What will Archbishop Tamaki say?
Destiny Archbishop and Pontifex Minimus Brian Tamaki is making an announcement at 1 pm today about “his political future, and that of the Destiny New Zealand political party”.
So what will Brian announces. Here are the options:
- He is going to become the Leader of the Destiny Political Party, replacing his flunkie Richard Lewis
- He is winding up the Destiny Political Party, so a broader church based grouping can be formed
- He spoke to Jesus, and Jesus has told him to become Prime Minister, so he is giving up his church role to work fulltime on the political role
- The Holy Trinity is expanding to be a Holy Quartet, as God e-mailed me to say they need a hand. Currently negotiating if I sit on his right or left hand side.
Any other options?
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September 18th, 2007 at 11:09 am
God has told him to stay aloof from political matters (a la EB). The complete failure to get any votes has nothing to do with it. Henceforth, he will focus his attention on influencing policies of existing parties.
September 18th, 2007 at 11:14 am
He’ll run a secretive million dollar smear campaign against Labour and the Greens, with the full knowledge and backing of the National Party?
September 18th, 2007 at 11:17 am
Nah, Tamaki wouldn’t sully his reputation by getting involved with a cult like National.
September 18th, 2007 at 11:19 am
I wonder when the first National Party hack will log in accusing David Farrar of NAzi like behaviour and inciting a second holocaust?
Oh sorry, they only do that when anyone mentions National and the EB!
September 18th, 2007 at 11:29 am
He going to campaign on free kool-aid for everyone!
September 18th, 2007 at 11:34 am
I’m it Sonic,
Hey DPF why the mockery!!
While I don’t agree with the Destiny Church on probably many things I think you have been far to harsh in taking the mickey out of them.
They appear to be operating on a lot more principle and integrity than the dear leader and her feminist cabal.
Do you think Destiny would promote the EFB and restrict freedom of speech.
I’m frankly disappointed in you.
Maybe others could explain why the “Christians” like Eb’s and Destiny get lambasted so much and become everyones punchbag.
I would have Tamaki or Lewis rather than H1 as PM any day of the week.(and I don’t even want to join Destiny ever)
September 18th, 2007 at 11:36 am
Quite niftily, the press conference is being broadcast live here:
http://viewers.multicastmedia.com/viewer/viewerframes_parent.asp?networkID=3000205
1 hour, 23 minutes, and 26 seconds
September 18th, 2007 at 11:37 am
Great, Calculus would rather have the living spokedman of the skyfairy incarnate running a theocracy than the Labour party…
Good on you old chap. I love honest opinion. Even if it is barkingly insane honest opinion.
September 18th, 2007 at 11:39 am
Seems the EB’s and the ES’s (Exclusive Sisterhood) just can’t get on. Mutually exclusive, which is ok but a shame that we will all now be excluded from political comment unless we ‘register’. That is a bad bad word sounding too much like sinister. Or minister.
Register with the sinister Minister the spin star who went too far(st) in a speeding car after burning her bra because her Ma was oppressed by her Pa on that fateful night when Ma should have said “Na, thanks Pa, why don’t you go out and find a bar”. Made in the Waikato.
So its all the fault of a man that we find ourselves here fighting the EFB.
September 18th, 2007 at 11:39 am
I have a hell of a lot more time for the EB than I do for Destiny. I regard Tamaki as a charlatan who gets rich on the tithes of his followers.
But hey last week I was attacked as being anti-Muslim and now I am being attacked for being anti-Christian. Been a while since someone has attacked me for being anti-Jewish though.
September 18th, 2007 at 11:44 am
Well, wasn’t it supposed to be by next year Destiny will rule New Zealand because God told him so?
Maybe it’ll be a “Yeah, we’ll rule next year!” or a “Sorry, God got it wrong… he meant never.”
September 18th, 2007 at 11:45 am
“I would have Tamaki or Lewis rather than H1 as PM any day of the week.”
If one listens objectively to Lewis, he always sound pretty sensible. Much more sensible than any raving frothing evangelistic socialist. (like Klark)
I’ve never got the point of socialists attacking religion when socialism is just another belief system, another path to Nirvana. I’ve never got the point of socialists saying religion should be kept out of the education system, and then they go flat out brainwashing kids about the religion of socialism. Socialists are often more religious about their political system then any God botherer.
