And yet another poll rigging
August 29th, 2007 at 10:05 pm by David FarrarInventory2 blogs about another online (NZ Herald) poll rigged, and for the 5th time in a row, hey in favour of Labour.
The poll had Key leading Clark by 2:1 consistently all of Tuesday. Then a huge splurt of votes today with 85% of them being for Clark.
The Herald should publish the IP addresses of any mass multiple voting.
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August 29th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
There you are Inventory2… someone did visit your blog!
Vote:August 29th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
It would be news making if the poll hadn’t been rigged.
Vote:August 29th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
Oh come on! You and your crazy conspiracy theories! With all these polls it’s just a coincidence all the Labour supporters vote at once.
Vote:August 29th, 2007 at 10:59 pm
Vote early, and vote often … I’m looking forward to Labour’s next bill, the EVO bill.
Vote:August 29th, 2007 at 11:34 pm
Yeah, the ‘eave off’ bill. Heave off public and leave us alone. In the sake of public interest we’ll run the country better without elections. Trust us, emergencies (like losing office) call for emergency legislation.
Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, I had a farm in Africa…ok, I lie, I just managed a farm…that was a good lark, taxed at 45% on anything over USD300/mth so of course we got paid by the company branch elsewhere in the world into an o’seas a/cs tax free. Stupid socialist dicks never learn that when govts over tax they actually get less. Socialism did nicks for Bongoland but those there who had skills and/or connections never missed out.
Oh yeah, they were also big into MSM manipulation, denials, smearing et al…
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 12:17 am
TPM, I was thinking more the Elections Vote Often (Labour of Course) Bill, but your suggestion works for me
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 12:23 am
It doesnt suprise me at all. A desperate government if you ask me
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 1:10 am
Do they have people commenting too? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=1501154&objectid=10460478
Hard to tell. Maybe not, but obviously rigging the poll makes it hard to be sure.
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 7:20 am
Years ago, during a fishing contest at Kauwau, a Marlin was weighed in under a young boy’s name. The fish was nearly rotten and it was very soon established that the fish had been found floating out at sea. I always wondered what the kid thought of his dad, trying to gain glory with a lie and using a child to make it seem even better? The same hollow feeling as the poor lab poll riggers perhaps?
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 8:09 am
Interesting that the poll is closed now! Since I blogged about this, the vote tally increased by 780 votes, from 11796 to 12706. Of those, Clark received 222 votes (28.46%), and Key received 463 votes (59.35%) – interestingly, pretty much the same trend that was maintained through almost all the life of the poll – roughly 60/30 in favour of John Key. One could perhaps ask the Herald or its polling provider to explain the wad of votes cast for Clark through yesterday, as well as the decision to return the poll to the front page after “retiring” it (see my blog for more on this), but would you get a straight answer?
BTW – I noticed the roger nome didn’t post much until late yesterday afternoon, and Selma hasn’t been seen all week – might they have been on “other duties” yesterday?
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 8:12 am
krazykiwi said “There you are Inventory2… someone did visit your blog!”
Cheers kk – to have the “great one” frequent my place is privilege indeed! I no longer have the deep emotional need for BBQ invitations!!
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 9:04 am
I don’t get it. Last nite when I looked at this poll it was closed and had John Key miles infront. So how can it be, that after it closed clark can scoot out so far ahead?? wouldn’t be an inside job at the herald would it??
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 9:10 am
Inventory2 ; Maybe has been posting under another name. A few new lefties on here this week! That said, some of them sound quite intelligent, so maybe it isn’t Selma.
Perhaps she is in Zimbabwe working on the next draft of the EFB.
The poll results are laughable. Clearly there was no orchestrated voting. Coincidences like this happen all the time …don’t they?
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 9:14 am
CraigM – who do you think has morphed into “Robinson”?
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 9:33 am
Either one of the regulars has decided to reinvent themselves completely or Robinson is a genuine newbie. He/she doesn’t seem to emulate the style of any of our dearly beloved regular morons.
Good work on monitoring the polls. The Labour machine really is in full swing at the moment, much more in election mode than governing mode.
Interesting letters to the editor in the Herald this morning. Many abusing MM for his article and extoling the virtues of the PM.
As I said, it’s gonna be a long year or so….
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 9:44 am
Inventory2………I take back what I said about “Robinson”. I’ve been away for a fe wdays and ahve aonly checked the site sparodically. Out of curiosity I just had a quick look at his/her comments and it is clearly a Labour party troll. Still may be a newbie, but I suggest it is a dedicated trolling resource from the labour election machine.
It certainly is here to deride, devide and abuse. Another civil servant earning it’s daily bread?
I’ll add her/him to my list of ‘don’t bother responding when it posts’.
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 9:51 am
The poll rigging was just patheitic. Those of us who watched the results during the day could see John Key was getting strong support. And then whammo the Labour Party machine gets into gear and posts a whole lot of support for Helen. If she has to rely on this sort of vote rigging then she should simply give up and make Latte’s for living.
