issues compared to the National government. What about health? There&#039;s no real progress on fixing the health system at all - waiting lists are as long as ever, and don&#039;t forget how they tried to shorten them by just throwing people off!

What about renewing themselves? Don&#039;t make me laugh! Labour still have the same front bench that they had when they were in opposition. Sure, a few have moved on but none anyone actually cares about. Read hansard from 1992 and see how many names you recognise.

What about the surplus? How much money does the government have to have sloshing around in the coffers before they offer a bit of relief for Joe Taxpayer? 5 Billion, 10 Billion, it&#039;s never enough?

Ministerial responsibility is out the door - just blame the nearest staffer. Inconvenient question in the house? Don&#039;t bother answering at all. In fact, Labour have ministers asking questions to fellow ministers. How pathetic is that!

Independence of offices like the Auditor General has been seriously compromised. The electoral act is being changed explicitly so that &quot;attempted rourts by the opposition&quot; cannot be used again - except those supposed rorts aren&#039;t even the biggest problem to come out of the last election, and they aren&#039;t even being banned anyway. The foreign minister&#039;s position is a joke - the representative of our government to the world isn&#039;t even in the government, nor is the revenue minister. Oh, appointing your best friend as speaker, regardless of her experience, does put you in the &quot;old boys club&quot;.

Did we mention it&#039;s ok to steal taxpayers money?  Forge signatures? Have people break the speed limit to get to a rugby game? Using a bent cop as a source to shut down criticism that the cops are bent?

And the scary thing is, that&#039;s not even the beginning.

Nope. There&#039;s no meaning to anything this government does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is someone actually seriously suggesting there is meaning in this government?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s zero integrity &#8211; no standard of behaviour means anything. We&#8217;ve had bribery, assault, misleading the house, prima facie criminal cases made&#8230; none of which have led to the expulsion of ministers from cabinet in recent years.)</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had complete backflips on so many positions, including ones that Labour was extremely heated up about &#8211; this one, anonymous donations, and don&#8217;t forget &#8220;closing the gaps&#8221;.</p>
<p>When was the last time Labour had a policy that genuinely helped the poor (and wasn&#8217;t extended to rich people like WFF)? How about helping Maori &#8211; DPF posted the other day that they&#8217;ve had pathetic progress on treaty issues compared to the National government. What about health? There&#8217;s no real progress on fixing the health system at all &#8211; waiting lists are as long as ever, and don&#8217;t forget how they tried to shorten them by just throwing people off!</p>
<p>What about renewing themselves? Don&#8217;t make me laugh! Labour still have the same front bench that they had when they were in opposition. Sure, a few have moved on but none anyone actually cares about. Read hansard from 1992 and see how many names you recognise.</p>
<p>What about the surplus? How much money does the government have to have sloshing around in the coffers before they offer a bit of relief for Joe Taxpayer? 5 Billion, 10 Billion, it&#8217;s never enough?</p>
<p>Ministerial responsibility is out the door &#8211; just blame the nearest staffer. Inconvenient question in the house? Don&#8217;t bother answering at all. In fact, Labour have ministers asking questions to fellow ministers. How pathetic is that!</p>
<p>Independence of offices like the Auditor General has been seriously compromised. The electoral act is being changed explicitly so that &#8220;attempted rourts by the opposition&#8221; cannot be used again &#8211; except those supposed rorts aren&#8217;t even the biggest problem to come out of the last election, and they aren&#8217;t even being banned anyway. The foreign minister&#8217;s position is a joke &#8211; the representative of our government to the world isn&#8217;t even in the government, nor is the revenue minister. Oh, appointing your best friend as speaker, regardless of her experience, does put you in the &#8220;old boys club&#8221;.</p>
<p>Did we mention it&#8217;s ok to steal taxpayers money?  Forge signatures? Have people break the speed limit to get to a rugby game? Using a bent cop as a source to shut down criticism that the cops are bent?</p>
<p>And the scary thing is, that&#8217;s not even the beginning.</p>
<p>Nope. There&#8217;s no meaning to anything this government does.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324567</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn&#039;t National release a policy that is not quite genuine and let the liars from Labour pick up on it and dig the hole deeper?
So many tennis balls, not enough tournaments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t National release a policy that is not quite genuine and let the liars from Labour pick up on it and dig the hole deeper?<br />
So many tennis balls, not enough tournaments</p>
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		<title>By: Bogusnews</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324566</link>
		<dc:creator>Bogusnews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if anyone needs any more convincing on why National doesn&#039;t release more specific policies then we now have the answer.  Any time they release one Labour - who is totally bereft of ideas first criticise it, then copy it once they think people have forgotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if anyone needs any more convincing on why National doesn&#8217;t release more specific policies then we now have the answer.  Any time they release one Labour &#8211; who is totally bereft of ideas first criticise it, then copy it once they think people have forgotten.</p>
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		<title>By: ABE</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324563</link>
		<dc:creator>ABE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as libertyscott said - this was effectively happening anyway. AND this measure was announced in the Budget, its just taking effect now... keep up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as libertyscott said &#8211; this was effectively happening anyway. AND this measure was announced in the Budget, its just taking effect now&#8230; keep up</p>
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		<title>By: Gooner</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324559</link>
		<dc:creator>Gooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no mortgage on policy.

