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		<title>By: Anton Foljambe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anton Foljambe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dead Duck seems anxious to know if I am a member of the DDP. The answer is no - I resigned some time ago. I was one of five DDP candidates with an NF background at the 2005 general election, but am no longer associated with either group. I am Chairman of the National Democrats Party (www.nationaldemocrats.org). Kyle Chapman is Deputy Chairman. I have no problem with the DDP, although I am puzzled by the vagueness of their platform. Kelvyn is a good guy, and I&#039;m pleased that he has endorsed Kyle&#039;s bid for Christchurch Mayor. I understand Kelvyn is intending to run for Mayor of Manukau, and I wish him well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dead Duck seems anxious to know if I am a member of the DDP. The answer is no &#8211; I resigned some time ago. I was one of five DDP candidates with an NF background at the 2005 general election, but am no longer associated with either group. I am Chairman of the National Democrats Party (www.nationaldemocrats.org). Kyle Chapman is Deputy Chairman. I have no problem with the DDP, although I am puzzled by the vagueness of their platform. Kelvyn is a good guy, and I&#8217;m pleased that he has endorsed Kyle&#8217;s bid for Christchurch Mayor. I understand Kelvyn is intending to run for Mayor of Manukau, and I wish him well.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Taylor - Deputy Leader, Direct Democracy Party of New Zealand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Taylor - Deputy Leader, Direct Democracy Party of New Zealand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the interests of accuracy:

“Direct Democracy”: Frequently Asked Questions

(A publication of the Direct Democracy Party of New Zealand).

Go to www.ddp.co.nz for a Power point presentation of these notes, or email Steve Taylor, Deputy Leader, Direct Democracy Party of New Zealand, for more information.

Where is “Direct Democracy” on the political spectrum: left, centre, or right?

o	With Direct Democracy, there is no such postional concept as “Left”, “Centre”, or “Right”. A voter is a voter, regardless of their personal political leanings.

What does “Direct Democracy” do?

o	Direct Democracy assures that sovereignty is lodged in the assembly of all citizens at all times for those who choose to participate, as opposed to Representative Democracy, whereby sovereignty is exercised by a subset of the people, elected periodically, but otherwise free to advance their own agendas.

o	Direct Democracy deals with how citizens are &quot;directly&quot; involved with voting for various laws, instead of voting for representatives to decide for them.

What does “Direct Democracy” look like in practice?

•	Direct Democracy is characterised by three pillars:

•	1/ Initiative: (whereby any citizen, on collecting sufficient support, can trigger a Binding Referendum).

•	2/ Binding Referendum: (whereby the voting population is granted an opportunity to veto government legislation).

•	3/ Recall: (whereby voters can remove an elected official from office if the elected official fails to represent the interests of the electorate).

What other countries practice “Direct Democracy”?

•	Switzerland provides the strongest example of a modern direct democracy, as it exhibits the first two pillars at both the local and federal levels. In the past 120 years more than 240 initiatives have been put to referendum. The Swiss populace has been conservative, approving only about 10% of the initiatives put before them; in addition, they have often opted for a version of the initiative rewritten by government.

•	The United States of America is another example of Direct Democracy in action. Despite being a federal republic where no direct democracy exists at the federal level, over 50% of the states (and many localities) provides for citizen-sponsored ballot initiatives (also called &quot;ballot measures&quot; or &quot;ballot questions&quot;) and the vast majority of the states have either initiatives and/or referenda.

How do people vote in a “Direct Democracy”?

o	Direct Democracy may include e-democracy, comprising the use of electronic communications technologies, such as the Internet, in enhancing democratic processes within a democratic republic or representative democracy.

o	 This avenue is best coupled with more traditional forms of vote casting (phone, fax, letter, and personal 1:1 communication) so as to ensure fair democratic inclusion of those who may not have internet access or connection.

When was “Direct Democracy” first practiced?

