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		<title>By: Lee C</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333978</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely&#039; is the old saying.  It&#039;s gone way beyond which part of the political spectrum one inhabits.  If any party was doing what the the present Labour Government is doing, I susupect the responses would be the same from most reasonable people.  Their actions are turning Laila Harre into an advocate for John Key! Says it all doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely&#8217; is the old saying.  It&#8217;s gone way beyond which part of the political spectrum one inhabits.  If any party was doing what the the present Labour Government is doing, I susupect the responses would be the same from most reasonable people.  Their actions are turning Laila Harre into an advocate for John Key! Says it all doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Addie</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333954</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay Addie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even lefty Laila Harre talking with Kathryn Ryan and Mathew Hooton this morning was very critical of Labour&#039;s tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even lefty Laila Harre talking with Kathryn Ryan and Mathew Hooton this morning was very critical of Labour&#8217;s tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333953</link>
		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in March 2006, when the David Parker issue was live, the prime minister said: &quot;I suggest that the Leader of the Opposition take advice about what “prima facie” actually means. It does not mean that there is evidence that would stand up in court.&quot;

Today, the prime minister says that. &quot;prima facie&quot; there is something to the allegations about John Key&#039;s housing arrangements that he should be required to answer - so the press gallery should take them seriously.

So which is it, prime minister?  Or are you just a pathological liar who will say anything on the day?

And, also, she has tried to make something of the links between the sacking of Philida Bunkle and John Key&#039;s situation.  She forgets to mention that Bunkle was fired FOR STEALING MONEY THROUGH FALSE DECLARATIONS FOR HIGHER ALLOWANCES.

Again, Clark will know this - she sacked her after all.  She will just be lying to make a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in March 2006, when the David Parker issue was live, the prime minister said: &#8220;I suggest that the Leader of the Opposition take advice about what “prima facie” actually means. It does not mean that there is evidence that would stand up in court.&#8221;</p>
<p>Today, the prime minister says that. &#8220;prima facie&#8221; there is something to the allegations about John Key&#8217;s housing arrangements that he should be required to answer &#8211; so the press gallery should take them seriously.</p>
<p>So which is it, prime minister?  Or are you just a pathological liar who will say anything on the day?</p>
<p>And, also, she has tried to make something of the links between the sacking of Philida Bunkle and John Key&#8217;s situation.  She forgets to mention that Bunkle was fired FOR STEALING MONEY THROUGH FALSE DECLARATIONS FOR HIGHER ALLOWANCES.</p>
<p>Again, Clark will know this &#8211; she sacked her after all.  She will just be lying to make a point.</p>
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		<title>By: slightlyrighty</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333947</link>
		<dc:creator>slightlyrighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and over 50% on voters know it, based on recent polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and over 50% on voters know it, based on recent polls.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Addie</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333944</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay Addie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labour&#039;s &#039;spin&#039; today re Key has been nothing but a pack of lies.............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labour&#8217;s &#8216;spin&#8217; today re Key has been nothing but a pack of lies&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333936</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or whenever asked about whether she has confidence in a particular Minister, the standard &quot;I&#039;m bored of this shit from you&quot; reply of &quot;Yeeeeesss, because (s)he is a hard-working and conscientious Minister&quot;. She even said that about Benson-Pope no less than three days before she asked for his balls on a platter&quot;

&quot;Tuesday, 24 July 2007
Questions for Oral Answer
Questions to Ministers
Environment, Minister—Confidence

2. JOHN KEY (Leader of the Opposition) to the Prime Minister: Does she have confidence in the Minister for the Environment; if so, why?
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister): Yes; because he is a hard-working and conscientious Minister.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or whenever asked about whether she has confidence in a particular Minister, the standard &#8220;I&#8217;m bored of this shit from you&#8221; reply of &#8220;Yeeeeesss, because (s)he is a hard-working and conscientious Minister&#8221;. She even said that about Benson-Pope no less than three days before she asked for his balls on a platter&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Tuesday, 24 July 2007<br />
Questions for Oral Answer<br />
Questions to Ministers<br />
Environment, Minister—Confidence</p>
<p>2. JOHN KEY (Leader of the Opposition) to the Prime Minister: Does she have confidence in the Minister for the Environment; if so, why?<br />
Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister): Yes; because he is a hard-working and conscientious Minister.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Right of way is Way of Right</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333910</link>
		<dc:creator>Right of way is Way of Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost as unbeleivable as 

&quot;I didn&#039;t know how fat we were going, I was doing paperwork&quot;

&quot;Signing the painting doesn&#039;t mean I painted it!&quot;

&quot;It is the convention in this house that we accept a minister at his word!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost as unbeleivable as </p>
<p>&#8220;I didn&#8217;t know how fat we were going, I was doing paperwork&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Signing the painting doesn&#8217;t mean I painted it!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It is the convention in this house that we accept a minister at his word!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Farrar</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333904</link>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes amazing how Clark can deny knowledge when she almost sits next to Mallard in the House and when her own chief press secretary is pushing the stuff around the gallery.  Is she really saying she does not know what her chief press secretary is doing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes amazing how Clark can deny knowledge when she almost sits next to Mallard in the House and when her own chief press secretary is pushing the stuff around the gallery.  Is she really saying she does not know what her chief press secretary is doing?</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333897</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark&#039;s blatant lies on TV (and to Holmes this morning) are a disgrace.  Her poodles do not do anything without her specific approval.

