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	<title>Comments on: Is calling her &#8220;Pumpkin&#8221; racist?</title>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-342066</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is all BS.

1. This is racism.  Clear racism.   On the movie Keisha, one of the japanese ladies was also called Pumpkin.

2. In China, an Western would be called by the name and not a nickname, it&#039;s atypical expression by Western Media to patronise individuals.

3. A parent calloing daughter Pumpkin is affection.  The media calling an unknowed girl &quot;Pumpkin&quot; is racism.  Specially the Australian and New Zealand Media.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is all BS.</p>
<p>1. This is racism.  Clear racism.   On the movie Keisha, one of the japanese ladies was also called Pumpkin.</p>
<p>2. In China, an Western would be called by the name and not a nickname, it&#8217;s atypical expression by Western Media to patronise individuals.</p>
<p>3. A parent calloing daughter Pumpkin is affection.  The media calling an unknowed girl &#8220;Pumpkin&#8221; is racism.  Specially the Australian and New Zealand Media.</p>
<p>end off.</p>
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		<title>By: davemc</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341886</link>
		<dc:creator>davemc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A similar situation happened with the death of Hinewaoriki Karaitiana-Matiaha. The media used her family nickname - Lillybing - rather than her given name.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes but Lillybing was her &lt;i&gt;family&lt;/i&gt; nickname. My objection to Qian Xun being called Pumpkin is that it is not any family nickname or a name by which she has ever been known. It is a media adoption and I find it dehumanising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A similar situation happened with the death of Hinewaoriki Karaitiana-Matiaha. The media used her family nickname &#8211; Lillybing &#8211; rather than her given name.</i></p>
<p>Yes but Lillybing was her <i>family</i> nickname. My objection to Qian Xun being called Pumpkin is that it is not any family nickname or a name by which she has ever been known. It is a media adoption and I find it dehumanising.</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341776</link>
		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, valid point that only DPF used the term &quot;racist&quot; (see his headline), not Dave McLoughlan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, valid point that only DPF used the term &#8220;racist&#8221; (see his headline), not Dave McLoughlan.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341773</link>
		<dc:creator>Robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A similar situation happened with the death of Hinewaoriki Karaitiana-Matiaha. The media used her family nickname - Lillybing - rather than her given name.

I suppose for an average English speaker, names like Qian Xun and Hinewaoriki don&#039;t conjure up images of cute little girls, but a Pumpkin or a Lillybing will tug at the heartstrings and remind us of the cute names our parents gave us when we were little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A similar situation happened with the death of Hinewaoriki Karaitiana-Matiaha. The media used her family nickname &#8211; Lillybing &#8211; rather than her given name.</p>
<p>I suppose for an average English speaker, names like Qian Xun and Hinewaoriki don&#8217;t conjure up images of cute little girls, but a Pumpkin or a Lillybing will tug at the heartstrings and remind us of the cute names our parents gave us when we were little.</p>
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		<title>By: Cactus Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341748</link>
		<dc:creator>Cactus Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redbaiter,

I do believe that when pronounced it sounds something similar to &quot;Garffy&quot;.  I laugh loudly when it is used and think it is rather hilarious.  I am not offended at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbaiter,</p>
<p>I do believe that when pronounced it sounds something similar to &#8220;Garffy&#8221;.  I laugh loudly when it is used and think it is rather hilarious.  I am not offended at all.</p>
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		<title>By: morris</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341671</link>
		<dc:creator>morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha ha, nice one barry - you pathetic racist prat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha ha, nice one barry &#8211; you pathetic racist prat.</p>
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		<title>By: barry</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341450</link>
		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there MORRIS. Thanks for your kind message.

However I think you souldnt be out of bed at 2 minutes past mid-night. Obviously the late hour doesnt agree with your temperament and you get spots on your liver - or maybe since its past midnight the warewolf in you comes to the fore after midnight. You could do with the sleep.

And you refer to my son - news to me that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there MORRIS. Thanks for your kind message.</p>
<p>However I think you souldnt be out of bed at 2 minutes past mid-night. Obviously the late hour doesnt agree with your temperament and you get spots on your liver &#8211; or maybe since its past midnight the warewolf in you comes to the fore after midnight. You could do with the sleep.</p>
<p>And you refer to my son &#8211; news to me that one.</p>
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		<title>By: virginblogger</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341433</link>
		<dc:creator>virginblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t there a more important issue here? The mother is missing presumed dead and the father had a history of domestic abuse, and there is a frightened and traumatised child who wants her Mummy..... I don&#039;t give a flying fuck what they call her as long as it brings this into the public domain in the event more information is discovered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t there a more important issue here? The mother is missing presumed dead and the father had a history of domestic abuse, and there is a frightened and traumatised child who wants her Mummy&#8230;.. I don&#8217;t give a flying fuck what they call her as long as it brings this into the public domain in the event more information is discovered.</p>
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		<title>By: davemc</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341413</link>
		<dc:creator>davemc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, I did not use the term &quot;racist&quot; in connection with this.

