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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/divorced_already.html#comment-343155</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;  David Farrar Says:
September 20th, 2007 at 11:38 am

I have never proclaimed myself to be an atheist. And I don’t have disdain for Christianity - I just have a disdain for some of the churches within it.
&lt;/i&gt;

And these would all just happen to be conservative churches, would they? Do you stand for the liberal wing of the National Party? How does that fit with Bill English, a conservative Catholic, as the deputy leader, not to mention National&#039;s more longstanding support in the churches?

You see, there&#039;s just a little problem here for National. Any resurgence of a Christian party on the right would take votes off National. Supposing a party did get going that managed to get say 4% in an election. They would lose, of course, but they might just damage National enough that Labour could still steal a fourth win. Copeland and Co do have a lot of support in the evangelical churches on the back of the Child Discipline Bill campaign that National so foolishly dissed so quickly. Perhaps Key was not actually that clever at all doing the deal with Clark on that one. 

Just as the left wing of Labour is busy swallowing swords in their efforts to get the party re-elected through the Electoral Finance Bill, the liberal wing of National has gone to great lengths to drag National leftward, ignoring that Brash on a more rightist platform almost won the 2005 election. It would not hurt National at all at this time to keep more on that right-wing track. Just as in Labour there will be an over-correction to the right if Clark loses next year, National will do the same if their liberals drag them too far left to the point of losing in a future campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>  David Farrar Says:<br />
September 20th, 2007 at 11:38 am</p>
<p>I have never proclaimed myself to be an atheist. And I don’t have disdain for Christianity &#8211; I just have a disdain for some of the churches within it.<br />
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<p>And these would all just happen to be conservative churches, would they? Do you stand for the liberal wing of the National Party? How does that fit with Bill English, a conservative Catholic, as the deputy leader, not to mention National&#8217;s more longstanding support in the churches?</p>
<p>You see, there&#8217;s just a little problem here for National. Any resurgence of a Christian party on the right would take votes off National. Supposing a party did get going that managed to get say 4% in an election. They would lose, of course, but they might just damage National enough that Labour could still steal a fourth win. Copeland and Co do have a lot of support in the evangelical churches on the back of the Child Discipline Bill campaign that National so foolishly dissed so quickly. Perhaps Key was not actually that clever at all doing the deal with Clark on that one. </p>
<p>Just as the left wing of Labour is busy swallowing swords in their efforts to get the party re-elected through the Electoral Finance Bill, the liberal wing of National has gone to great lengths to drag National leftward, ignoring that Brash on a more rightist platform almost won the 2005 election. It would not hurt National at all at this time to keep more on that right-wing track. Just as in Labour there will be an over-correction to the right if Clark loses next year, National will do the same if their liberals drag them too far left to the point of losing in a future campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/divorced_already.html#comment-342282</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Halucinating again Ratbiter? so sad in one so young.&quot;

Wow, real sharp....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Halucinating again Ratbiter? so sad in one so young.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, real sharp&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: sonic</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/divorced_already.html#comment-342280</link>
		<dc:creator>sonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Halucinating again Ratbiter? so sad in one so young.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halucinating again Ratbiter? so sad in one so young.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/divorced_already.html#comment-342266</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think you must be getting me mixed up with the voices in your head ratbiter/&quot;

Sonic, here&#039;s some news- other people don&#039;t hear voices, and you definitley implied you talked to rabbits. Look, I fully understand. Nothing you say makes any sense to humans (rational ones that is) anyway, so its understandable you&#039;d enjoy talking to little soft furry things.  The big question of course is- do the rabbits talk back??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think you must be getting me mixed up with the voices in your head ratbiter/&#8221;</p>
<p>Sonic, here&#8217;s some news- other people don&#8217;t hear voices, and you definitley implied you talked to rabbits. Look, I fully understand. Nothing you say makes any sense to humans (rational ones that is) anyway, so its understandable you&#8217;d enjoy talking to little soft furry things.  The big question of course is- do the rabbits talk back??</p>
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		<title>By: sonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Didn’t you say the other day you talked to them?&quot;

I think you must be getting me mixed up with the voices in your head ratbiter/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Didn’t you say the other day you talked to them?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you must be getting me mixed up with the voices in your head ratbiter/</p>
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		<title>By: Falafulu Fisi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/divorced_already.html#comment-342153</link>
		<dc:creator>Falafulu Fisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DPF said...
&lt;i&gt;I have never proclaimed myself to be an atheist.&lt;/i&gt;