At present I am just happy to put the champagne on ice pending the imploding of this desperate and angry bunch of worn out socialists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark&#8217;s blatant lies on TV (and to Holmes this morning) are a disgrace.  Her poodles do not do anything without her specific approval.</p>
<p>At present I am just happy to put the champagne on ice pending the imploding of this desperate and angry bunch of worn out socialists.</p>
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		<title>By: Fletch</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333872</link>
		<dc:creator>Fletch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark was on Breakfast this morning denying, denying, denying when Paul Henry asked her about Key. She claimed she didn&#039;t know anything about any planned attacks and that she can&#039;t be held responsible for any stories the media print. She also denied that the story in Truth was a Labour plant.

Helen, I think you&#039;ve gone past the point now where anyone believes a single thing you say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark was on Breakfast this morning denying, denying, denying when Paul Henry asked her about Key. She claimed she didn&#8217;t know anything about any planned attacks and that she can&#8217;t be held responsible for any stories the media print. She also denied that the story in Truth was a Labour plant.</p>
<p>Helen, I think you&#8217;ve gone past the point now where anyone believes a single thing you say.</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333870</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CraigM said &quot;Given her desperate need to stay in the public eye, she would never walk away from them, so FFS, someone grow a pair.&quot;

Craig, the worm does seem to be stirring, if not quite turning yet. Dear Leader won&#039;t be at all happy that there have been several features, opinion pieces and editorials having a crack at her and her colleagues over the last week. I&#039;m sure she won&#039;t have enjoyed Nicky Hagar telly Mikey Havoc that the EFB was like something you&#039;d expect from the Nazis, , and she defintely won&#039;t be inviting John Armstrong, Audrey Young and Fran O&#039;Sullivan to her Christmas drinkies. Give it a couple more bad polls for Labour, and the radio &amp; TV guys will realise that the love affair with Labour is over - then it could get VERY interesting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CraigM said &#8220;Given her desperate need to stay in the public eye, she would never walk away from them, so FFS, someone grow a pair.&#8221;</p>
<p>Craig, the worm does seem to be stirring, if not quite turning yet. Dear Leader won&#8217;t be at all happy that there have been several features, opinion pieces and editorials having a crack at her and her colleagues over the last week. I&#8217;m sure she won&#8217;t have enjoyed Nicky Hagar telly Mikey Havoc that the EFB was like something you&#8217;d expect from the Nazis, , and she defintely won&#8217;t be inviting John Armstrong, Audrey Young and Fran O&#8217;Sullivan to her Christmas drinkies. Give it a couple more bad polls for Labour, and the radio &amp; TV guys will realise that the love affair with Labour is over &#8211; then it could get VERY interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: CraigM</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inventory2 ; Don&#039;t know about you, but I think she should resign :-)

Pascal, thank you for taking my earlier post the way it was intended. I knew someone would cry foul over it, but I notice there was no actual arguement about it&#039;s accuracy.

What is it about the PM that makes reporters/radio hosts shake in their boots? She would be the easiest target in the country to tackle on honesty &amp; hypocrisy issues. 

Are RNZ concerned that she will boycott them if someone challenges her? Let her. That would be a major headline story. 

Given her desperate need to stay in the public eye, she would never walk away from them, so FFS, someone grow a pair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inventory2 ; Don&#8217;t know about you, but I think she should resign <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Pascal, thank you for taking my earlier post the way it was intended. I knew someone would cry foul over it, but I notice there was no actual arguement about it&#8217;s accuracy.</p>
<p>What is it about the PM that makes reporters/radio hosts shake in their boots? She would be the easiest target in the country to tackle on honesty &amp; hypocrisy issues. </p>
<p>Are RNZ concerned that she will boycott them if someone challenges her? Let her. That would be a major headline story. </p>
<p>Given her desperate need to stay in the public eye, she would never walk away from them, so FFS, someone grow a pair.</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333849</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s two options here:

1) Clark doesn&#039;t know about the smear attacks against John Key - if that is the case, she has become a useless and incompetent Leader, and has no control over her Cabinet &amp; Caucus. She should resign forthwith. 
   
