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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/dbp_lied_to_the_pm_also.html#comment-326167</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...

According to  Helen Clark a parent that gives their child a light spank is a &quot;right wing fundamentalist&quot;, but a man who tortured schoolchildren with tennis balls and got his rocks off walking into the girls changing rooms has been a welcome member of her &quot;government&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>According to  Helen Clark a parent that gives their child a light spank is a &#8220;right wing fundamentalist&#8221;, but a man who tortured schoolchildren with tennis balls and got his rocks off walking into the girls changing rooms has been a welcome member of her &#8220;government&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/dbp_lied_to_the_pm_also.html#comment-325747</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go easy on Selma

I think Selma is having some difficulty understanding the concept that the standards set in the past are not to be used as a measure stick today. It&#039;s ironic that DB-P wasn&#039;t prosecuted for stuffing tennis balls in kids mouths or allegedly slapping a girl who was having confidence issues abseiling because the standards back then were different to what we accept today. Standards are much higher today and we mustn&#039;t judge the past by today. 

Sad sad lefties, how can they be so morally and ethically bankrupt to never once see anything bad in the goings on of their masters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go easy on Selma</p>
<p>I think Selma is having some difficulty understanding the concept that the standards set in the past are not to be used as a measure stick today. It&#8217;s ironic that DB-P wasn&#8217;t prosecuted for stuffing tennis balls in kids mouths or allegedly slapping a girl who was having confidence issues abseiling because the standards back then were different to what we accept today. Standards are much higher today and we mustn&#8217;t judge the past by today. </p>
<p>Sad sad lefties, how can they be so morally and ethically bankrupt to never once see anything bad in the goings on of their masters.</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/dbp_lied_to_the_pm_also.html#comment-325733</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Flashman! I&#039;m sure that Selma went to the crisis meeting on the 9th Floor the other night, and she&#039;s following H2&#039;s &quot;do whatever you can to hijack the blogs&quot; instruction to the letter. I wonder what she really thinks about DB-P - do you think she secretly wishes he&#039;d come round and butt in on HER in the shower?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Flashman! I&#8217;m sure that Selma went to the crisis meeting on the 9th Floor the other night, and she&#8217;s following H2&#8217;s &#8220;do whatever you can to hijack the blogs&#8221; instruction to the letter. I wonder what she really thinks about DB-P &#8211; do you think she secretly wishes he&#8217;d come round and butt in on HER in the shower?</p>
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		<title>By: Flashman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/dbp_lied_to_the_pm_also.html#comment-325727</link>
		<dc:creator>Flashman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DPB Selma?

Don&#039;t you mean DBP?  

Or is that one of those &quot;Freudian slips&quot; for which liarbore hacks [like DBP himself] is now so justly famous.  A racing certainty that it&#039;s the latter since I&#039;m sure, my dear Selma, you have an intimate and lifelong relationship with the DPB - perhaps even to the point of obsession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPB Selma?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you mean DBP?  </p>
<p>Or is that one of those &#8220;Freudian slips&#8221; for which liarbore hacks [like DBP himself] is now so justly famous.  A racing certainty that it&#8217;s the latter since I&#8217;m sure, my dear Selma, you have an intimate and lifelong relationship with the DPB &#8211; perhaps even to the point of obsession.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/dbp_lied_to_the_pm_also.html#comment-325710</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For full information on the gerrymandering that went on in the last election, and the gerrymandering that went on by the Police in their &quot;Comprehensive Investigation&quot; of the Electoral Commission&#039;s complaint, I can thoroughly recommend the hugely impressive, chronoligically correct, unbiased report put together by David Farrar in his Electoral Act Archives on May 26 2006.