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 10:02 am
Tim – the worry is that if the Labour machine is able to influence online polls to that degree and escape censure – even when all and sundry can see what’s going on – what else could be manipulated? The electoral system has, to date, been robust. However Labour’s attack on free speech through the EFB suggests that we can take nothing for granted any more.
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 10:06 am
“The poll had Key leading Clark by 2:1 consistently all of Tuesday”
Funny how when Key is ahead it is popular opinion, when Labour gets some votes it is vote rigging.
Your paranoa is moving beyond comic and towards worrying guys.
Remember guys, not everyone who posts here who happens to disagree with you is getting paid to do so by some all-powerful conspiracy. We just disagree with you.
[DPF: Sonic should work for Diebold with his ability to whitewash. Someone should calculate the probabality a poll changing halfway from 60:30 to 10:90. I'd say less than 0.1%.]
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 10:07 am
“Those of us who watched the results during the day”
How many times did you vote Tim?
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 10:17 am
And thats why I never want to see electronic voting introduced. I dont trust the bastards from all sides but particularly the Left. In fact IMHO we should have to dip our finger in indelible ink after we vote or in the case of Socialist voter have a stamp on their foreheads.
How come after the last election the EO had to delete so many names Not all were because moving address.
Fact is if you have a long complicated name you can easliy register more than once by simply changing the order of the letters and then Heh Way you go.
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 10:24 am
Public votes tend to come in with consistent ratios. The Herald poll had consistent ratios and favoured Key in line with earlier more scientific polls.
And then voting swung massively towards Labour.
The only plausible explanation is poll rigging – either by Labour staff, or the Herald, or – as the poll moved back to the front page – both Labour and the Herald in cahoots.
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 10:26 am
Morning Sonic! I was merely stating facts – the first time I saw this poll, Key led Clark by 63% to 27%, from around 1700 responses. I cast my vote at that stage, and every time I looked again, the message “You have already voted in this poll” appeared. Throughout Tuesday, and up to Wednesday morning, when the Herald relegated to poll to the online version of the middle pages, that trend was maintained – you’ll see the detail on my blog, which DPF has kindly linked to. By last night, there had been a paradigm shift, which was totally opposite to the trend, then the 60/30 Key/Clark trend was maintained for the last 780 votes. If that doesn’t make you suspicious at least, what will?
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 10:29 am
Inventory, It could be as simple as some lefty blog highlighting the poll and asking it’s readers to vote.
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 10:33 am
Bollocks. Labour wallows in ethically depravity. Poll rigging is all in a days work.
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 10:37 am
Sonic – which “lefty blog” gets 5000 hits in a few hours?
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 10:43 am
Hell, few probably get that many hits in a month. Most leftie blogs I’ve look at are virtual tumbeweed zones.
Nope, this was another Labour rigged poll.
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 10:44 am
Sorry inventory where did that 5000 number come from?
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 10:47 am
sonic; read the friggin post and you’ll have your answer.
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 10:48 am
Hey Inventory2, next sonic will show us a post on a leftie blog conveniently timestamped and encouraging the Labour faithful to head over to the Herald poll.
In fact, I predict that they’ll do this the next time a poll is rigged. Plausible deniability!
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 10:49 am
5391 to be precise Sonic. The number by which Helen Clark’s vote tally in the Herald PPM poll “mysteriously” increased by yesterday afternoon.
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 11:19 am
Inventory2, what did you do to sonic? he went very quiet.
Possibly having difficulty removing the foot from his mouth perhaps?
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 11:26 am
I was wondering the same thing CraigM – his silence is deafening!
BTW – did you have another go at getting into my blog? I made a change to the comments settings, and lo and behold, people talk to me!!
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 11:53 am
From:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10460295
“But his popularity seems unaffected because National has increased its lead and Mr Key has slightly narrowed Helen Clark’s advantage in the preferred Prime Minister stakes.
She remains in front on 47.4 per cent support, but Mr Key has narrowed what was a 10.8-point gap in July to an 8.4-point one.”
The Herald poll was definitely rigged if “the poll had Key leading Clark by 2:1 consistently all of Tuesday.” Because the Herald’s scientific poll the day before shows that Key still enjoys less support than Clark.
So how on Earth is he getting twice as many votes as Clark?
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
yet more desperate measures from liarbor. Why are we paying thes people to supposedly run the country ( into the ground)? They are too busy electioneering & looking for dirt on Key to do anything else apart from getting their trolls to manipulate data
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 1:16 pm
ER, I was having lunch. Should I get a pager so you can have me on call?
There is no evidence this poll was “rigged” indeed it seems that the people obsessing about it all day were National party hacks.
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
So your bold proclamation that “there is no evidence that this polled was rigged” shuts down debate does it Sonic. I don’t claim to have evidence. All I have is suspicions, supported by events of the past, where similar skewing of poll results has happened in a vary narrow timeframe – and where the digital footprint has led back to Parliament.
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
“I don’t claim to have evidence”
Whic is what I said for goodness sake. Pointing that out is hardly an attack on free speech mate.
Vote:August 30th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
Unlike the EFB lol
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