A mother writes
NZ Herald journalist and mother Karyn Scherer writes in the Herald how Police visited her on Saturday Night:
There were three burly policemen on my doorstep, who shone a torch in my face and aggressively informed me that someone in my neighbourhood was concerned that I might be abusing my children.
It turns out that the alleged abuse was Scherer making her two year old have a bath and go to bed. While the Police accepted this explanation, Scherer ponders:
So they left, but without so much as a smile or a “sorry to bother you”, and now I am the talk of the neighbourhood.
I can only suppose my name is on a blacklist somewhere, and if they get another call then Child Youth and Family will be notified.
And then she reconsiders a previous position:
I have written editorials in favour of the anti-smacking law and I have been asked to appear on TV to present my arguments. I have bored my colleagues with my views on the matter, and I must admit I am now wondering if those who argued that the anti-smacking law would come back to bite good parents on the bum might have been right.
August 14th, 2007 at 7:54 am
Wasn’t it inevitable that busybodies would cause distress to decent parents? The anti smacking bill was always going to cause trouble for decent parents but make no difference to the real abusers.
August 14th, 2007 at 7:59 am
Surprise, surprise, surprise.
August 14th, 2007 at 8:05 am
She and her children had nothing to fear and the police went on their way. I think its outstanding that our deeply entrenched culture of violence is being challenged and its fantastic that neighbours now feel empowered to be bothered about what they hear. That is what the section 59 debate was always about – sending a message violence isn’t OK and sending a message that we can all do something about it. I say bravo!
August 14th, 2007 at 8:17 am
Bravo for the neighbour to be concerned.
Stinko for the neighbour for not checking himself.
Stinko for sending 3 police.
Stinko for them not apologizing.
August 14th, 2007 at 8:27 am
How many other parents will be ’shamed’ into not setting boundaries for their children lest someone report them to police as abusers?
And will those children become constructive or destructive citizens as a result of less parental guidance?
August 14th, 2007 at 8:32 am
” think its outstanding that our deeply entrenched culture of violence is being challenged”
TomS, I think you’ll find that the ‘culture of violence’ is rather narrowly distributed in NZ society although I concur that it is deepy entrenched.
August 14th, 2007 at 8:35 am
“the anti-smacking law would come back to bite good parents on the bum might have been right.”
Ah duh
If you were a PC policeman which would you rather do – go and catch some real thugs or have a quiet walk in a leafy neighbourhood and then head back to the station to write a report.
Instead of kitting up and breaking up the gang dens and p-labs they’d rather be chasing up smackers in the no-risk for child abuse demographic.
This is what NZ has come to.
August 14th, 2007 at 8:35 am
TomS, Fool.. It’s the FAMILY and neighbours that should be knocking on that mum’s door asking what’s going on, NOT the police or CYF.
If you are capable of balanced thought you could extrapolate the outcome from the two alternative methods of intervention.
If you avoid personal responsiblity and just ring 111 you fall into the group of “the Gummint ought to..” “it’s not my problem”.. etc L.
If you knock on the door and say “can I help?” you may cop an earful. But you know, the mum knows and even the kid in question knows that your intention was good.
Very soon the neighbourhood knows that you are “Ok”.. etc R.
If you can’t do that then you prove something that. .. well you work it out!!
August 14th, 2007 at 8:36 am
You’d think a neighbour would recognise a tantrum for what it was, based on other observations.
August 14th, 2007 at 8:36 am
Here’s Labours real plan… Soon the Police will be overwhelmed with callouts for screaming toddlers and it will no longer be feasible to focus so much resource on tucking little ones into bed when there’s people doing 5 kph over the limit. And amendment to the bill be passed and they will introduce demerit points for callouts. Over 100 and the toddler spends 28 days with CYPS.
Ha ha Karyn Scherer. It’s funny when stupidity hits yourself in the face eh?
August 14th, 2007 at 8:40 am
krazykiwi, I don’t think its narrowly distributed at all; Acceptance of violence as a child rearing tool is (to quote Ranganui Walker’s interesting letter in the Listener) deeply ingrained in Christian thinking and thematic in our culture. Extreme violence is a problem definitely associated with the (largely brown) underclass created by Rogernomics. As John Minto (http://johnminto.org.nz/) so compellingly pointed out:
“…Child-abuse deaths for Maori were on a par with the rest of New Zealand in 1987. In the period 1978 to 1987 the number of children aged 0 to 14 per 100,000 killed was 0.92 for non-Maori and 1.05 for Maori. A few years later it spiralled out of control. For the period 1991 to 2000 the figures were 0.67 for non-Maori but 2.40 for Maori.