Whilst they so often express contempt for Christian based religion, the fact is of it wasn’t for the block support of some NZ faith groups and their leaders, Labour wouldn’t be in power. The left- the day they awaken to rationale is the day pigs pilot space craft to the outer limits of the galaxy.
September 18th, 2007 at 11:46 am
Well you did make some “nazi” comments last week…
but while I’m here I’d just like to get this clear – you, DPF, have time for a religious sect that bases itself on the repression of human rights (including the right to vote), as well as further and specific repression of women’s rights, that uses people’s children as leverage against them and may involve and tacitly approve a culture of child sex abuse???
And here was me thinking you were a libertarian.
[DPF: I said "more time". That is a relative statement. Just like me saying I have more time for you than I do for Selma. It should not be taken as an indication of deep and abiding affection!]
September 18th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Of course, in 2004, he announced on TV that God had told him he would be leading NZ, and NZ would be a theocracy, within 5 years…
September 18th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Ok DPF – you have more time for a “church” that takes *all* of it’s members income, doesn’t let them interact with the outside world child abuse etc than with a church that, while uncomfortably right-fundamentalist, has never had any accusations of child abuse laid against it, lets its members associate with who they want to freely, tithes 10% (which is pretty standard for tithing churches) and has helped many low income people get out of drug dependency.
Bro, no matter how relative you get that’s just not a very pleasant thought. Did you get a cut form the EB or something?
[DPF: Wow Robinson is a cheer leader for Brian Tamaki. Do you get a cut from him?]
September 18th, 2007 at 12:11 pm
More child abuse is committed by left wing secular teachers than any religious group.
September 18th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
Yeah, I’m getting a cut (and a place after the rapture, see you in hell… from heaven!) But you still haven’t said why you prefer EB to Destiny.
[DPF: The EB haven't spent as much time as Tamaki demonising gay and lesbian NZers.]
September 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Hey Bait – I’d like to see the stats for that – maybe over a nice glass of wine and a pleasant dinner?
September 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Any figures to back that up RB? I reckon the Catholic Church could give left-wing secular teachers a run for their money….
September 18th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
Report: Educator Sexual Misconduct: A Synthesis of Existing Literature, estimated that almost 10 percent of public school students, about 4.5 million children, have been abused by public school employees or adult volunteers. It was commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education and presented to Congress at the end of June 2004.
September 18th, 2007 at 12:25 pm
Good stuff Bait now what about the wine and dinner (I’ll go dutch if you want).
September 18th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
So DPF, (as much as I’m not gonna like saying this – let’s face it both suck) you believe that homophobia is more repugnant than child sex-abuse? I mean I know full well it’s not nice to be demonised for your sexuality, but I’m happier with that than I would be with having to deal with having been raped as a child. Maybe that means my moral compass is wrong but I don’t think so.
September 18th, 2007 at 12:42 pm
On the third day the economy will rise from the dead and move up the OECD rankings.
September 18th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
“Hey Bait – I’d like to see the stats for that – maybe over a nice glass of wine and a pleasant dinner?”
Back off Robsin! Red Baiter is my bitch – I hope I don’t have to tell you again!
September 18th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
“Yeah, I’m getting a cut (and a place after the rapture, see you in hell… from heaven!) But you still haven’t said why you prefer EB to Destiny.”
Duh Robinson! If someone gave you $1.2 million would you go around slagging them off?
September 18th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
So Robinson – still holding out for the NZ as theocracy, led by Brian, that Tamaki told God had told him in ‘04? It was a piece of his prophecy, all reported live in 60 mins I think from memory.
September 18th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
No Mike – I’m only asking why DPF dislikes him more than the EB. If had a clue you’d be able to tell I greatly dislike Tamaki and you’d be able to see why. But given the choice I’d rather have him than the EB for reasons I’ve made quite clear.
Now, why would DPF rather have the EB unless it’s part of National’s attempts to rehabilitate them a little so 2005’s scandal doesn’t seem so bad. If so they should be absolutely fuckin ashamed of themselves.
I’m still waiting for my answer DPF.
September 18th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
rob – sorry, my mistake – I withdraw and apologise
September 18th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Ok, Nome’s suggesting the EB gave David P Farrar 1.2 million dollars.
September 18th, 2007 at 1:22 pm
I’m hoping the archbishop will say that the church’s mission is to preach the gospel, not to become a political power. (That is the job of Jesus when he returns to prevent the total destruction of the world).
September 18th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
Ok, Hellmoot takes everything he reads literally, without applying common sense.