•	Direct Democracy has an ancient history dating back to 449 BC in the Roman Republic: &quot;citizen lawmaking&quot;—citizen formulation and passage of law, as well as citizen veto of legislature-made law were both practiced in Rome.

•	Direct Democracy in its more modern form began in 1847, when the Swiss added the &quot;statute referendum&quot; to their national constitution. And in 1891, when they added the &quot;constitutional amendment initiative&quot;.

What other components of “Direct Democracy” are available to voters?

o	Direct Democracy may include Constitutional amendment initiative, the most powerful citizen-initiated, direct democracy governance component. 

o	It is a constitutionally-defined petition process of &quot;proposed constitutional law,&quot; which, if successful, results in its provisions being written directly into the state&#039;s constitution. 

o	Since constitutional law cannot be altered by state legislatures, this direct democracy component gives the people an automatic superiority and sovereignty, over representative government. This method of Direct Democracy is currently used in 18 US states.

o	Direct Democracy may include Statute law initiative, a constitutionally-defined, citizen-initiated, petition process of &quot;proposed statute law,&quot; which, if successful, results in law being written directly into the state&#039;s statutes. 

o	This method of Direct Democracy is used in 21 US states.

o	Direct Democracy may include Statute law referendum, a constitutionally-defined, citizen-initiated, petition process of the &quot;proposed veto of all or part of a legislature-made law,&quot; which, if successful, repeals the standing law. 

o	This method of Direct Democracy is used in 24 US states.

Why should I as a voter consider voting for “Direct Democracy”?

•	Improved representation at a local level.
•	Reduced potential for conflicts of interest.
•	Reduced potential for political corruption.
•	Issues decided on own merits, not &quot;special interests“.
•	More rapid Government transition.
•	Reduced influence of major political party donors.
•	Reduced patronage and nepotism by elected officials.
•	Greater political transparency.
•	Efficient and voter-sanctioned decision making process.
•	Increased Representative accountability via Voter Recall option.

What do the critics of “Direct Democracy” say about such a system of Government?

1/  “Direct Democracy won’t work with a large population like New Zealand (4 million people)”.

A: Developments in technology such as the internet, user-friendly secure software, and personal computers can now implement large scale applications of Direct Democracy. Switzerland has 7.3 million citizens, and the USA has 300 million citizens – Direct Democracy is working well for both countries.

2/  “Voters will get tired of voting on issues by Referendum”.
     
A: With the advent of the Internet and cell-phones, e-democracy is a now a potent and efficient tool now regularly used by New Zealanders to practically and efficiently cast their vote on an issue. 

  Common examples of e-democracy now include:
•	On-line opinion polls.
•	Text voting.
•	Phone polls.
•	Formal surveys (e.g.: Colmar Brunton, TNS, Gallup)

3/ “Direct Democracy is simply imposing the tyranny of the majority onto the minority”.

A: There is absolutely no historical evidence to prove this has ever happened. Binding Citizens Initiated Referendums (BCIR) is a definite safeguard against a demagogue gaining power, and such protection is enforced via a formal written Constitution.

There have been a number of demagogues in countries dominated by party politics, but none in Switzerland, which has operated BCIR for over 130 years without incident. Conversely, the “tyranny of the minority” has exerted significant disproportionate power in New Zealand over recent years.
4/ “The voters are too stupid to understand the complexities of the issues at hand, to then have any credibility voting one way or the other on them - expertise on specific Government portfolios is important to ensure good Governance”.

A: But voters are still seemingly smart enough to vote in these same critics to represent them under a Representative Democracy? Currently, New Zealand has an unregistered vet as Minister of Health (Pete Hodgeson) an unregistered dental nurse as Minister of Police (Annette King), an ex- history teacher as Minister of Finance (Michael Cullen), and an ex-University lecturer as Prime Minister (Helen Clark). Direct Democracy offers the electorate “informed consent” on issues of the day, by ensuring the electorate is fully informed about the issues of the day, as opposed to assuming that members of the public are “too stupid” to think for themselves and then to decide on issues.