This dramatic increase has obvious roots. The number of Maori in paid work dropped by 15 per cent between 1986 and 1991 while total unemployment fell just 6 per cent. Maori unemployment peaked at a staggering 26 per cent in 1991 while the non-Maori rate was just 9 per cent…”
So I dispute that the CULTURE of violence is narrowly distributed – but of course the poor, as usual, carry the burden of being the most likely victims of violence.
August 14th, 2007 at 8:41 am
In a situation like this, the police SHOULD revisit the person who made the complaint and do the following.
A: Thank the person for getting involved
B: There was nothing to get involved about, all we had was a typical 2 year old tanty moment.
This sends 2 messages. It was right to be involved but the parent in question is a good parent.
August 14th, 2007 at 8:45 am
Fancy that – Miraculously there just happened to be 3 available policepeople to be sent round ! That must have made a dent in the budgetted returns from ticketing motorists ! not to mention their unavailability for attending real crime when it is reported.
August 14th, 2007 at 8:46 am
Well TomS, in a country that is anti wealth and promotes failure, we’re basically fucked then.
August 14th, 2007 at 8:59 am
No TomS yet again spinning a yarn.
Since 1991 NZ maori population rose 21% and the total population rose 11%. More of the “at risk” demographic are now “self identifying” as Maori thats all. And what else happened since the 1980s??? Oh yes another whole generation went by! so now we have 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation welfare dependents and criminals learning the trade.
Yes violence and child abuser is deeply entrench
No it is not widespread amongst any ethnicity (my whanau would not abuse children or hurt people)
It is widespread amongs iontergenerational welfare dependents and habitiual criminals. Thats the demographic!
It is totally ludicrous that people are allowed to self identify to inflate the statistics of a certain demographic.
August 14th, 2007 at 9:00 am
TomS, is raising my voice at at my child violence? Is restraining him when he’s lying on the supermarket floor kicking and screaming also violence? Is ‘gounding’ my daughter psychological violence against her?
100 years ago a parent would need to beat their child black and blue to be classified as violent towards them. Now a light smack will attract the same label. How long before any form of correction (aka exertion of power by a dominant adult towards a powerless child) becomes known as violence? This is a logical progression that we are already seen in action. The result is an entire generation of NZers with complete disregard for authority which in turns leads to total anarchy. My view is that cross sections of our society are already there and others are following closely behind.
Of course all this is good for pure socialism. Anarchy paves the way for the state to increase their powers and to subjugate individuals in the name of ‘the greater good’.
August 14th, 2007 at 9:04 am
This one won’t go away, despite attempts to portray it as “only ten minute interviews, not (yet) peer reviewed”, and Sue Bradford questioning DrMillichamps motives when she presented it to …. [I doubt that given the time scale and number of experts involved they would have screwed this study up]
Smacking study hits at claims of harm
Groundbreaking New Zealand research has refuted thousands of international studies which claim that smacking children makes them more likely to become aggressive and antisocial
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10404809
August 14th, 2007 at 9:04 am
So this silly women thinks that 80% of common sense voters who opposed Bradford’s smacking saga success could have been on the money opposing such madness. The fact that stupid John Key blessed it and Chester kissed the inept ogress reflects the how much out of touch politicians are with mainstream New Zealand. This wayward social engineering installs fear within children and is a subjugation of eroded parental rights. Kiwi’s we have the God given right to set healthy boundaries which sets a platform for children to learn respect and love in a caring child/parent relationship.
Tom S ( darthman Trade Me gripper ) – the conniving, socialist lickspittle, deranged and nonsensical politicians have not stopped child abuse or infanticide , have they, as the people they’re trying to change don’t care as they bash babies on the head with hammers and put young toddlers in washing machines and hang them out to dry .
August 14th, 2007 at 9:08 am
jh, those researchere will never get another grant.