He had this to say at the conclusion of this unbelievably well researched Document:

&quot;My contention here is that the Police reasoning and decisions in this case are not ones you could reasonably agree with. They have in fact made very basic mistakes throughout. They appear to have done almost no actual investigating or interviewing, and misled the public with their public release.&quot;

However when you consider that on 10 February 2006 Acting Police Commissioner Steve Long received an allegation essentially that money had been stolen from Helen&#039;s Leader Funds, and thaat they buried these allegations, then there are more sinister overtones. Who were the Police protecting? Would David Farrar, if he had known at the time of this allegation summed up the situation more strongly?

I ask you the reader, how can we trust a Select Committee to sort out Election processes in view of David&#039;s report and the Police cover-up? Do you consider a Royal Commission of Inquiry is required?

I recall Fran O&#039;Sullivan calling for one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For full information on the gerrymandering that went on in the last election, and the gerrymandering that went on by the Police in their &#8220;Comprehensive Investigation&#8221; of the Electoral Commission&#8217;s complaint, I can thoroughly recommend the hugely impressive, chronoligically correct, unbiased report put together by David Farrar in his Electoral Act Archives on May 26 2006.</p>
<p>He had this to say at the conclusion of this unbelievably well researched Document:</p>
<p>&#8220;My contention here is that the Police reasoning and decisions in this case are not ones you could reasonably agree with. They have in fact made very basic mistakes throughout. They appear to have done almost no actual investigating or interviewing, and misled the public with their public release.&#8221;</p>
<p>However when you consider that on 10 February 2006 Acting Police Commissioner Steve Long received an allegation essentially that money had been stolen from Helen&#8217;s Leader Funds, and thaat they buried these allegations, then there are more sinister overtones. Who were the Police protecting? Would David Farrar, if he had known at the time of this allegation summed up the situation more strongly?</p>
<p>I ask you the reader, how can we trust a Select Committee to sort out Election processes in view of David&#8217;s report and the Police cover-up? Do you consider a Royal Commission of Inquiry is required?</p>
<p>I recall Fran O&#8217;Sullivan calling for one</p>
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		<title>By: Selma Bouvier</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/dbp_lied_to_the_pm_also.html#comment-325704</link>
		<dc:creator>Selma Bouvier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe the  number of times we rehash the DPB issue( is there really anything new that hasnt been said) means we have to go way back to how a different government did it (yes it was that long ago)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Glasshouses and all that.&lt;br /&gt;
Plus we all know where DPF was working at the time so its doubly effective.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ive raised Nick Smiths integrity for a more recent issue. And we all know what happened to him (NOT).&lt;br /&gt;
 Having 3 judges saying you cant lie straight in bed, sets an entirely new low.&lt;/p&gt;

[DPF:Nick Smith wanted to resign and have a byelection.  Helen Clark insisted it was not necessary]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the  number of times we rehash the DPB issue( is there really anything new that hasnt been said) means we have to go way back to how a different government did it (yes it was that long ago)</p>
<p>Glasshouses and all that.<br />
Plus we all know where DPF was working at the time so its doubly effective.</p>
<p>Ive raised Nick Smiths integrity for a more recent issue. And we all know what happened to him (NOT).<br />
 Having 3 judges saying you cant lie straight in bed, sets an entirely new low.</p>
<p>[DPF:Nick Smith wanted to resign and have a byelection.  Helen Clark insisted it was not necessary]</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/dbp_lied_to_the_pm_also.html#comment-325700</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Selma

I thought we had been through this a few times. Do you remember my (somewhat confusing to you perhaps) suggestion that applying 5yr/old logic of &lt;b&gt;He did it too&lt;/b&gt; is not a good standard to set for Ministers.  

