Chauvel for Wellington Central

July 25th, 2007 at 10:09 pm by David Farrar

List MP Charles Chauvel has confirmed he wishes to stand for Wellington Central, not Ohariu-Belmont, next election and has written to local Party members asking them for their support.

It will be interesting to see if Grant Robertson contests the nomination.

Also of interest is that Northland based List MP Shane Jones has said he is interesting is seeking the Rimutaka nomination.  So the so called rejuvenation may just turn out to be electorate MPs replaced by list MPs!

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36 Responses to “Chauvel for Wellington Central”

  1. Jafa () says:

    Do people actually take notice of what happens in Wellington Central? Is Fran Wilde still the MP and Michael Fowler the Mayor there?

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  2. TIM BARCLAY () says:

    This is no surprise at all. Normally the Labour Party like to engineer a jack-up. But there seems to be an ugly scramble for “safe”seats by list MPs. No doubt Maryanne Street is casting around for a safe electorate seat I assume she will be hoping something will come up in Auckland perhaps Auckland Central and push out Judith Tizard or whatever.

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  3. Bryce () says:

    I don’t think there’s much doubt that Grant Robertson will go for the Wellington Central nomination – so the battle will be most interesting. Robertson has the advantage of already actually being very active in the electorate branch, so I wouldn’t make any assumptions of an easy Chauvel victory. Robertson is probably just happy that Helen Kelly has found something else to do for the next three years, which probably means he’s the front runner for the nomination instead.
    Bryce
    http://www.liberation.org.nz

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  4. Insolent Prick () says:

    Robertson and Chauvel are from extremely similar moulds.

    It’s no wonder Shane Jones is pegging for an electorate seat. If Labour’s party vote collapses, it is most likely that they will lose a whole swathe of list MPs, but probably few electorate MPs. List MPs will be feeling extremely insecure right now.

    Jones has shown himself up to be the carpet-bagger that he is. He’s lost the chance of winning a Maori seat. It is the ultimate act of cowardice when Labour’s leading Maori light can’t even go for a Maori seat.

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  5. Manolo () says:

    Wilde, Hobbs, Beyer, Chauvel. What’s next? Boy George?

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  6. Dead Duck Dux () says:

    “Wilde, Hobbs, Beyer, Chauvel. What’s next? Boy George?”

    What’s next it seems is pathetic homophobic jokes. Chauvel’s gay, get over it.

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  7. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (856 comments) says:

    hmm. Methinks Tim is right. Not the sign of a confident resurgent Labour organisation. So lets see:

    dead wood starting to resign – check

    shoo in new prospects realising they are washing their hair that night – check

    hangers on looking for safe billets that its difficult to be sacked from – check

    underlings being thrown to the pack to cover up mistakes – check

    fear and paranoia rampant – check

    “fairness” electoral reform legislation to prevent anyone criticising the government – check

    winston peters starts his immovable bottom line escape plan about foreigners buying “our” assets – check

    yup early election on its way…

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  8. 3-coil () says:

    Dead Duck – just for the record, what was your opinion of the homophobic Labour Party (especially Michael Cullen’s) taunts towards Lockwood in parliament?

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  9. TIM BARCLAY () says:

    Labour will probably respond that their gays are out – except for the women gays. They, except for Street, are NOT out. So let us have a war on that one please.

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  10. Selma Bouvier () says:

    Just two little words.

    CLEM SIMICH

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  11. Porcupine () says:

    In my children’s definition of the word, Labour are so gay!

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  12. Ross Miller () says:

    Shane Jones for Rimutaka? Mr Lazy extraordinaire. Well, he’s managed single handed to totally collapse the Labour Party organisation up here so lets see what he can do down there.

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  13. G (86 comments) says:

    I am going to ignore the incredibly homophobic nature of these comments.

    Grant is more likely to get the nomination in my view. First of all, he is better known in Wellington Central, so is likely to win the floor vote.
    The New Zealand Council representatives (three) will probably go for Grant as well. The NZC seems to be more likely to go with Grant given that Marian Hobbs, Jordan Carter, Tony Milne and Helen Clark are all more likely to favour Grant, and the rest are unlikely to give a fuck.
    The LEC representations (2) are also likely to go towards Grant given he is better known and has been very active in the LEC himself.
    And finally, one vote goes to a person elected from the floor, and I suspect they will go for Grant as well.

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  14. David Farrar (1,808 comments) says:

    Thanks G for that useful analysis, and yes can others please get over Chauvel’s sexual orientation.