Oh TomS thanks for the minto link. Unfortunately he’s “closed comments” so I can’t correct him on his rubbish. He even copyrights his bollocks! ;lol;
August 14th, 2007 at 9:11 am
Try getting three Dorkland pigs to call around to stop a headhunters piss up !!!
What a cess -pit country of f##ked up wimps !!
August 14th, 2007 at 9:17 am
Nothing that a bit of tear gas and a few rubber bullets could cure – only thing stopping us is the weak stomachs of the Remuera socialists sitting in front of TV each night counting their money from sitting on public boards, charities or the judical feeding trough.
August 14th, 2007 at 9:30 am
John Key promised to change it if the new law caused problems for good parents. Here he has justification to do just that. Should we hold our breath?
August 14th, 2007 at 9:34 am
Much as I hate the antismacking law and National for rvoting for it this has nothing to do with it. It is about HC’s and others calls to dob in your neighbour, and some old dear has swallowed it hook line and sinker.
August 14th, 2007 at 9:36 am
Forget John Key as Mr Nice is worried about the labour poofters attacking him personally in a week that babies get put in washing machines and murderous scum get bail for bashing children on the head while some parastic Maori goes walkabout on a select com . well f##k me poor John Boy go spend some of your’e $50 Million !!!!
Yeah weak willed men like all male politicians in this country give me the shits and I speak for many voters who have had a gutsful of the privileged socialists who think their shit don’t stink . Well Mr PC is does !!
Would a male politician of integrity please stand up , please stand up – Christmas is coming – what a load of crawling twisted cocksuckers !!!
August 14th, 2007 at 9:46 am
It amazes me that the sinister nature of these kind of situations is not more remarked upon. Have NZers become a nation of brownshirts? Is dobbing a part of the NZ psyche these days? Don’t people have the slightest concerns about how these kind of systems can be abused? Don’t they think for one minute how the sleaze bag leftists who pollute this forum with their intolerance and hate would call and make a false complaint against a political foe at the drop of a hat??? What is there to shield people against this kind of action. I’ll tell you. None. If fucken scumbag politicians are going to legislate these kind of big government statist laws, they should also legislate for massive penalties against their misuse. For fuck’s sake this place has become such a stinking socialist sewer. NZers once would never had had a bar of such disgusting social mores. What’s next, Hitler Jugen?
August 14th, 2007 at 9:52 am
Redbaiter – the socialist filth both National & Labour and all those other MMP parasitic leaches – want kiwi’s to live in fear as it gives them a sense of job security and social standing , however is it the old divide and rule concept !! Time to smash these creeps with honesty and accountability !!
I am ashamed to read day after day that more young families are packing up and moving across the ditch and being replaced by HIV positive Zimbabwean’s .
What the FUCK has happened to the lickspittle country ?!!!!
RIP to all the murdered children , so sad , enough is enough .
August 14th, 2007 at 10:00 am
d4j,
while may some people may share some of your sentiments, i’d suggest that few care for your style of angry venting and blame.
take a chill pill, go for a walk, help someone who is needy today. by making the world a better place for one person your outlook will improve despite so much sucky stuff happing outside your control.
my 2c. have a good day.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:10 am
>Miraculously there just happened to be 3 available policepeople to be sent round.
I wouldn’t call it a miracle. I mean, I know a guy who knows a guy who was being burgled. He told the cops that three guys were in his garage trying to steal his car. He rang the cops and they told him they’d be there in half an hour. So he waited a few minutes and rang the cops back. “Don’t worry about turning up, I’ve shot the three of them dead”, he said, calmly. Needless to say, the cops turned up in record time. Just in time to apprehend the still-alive burglars.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:13 am
Krazy kiwi – I was waiting for somone to say the old cliche chill pill routine , yawn , yawn , boring .
Yeah she’ll be right mate , the kiwi way , out of my control , yeah right forget about it mate , here have a beer , get on with life, build a bridge etc etc ……. yawn , yawn , the same old will continue !
No wonder widespread corruption is accepted as the kiwi way, as dog eat dog and nobody cares as we count to the money honey !