However I&#039;ll play your game: Do you really think we should repeal the laws that make it illegal to mislead parliament ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selma</p>
<p>I thought we had been through this a few times. Do you remember my (somewhat confusing to you perhaps) suggestion that applying 5yr/old logic of <b>He did it too</b> is not a good standard to set for Ministers.  </p>
<p>However I&#8217;ll play your game: Do you really think we should repeal the laws that make it illegal to mislead parliament ?</p>
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		<title>By: kiwi in america</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/dbp_lied_to_the_pm_also.html#comment-325694</link>
		<dc:creator>kiwi in america</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rabbiting on about the long forgotten (by ma and pa voter that is) Shipley-Roberts incident demonstrates Selma&#039;s (read 9th floor spin) desperateness on this issue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rabbiting on about the long forgotten (by ma and pa voter that is) Shipley-Roberts incident demonstrates Selma&#8217;s (read 9th floor spin) desperateness on this issue</p>
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		<title>By: The Perfect Man</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/dbp_lied_to_the_pm_also.html#comment-325683</link>
		<dc:creator>The Perfect Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whats wrong in this whole DBP affair? No surprise, NZ is only reaping what NZ has sown. Teach and indoctrinate relativism to the population for decades (who have happily accepted it) and then expect people (in this case our leaders) to live as though they believed in absolute standards of right and wrong? Bunch of complaining hypocrites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats wrong in this whole DBP affair? No surprise, NZ is only reaping what NZ has sown. Teach and indoctrinate relativism to the population for decades (who have happily accepted it) and then expect people (in this case our leaders) to live as though they believed in absolute standards of right and wrong? Bunch of complaining hypocrites.</p>
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		<title>By: merc</title>
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		<dc:creator>merc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 03:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
Yes but...doesn&#039;t BP&#039;s demonstrable lying to Parliament (more than once) and his getting nothing for doing so (he resigned, he was not censured),
TOTALLY UNDERMINE THE SYSTEM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes but&#8230;doesn&#8217;t BP&#8217;s demonstrable lying to Parliament (more than once) and his getting nothing for doing so (he resigned, he was not censured),<br />
TOTALLY UNDERMINE THE SYSTEM?</p>
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		<title>By: gd</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/dbp_lied_to_the_pm_also.html#comment-325678</link>
		<dc:creator>gd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 03:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>merc Where the hell did you get that crazy idea. This is New Zealand land of the best governance in the whole wide world Land of the most independent civil service in  the world. Land of the best corproate governance in the world. the land where all politicans and civil servants are snow white and all company directors abide by the very best code of corproate compliance. Well thats what the Gumint the SSC and the IOD say so heh whose to not believe them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>merc Where the hell did you get that crazy idea. This is New Zealand land of the best governance in the whole wide world Land of the most independent civil service in  the world. Land of the best corproate governance in the world. the land where all politicans and civil servants are snow white and all company directors abide by the very best code of corproate compliance. Well thats what the Gumint the SSC and the IOD say so heh whose to not believe them.</p>
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		<title>By: What the?</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/dbp_lied_to_the_pm_also.html#comment-325677</link>
		<dc:creator>What the?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 03:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too dishonest to be in cabinet but not too dishonest to be an MP?

Please explain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too dishonest to be in cabinet but not too dishonest to be an MP?</p>
<p>Please explain.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 03:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Selma Bouvier: you can remind us all you like about jenny shipley&#039;s silliness over kevin roberts.  who cares? she&#039;s not even in parliament anymore. john key is our leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selma Bouvier: you can remind us all you like about jenny shipley&#8217;s silliness over kevin roberts.  who cares? she&#8217;s not even in parliament anymore. john key is our leader.</p>
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		<title>By: merc</title>
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		<dc:creator>merc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he was fired he&#039;d have to fired from The Party and fired as an MP. Not only would he lose his pension? there would be an Election, no?
I thought lying to Parliament was a sackable offense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he was fired he&#8217;d have to fired from The Party and fired as an MP. Not only would he lose his pension? there would be an Election, no?<br />
I thought lying to Parliament was a sackable offense?</p>
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		<title>By: AGJ</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/dbp_lied_to_the_pm_also.html#comment-325662</link>
		<dc:creator>AGJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;DPB was never sacked - he resigned.&lt;/em&gt;