There is nothing wrong with being atheist David. I don&#039;t know of any other islander who is atheist apart from me, but people who have met me told me that I am the first polynesian person who is an atheist they have encountered.  I have been casted out by the island community, even my own brothers &amp; sisters for not following the norm, ie, being christian. I reject God based on my understanding of Physics, which is a subject that I did study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF said&#8230;<br />
<i>I have never proclaimed myself to be an atheist.</i></p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with being atheist David. I don&#8217;t know of any other islander who is atheist apart from me, but people who have met me told me that I am the first polynesian person who is an atheist they have encountered.  I have been casted out by the island community, even my own brothers &amp; sisters for not following the norm, ie, being christian. I reject God based on my understanding of Physics, which is a subject that I did study.</p>
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		<title>By: bwakile</title>
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		<dc:creator>bwakile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kk yes you are right as bright young people in ths world have every opportunity to succeed. Maybe if we reduced the number of MPs but paid them more so as to make it more attractive .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kk yes you are right as bright young people in ths world have every opportunity to succeed. Maybe if we reduced the number of MPs but paid them more so as to make it more attractive .</p>
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		<title>By: krazykiwi</title>
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		<dc:creator>krazykiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bwalkile, I comlpetely agree but sadly IMHO politics has a tendency to turn bright young people with vision into dull old parliamentarians with myopia. seems the most self-serving and nasty survive the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bwalkile, I comlpetely agree but sadly IMHO politics has a tendency to turn bright young people with vision into dull old parliamentarians with myopia. seems the most self-serving and nasty survive the best.</p>
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		<title>By: bwakile</title>
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		<dc:creator>bwakile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rex for your support
I think that Christians have a great deal to offer the governence of this country but they need to bright young people work up through the ranks of National and Labour  over a generation, much the same as helen and her cronies slowly hijacked the labour party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rex for your support<br />
I think that Christians have a great deal to offer the governence of this country but they need to bright young people work up through the ranks of National and Labour  over a generation, much the same as helen and her cronies slowly hijacked the labour party.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t even know anyone with a Rabbit Ratbiter, where did you get the rather odd idea I did?&quot;

Didn&#039;t you say the other day you talked to them? It would have to be the usual half baked off topic misconstrued commie crap right?  Poor little bunnies. You should be done for cruelty to animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t even know anyone with a Rabbit Ratbiter, where did you get the rather odd idea I did?&#8221;</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you say the other day you talked to them? It would have to be the usual half baked off topic misconstrued commie crap right?  Poor little bunnies. You should be done for cruelty to animals.</p>
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		<title>By: The Perfect Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Perfect Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps from rabbits those lot mentioned learnt to swallow their own shit?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps from rabbits those lot mentioned learnt to swallow their own shit?!</p>
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		<title>By: sonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t even know anyone with a Rabbit Ratbiter, where did you get the rather odd idea I did?

I know odd ideas are your speciality but I am intrigued to know where Rabbits fit into the worldwide Communist/Hippy/Female/Gay/Islamic plot to take over the world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t even know anyone with a Rabbit Ratbiter, where did you get the rather odd idea I did?</p>
<p>I know odd ideas are your speciality but I am intrigued to know where Rabbits fit into the worldwide Communist/Hippy/Female/Gay/Islamic plot to take over the world?</p>
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		<title>By: llew</title>
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		<dc:creator>llew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;thanks for a coffee-out-the-nostrils moment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No problem. He&#039;s definitely my favourite &quot;politician&quot; at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>thanks for a coffee-out-the-nostrils moment.</p></blockquote>
<p>No problem. He&#8217;s definitely my favourite &#8220;politician&#8221; at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/divorced_already.html#comment-342022</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I’m worried about his rabbit obsession though, I don’t even own a rabbit)

Typical. Someone else&#039;s rabbits. Can&#039;t even supply your own fucken rabbits to practice your fucken dopey socialist monologues on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I’m worried about his rabbit obsession though, I don’t even own a rabbit)</p>
<p>Typical. Someone else&#8217;s rabbits. Can&#8217;t even supply your own fucken rabbits to practice your fucken dopey socialist monologues on.</p>
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		<title>By: sonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont know why Krazy Kiwi, it&#039;s just that whenever I read Ratbiter&#039;s stuff  I always think of a cute, little, kitty Kat.