August 14th, 2007 at 10:16 am
That visit will be recorded on the Police database against you.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:19 am
One more of us, one less of them.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:36 am
Oh, forgot to make another point, relevant to this particular episode. The victim happened to a “journalist”. Well, damn hard luck Diane. You admit to having cheered for the anti-smacking legislation. Once, when journalists and journalism were/ was respected in the community because they stood for the rights of the individual, and cheered for the common man, and weren’t just sleazy advocates and megaphones for socialism, big government and every other such set of circumstances that reduces our choices and our freedom, I might have expressed pity for your situation. Today, I say damn good job. Couldn’t have happened to a more worthy person. You’ve begged for it for years. You begged for it and you got it. Should happen to more “journalists”.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:37 am
Sorry, Karen, not Diane.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:40 am
“Take a chill pill, go for a walk, help someone who is needy today”.
Just for the record Krazy Kiwi I am helping a mother of six who had her children that range from 18months old to 15 years of age inexplicably seized from her home at 7.30 pm by six police officers and a vindictive feminazi CYFS social worker. The police stormed inside the house and filled the lounge where the children (who had just been bathed) were watching a children’s video. The callous pigs told the traumatised children to put their belongings in plastic bags and come with them. The mother desperately tired to stop them from taking her children and clung to the patrol car as the extremely frightened children were screaming to be with their mother. Sadly she lay on the road crying , as her beloved children were wisked away by evil filth until someone assisted her back home on a cold Christchurch’s winters evening. I have complained to the Minister Ruth Dyson but she just fobs me off and the gutless media think it’s funny!
Do you want to hear another 12 or so horror stories from grand mothers and mums and dads that relate to underhand tactics by feminazi govt agencies ? I help people on a daily basis , what do you do for a job krazy kiwi ?
Working at the coalface I see a look that is swept under the carpet by government agencies and I despise most aspects of this sordid and evil government for good reason.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:45 am
Just to add , CYFS were acting on a annoymous tip off , who later turned out be a drug dealer on the run from police at the time !!
Facts will destroy this regime of feminazi whores !!
August 14th, 2007 at 10:50 am
Would be interesting to know a little about the neighbour actually. I’m guessing either without children or elderly & having forgotten the trials & tribulations of parenting toddlers. The police could have preserved this mums integrity by explaining their position & apologising for the inconvenience. And then to restore her integrity with the neighbour, popped over the fence & explained their findings. What’s to stop the same scenario to recur next time little darling doesn’t want his bath! Police officers with life experience and humility is what is needed but they seem not to be the traits that score well on police recruit applications.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:52 am
D4J\Your crassness knows no bounds so even the times you may have something of interest to say, the message is lost in translation. Shame everyone else sees that but you.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:53 am
what slightlyrightly says …
But Karyn makes a good point that the police didn’t do anything. Kids are very changeable … even after been abused they could be little angels half an hour later. So it raises a difficult question … if the police were sufficientrly worried to drop by, shouldn’t they do more than just have a chat?
I don’t know what the answer to this question is.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:56 am
Lisa,
Police that have life experience got out of the force years ago and police with humility , well lets just say, it would be easier to find Osama bin Laden than finding a cop with compassionate integrity ?
August 14th, 2007 at 10:59 am
d4j – It’s true that there are injustices everywhere one looks, and you clearly have seen your share. I simply state that hatred and venom however well intentioned are more part of the problem that they are the solution.
As for my job, I’m self employed and work in the city. Beside that I have a wife and two children, chair a school board of trustees, coach soccer, serve of the boards of two charitable trusts, help support a youth group, like cycling and occassionally have overdue library books.
I care deeply for this country having forebears dating back to the 1840’s on both sides of my family. I am as passionate as you are about fixing things that are broken. Our methods are somewhat different though.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:01 am
We get what we’re prepared to pay for with police. Poor pay, society donging on them the whole time, all the experienced officers perfed, judges letting the crims back out all the time, low morale. Then we wonder why we’re in such a mess.
Is it resolve now d4j – are they back home? Is it on cyfwatch? Yes if its not too much trouble I’d really like to hear the rest. (pqpine@hotmail.com).
August 14th, 2007 at 11:10 am
The matter is before the Courts and the mother is sitting here with me and she would like it kept quiet for now, as we are going to the United Nations ( who are aware of family injustice’s in NZ ) with several similar tragic and sensitive cases .
CYFS watch has the case of the grandmother denied the right to love her grandson for seven years due to false allegations and criminal actions by CYFS and Family Court .