Just like when National stole Act policies in 2005 and polled 38%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no mortgage on policy.</p>
<p>Just like when National stole Act policies in 2005 and polled 38%.</p>
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		<title>By: Porcupine</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324556</link>
		<dc:creator>Porcupine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately anon you have a point. In this case the ends does justify the means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately anon you have a point. In this case the ends does justify the means.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324554</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Porcupine says: &quot;National should set itself apart and start telling people what it will do for them and the country.&quot;  I disgree.  National should just do what it takes to win the fucking election and get rid of Clark and the rest of the crooks.  Nothing else matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Porcupine says: &#8220;National should set itself apart and start telling people what it will do for them and the country.&#8221;  I disgree.  National should just do what it takes to win the fucking election and get rid of Clark and the rest of the crooks.  Nothing else matters.</p>
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		<title>By: mavxp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324553</link>
		<dc:creator>mavxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is good sense...if only it was done years ago. It will mean that petrol consumption is directly responsible for subsidising transport infrastructure upgrades, including public transport.  The latter will take steady investment over a number of years to bring it up to the sort of capacity and capability we need for the &quot;Energy Constrained Future&quot; we have ahead of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good sense&#8230;if only it was done years ago. It will mean that petrol consumption is directly responsible for subsidising transport infrastructure upgrades, including public transport.  The latter will take steady investment over a number of years to bring it up to the sort of capacity and capability we need for the &#8220;Energy Constrained Future&#8221; we have ahead of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324551</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Labour should stand up for their values&quot;

Get real. Labour have no values. They only have their obsession with power. Gerry Brownlee refused to appear on Agenda with Hodgson because in Jerry&#039;s opinion, Hodgson was &quot;a platitudinous fuckwit&quot;, and he&#039;s damn right. Kyoto Pete is an arrogant  politically one dimensional moron, and if our media wasn&#039;t a pathetic bunch of Labour party arse lickers they&#039;d ask Hodgson to account for the words he previously spoke on this issue. Watching the obsequious commie try and squirm his way out of it would be something worth seeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Labour should stand up for their values&#8221;</p>
<p>Get real. Labour have no values. They only have their obsession with power. Gerry Brownlee refused to appear on Agenda with Hodgson because in Jerry&#8217;s opinion, Hodgson was &#8220;a platitudinous fuckwit&#8221;, and he&#8217;s damn right. Kyoto Pete is an arrogant  politically one dimensional moron, and if our media wasn&#8217;t a pathetic bunch of Labour party arse lickers they&#8217;d ask Hodgson to account for the words he previously spoke on this issue. Watching the obsequious commie try and squirm his way out of it would be something worth seeing.</p>
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		<title>By: Insolent Prick</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324548</link>
		<dc:creator>Insolent Prick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends very much on what the definition of &quot;transport activities&quot; is.  Already road users are heavily subsidising other modes of transport, where the Government is investing huge amounts of roadusers&#039; money for no economic return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends very much on what the definition of &#8220;transport activities&#8221; is.  Already road users are heavily subsidising other modes of transport, where the Government is investing huge amounts of roadusers&#8217; money for no economic return.</p>
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		<title>By: JesusCrux</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324547</link>
		<dc:creator>JesusCrux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2002 - Boxing?
2005 - Tax cuts, one law for all, welfare reform...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2002 &#8211; Boxing?<br />
2005 &#8211; Tax cuts, one law for all, welfare reform&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PaulL</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324546</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is totally pathetic that Labour are so desperate to retain power that they will steal National policies even though they disagree with them.  Labour should stand up for their values even though NZers no longer want them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is totally pathetic that Labour are so desperate to retain power that they will steal National policies even though they disagree with them.  Labour should stand up for their values even though NZers no longer want them.</p>
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		<title>By: libertyscott</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/another_stolen_policy.html#comment-324543</link>
		<dc:creator>libertyscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s fiscally neutral by and large, as Labour was spending all of the fuel tax revenue on transport anyway - it just moves from annual appropriation to a guaranteed flow of money.  A good move, if only because it makes it harder to reverse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s fiscally neutral by and large, as Labour was spending all of the fuel tax revenue on transport anyway &#8211; it just moves from annual appropriation to a guaranteed flow of money.  A good move, if only because it makes it harder to reverse.</p>
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