5/  “New Zealand voters under a system of Direct Democracy will only want to look after their own interests, rather than considering the needs and values of a society as a whole.” 

A: This criticism may be equally made of a Representative Democracy; however it assumes a view of New Zealanders that is not in keeping with how most New Zealanders operate in everyday life. New Zealanders are renowned for “looking after their neighbour”; “lending a hand”; or “helping out a mate”. We are famous for “banding together for a common cause”, even if their may not be any direct benefit to us at the time. This criticism ignores the reality of the New Zealand psyche.

For more information, purchase a copy of “People Power: How to make the Government listen to you, for a change” by Steve Baron &amp; Jonathan Eisen.

Publisher: The Full Court Press, PO Box 44-128, Pt Chevalier, Auckland. ISBN No: 0-9583681-4-7

Direct Democracy Party of New Zealand: www.ddp.co.nz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the interests of accuracy:</p>
<p>“Direct Democracy”: Frequently Asked Questions</p>
<p>(A publication of the Direct Democracy Party of New Zealand).</p>
<p>Go to <a href="http://www.ddp.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.ddp.co.nz</a> for a Power point presentation of these notes, or email Steve Taylor, Deputy Leader, Direct Democracy Party of New Zealand, for more information.</p>
<p>Where is “Direct Democracy” on the political spectrum: left, centre, or right?</p>
<p>o	With Direct Democracy, there is no such postional concept as “Left”, “Centre”, or “Right”. A voter is a voter, regardless of their personal political leanings.</p>
<p>What does “Direct Democracy” do?</p>
<p>o	Direct Democracy assures that sovereignty is lodged in the assembly of all citizens at all times for those who choose to participate, as opposed to Representative Democracy, whereby sovereignty is exercised by a subset of the people, elected periodically, but otherwise free to advance their own agendas.</p>
<p>o	Direct Democracy deals with how citizens are &#8220;directly&#8221; involved with voting for various laws, instead of voting for representatives to decide for them.</p>
<p>What does “Direct Democracy” look like in practice?</p>
<p>•	Direct Democracy is characterised by three pillars:</p>
<p>•	1/ Initiative: (whereby any citizen, on collecting sufficient support, can trigger a Binding Referendum).</p>
<p>•	2/ Binding Referendum: (whereby the voting population is granted an opportunity to veto government legislation).</p>
<p>•	3/ Recall: (whereby voters can remove an elected official from office if the elected official fails to represent the interests of the electorate).</p>
<p>What other countries practice “Direct Democracy”?</p>
<p>•	Switzerland provides the strongest example of a modern direct democracy, as it exhibits the first two pillars at both the local and federal levels. In the past 120 years more than 240 initiatives have been put to referendum. The Swiss populace has been conservative, approving only about 10% of the initiatives put before them; in addition, they have often opted for a version of the initiative rewritten by government.</p>
<p>•	The United States of America is another example of Direct Democracy in action. Despite being a federal republic where no direct democracy exists at the federal level, over 50% of the states (and many localities) provides for citizen-sponsored ballot initiatives (also called &#8220;ballot measures&#8221; or &#8220;ballot questions&#8221;) and the vast majority of the states have either initiatives and/or referenda.</p>
<p>How do people vote in a “Direct Democracy”?</p>
<p>o	Direct Democracy may include e-democracy, comprising the use of electronic communications technologies, such as the Internet, in enhancing democratic processes within a democratic republic or representative democracy.</p>
<p>o	 This avenue is best coupled with more traditional forms of vote casting (phone, fax, letter, and personal 1:1 communication) so as to ensure fair democratic inclusion of those who may not have internet access or connection.</p>
<p>When was “Direct Democracy” first practiced?</p>
<p>•	Direct Democracy has an ancient history dating back to 449 BC in the Roman Republic: &#8220;citizen lawmaking&#8221;—citizen formulation and passage of law, as well as citizen veto of legislature-made law were both practiced in Rome.</p>
<p>•	Direct Democracy in its more modern form began in 1847, when the Swiss added the &#8220;statute referendum&#8221; to their national constitution. And in 1891, when they added the &#8220;constitutional amendment initiative&#8221;.</p>
<p>What other components of “Direct Democracy” are available to voters?</p>
<p>o	Direct Democracy may include Constitutional amendment initiative, the most powerful citizen-initiated, direct democracy governance component. </p>
<p>o	It is a constitutionally-defined petition process of &#8220;proposed constitutional law,&#8221; which, if successful, results in its provisions being written directly into the state&#8217;s constitution. </p>
<p>o	Since constitutional law cannot be altered by state legislatures, this direct democracy component gives the people an automatic superiority and sovereignty, over representative government. This method of Direct Democracy is currently used in 18 US states.</p>