    It is a bit of a pity that Labour selections are decided by six people only (plus the floor vote). In National where there are at least 60 delegates who decide, a situation like this with two strong candidates would lead to a frenzied few months of signing up new members, meeting every delegate one on one, extensive campaigns etc. I enjoy internal campaigns for a seat, where it is quite literally down to who can persuade the most local members.

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  15. Tane () says:

    Has Shane Jones actually said he’s going to stand for Rimutaka? All I’ve seen is a story by Tracy Watkins in the Dom Post suggesting that he *might* be since he’s speaking to a Rimutaka LEC fundraiser tonight.

    [DPF: There is an NZPA story about how he is about to be appointed as a Minister replacing Dover Samuels (I had forgotten he was actually still a Minister!). Jones seems to be announcing his own promotion:

    “Mr Jones today said an announcement was imminent — possibly as early as next week.”

    and in relation to Rimutaka:

    “Mr Jones today reiterated he was highly unlikely to stand in the Te Tai Tokerau electorate.

    He said he wanted to stand in a general seat. He was interested in standing in Rimutaka, which former minister Paul Swain will vacate at the election, but had not made a firm decision. “

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  16. Pete Doci () says:

    You guys don’t know what you’re talking about. Chauvel is the PM’s clear choice. Deservedly so! He will be much more likely to win the seat if selected as Labours candidate than Robertson, who is unknown outside a small cabal in the Labour Party. Chauvel is well known in the business community and popular with liberal leaning voters and public servant types. Labor would be nuts not to have him as the candidate. Because of helen’s support he will get the 3 head office votes. Because of his general popularity in the Party he will get the floor vote and probably the other indicative vote on the night. He is a shoe in.

    Pete

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  17. G (86 comments) says:

    DPF – in complete agreement about Labour’s lack of internal democracy. In their defence, significant central office control allows gender, ethnicity, factional and identity to be balanced more.

    Pete Doci – well, it depends. Is the central admin more likely to go for a sitting Labour list MP or a former trusted advisor to Helen Clark? While Chauvel may be well known in the Party as a whole, would Wellington Central members know him or Robertson better? Robertson has been very active in the Party in Wellington Central, while Chauvel has spent more time in Ohariu-Belmont.

    Does anyone know when the selection meeting is?

    And DPF – I hear rumours that Roger Moses (Wellington College headmaster) may stand for Wellington Central… any basis for that? or is Blumsky looking to run again?

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  18. Chuck Bird () says:

    3-coil, have you a accurate quote of the homophobic Labour Party (especially Michael Cullen’s) taunts towards Lockwood in parliament?

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  19. Redbaiter () says:

    “Thanks G for that useful analysis, and yes can others please get over Chauvel’s sexual orientation. ”

    Mr. Farrar, I know that you wish to ignore such issues because you think they are immaterial in the political sense, but I beg to differ. There is such a thing as a “homosexual political agenda”, there is a political faction on the left dominated by homosexuals (the Rainbow Faction) and this group is intent of pursuing political objectives which some people for better or worse may disagree with.

    There is no point in putting your head in the sand on political issues merely because the person you might disagree with is queer. Being a liberal does not necessarily mean that one must prostrate one’s self to homosexual political objectives. In fact, there is a good case for the view that the existence of the “Rainbow Faction” is based on ideals that are anti-liberal.

    Homosexuals decided long ago that to fight back against bigotry, they needed to become politically active. It is unfortunate that most of those who followed thru on this seem to be leftists. Nevertheless, if they want to bring their sexuality into politics, they must be prepared to wear criticism. They cannot use their sexuality as a shield to protect them from criticism of their agenda, or their predominantly left wing political sympathies.

    Speaking for myself, I think the views of NZers are far better served by a family man and farmer like Jim Sutton (the man Chauvel replaced) than they are by a homosexual lawyer like Charles Chauvel. That of course is only my opinion, but I am sure you agree that I should express that opinion if it is truly what I think. That is the core of “liberalism”.. being true to oneself.

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  20. gd () says:

    Redbaiter Wash your mouth out with soap You mean you actually want to have the majority represented in the House. That would never do We must have diversity Cant let the mob rule now can we.Cant have the unwashed majority getting what they want. Oh no. Its only the diversified elite who know wants good for those peasants.