My point was that the media continued to call this girl Pumpkin long after they full well knew her name was Qian Xun Xue; and that Pumpkin was not a name Qian Xun has ever been known as to her friends and family.

Her identity was known to the media by Monday night but her real name was not used in any New Zealand print media in Tuesday&#039;s editions though some Australian media had named her as Qian Xun by then, ie The Age in Melbourne which carried extensive reporting by Eugene Bingham in Auckland who last time I looked wrote for the NZ Herald.

It is not for the media to decide unilaterally to go on calling someone by a bizarre name like Pumpkin when journalists know what her real name is. 

Clearly, it was probably much easier for our media to call her Pumpkin than Qian Xun -- how many Kiwi journalists could pronounce her real name? Happily, Radio New Zealand at least was trying by Checkpoint last night and our print media was by this morning, though the Herald was mistakenly calling her Qian rather than Qian Xun despite Lincoln Tan having a hand in the coverage.

Thanks DPF for putting this issue above the parapet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, I did not use the term &#8220;racist&#8221; in connection with this.</p>
<p>My point was that the media continued to call this girl Pumpkin long after they full well knew her name was Qian Xun Xue; and that Pumpkin was not a name Qian Xun has ever been known as to her friends and family.</p>
<p>Her identity was known to the media by Monday night but her real name was not used in any New Zealand print media in Tuesday&#8217;s editions though some Australian media had named her as Qian Xun by then, ie The Age in Melbourne which carried extensive reporting by Eugene Bingham in Auckland who last time I looked wrote for the NZ Herald.</p>
<p>It is not for the media to decide unilaterally to go on calling someone by a bizarre name like Pumpkin when journalists know what her real name is. </p>
<p>Clearly, it was probably much easier for our media to call her Pumpkin than Qian Xun &#8212; how many Kiwi journalists could pronounce her real name? Happily, Radio New Zealand at least was trying by Checkpoint last night and our print media was by this morning, though the Herald was mistakenly calling her Qian rather than Qian Xun despite Lincoln Tan having a hand in the coverage.</p>
<p>Thanks DPF for putting this issue above the parapet!</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341363</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate- what&#039;s your Chinese name?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate- what&#8217;s your Chinese name?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341323</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it is infinitely better than &quot;4Real&quot;, or Brian for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it is infinitely better than &#8220;4Real&#8221;, or Brian for that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Cactus Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341241</link>
		<dc:creator>Cactus Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The name is cute.  Faced with all sorts of wonderful derivations of names/nicknames in Asia that if we called our children in New Zealand they would get beaten up over, Pumpkin has to rate right up there.

But she&#039;s a toddler and a poor unfortunate story attaches.

We all care more when the child no matter what race, is called Pumpkin.

Me, I got interested when I saw a picture of a Garfield toy on the lawn of her parents home.  She moved from cute then to downright adorable.

I like Pumpkin way more than Madeleine or Maddy.

Pumpkin rocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name is cute.  Faced with all sorts of wonderful derivations of names/nicknames in Asia that if we called our children in New Zealand they would get beaten up over, Pumpkin has to rate right up there.</p>
<p>But she&#8217;s a toddler and a poor unfortunate story attaches.</p>
<p>We all care more when the child no matter what race, is called Pumpkin.</p>
<p>Me, I got interested when I saw a picture of a Garfield toy on the lawn of her parents home.  She moved from cute then to downright adorable.</p>
<p>I like Pumpkin way more than Madeleine or Maddy.</p>
<p>Pumpkin rocks.</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341238</link>
		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The (native) Chinese and Taiwanese people I&#039;ve met recently all use assumed English names while they&#039;re traveling. They either pick the names themselves, or are given one by an English teacher. They even use them amongst themselves... I assume there is some novelty value for them, that they&#039;re fitting in with the local culture or something. I&#039;ve tried learning their &#039;real&quot; names, but apparently my pronunciation is just wrong enough to provoke giggles, altho every so often I get a &quot;that was close&quot; reply that I take as a compliment. 

They&#039;re not offended. So why should other people be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The (native) Chinese and Taiwanese people I&#8217;ve met recently all use assumed English names while they&#8217;re traveling. They either pick the names themselves, or are given one by an English teacher. They even use them amongst themselves&#8230; I assume there is some novelty value for them, that they&#8217;re fitting in with the local culture or something. I&#8217;ve tried learning their &#8216;real&#8221; names, but apparently my pronunciation is just wrong enough to provoke giggles, altho every so often I get a &#8220;that was close&#8221; reply that I take as a compliment. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re not offended. So why should other people be?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341232</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seems your blog has some sway.

The 6pm update on the Heralds main page has &quot;Pumpkin&quot; in the heading but her name was mentioned at the first possible moment.