<p>o	Direct Democracy may include Statute law initiative, a constitutionally-defined, citizen-initiated, petition process of &#8220;proposed statute law,&#8221; which, if successful, results in law being written directly into the state&#8217;s statutes. </p>
<p>o	This method of Direct Democracy is used in 21 US states.</p>
<p>o	Direct Democracy may include Statute law referendum, a constitutionally-defined, citizen-initiated, petition process of the &#8220;proposed veto of all or part of a legislature-made law,&#8221; which, if successful, repeals the standing law. </p>
<p>o	This method of Direct Democracy is used in 24 US states.</p>
<p>Why should I as a voter consider voting for “Direct Democracy”?</p>
<p>•	Improved representation at a local level.<br />
•	Reduced potential for conflicts of interest.<br />
•	Reduced potential for political corruption.<br />
•	Issues decided on own merits, not &#8220;special interests“.<br />
•	More rapid Government transition.<br />
•	Reduced influence of major political party donors.<br />
•	Reduced patronage and nepotism by elected officials.<br />
•	Greater political transparency.<br />
•	Efficient and voter-sanctioned decision making process.<br />
•	Increased Representative accountability via Voter Recall option.</p>
<p>What do the critics of “Direct Democracy” say about such a system of Government?</p>
<p>1/  “Direct Democracy won’t work with a large population like New Zealand (4 million people)”.</p>
<p>A: Developments in technology such as the internet, user-friendly secure software, and personal computers can now implement large scale applications of Direct Democracy. Switzerland has 7.3 million citizens, and the USA has 300 million citizens – Direct Democracy is working well for both countries.</p>
<p>2/  “Voters will get tired of voting on issues by Referendum”.</p>
<p>A: With the advent of the Internet and cell-phones, e-democracy is a now a potent and efficient tool now regularly used by New Zealanders to practically and efficiently cast their vote on an issue. </p>
<p>  Common examples of e-democracy now include:<br />
•	On-line opinion polls.<br />
•	Text voting.<br />
•	Phone polls.<br />
•	Formal surveys (e.g.: Colmar Brunton, TNS, Gallup)</p>
<p>3/ “Direct Democracy is simply imposing the tyranny of the majority onto the minority”.</p>
<p>A: There is absolutely no historical evidence to prove this has ever happened. Binding Citizens Initiated Referendums (BCIR) is a definite safeguard against a demagogue gaining power, and such protection is enforced via a formal written Constitution.</p>
<p>There have been a number of demagogues in countries dominated by party politics, but none in Switzerland, which has operated BCIR for over 130 years without incident. Conversely, the “tyranny of the minority” has exerted significant disproportionate power in New Zealand over recent years.<br />
4/ “The voters are too stupid to understand the complexities of the issues at hand, to then have any credibility voting one way or the other on them &#8211; expertise on specific Government portfolios is important to ensure good Governance”.</p>
<p>A: But voters are still seemingly smart enough to vote in these same critics to represent them under a Representative Democracy? Currently, New Zealand has an unregistered vet as Minister of Health (Pete Hodgeson) an unregistered dental nurse as Minister of Police (Annette King), an ex- history teacher as Minister of Finance (Michael Cullen), and an ex-University lecturer as Prime Minister (Helen Clark). Direct Democracy offers the electorate “informed consent” on issues of the day, by ensuring the electorate is fully informed about the issues of the day, as opposed to assuming that members of the public are “too stupid” to think for themselves and then to decide on issues.</p>
<p>5/  “New Zealand voters under a system of Direct Democracy will only want to look after their own interests, rather than considering the needs and values of a society as a whole.” </p>
<p>A: This criticism may be equally made of a Representative Democracy; however it assumes a view of New Zealanders that is not in keeping with how most New Zealanders operate in everyday life. New Zealanders are renowned for “looking after their neighbour”; “lending a hand”; or “helping out a mate”. We are famous for “banding together for a common cause”, even if their may not be any direct benefit to us at the time. This criticism ignores the reality of the New Zealand psyche.</p>
<p>For more information, purchase a copy of “People Power: How to make the Government listen to you, for a change” by Steve Baron &amp; Jonathan Eisen.</p>
<p>Publisher: The Full Court Press, PO Box 44-128, Pt Chevalier, Auckland. ISBN No: 0-9583681-4-7</p>
<p>Direct Democracy Party of New Zealand: <a href="http://www.ddp.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.ddp.co.nz</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kelvyn Alp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-330303</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelvyn Alp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerry - Is that the best you have got? By all means please produce the evidence to contradict anything I have personally stated (without refering to media spin and sensationalism). You may hold any belief system you wish, it is of no consequence to what I am trying to do nor the efforts to do them.