I am no fool, this government is coming down as once the public hear the real story of the Labour Fractured Family Industry they will cry for blood !!
August 14th, 2007 at 11:24 am
Hahaha.
I gotta love the the double standards held by some people on this thread. Doesn’t it seem ironic that the same people who are applauding John Howard’s cynically oppurtunistic and disgusting invasion into the lives of Aboriginal peoples in Australia (including police and medical staff physically examining all children in Aboriginal communities for signs of sexual abuse) are now decrying the case of a neighbour notifying the police regarding her fears that her neighbour was abusing her children. Understandable considering our poor record of child abuse has received so much coverage lately and calls for people to watch out for the young and vulnerble in our communities. Its easy for someone to say, “Well, she should have gone over and talked to her about it”, than it is to have the guts to do it yourself.
In fact “the Rock” radio station is calling for just that action in my community (Rotorua). Is there a different standard for Pakeha and Maori? If you hear screams from Pakeha families then it mustn’t be abuse, because its only a Maori problem despite statistics that say otherwise? Yes as an ethnic group they are over represented, but that doesn’t mean its only a Maori problem.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:51 am
Firstly JamesE I am surprised at you Howard outburst because we need to move into some “communities” and break the cycle of violence and dependence as well.
But you are right it is not a Maori only problem and to advocate dobbing in neighbours because they hear poopsie having a tantrum will create more problems than it solves. It is a generational recidivist violent criminal demographic that should be targeted Howard style and they should be given proper help but also forced to meet milestones of good social behaviour and sucessful child outcomes if they want to keep their kids and their help. Otherwise lock em up, make them work for their keep and spend the money on the salvagable ones. The longer we pussyfoot around the harder it will be.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:56 am
I wonder how long it will be before CYFS and the police show up to remove young johnny from home because he told his teacher that he was smacked at home. Like the scum that they are the socialists will now work to turn the children against their parents.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:58 am
Anti Smacking Bills – MPs going “walk about” while on government business – State Servants removing “undesirables” from Minister’s Offices – are all akin to Patsy questions asked in parliament. They are just red herrings to divert attention from Government’s main objectives: A return to power at all costs?
August 14th, 2007 at 12:11 pm
SSB just worked that out? Its “capitalist society’s” problem and we are “none of us innocent”. I’ve heard it since I could crawl. They used to sit around smoking dope and wondering how they could get these “white powerbases” – been there, done that when I was young and foolish (and had no money and that was very foolish). Bradford the otehr day “i hope the council isnt full of old pakeha males”. Imagine if I said I hope the council isn’t full of bungas.
Welcome to the 3rd world Frank, and the Democratic Feminist Republic of Aotearoa. Perhaps Howard could give us some aid.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
D4J
Your last post was interesting and informative, keep it up please if you don’t want to be tarred with the Sonic/Selma brush and have your posts ignored.The strength of your argument is diminished by unecessary venom.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
JamesE get your facts right.
In Australia medical checks for kids is going on but the proposal for genital examinations of all children was dropped before the intervention started.
Trying to compare the aboriginal situation with the Maori situation in NZ is disingenious and belittles the plight of the outback settlements.
What is right though is that wherever child abuse is detected then some intervention is required be it from the state or NGO agencies as used to be the case before Government took over the welfare industry totally.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
DPF It would be interesting if you could retrieve the posts that said this would never happen and the posts from those of us who said it would. Hate to be proved right but it was obvious this type of legislation was going to result in innocents being targeted whilst the deaths and beating just keep on keeping on.
And the excusers and apologists get more and more desperate trying to defend their unsustainable positions.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
Porc.
“Firstly JamesE I am surprised at you Howard outburst…”
You’re not disgusted at John Howard’s cynical, politically motivated, headline grabbing, interventionist approach to dealing with the problems in Aboriginal communities? You actually think that he actually gives a flying feck about those kids? Isn’t it a bit coincidental that he decides to take this action now that his party is lagging behind Labour in the polls and his approach was almost guaranteed to hit the headlines?
“…..because we need to move into some “communities” and break the cycle of violence and dependence as well.”
I’d be hesitant to advocate New Zealand to follow the same line that Howard has gone down. New Zealand government agencies have a poor record of their intervention in the past and I wouldn’t assume there to be much of an improvement in the future.