It was also the name given to her by Melbourne Police, though maybe Lily might have  been a better choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems your blog has some sway.</p>
<p>The 6pm update on the Heralds main page has &#8220;Pumpkin&#8221; in the heading but her name was mentioned at the first possible moment.</p>
<p>It was also the name given to her by Melbourne Police, though maybe Lily might have  been a better choice.</p>
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		<title>By: morris</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341228</link>
		<dc:creator>morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BARRY says:
&quot;Now if they called her Chink or Slit Eyes then possibly - but even then I would find it hard to think its racist. Culturist maybe (yes - I dont like many aspects of many cultures and I have no hesitation in saying so. But thats not being racist.)&quot;

Barry, you are a real backward f**cking idiot. Does your son have a mullet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BARRY says:<br />
&#8220;Now if they called her Chink or Slit Eyes then possibly &#8211; but even then I would find it hard to think its racist. Culturist maybe (yes &#8211; I dont like many aspects of many cultures and I have no hesitation in saying so. But thats not being racist.)&#8221;</p>
<p>Barry, you are a real backward f**cking idiot. Does your son have a mullet?</p>
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		<title>By: JesusCrux</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341226</link>
		<dc:creator>JesusCrux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(ie. I don&#039;t give a crap about the cultural significance of names bullshit)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(ie. I don&#8217;t give a crap about the cultural significance of names bullshit)</p>
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		<title>By: JesusCrux</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341225</link>
		<dc:creator>JesusCrux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, I met someone today who asked me what my name was, and I said stan. And she said, no your real name so I said Chi. She said she didn&#039;t like it how Asians simplify their names for the sake of convenience.

That pissed me off, &#039;cos I call myself stan &#039;cos I prefer it. And so what if it&#039;s for the sake of convenience? Would&#039;ve saved me from trying to get her to pronounce it properly and always having to spell it out for people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, I met someone today who asked me what my name was, and I said stan. And she said, no your real name so I said Chi. She said she didn&#8217;t like it how Asians simplify their names for the sake of convenience.</p>
<p>That pissed me off, &#8216;cos I call myself stan &#8216;cos I prefer it. And so what if it&#8217;s for the sake of convenience? Would&#8217;ve saved me from trying to get her to pronounce it properly and always having to spell it out for people.</p>
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		<title>By: sally</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341224</link>
		<dc:creator>sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr McCloughlin and his fellow travellers  would do well to stop focusing on pissant examples of faux racism and put their concern to better use as to what appears, at this point in time, a potentially sinister case.  

No doubt, like other parents, I am suprised and concerned over the mother&#039;s apparent lack of police contact to facillitate reuniification with her terrified daughter.  I understand the case and police appeals are being given blanket coverage in NZ Chinese media, so let&#039;s not hear any silly claims of &#039;racism&#039;  being lobbed at the police. Given some of the latest media tidbits regarding the father having  police  contact because of domestic violence etc and TV3 reporting the claim that his daughter from his first marriage has also mysteriously disappeared does not bode well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr McCloughlin and his fellow travellers  would do well to stop focusing on pissant examples of faux racism and put their concern to better use as to what appears, at this point in time, a potentially sinister case.  </p>
<p>No doubt, like other parents, I am suprised and concerned over the mother&#8217;s apparent lack of police contact to facillitate reuniification with her terrified daughter.  I understand the case and police appeals are being given blanket coverage in NZ Chinese media, so let&#8217;s not hear any silly claims of &#8216;racism&#8217;  being lobbed at the police. Given some of the latest media tidbits regarding the father having  police  contact because of domestic violence etc and TV3 reporting the claim that his daughter from his first marriage has also mysteriously disappeared does not bode well.</p>
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		<title>By: The Perfect Man</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341223</link>
		<dc:creator>The Perfect Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its an atrocity. I would have been shattered if such a name had been imposed on me as a kid. Being forced to eat the stuff was bad enough. &#039;Brussel Sprout&#039; much more acceptable. Mmm yum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its an atrocity. I would have been shattered if such a name had been imposed on me as a kid. Being forced to eat the stuff was bad enough. &#8216;Brussel Sprout&#8217; much more acceptable. Mmm yum.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Mann</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/is_calling_her_pumpkin_racist.html#comment-341222</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody who takes the view that calling this poor child &#039;pumpkin&#039; is a stupid PC fuckwit. Obviously the name was given to her because nobody at the time could identify her, and the name has stuck, because it is rather endearing and sweet. These things have a tendency to become hyped by the media and the child has taken on (or rather, been given) the name &#039;pumpkin&#039; as a way of identifying her in the news reports.
Jesus people.. get a fucking life and get over yourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody who takes the view that calling this poor child &#8216;pumpkin&#8217; is a stupid PC fuckwit. Obviously the name was given to her because nobody at the time could identify her, and the name has stuck, because it is rather endearing and sweet. These things have a tendency to become hyped by the media and the child has taken on (or rather, been given) the name &#8216;pumpkin&#8217; as a way of identifying her in the news reports.<br />
Jesus people.. get a fucking life and get over yourselves.</p>
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