But I thank you for your input regardless.  It is said that you can judge a man by his enemies. I see the strength of those enemies increases as their position of self-preservation and self-interest become increasingly threatened with public knowledge - nothing like trying to shoot the messenger when you have nothing to counteract the message is there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerry &#8211; Is that the best you have got? By all means please produce the evidence to contradict anything I have personally stated (without refering to media spin and sensationalism). You may hold any belief system you wish, it is of no consequence to what I am trying to do nor the efforts to do them.</p>
<p>But I thank you for your input regardless.  It is said that you can judge a man by his enemies. I see the strength of those enemies increases as their position of self-preservation and self-interest become increasingly threatened with public knowledge &#8211; nothing like trying to shoot the messenger when you have nothing to counteract the message is there?</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-330277</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christ Kelvyn, A good chunk of the army could claim they were trained by SAS members. One of the corporals I had for basic was ex-SAS and during my 18 months or so in the terries I had at least one other part of my training run by an ex-ranger.

Nah, you have fostered that ex-SAS and merc myths through the media to give you more credibility</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christ Kelvyn, A good chunk of the army could claim they were trained by SAS members. One of the corporals I had for basic was ex-SAS and during my 18 months or so in the terries I had at least one other part of my training run by an ex-ranger.</p>
<p>Nah, you have fostered that ex-SAS and merc myths through the media to give you more credibility</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-329559</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Mayoral site but what about the provinces.In HB try  hawkesbayelection07.blog.nz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Mayoral site but what about the provinces.In HB try  hawkesbayelection07.blog.nz</p>
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		<title>By: Kelvyn Alp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-329114</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelvyn Alp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tom H&lt;br /&gt;
David Farrar&lt;br /&gt;
DDD and others;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After consideration of the points you have all raised as to the &#039;endorsement&quot; issue of Kyle Chapman in his Mayoral bid, I have taken those concerns on board and as a result I contacted to Kyle earlier this afternoon to voice those concerns.  I do see how that impression can be concluded despite my intention.  Hence, a change will be made on his website in the very near future.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I thank you for bringing this to my attention and expressing your concerns. Appreciated.&lt;/p&gt;