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  21. David Farrar (1,808 comments) says:

    G – I would be surprised if Mark stands again. The Roger Moses rumour is brand new to me. But bear in mind I have not attended a party meeting since the election so am not up with the play.

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  22. Porcupine () says:

    What Redbaiter said. The gays are responsible for the backlash against them. Supposedly all they wanted was to be treated as equals but once they have it they insist on ramming it down our throats the whole time, 7pm on TV, hero parades, … Heterosexual olympics anyone…thought not.

    they’ve turned a tolerant society into a society that is sick to death of hearing about the poor little toadies.

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  23. Abel () says:

    Moses has denied he is standing. I heard its between Finlayson and Franks for the Nat nomination.

    Chauvel has stood on a lot of toes over the years, he’s almost the John Hayes of Labour. Robertson is the favourite – he has Clark’s backing… but im not sure where else Chauvel could stand.

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  24. Porcupine () says:

    Bugger, Roger Moses would be a great choice – honest and for excellence in education, accountability….

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  25. Billy () says:

    Redbaiter, what is that homosexual political agenda, and does being gay really mean you’ve signed up for it? If so, soemone had better tell Craig R and Lindsay Perigo.

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  26. Redbaiter () says:

    “does being gay really mean you’ve signed up for it”

    Where ever did I make the implication that EVERY homosexual was a member of the rainbow faction, or committed to the agenda? You need to take a course in basic reading and comprehension.

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  27. G (86 comments) says:

    Abel – has Stephen Franks joined National? Or are you referring to another Franks?

    As a Wellington College old boy, I really didn’t like Moses. He seemed to be a bit of a prat to me. But then, I wasn’t in the 1st XV. And I am sure there are many people with vendettas against him or embarrassing stories to tell.

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  28. Chuck Bird () says:

    Billy, the following from an interview of Chris Carter and Tim Barnett in GayNZ.

    As queer politicians our mission is to deliver equal rights under the law and ensure that the Government machine is working for our community.

    I do not have a problem with homosexual MPs who see their priority is to represent their electorate not those with their sexual preference.

    I have discussed issues relating to HIV+ immigrants and the link between homosexuality and HIV on air when he was a talk show host. From memory we were largely in agreement. In any case he was able to discuss the issue in a rational manner unlike left wing militant homosexual activist. I think we have more our quota of them in the present government – in and out of the closet.

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  29. Abel () says:

    I heard Stephen Franks was sniffing around National – looking for a way back into Parliament?

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  30. baxter () says:

    I would like to see Steven Franks stand in a rural seat. He wouldn’t have much in common with the Wellington Central types that Chauvel has so much in common with. He is much more in touch with the average down to earth New Zealander though.

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  31. Porcupine () says:

    National will be too pussy to go for Franks.

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  32. Billy () says:

    Q: Where ever did I make the implication that EVERY homosexual was a member of the rainbow faction,

    A: There is such a thing as a “homosexual political agenda”

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  33. 3-coil () says:

    Chuck Bird: sorry not back sooner – check out DPF’s post “More Quotes In Support Of Field” on 28 May 2007.

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  34. Insolent Prick () says:

    My pick would be Grant Robertson over Chauvel. Grant is extremely well networked in the party, and is a very smart operator. Being very close to HC can only help his cause, and he’s by far the more active of the two in the electorate. It would be an interesting contest between the two, tho’, since they’re both representing the same highly educated, liberal, rainbow section of the Party. It’s not as if somebody else would likely split the vote, though, since educated, liberal and rainbow is precisely what the Labour leadership is.

    Roger Moses would be a very interesting selection for the seat.

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  35. Paul W () says:

    What a surprise, Chuck Bird, Redbaiter, GD and Porcupine all worried about gay people taking over the world.

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  36. Tomboy () says:

    Chauvel will be the candidate. The wider Labour membership love him because he is young(ish), gay, smart and brown – Abel obviously didn’t see them all swooning over him at Sonya Davies’ funeral or at the section 59 fourms. He’s a sitter for promotion to minister in this government. Unlike Robertson he has the killer instinct and a long history in the party and the unions. He’ll play well in Wadestown, the Aro Valley, the Central City, half of Karori and with the University types. Franks or Moses would be dream candidates for Labour in Wellington Central. Chauvel would beat any of them hands down – the days of an older right wing white straight man in that seat are over. Finlayson would be more interesting but to have a chance he’d need to actually talk to people and do some hard work for a change. Can’t see him being arsed -why wouldn’t he just coast along on the list instead like last time?

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