If you believe that then would you be interested in a bridge I&#039;m currently selling? :roll:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>DPB was never sacked &#8211; he resigned.</em></p>
<p>If you believe that then would you be interested in a bridge I&#8217;m currently selling? <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: I wasn't pushed,I jumped!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>I wasn't pushed,I jumped!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;DPB was never sacked - he resigned.&quot;

ohahaha, oh my, hilarious, tears in my eyes, my side aches, no, please stop...hahahahahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;DPB was never sacked &#8211; he resigned.&#8221;</p>
<p>ohahaha, oh my, hilarious, tears in my eyes, my side aches, no, please stop&#8230;hahahahahaha</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>roger nome

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Um, yeah - it’s called politics. You know decisions are made about what’s best for the common good of the party &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Somewhere in there roger you seem to have forgotten that decisions &lt;b&gt;should&lt;/b&gt; be based on what is best for the country. With your acceptance of &lt;b&gt;put the party first&lt;/b&gt; it&#039;s no surprise that nothing the labour party do will shake your support for a self serving and corrupt bunch of twits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roger nome</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Um, yeah &#8211; it’s called politics. You know decisions are made about what’s best for the common good of the party &#8220;</i></p>
<p>Somewhere in there roger you seem to have forgotten that decisions <b>should</b> be based on what is best for the country. With your acceptance of <b>put the party first</b> it&#8217;s no surprise that nothing the labour party do will shake your support for a self serving and corrupt bunch of twits.</p>
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		<title>By: STC</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/dbp_lied_to_the_pm_also.html#comment-325658</link>
		<dc:creator>STC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;But get this - even though he sat down on Monday with the PM and her colleagues, and lied to them about what he said.  That was not a sackable offence.  It was only after the House on Thursday when the press gallery starting to state they had been lied to, that she decided he had to go.

So the moral of the story - you don’t get sacked for lying.  You get sacked for being caught out by the media in a lie.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;


DPB was never sacked - he resigned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;But get this &#8211; even though he sat down on Monday with the PM and her colleagues, and lied to them about what he said.  That was not a sackable offence.  It was only after the House on Thursday when the press gallery starting to state they had been lied to, that she decided he had to go.</p>
<p>So the moral of the story &#8211; you don’t get sacked for lying.  You get sacked for being caught out by the media in a lie.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>DPB was never sacked &#8211; he resigned.</p>
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		<title>By: cubit9f</title>
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		<dc:creator>cubit9f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever noted that the worst thing a politician can level at another politician is to call them a liar. The temperature in the house goes white hot at the suggestion. The Speaker almost goes into cardiac arrest and retribution is quick. It just cannot be done. I guess it is probably stating the obvious and therefore wasting the time of the house.

Which brings me to Madam speaker. Shouldn&#039;t she be very miffed that someone told porkies in her house. She gets very emotional at other less meaningful transgressions.

Perhaps she should haul DBP up and roundly chastise him for leading the house astray with his economic use of the truth.

When does hell freeze over?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever noted that the worst thing a politician can level at another politician is to call them a liar. The temperature in the house goes white hot at the suggestion. The Speaker almost goes into cardiac arrest and retribution is quick. It just cannot be done. I guess it is probably stating the obvious and therefore wasting the time of the house.</p>
<p>Which brings me to Madam speaker. Shouldn&#8217;t she be very miffed that someone told porkies in her house. She gets very emotional at other less meaningful transgressions.</p>
<p>Perhaps she should haul DBP up and roundly chastise him for leading the house astray with his economic use of the truth.</p>
<p>When does hell freeze over?</p>
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		<title>By: DavidW</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/dbp_lied_to_the_pm_also.html#comment-325653</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry guys and gals, the rogered gnome will respond to Selma - &quot;but it&#039;s called politics sweetie, nothing to see here, move along please&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry guys and gals, the rogered gnome will respond to Selma &#8211; &#8220;but it&#8217;s called politics sweetie, nothing to see here, move along please&#8221;</p>
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