Actually, they didn’t assess the situation according to the woman concerned. In fact, the three cops remained outside the entire time. Meanwhile, the kids could have been slowly and quietly dying in another room. The thick blue line strikes again!

Yes I think we need heroes and roll models. But they shouldnt be sports people or mountaineers or celbrities. The kids should look know further than their parents to see the proud hard working people who keep the country running despite the worst efforts of Bassett’s “iron triangle of politicians, bureaucrats and beneficiaries”. the are the bloody heroes and they are who I am for.

Then when the kids get an education they will meet other hard working people and choose a useful career I am sure. We need a mindset change because not everyone can climb everest or earn $50Mil moving money around.

Dad4justice. Unlike certain others on this blog I don’t pretend to know anything about your domestic situation. I sympathise with your plight despite not exactly being able to identify with with you as a) I don’t know the particulars of your situation and b) I’m not a father let alone a non-custodial one.

Porc.

“WTF are you a walking political encyclopedia or something!”

Heh. My mates say I’m an encyclopedia of useless trivia usually. I just like to have an awareness of how this world works so I read widely and retain as much as I can. Thank goodness for Google as I hate to make unsubstantiated statements that could turn out to be untrue. (Not that I’m particularly happy about what I find out from my research).

“Firstly we need to divert money away from the pockets of the leeches and into the long term sustainability of our economy for the good of everyone.”

Thats easier said than done. Those vested interests are pretty well entrenched and it would take alot of effort to dislodge them.

Thats why I’d love to support a party like the DDP who are willing to sacrifice political expediancy in order to get things done, but I honestly hold no hope for their success, because despite almost 15 years of MMP this country is still pretty much split on bi-partisan lines or worse. The Social Credit Party had more success under FPP than most minor parties have had under MMP.

“It would be good to reorganise it but even as it stands if you could get the kids from intergenerationally failing homes to stay at school and some co-operation on discipline they would receive a good basic education.”

That would go some way towards meeting that goal, but I believe the most pressing issue for our most disadvantaged youth is giving them hope that they CAN succeed off their own bat. I mean. Wheres their role models? I don’t just mean on the sports field. Wheres the Sir Apirana Ngata of this day? I think Maori men need to stand up to the plate on this.

When I studied at OPC last year I was made aware of the exploits of the Maori mountain climber, Mark Whetu, who is renowned as a dedicated expedition leader on Everest. We need more people like this to inspire our young people as to what they can achieve should they have the commitment and persistence to attain any goal they wish. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=782&ObjectID=3505768

“Perhaps Judges and Lawyers should have to do 5 years in the police force before they qualify – that would sort out a few namby pamby interlectuals who go straight from the cradle to univeristy to excusing psychopaths.”

he he. If my brother (who is a cop here in Rotorua) is anything to go b, no doubt.

I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of what you say.

D’oh!

The police acted exactly the way they should have. They turned up, assessed the situation, and moved right along, because in their professional opinion, exactly nothing was wrong.

It’s the FAMILY and neighbours that should be knocking on that mum’s door asking what’s going on, NOT the police or CYF.

Exactly so. Though there is a danger that we become a nation of supervisors…

She didn’t hit them, beat them etc. The noise was just their own tanty noise.

(and for the record, I didn’t support Bradford’s bill).

Firstly we need to divert money away from the pockets of the leeches and into the long term sustainability of our economy for the good of everyone. The problem is these social problems that have been caused by an unholy alliance between leftie totalitarian excusers and rightie laissez faire liberals now bleedsw us dry of the money we need for a long term solution.

So we need to go through a short time where we get tough and ignore the bleating from the do-gooders.

This applies to the education as well. It would be good to reorganise it but even as it stands if you could get the kids from intergenerationally failing homes to stay at school and some co-operation on discipline they would receive a good basic education.