September 18th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Maybe he intends to stand as an independent in Mangere so that he can tithe the tax payers of NZ 10% of GDP by way of Parliamentary services. I tried to see what was going on his website but couldn’t get anywhere.
September 18th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
Poor BT. The prophecy was made by a visiting American preacher, not by BT, and it appeared to me to come as a surprise to him and put him in the unenviable position of denying its truth and thereby proclaiming his guest buddy a false teacher and therefore not worth listening to, or accepting it and having everybody speculate about him. He should have said “thankyou, time will tell whether that word is from God as you claim it to be”. Of course if it doesn’t come true then the prophet was false and that would not surprise me nor many other Christians who saw the 60min show at the time given the ‘prophet’ seemed to have worked himself into a very emotional state prior to making the claim about BT.
September 18th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
Question is, if its option 2 which main party will lose the most party votes to it ?
September 18th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
Whatever it is I can’t wait.
September 18th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
It was option 2.
Destiny NZ is de-registering. There is a national advisory council of well-regarded religious leaders from across the religious spectrum over-seeing a single Christian voice in the political process etc.
September 18th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Shit ! A single Christian voice based on an iron age belief in a supernatural being, has absolutely no place in the political process in New Zealand
[Unless they take a couple of point of National]
ciao
September 18th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
This was, when I last looked a democracy – until the ERB goes through anyway.
I am not a religious person, indeed I despise cultism, but I consider the average Destiny Churchgoer/zealot, has as much right to take part in the electoral process as I do.
September 18th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Pooh. Boring.
September 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
According to this report:
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_national_story_skin/451171?format=html
it was Bro’ Tamaki himself who was making the predictions that by 2008 the Destiny-boys (they sound like some band – sharp suits man!) would be in charge. The visiting preacher was just endorsing. And helping with praise the lord and pass the plate (they have eftpos too).
September 18th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Well, Graeme, I didnt see the press conference, perhaps you did, but I recon that Copeland and Taito are hooking up with Destiny with the backing of certain church leaders. This single christian voice can only be to avoid splitting the Christian vote. But I maintain that it will not have broad church support.
What it wil mean is that Destiny as a group will not be able to spend $2M if the EFB is passed as it currently stands…..their $2m will be shared with others.
September 18th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
if I went round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened “bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away”
September 18th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Actually, maybe Copeland and Taito will be left out and this party will be a church party with Destiny, Mark Mortlocks church crowd and a few significant larger churches. If so, I fail to see how that wil affect the christian vote. I`ll blogon it later
September 18th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
Much earlier than iron age really… and plenty of people still believe in God today.
Quite a few folks believe in gravity too. Now there’s an old concept.
September 18th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
Some guy called Capill wants to know whether he can join. Forgiveness and all that?
September 18th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
Well as it seems that Nature Neuroscience has wilfully misinterpreting the results of a psychological study so as to be able to claim that liberals are smarter than conservatives, perhaps the Good Pastor is determined to do his bit to restore the magazine’s reputation by demonstrating yet again that at least some conservatives are indeed not only delusional but also stupid.
September 18th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
The old Gravity chestnut? When Tamaki gets in we’ll get to hear the truth about Intelligent Falling.
September 18th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
Destiny Church has been scoffed at by many, including “mainline” churches but have they changed the lives for good of as many as Destiny has? I was sceptical about Destiny once but their programs in action are persuasive. To attribute evil to those do good itself comes out of evil. Would you rather have the gang members on the streets?
Tithing is biblical; those who do so, know the blessings it brings. Those who do not know Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour cannot understand these things anyway, and they will appear foolish to them.
Expect greater surprises yet from these people who are mocked.
September 18th, 2007 at 3:13 pm
“Pooh. Boring.”
As soon as the gnome rogerer shows up, an unavoidable outcome…
September 18th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
I don’t ‘Hate’ many people. I do ‘Hate’ Brian Tamaki!
September 18th, 2007 at 4:26 pm
Sheesh. Tamaki wants to tell us how to live our lives. Labour tells us how to live our lives. I suppose its just as well they do because nobody has ever successfully lived their lives without gummint help before.
September 18th, 2007 at 6:01 pm
Not too many questions why the Bishop is doing this.
Is it because Destiny has tanked? Hardly, he’s only been in the political game five minutes and pulled 10 times the support of the Libz.
Is he trying to separate Church from politics? Uhuh, people can now vote either Destiny or a wider based family type party(s). He may have identified that there’s resistance to too close an identification with his brand of religion.