“It is a generational recidivist violent criminal demographic that should be targeted Howard style and they should be given proper help but also forced to meet milestones of good social behaviour and sucessful child outcomes if they want to keep their kids and their help.”
They are targetting them already. Here in Rotorua theres a local government bylaw, that prevents repeat offenders from entering the CBD some of whom have over 100 Criminal Convictions.
“We know that about 90 per cent of the crime in the CBD is committed by 10 per cent of the offender population, so we’d be mad not to look at options to see how we can put some restraints on those people.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10394316
August 14th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Oh keeping them out of the CBD will help. I mean taking their benefits and their kids and locking them up. WTF are people with 100 convistions doing walking around breeding.
Yes we have a poor record of intervention – that is a very good point. But that could be solved. Two things immediately spring to mind that have contributed markedly to this situation.
Firstly, decades of the courts assuming that the mother is always the right person to have primary custody. the problem is that they then go from one degenerate partner to another who often abuse the children. so often the beater or killer is just the latest bonk.
Secondly, the patronising liberals who put out this idea that the worst that could happen is that the child gets adopted by a nice middle class family – and as usual the sick thcko NZ public swallows it lock stock and both smoking barrels. Peeethetic.
So please dont think I’m harsh but my compassion fatigue is such that I would probably cheer it the police and army rumbled into Wanganui and torched the gang houses and stuck the mebers where the sun dont shine.
August 14th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
I do understand rumpole rational debate is called for with all due respect .
August 14th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
I think more successful policy intiatives would be.
Reform our education system. Its obviously failing our kids. No point in forcing kids to go if its not doing them any good.
“One in four leave school without NCEA level one.”
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0708/S00006.htm
Make abortion illegal and encourage the use of contraceptives.
“My guess would be that the existence legal abortion made condoms unfashionable in the 1970s. Jonathan Klick’s study suggested that legalized abortion caused a sizable increase in infections with sexually transmitted diseases, which supports that hypothesis.”
http://www.isteve.com/Freakonomics_Fiasco.htm
Improve our economic performance. Adequately educate and train our own people rather than relying on immigrants to fill our skill shortages, which depresses worker’s wages, which are amoung the lowest in the OECD already. This doesn’t exactly encourage the unemployed to enter the workforce if they can help it.
http://www.neon.org.nz/newsarchive/nzlwe/
Ensure that the benefit is spent on essentials for the families through setting up accounts at the local grocery store (alcohol should be flagged if the receipient should attempt to purchase it) and automatic payments for their utilities (power, phone, water, gas). Anything else should be run by a case manager at WINZ and if approved the receipts should be checked againsts goods afer purchase. The government also needs to audit and clampdown on crooked finance companies that prey upon the vulnerable in our society.
“Govt Commissioned Report Into Loan Sharks Shelved”
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0704/S00342.htm
Shut down pokie machine outlets in our community. Rotorua has one of the highest expenditure on gambling per head of population in the country.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundaystartimes/4161567a6442.html
Limit the availability of alcohol within our communities.
“Analyses of the graph below shows both Rotorua and Taupo have the highest numbers proportionately, of on-licensed premises, with the tourist trade reportedly influencing this. It is important however to consider the usual resident population that exists all year round within this higher density.”
http://www.bopdhb.govt.nz/ToiTeOra/PDFs/MediaReleases/2004/MediaRelease-20041209.pdf
August 14th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
“WTF are people with 100 convistions doing walking around breeding?”
Like you say, because our no nothing, namby pamby pollies and judges etc.
“Firstly, decades of the courts assuming that the mother is always the right person to have primary custody. the problem is that they then go from one degenerate partner to another who often abuse the children. so often the beater or killer is just the latest bonk.”
Yep, sad but true. What can you do about that though?
However much I agreed with Don Brash’s policies I think his suggestion that the government should encourage alternatives to abortion and the DPB is a good one. I’m adopted and although I don’t always get on with my parents I know I could be in a far worse situation than I am, but look at the reaction that his suggestion got from the ruling sisterhood…
“A suggestion by Don Brash that adoption should be more acceptable than the DPB has been described as “unfortunate” by Prime Minister Clark.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10008221
Still I think the DPB is necessary to ensure a beaten wife is financially independant from deadbeat Dads. The father is often on a benefit as well, which prevents him from fulfilling his financial obligations.