2) Clark does know about the smear attacks against John Key - if that is the case, she is not only an arrogant bully, a fool, and a very frightened, paranoid leader, but also a blatant liar. She should resign forthwith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s two options here:</p>
<p>1) Clark doesn&#8217;t know about the smear attacks against John Key &#8211; if that is the case, she has become a useless and incompetent Leader, and has no control over her Cabinet &amp; Caucus. She should resign forthwith. </p>
<p>2) Clark does know about the smear attacks against John Key &#8211; if that is the case, she is not only an arrogant bully, a fool, and a very frightened, paranoid leader, but also a blatant liar. She should resign forthwith.</p>
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		<title>By: krazykiwi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333847</link>
		<dc:creator>krazykiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m with bwakile here. we need to be ready to respond to that threat which is every bit as insideous, if a bit more subtle, than the EFB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m with bwakile here. we need to be ready to respond to that threat which is every bit as insideous, if a bit more subtle, than the EFB</p>
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		<title>By: bwakile</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333840</link>
		<dc:creator>bwakile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only smoke being blown is by Labour to promote this bill and then suddenly tell us  that state funding of parties will be a much better solution and nzers will suck it up as being the lesser of two evils</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only smoke being blown is by Labour to promote this bill and then suddenly tell us  that state funding of parties will be a much better solution and nzers will suck it up as being the lesser of two evils</p>
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		<title>By: slightlyrighty</title>
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		<dc:creator>slightlyrighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Hodgson is the Official Labour Strategist?  This could be one reason for the surge in National support in the recent poll.

Sorry, I&#039;m being unkind.   But it would seem that the recent rantings by this government show they are too concerned about continuing to govern to actually govern, which at the end of the day is what we expect from them.

 The crisis within our health system is only exacerbated in the eyes of the voting public when the publically elected official charged with fixing it seems more concerned with self preservation than the welfare of those disadvantaged by this crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Hodgson is the Official Labour Strategist?  This could be one reason for the surge in National support in the recent poll.</p>
<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m being unkind.   But it would seem that the recent rantings by this government show they are too concerned about continuing to govern to actually govern, which at the end of the day is what we expect from them.</p>
<p> The crisis within our health system is only exacerbated in the eyes of the voting public when the publically elected official charged with fixing it seems more concerned with self preservation than the welfare of those disadvantaged by this crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: CharlotteM</title>
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		<dc:creator>CharlotteM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen will keep attacking in this desperate fashion as long as she sees her job under threat.  She knows that when the percentage in support falls into the 20&#039;s that those rallying around Goff will be even more eager to move on her ahead of the election.  Unless they do something pretty radical Labour is facing a minimum of two and probably three terms in opposition, and many in the caucus are facing unemployment post 15 November 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen will keep attacking in this desperate fashion as long as she sees her job under threat.  She knows that when the percentage in support falls into the 20&#8242;s that those rallying around Goff will be even more eager to move on her ahead of the election.  Unless they do something pretty radical Labour is facing a minimum of two and probably three terms in opposition, and many in the caucus are facing unemployment post 15 November 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cha, it is only a narrow viewpoint that will read the negative in such a comment. People with a more expansive view will see that is a comment directed at truth, informing people of their choices and the platform for a policy that focuses on raising people out of the state of poverty and state dependance that Labour has been pushing them into for the last nine years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cha, it is only a narrow viewpoint that will read the negative in such a comment. People with a more expansive view will see that is a comment directed at truth, informing people of their choices and the platform for a policy that focuses on raising people out of the state of poverty and state dependance that Labour has been pushing them into for the last nine years.</p>
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		<title>By: cha</title>
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		<dc:creator>cha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CraigM Says: 

&quot;To be brutally honest, Labours largest support base resides amongst our poorest, least educated and most government dependant members of society. They will believe whatever “labour” says, because Labour is the poor peoples party and National supports the enemy, being big business.

National need to reach these poor deluded souls, least they be blind forever.&quot; 

Born to rule, eh, CraigM. And you wonder why national has been sitting on the wrong side of the house for the past nine years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CraigM Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;To be brutally honest, Labours largest support base resides amongst our poorest, least educated and most government dependant members of society. They will believe whatever “labour” says, because Labour is the poor peoples party and National supports the enemy, being big business.</p>
<p>National need to reach these poor deluded souls, least they be blind forever.&#8221; </p>
<p>Born to rule, eh, CraigM. And you wonder why national has been sitting on the wrong side of the house for the past nine years.</p>
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		<title>By: virginblogger</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/08/the_press_on_labour-2.html#comment-333823</link>
		<dc:creator>virginblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agreed that labour rely on the poor getting poorer  and becoming reliant on nanny state. I can&#039;t help thinking though that most benefiaries can&#039;t be bothered getting off their arse to vote</description>
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