How to stop the numbnuts from breeding until they can provide a good environment for their children – well ong term education and the desire to reap the benifits of being in a higher socioeconomic category is the best I can think of. But the namby pamby way has failed and we need to turn it around where the kids dont dare misbehave at scholl and the parents dont dare let the kids misbehave anywhere.

Stop spending the money on bureaucrats and spend the money on troops (social services possibly attached to the police) on the ground seems like the best way forward, but with a view to phasing them out as the problems are solved, not perpetuating anouther feeding trough.

Like you say, because our no nothing, namby pamby pollies and judges etc.

“Firstly, decades of the courts assuming that the mother is always the right person to have primary custody. the problem is that they then go from one degenerate partner to another who often abuse the children. so often the beater or killer is just the latest bonk.”

Yep, sad but true. What can you do about that though?

However much I agreed with Don Brash’s policies I think his suggestion that the government should encourage alternatives to abortion and the DPB is a good one. I’m adopted and although I don’t always get on with my parents I know I could be in a far worse situation than I am, but look at the reaction that his suggestion got from the ruling sisterhood…

“A suggestion by Don Brash that adoption should be more acceptable than the DPB has been described as “unfortunate” by Prime Minister Clark.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10008221

Still I think the DPB is necessary to ensure a beaten wife is financially independant from deadbeat Dads. The father is often on a benefit as well, which prevents him from fulfilling his financial obligations.

Reform our education system. Its obviously failing our kids. No point in forcing kids to go if its not doing them any good.
“One in four leave school without NCEA level one.”
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0708/S00006.htm

Make abortion illegal and encourage the use of contraceptives.
“My guess would be that the existence legal abortion made condoms unfashionable in the 1970s. Jonathan Klick’s study suggested that legalized abortion caused a sizable increase in infections with sexually transmitted diseases, which supports that hypothesis.”
http://www.isteve.com/Freakonomics_Fiasco.htm

Improve our economic performance. Adequately educate and train our own people rather than relying on immigrants to fill our skill shortages, which depresses worker’s wages, which are amoung the lowest in the OECD already. This doesn’t exactly encourage the unemployed to enter the workforce if they can help it.
http://www.neon.org.nz/newsarchive/nzlwe/

Ensure that the benefit is spent on essentials for the families through setting up accounts at the local grocery store (alcohol should be flagged if the receipient should attempt to purchase it) and automatic payments for their utilities (power, phone, water, gas). Anything else should be run by a case manager at WINZ and if approved the receipts should be checked againsts goods afer purchase. The government also needs to audit and clampdown on crooked finance companies that prey upon the vulnerable in our society.

“Govt Commissioned Report Into Loan Sharks Shelved”
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0704/S00342.htm

Shut down pokie machine outlets in our community. Rotorua has one of the highest expenditure on gambling per head of population in the country.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundaystartimes/4161567a6442.html

Limit the availability of alcohol within our communities.
“Analyses of the graph below shows both Rotorua and Taupo have the highest numbers proportionately, of on-licensed premises, with the tourist trade reportedly influencing this. It is important however to consider the usual resident population that exists all year round within this higher density.”
http://www.bopdhb.govt.nz/ToiTeOra/PDFs/MediaReleases/2004/MediaRelease-20041209.pdf

Yes we have a poor record of intervention – that is a very good point. But that could be solved. Two things immediately spring to mind that have contributed markedly to this situation.

Firstly, decades of the courts assuming that the mother is always the right person to have primary custody. the problem is that they then go from one degenerate partner to another who often abuse the children. so often the beater or killer is just the latest bonk.

Secondly, the patronising liberals who put out this idea that the worst that could happen is that the child gets adopted by a nice middle class family – and as usual the sick thcko NZ public swallows it lock stock and both smoking barrels. Peeethetic.

So please dont think I’m harsh but my compassion fatigue is such that I would probably cheer it the police and army rumbled into Wanganui and torched the gang houses and stuck the mebers where the sun dont shine.