[DPF: Well done for listening to concerns and criticism and acting on them]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom H<br />
David Farrar<br />
DDD and others;</p>
<p>After consideration of the points you have all raised as to the &#8216;endorsement&#8221; issue of Kyle Chapman in his Mayoral bid, I have taken those concerns on board and as a result I contacted to Kyle earlier this afternoon to voice those concerns.  I do see how that impression can be concluded despite my intention.  Hence, a change will be made on his website in the very near future.  </p>
<p>I thank you for bringing this to my attention and expressing your concerns. Appreciated.</p>
<p>[DPF: Well done for listening to concerns and criticism and acting on them]</p>
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		<title>By: phil u</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-329036</link>
		<dc:creator>phil u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who wants to talk to feckin&#039; nazi-supporters..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

(heh-heh..!..the security code for this comment was &#039;evel&#039;..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who wants to talk to feckin&#8217; nazi-supporters..?</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
<p>(heh-heh..!..the security code for this comment was &#8216;evel&#8217;..)</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah McLeod</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-328969</link>
		<dc:creator>Hannah McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Taylor

You&#039;re absolutely right: there doesn&#039;t appear to be many people here who are interested in debating issues; they only seem to nitpick around the edges of character assassination.  Pretty small-minded really.  It doesn&#039;t take much intelligence to do that.  I had hoped this blog might attract people with more political and intellectual competence.  Ah well.  One can still hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Taylor</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right: there doesn&#8217;t appear to be many people here who are interested in debating issues; they only seem to nitpick around the edges of character assassination.  Pretty small-minded really.  It doesn&#8217;t take much intelligence to do that.  I had hoped this blog might attract people with more political and intellectual competence.  Ah well.  One can still hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Porcupine</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-328927</link>
		<dc:creator>Porcupine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manakau off its leash - now there&#039;s a scary thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manakau off its leash &#8211; now there&#8217;s a scary thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-328897</link>
		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check out www.johnbanks.co.nz

good stuff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check out <a href="http://www.johnbanks.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnbanks.co.nz</a></p>
<p>good stuff</p>
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		<title>By: Berend de Boer</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-328867</link>
		<dc:creator>Berend de Boer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manukau: &lt;a href=&quot;http://peopleschoice.org.nz/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dick Quax and Peoples Choice&lt;/a&gt;. Dick doesn&#039;t have his own website as he is not running as just himself, but as part of a team. A mayor won&#039;t make a difference to Manukau as you need a majority in the council. That is what Peoples Choice is about: a team running to unleash Manukau.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manukau: <a href="http://peopleschoice.org.nz/" rel="nofollow">Dick Quax and Peoples Choice</a>. Dick doesn&#8217;t have his own website as he is not running as just himself, but as part of a team. A mayor won&#8217;t make a difference to Manukau as you need a majority in the council. That is what Peoples Choice is about: a team running to unleash Manukau.</p>
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		<title>By: David99</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-328838</link>
		<dc:creator>David99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Crow once offered me a lucrative contract to do his (adult) web sites for him, having taken wy own adult site to no 1 at the time.  I told him I&#039;d &quot;think about it&quot; (ie: &quot;no&quot;).  As a result, I am not surprised his political web site is equally devoid of any productive content.  Go Steve - there is more to life than money and selling Porn baby.  He he.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Crow once offered me a lucrative contract to do his (adult) web sites for him, having taken wy own adult site to no 1 at the time.  I told him I&#8217;d &#8220;think about it&#8221; (ie: &#8220;no&#8221;).  As a result, I am not surprised his political web site is equally devoid of any productive content.  Go Steve &#8211; there is more to life than money and selling Porn baby.  He he.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelvyn Alp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-328833</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelvyn Alp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DDD

Yes I did know of Kyle Chapmans past.  At the time I asked him if he had changed his views and was willing to do the yards to prove that the past was behind him.  He said he was.  I also asked him if there was anything he was at the time involved in (at that time) that could bring the party into question, he said he was not.  

What he was involved in prior to DDP, or what he may have became involved in after he ceased to be actively engaged with DDP is of no consequence to the party as each person decides their own future actions and will undoubtedly be judged by them.