Is he broadening the political horizon? Again yes, he’s bringing some political muscle, money and a lot of energy to the arena and making it less identifiable to Helen and co.
I have no doubt he’s clever and can think on his feet.
JC
September 18th, 2007 at 7:23 pm
DPF
I have no interest in middle eastern superstition and do not seek to defend it however I must say that you are beginning to sound like Comrade Klark and the Greens when you talk about a religious movement you disagree with.
If people are dumb enough to follow Tamaki then that is their right, either way they do not deserve to be pilloried for that by you or anybody else.
September 18th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
James Sleep Says:
September 18th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
I don’t ‘Hate’ many people. I do ‘Hate’ Brian Tamaki!
Why James?, what on earth has he done to you?
BTW, I would imagine that you are not high on his Xmas card list either.
September 18th, 2007 at 8:12 pm
I think they will be financed by shed-loads of US evangelical right-wing cash to promote ‘Family-values’ (ie, anti-gay, anti-sex before marriage, anti-abortion, anti-non Christian religion and culture, anti-progressiveness, such as Green issues, and anti-socialism such as Labour throw in a bit of anti-drugs (all drugs))
They will make the far right of the National party look like pinkoes.
They will smile to your face, act like the acceptible face of far-right US bigotry and use their influence to promote a paternalistic, retrogressive legislation in the House. Every one who was for the Anti-smacking Bill, or legalisation of prostitution, or lowering of the drinking age, or might be for the decriminalisation of marijuana will find a natural enemy in this lot. Brian Tamaki is the worst kind of bigot. He does it because “God” is on his side. Personally I don’t trust this kind of mixing religion with politics. Especially when you will get a lying cheating exploiter like Field back into a cushy littel high-salaried seat in parliament. Previous systems have taken great pains to keep church and state separate.
September 18th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
Lee C,
Yep, I’m for NZ regressing to the ‘mores’ of an era of fewer murders, fewer marriage breakups, fewer drug addicts, fewer burglaries, more politeness, more integrity, more faithfulness etc.
Yes, National is becoming more and more ‘pink’, even as Labour becomes more communistic.
Evangelical Christians are not moving right and becoming more extremist – heck even most of my Christian buddies are no longer teetotallers.
It’s the movement of the others to the left (liberal not economic left) which makes the difference more apparent.
September 18th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
Therein lies the rub. We would all like to live in a mythical past and that is why this new party will garner suppport. I too share your sentiments, but fear there is a thin line between evangalism and bigotry. I say this not to shock or because it is ‘cool’ to so so, but because it is often true.
September 19th, 2007 at 8:46 am
Like stoning & crucifixion?
September 19th, 2007 at 10:26 am
“Like stoning & crucifixion?”
Don’t imagine that things you do today will not be looked back on with disgust by future more civilized (if we can just get rid of the socialists) generations.
September 28th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
Brian Tamaki better hope that Destiny Church really does ending ruling the nation of new zealand in the time that was mentioned especially with the encouragement of Americas Eddie Long and his reaffirmation of Brians prophecy. For the simple fact that if it doesnt come to pass then he is going to make himself, Destiny church and the Christians look like fools for making such a prediction without any realization or substance to bring it fully into reality.
September 28th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
I have known Brian Tamaki and Richard Lewis since the days when i lived in Tokoroa which is he place where i got to know Richard Lewis and his family a bit better. His dad whom is Dick Lewis is an ex police officer, his mum Elizabeth use to come and do bible in schools in Tokoroa. I attended the same church as Richard and Nigel his brother at the Tokoroa Apostolic Church. Yes and i had watched as Richard became a police officer as what his father use to be. However despite my days of reminese i dont think Richard Lewis is been himself when i hear him talking and playing the part as side kick to Brian Tamaki. These people Brian Tamaki, Richard Lewis and Kaumatua Manuel Renata all have known each other for donkeys years going from church to church with each other and eventually ending up in Auckland to form Destiny Church although it originally started in Rotorua. These guys have been scratching each others backs for years on end and my testimony of these guys is worthy to be trusted.
October 30th, 2009 at 9:44 am
interesting development on interview in close up. am I wrong our did brian proclaim he is a prohept? there is lots of text written about a person claiming to be a prohept. fyi they tested the last prohept muhammad . maybe if they applied the same critera of testing to brian I think that there would be a lot of questions answered…..