August 14th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
Yes poor fathers’ , “the Labour Government will do nothing for fathers ” – Tim Barnett 2004 , while the blue team has Judith Collins calling every non -custodial dad a deadbeat and flapping in the wind is peter dunne who cranks up the child extortion payment racket that makes it uneconomical for fathers to find constructive and meaningful work in the community !
Go figure – welcome to feminazi where dads get shafted every which way .
August 14th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
JamesE WTF are you a walking political encyclopedia or something! Great suggestions mate. I agree with just about everything you say.
Firstly we need to divert money away from the pockets of the leeches and into the long term sustainability of our economy for the good of everyone. The problem is these social problems that have been caused by an unholy alliance between leftie totalitarian excusers and rightie laissez faire liberals now bleedsw us dry of the money we need for a long term solution.
So we need to go through a short time where we get tough and ignore the bleating from the do-gooders.
This applies to the education as well. It would be good to reorganise it but even as it stands if you could get the kids from intergenerationally failing homes to stay at school and some co-operation on discipline they would receive a good basic education.
How to stop the numbnuts from breeding until they can provide a good environment for their children – well ong term education and the desire to reap the benifits of being in a higher socioeconomic category is the best I can think of. But the namby pamby way has failed and we need to turn it around where the kids dont dare misbehave at scholl and the parents dont dare let the kids misbehave anywhere.
Stop spending the money on bureaucrats and spend the money on troops (social services possibly attached to the police) on the ground seems like the best way forward, but with a view to phasing them out as the problems are solved, not perpetuating anouther feeding trough.
August 14th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Perhaps Judges and Lawyers should have to do 5 years in the police force before they qualify – that would sort out a few namby pamby interlectuals who go straight from the cradle to univeristy to excusing psychopaths.
August 14th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
The last two judges appointed by the corrupt labour government were both women , one a ChCh crown lawyer and the other a destructive child counsel lawyer from Timaru .
I have serious mud on both of them .
August 14th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
I suppose its like “looking from pig to man and back to pig again” a la “Animal Farm” when the come up against dishonest antisocial people then.
August 14th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
The old boys club like blonde fresh meat – I think Ms Dalziel from crown law looks set to be another promoted female judge before the election, because the sisterhood must roll on, at all costs to society !
Talk about corruption to keep the feminazi lie going !!
August 14th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
It’s the MP’s sister whose name eludes me , what was she called , she told lies while in public office as a Minister of the Crown , however Helen Clark laughed about it .
August 14th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
This situation is not a result of the anti-smacking bill. My sister in law was in exactly the same situation about two years ago. She has two sets of twins. One night when her husband was elsewhere one set was in the bath and misbehaving and the other set was close by and also misbehaving. The result was a houseful of under 10 year olds screaming their heads off. A neighbour called the police because they had no idea what was happening – just heard huge amounts of screaming. The police showed up, assessed the situation and left.
She didn’t hit them, beat them etc. The noise was just their own tanty noise.
(and for the record, I didn’t support Bradford’s bill).
August 14th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
Respect for the rule of law seems to only matter today if in fact we have diligent guardians unto Liberty and honored respects for Human dignity.
August 14th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
Wasn’t it inevitable that busybodies would cause distress to decent parents? The anti smacking bill was always going to cause trouble for decent parents but make no difference to the real abusers.
D’oh!
The police acted exactly the way they should have. They turned up, assessed the situation, and moved right along, because in their professional opinion, exactly nothing was wrong.
It’s the FAMILY and neighbours that should be knocking on that mum’s door asking what’s going on, NOT the police or CYF.
Exactly so. Though there is a danger that we become a nation of supervisors…
August 14th, 2007 at 8:48 pm
“Yes poor fathers’ , “the Labour Government will do nothing for fathers ” – Tim Barnett 2004 , while the blue team has Judith Collins calling every non -custodial dad a deadbeat and flapping in the wind is peter dunne who cranks up the child extortion payment racket that makes it uneconomical for fathers to find constructive and meaningful work in the community.”
Dad4justice. Unlike certain others on this blog I don’t pretend to know anything about your domestic situation. I sympathise with your plight despite not exactly being able to identify with with you as a) I don’t know the particulars of your situation and b) I’m not a father let alone a non-custodial one.