Don&#039;t you?

(I&#039;m worried about his rabbit obsession though, I don&#039;t even own a rabbit)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont know why Krazy Kiwi, it&#8217;s just that whenever I read Ratbiter&#8217;s stuff  I always think of a cute, little, kitty Kat.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m worried about his rabbit obsession though, I don&#8217;t even own a rabbit)</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/divorced_already.html#comment-342015</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>helmet - I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to tar the ginga community with the rabidbleater brush. I&#039;ve posited that he&#039;s actually Bill O&#039;reilly - i.e. instead of sleeping Bill Oreilly takes P and stays up all night ranting on the internet (this would also explain why rabidbleater is always linking loony far-right American blogs :-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4xiv6EyMsk&amp;mode=related&amp;search=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>helmet &#8211; I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to tar the ginga community with the rabidbleater brush. I&#8217;ve posited that he&#8217;s actually Bill O&#8217;reilly &#8211; i.e. instead of sleeping Bill Oreilly takes P and stays up all night ranting on the internet (this would also explain why rabidbleater is always linking loony far-right American blogs <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4xiv6EyMsk&#038;mode=related&#038;search" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4xiv6EyMsk&#038;mode=related&#038;search</a>=</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/divorced_already.html#comment-342010</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>llew - thanks for a coffee-out-the-nostrils moment.

bwakile commented: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;If Christians really want to have an effective voice they need to support Christian MP’s within the major parties and put this dickhead MMP inspired “we can have our own party” nonsense to bed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;d agree. Isn&#039;t it interesting how we were all sold MMP as this tremendous reform which would bring about a shining new era of accountability and what we got were:

- a bunch of lickspittle List MPs - some of whom are also lazy and/or stupid - accountable only to their respective leaders and rated solely on how well they crawl to party powerbrokers.

- people with &quot;radical&quot; ideas (whether it&#039;s Act&#039;s economics or the Greens&#039; environmentalism or politics according to Christian principles) confined to fringe parties whose only hope of any influence is if the cards accidentally fall in such as way as to hand them the balance of power - and thus &lt;i&gt;too much&lt;/i&gt; influence.

- No real &lt;i&gt;Parliamentary&lt;/i&gt; reform, which was what people were led to believe somehow they were getting along with electoral reform.

I&#039;m thinking of having a bumper sticker made - &quot;Don&#039;t blame me, I promoted STV&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>llew &#8211; thanks for a coffee-out-the-nostrils moment.</p>
<p>bwakile commented: </p>
<blockquote><p>If Christians really want to have an effective voice they need to support Christian MP’s within the major parties and put this dickhead MMP inspired “we can have our own party” nonsense to bed.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d agree. Isn&#8217;t it interesting how we were all sold MMP as this tremendous reform which would bring about a shining new era of accountability and what we got were:</p>
<p>- a bunch of lickspittle List MPs &#8211; some of whom are also lazy and/or stupid &#8211; accountable only to their respective leaders and rated solely on how well they crawl to party powerbrokers.</p>
<p>- people with &#8220;radical&#8221; ideas (whether it&#8217;s Act&#8217;s economics or the Greens&#8217; environmentalism or politics according to Christian principles) confined to fringe parties whose only hope of any influence is if the cards accidentally fall in such as way as to hand them the balance of power &#8211; and thus <i>too much</i> influence.</p>
<p>- No real <i>Parliamentary</i> reform, which was what people were led to believe somehow they were getting along with electoral reform.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking of having a bumper sticker made &#8211; &#8220;Don&#8217;t blame me, I promoted STV&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: helmet</title>
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		<dc:creator>helmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe baiter is a ginga? would explain the &#039;red&#039;, the misery and the uncontrollable rage at almost everything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe baiter is a ginga? would explain the &#8216;red&#8217;, the misery and the uncontrollable rage at almost everything?</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/divorced_already.html#comment-342007</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;sonic, that’s 3 pussies pics in a day. fetish?&quot;

Maybe his rabbits aren&#039;t talking to him..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;sonic, that’s 3 pussies pics in a day. fetish?&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe his rabbits aren&#8217;t talking to him..</p>
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		<title>By: krazykiwi</title>
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		<dc:creator>krazykiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sonic, that&#039;s 3 pussies pics in a day. fetish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sonic, that&#8217;s 3 pussies pics in a day. fetish?</p>
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