No it is not true that we belong to a militia as you describe.  I can guarantee as fact that I do not, have not and will not belong to any militia to which Kyle Chapman belongs. You may be refereing to his &quot;Phantom Recon Unit&quot; or something similar, correct? That I believe he became involved in and possibly started after he left active participation in DDP.

David Farrar:

I think you are missing the point I have been making; I am unaware of any convicted rapist standing for the mayoralty of any City in New Zealand, but I am certainly open to be corrected on that point. It would go against my own moral ethics to support such a candidate, however, I fully support any person that is willing to be publically scrutinised when running for public office.  I doubt very much that such a person as you describe would in fact seek such a profile and open themselves up to such personal attacks.  

Hell if what is coming my way is anything to go by, even though most is based purely on assumption, I think the odds of a convicted rapist seeking my endorsement are nil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DDD</p>
<p>Yes I did know of Kyle Chapmans past.  At the time I asked him if he had changed his views and was willing to do the yards to prove that the past was behind him.  He said he was.  I also asked him if there was anything he was at the time involved in (at that time) that could bring the party into question, he said he was not.  </p>
<p>What he was involved in prior to DDP, or what he may have became involved in after he ceased to be actively engaged with DDP is of no consequence to the party as each person decides their own future actions and will undoubtedly be judged by them.</p>
<p>No it is not true that we belong to a militia as you describe.  I can guarantee as fact that I do not, have not and will not belong to any militia to which Kyle Chapman belongs. You may be refereing to his &#8220;Phantom Recon Unit&#8221; or something similar, correct? That I believe he became involved in and possibly started after he left active participation in DDP.</p>
<p>David Farrar:</p>
<p>I think you are missing the point I have been making; I am unaware of any convicted rapist standing for the mayoralty of any City in New Zealand, but I am certainly open to be corrected on that point. It would go against my own moral ethics to support such a candidate, however, I fully support any person that is willing to be publically scrutinised when running for public office.  I doubt very much that such a person as you describe would in fact seek such a profile and open themselves up to such personal attacks.  </p>
<p>Hell if what is coming my way is anything to go by, even though most is based purely on assumption, I think the odds of a convicted rapist seeking my endorsement are nil.</p>
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		<title>By: Dead Duck Dux</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-328822</link>
		<dc:creator>Dead Duck Dux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelvyn

Surely you must have known Kyle&#039;s past when you allowed him to stand on your ticket?

Is it true you and Kyle belong to a &quot;militia&quot; get up in military garb and shoot guns together on a weekend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelvyn</p>
<p>Surely you must have known Kyle&#8217;s past when you allowed him to stand on your ticket?</p>
<p>Is it true you and Kyle belong to a &#8220;militia&#8221; get up in military garb and shoot guns together on a weekend?</p>
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		<title>By: David Farrar</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-328821</link>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Alp, I think you are being disingenuous.  If a party is willing to endorse absolutely anyone who asks to be endorsed, then an endorsement is worthless and not worth doing.

The vast majority of the public take an endorsement as a positive expression of support for a candidate and their policies.

But just to make sure there is no misunderstanding, is it your assertion that if say a convicted rapist stood for Council, you would endorse him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Alp, I think you are being disingenuous.  If a party is willing to endorse absolutely anyone who asks to be endorsed, then an endorsement is worthless and not worth doing.</p>
<p>The vast majority of the public take an endorsement as a positive expression of support for a candidate and their policies.</p>
<p>But just to make sure there is no misunderstanding, is it your assertion that if say a convicted rapist stood for Council, you would endorse him?</p>
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		<title>By: Kelvyn Alp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-328820</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelvyn Alp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom:

Can you tell me how old those photo&#039;s are please?  I am interested in finding out.  Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom:</p>
<p>Can you tell me how old those photo&#8217;s are please?  I am interested in finding out.  Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Tom H</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-328818</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case you aren&#039;t aware of who you have endorsed Mr Alp, here is DDP party member Kyle with some National Front buddies (and yes, one is wearing a nazi armband and that is the nazi salute). Lovely.