Porc.
“WTF are you a walking political encyclopedia or something!”
Heh. My mates say I’m an encyclopedia of useless trivia usually. I just like to have an awareness of how this world works so I read widely and retain as much as I can. Thank goodness for Google as I hate to make unsubstantiated statements that could turn out to be untrue. (Not that I’m particularly happy about what I find out from my research).
“Firstly we need to divert money away from the pockets of the leeches and into the long term sustainability of our economy for the good of everyone.”
Thats easier said than done. Those vested interests are pretty well entrenched and it would take alot of effort to dislodge them.
Thats why I’d love to support a party like the DDP who are willing to sacrifice political expediancy in order to get things done, but I honestly hold no hope for their success, because despite almost 15 years of MMP this country is still pretty much split on bi-partisan lines or worse. The Social Credit Party had more success under FPP than most minor parties have had under MMP.
“It would be good to reorganise it but even as it stands if you could get the kids from intergenerationally failing homes to stay at school and some co-operation on discipline they would receive a good basic education.”
That would go some way towards meeting that goal, but I believe the most pressing issue for our most disadvantaged youth is giving them hope that they CAN succeed off their own bat. I mean. Wheres their role models? I don’t just mean on the sports field. Wheres the Sir Apirana Ngata of this day? I think Maori men need to stand up to the plate on this.
When I studied at OPC last year I was made aware of the exploits of the Maori mountain climber, Mark Whetu, who is renowned as a dedicated expedition leader on Everest. We need more people like this to inspire our young people as to what they can achieve should they have the commitment and persistence to attain any goal they wish. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=782&ObjectID=3505768
“Perhaps Judges and Lawyers should have to do 5 years in the police force before they qualify – that would sort out a few namby pamby interlectuals who go straight from the cradle to univeristy to excusing psychopaths.”
he he. If my brother (who is a cop here in Rotorua) is anything to go b, no doubt.
I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of what you say.
August 15th, 2007 at 7:32 am
I also wholeheartedly agree with your proposed solutions. Mike Moore wrote an interesting column http://www.mike-moore.info/Archive/2004/00_10_04F_Welfare.html on the transformation of the NZ welfare system from the original ‘help up’ that was tightly controlled and infrequently abused to the growing burden of welfare dependancy and its toxic effects. Mike quotes his former cabinet colleague Michael Bassett: “an iron triangle of politicians, bureaucrats and beneficiaries band together to resist change” – this quote neatly sums up the conundrum of making progress on this issue in New Zealand
August 15th, 2007 at 7:32 am
James E
I also wholeheartedly agree with your proposed solutions. Mike Moore wrote an interesting column http://www.mike-moore.info/Archive/2004/00_10_04F_Welfare.html on the transformation of the NZ welfare system from the original ‘help up’ that was tightly controlled and infrequently abused to the growing burden of welfare dependancy and its toxic effects. Mike quotes his former cabinet colleague Michael Bassett: “an iron triangle of politicians, bureaucrats and beneficiaries band together to resist change” – this quote neatly sums up the conundrum of making progress on this issue in New Zealand
August 15th, 2007 at 6:54 pm
JamesE. We need to change the mindset of what jobs are valuable and important. This BS about academic jobs are more important than others is archaic.
Yes I think we need heroes and roll models. But they shouldnt be sports people or mountaineers or celbrities. The kids should look know further than their parents to see the proud hard working people who keep the country running despite the worst efforts of Bassett’s “iron triangle of politicians, bureaucrats and beneficiaries”. the are the bloody heroes and they are who I am for.
Then when the kids get an education they will meet other hard working people and choose a useful career I am sure. We need a mindset change because not everyone can climb everest or earn $50Mil moving money around.
August 15th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
burly policeman
“knock knock, police here open up”
woman,
“does this mean the atrocities are about to start, i been waiting for you,”
August 16th, 2007 at 10:17 am
Deborah wrote: “The police acted exactly the way they should have. They turned up, assessed the situation…”.
Actually, they didn’t assess the situation according to the woman concerned. In fact, the three cops remained outside the entire time. Meanwhile, the kids could have been slowly and quietly dying in another room. The thick blue line strikes again!