http://www.fightdemback.com/files/images/_KCnazifuckers.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case you aren&#8217;t aware of who you have endorsed Mr Alp, here is DDP party member Kyle with some National Front buddies (and yes, one is wearing a nazi armband and that is the nazi salute). Lovely.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fightdemback.com/files/images/_KCnazifuckers.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.fightdemback.com/files/images/_KCnazifuckers.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kelvyn Alp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-328817</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelvyn Alp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom H Says: 
August 12th, 2007 at 10:41 pm 

&quot;So if a Nazi wanted your endorsement, you would give it to them too?
You need to realise Mr Alp, that an endorsement is an indication of support for the candidate. If you were to endorse such a candidate, you would be doing the direct democracy cause a great disservice&quot;.

I think you should look at Kyle Chapmans website again Tom, you will find that the &quot;CAMPAIGN&quot; is also endorsed by DDP.  So to sum up, I will reiterate that I will support any campaign where anyone is willing to place themselves in the public eye and seek to enter public service.

You may be thinking that is a play on words, but to the contrary, if you are runnign for Mayor, Councillor or Community Board Membership, i will also endorse your efforts.  You see ultimately the people will decide and it is not for me, or any other to tell you how you should vote, or what ideology you should subscribe too. I believe in &quot;Freedom of Choice&quot; and people are free to decide for themselves, and if they are not free to do that, then there is something very wrong indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom H Says:<br />
August 12th, 2007 at 10:41 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;So if a Nazi wanted your endorsement, you would give it to them too?<br />
You need to realise Mr Alp, that an endorsement is an indication of support for the candidate. If you were to endorse such a candidate, you would be doing the direct democracy cause a great disservice&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think you should look at Kyle Chapmans website again Tom, you will find that the &#8220;CAMPAIGN&#8221; is also endorsed by DDP.  So to sum up, I will reiterate that I will support any campaign where anyone is willing to place themselves in the public eye and seek to enter public service.</p>
<p>You may be thinking that is a play on words, but to the contrary, if you are runnign for Mayor, Councillor or Community Board Membership, i will also endorse your efforts.  You see ultimately the people will decide and it is not for me, or any other to tell you how you should vote, or what ideology you should subscribe too. I believe in &#8220;Freedom of Choice&#8221; and people are free to decide for themselves, and if they are not free to do that, then there is something very wrong indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Taylor - Deputy Leader, Direct Democracy Party of New Zealand</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-328815</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Taylor - Deputy Leader, Direct Democracy Party of New Zealand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sitting here wondering why no-one is wanting to discuss the Direct Democracy platforms of BCIR, a written Constitution, and Representative Recall with Kelvyn or myself, instead of doing exactly what the current politicians do, which is to practice attempted and misguided character assassination, thereby steering debate and scrutiny away from policy and solutions. Classic bait and switch.

I look forward to meeting the politician (or one in waiting) who meets with universal consensus and approval - in the meantime, in absence of any evidence to date that the character assasinations against Kelvyn hold any water - can we stay on topic please?

Steve Taylor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sitting here wondering why no-one is wanting to discuss the Direct Democracy platforms of BCIR, a written Constitution, and Representative Recall with Kelvyn or myself, instead of doing exactly what the current politicians do, which is to practice attempted and misguided character assassination, thereby steering debate and scrutiny away from policy and solutions. Classic bait and switch.</p>
<p>I look forward to meeting the politician (or one in waiting) who meets with universal consensus and approval &#8211; in the meantime, in absence of any evidence to date that the character assasinations against Kelvyn hold any water &#8211; can we stay on topic please?</p>
<p>Steve Taylor</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/mayoral_websites.html#comment-328811</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sappers report all ducks and duxs are blown to dead smithereens . 
Over and out , Cave shut down .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sappers report all ducks and duxs are blown to dead smithereens .<br />
Over and out , Cave shut down .</p>
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