It’s Senior Civil War

October 12th, 2007 at 12:34 pm by David Farrar

War has broken out amongst seniors.  Their beloved general has called some of them traitors.  A civil war looms.  From NZPA:

Wellington, Oct 12 NZPA – New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has accused a faction within Grey Power of running an orchestrated campaign against him and the SuperGold Card.

 Mr Peters today told an audience of Bay of Plenty Grey Power members he was aware some members had mounted a campaign against him and the card.

“We are also aware that there is a so called `ginger group’ within Grey Power that has run a fairly orchestrated campaign against the card and me personally,” he said.

Oh no, how dare they.  A senior citizen attacked Winston – personally.  They must be found and shot.

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48 Responses to “It’s Senior Civil War”

  1. Castafiore (263 comments) says:

    All senior citizens need to know this critical fact:

    A VOTE FOR WINSTON FIRST PARTY IS A VOTE FOR LABOUR !!!

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  2. longbow (130 comments) says:

    which major merchant accepts SuperGold card?

    i can’t think of any.

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  3. Castafiore (263 comments) says:

    All the vain chest beating comments about the Gold Card and what do we get.

    The Gold Card should have given us more benefits
    LOOK AT THE HUGE SURPLUS !!!!!

    This is exactly how he works.

    We have been used as pawns in Winstons ego driven game to keep him in power.

    A VOTE FOR WINSTON FIRST PARTY IS A VOTE FOR LABOUR !!!

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  4. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,684 comments) says:

    Yes it is very funny indeed. OT but David, what happened to the Curia poll newsletter?

    [DPF: Just awaiting pdfing]

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  5. James W (277 comments) says:

    I blame the SuperBlues! :)

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  6. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Dont wish to hijack the thread but the Gumint annoucement that they are going to ban wide screen TVs just shows the command and control mentality these arseholes have

    If the Nats said this the Pinkos would be all over it.

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  7. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    If anyone stated a war its Winstone.

    He’s baiscally stolen the super card FROM Greypower and done a real half arsed job of it.

    I’ve read his very glossy and expensive gold card BS is its crap. There’s bugger all on it in very few locations and NOTHING that in any way helps people in their daily expenses.

    However interestingly enough if – like my step-mother – you ring them to say this is a load of crapola and the greypower card is ten times better, you will be told “don’t worry, theres LOTS of really coold stuff being added to it in time for the election next year.

    Queue Chronic telling us of the evil right wing zionist golfers exclusive Christian bankers fundy plot to “buy the election”.

    I think we can all see who is buying what in our country without a foriegners input thanks.

    And since we’re making little off topic observations – anyone noticed how all New Zealands most militant unionists all have accents that come from 12,000 miles away?

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  8. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    I don’t even need to comment on theads anymore, Murray can just in what he thinks I might say and then we can all go on from there.

    Isn’t it nice to have such a devoted fan!

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  9. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    War , war , war , bring it on Queenie ?

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  10. Billy (124 comments) says:

    In fairness to Murray, Sonic, that *is* what you usually say.

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  11. Right of way is Way of Right (1,125 comments) says:

    Super “Gold” Card
    “Grey” Power
    “Ginger” Group
    Super “blues”
    “pink”os

    What a colourfull thread, and only 10 posts too!

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  12. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    Come on Winston – pick on someone your own age!

    Maybe Winston has taken the Grey Power vote for granted once to often. If this “key” NZ First constituency deserts Winston, he is in the poop, up to and past his eyeballs. I’m sure there is a tirade about Asian immigration waiting to be unleashed in the very near future!

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  13. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    Row said “What a colourfull thread, and only 10 posts too!”

    If I’d seen your post before submitting mine RoW, I would have talked about the “yellow peril”!!!

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  14. casual watcher (289 comments) says:

    I have always thought the most likely scenario causing the dissolution of the current govt would be NZF parliamentarians walking away from Winston to save their own skins. He is beyond a joke these days and they would be wise to contemplate such action. The ERB would be a good catalyst.

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  15. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    If you can point to a time I have ever used the word “Zionist” on here you might have a point Billy.

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  16. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Dont wish to hijack the thread but the Gumint annoucement that they are going to ban wide screen TVs just shows the command and control mentality these arseholes have ”

    Ever seen Klark on widescreen? Double the ugh factor.

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  17. Billy (124 comments) says:

    So you are willing to admit to being concerned about “the evil right wing golfers exclusive Christian bankers fundy plot to “buy the election”.”?

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  18. Grant (383 comments) says:

    “And since we’re making little off topic observations – anyone noticed how all New Zealands most militant unionists all have accents that come from 12,000 miles away?”

    As does our Minister of Finance if you listen closely..
    G

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  19. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    Not a phrase I’ve ever used, although I did have to note that the Nats ditched their own leader over something along those lines.

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  20. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Inventory2 Didnt Winnies troops go AWOL on him once before I mean to have this happen once one can view as an unfortunate accident But to happen twice?

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  21. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “anyone noticed how all New Zealands most militant unionists all have accents that come from 12,000 miles away?”

    That’s right. They fucked their own country and now want to do the same to NZ. Well, they’ve done it really. Sonic’s one of them. Should never have let them in the country. Muslim terrorists are nothing compared to white anting commies from the UK.

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  22. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    gd – I think they might have – however, if you read McCully’s weekly epistle, Winston might have more pressing immediate problems – the Speaker has a letter on her desk apparently accusing said NZFirst leader of misleading the House and breaching parliamentary privilege. Read on:

    “Peters Sprung

    Having exposed themselves by trying to play cheap politics around Iraq, Government Ministers were livid when news of the Air New Zealand troop charters for the Australian Defence Forces blew up in their faces back in August. The need for a token victim was immediate. Ministers (who had been entirely responsible for creating the Iraq issue) could, of course, not be responsible. Nobody had told them, they maintained. So Foreign Affairs boss Simon Murdoch was wheeled out to accept full responsibility for keeping his Minister in the dark.

    This week, papers were finally released by the Government under the Official Information Act (OIA) that made it very clear just who was responsible for keeping Mr Peters in the dark. It was not Mr Murdoch. He and his colleagues at MFAT head office had sent Mr Peters’ office a copy of a Combined Threat Assessment Group (CTAG) report entitled “Air New Zealand Military Charter Flights to Kuwait” on 15 May. The problem was that in the ensuing three months, neither Mr Peters nor any of his staff had actually read it.

    All of the above was apparent from paperwork released by the Prime Minister’s Office, under signature of one Heather Simpson, on Tuesday morning of this week. But worse revelations were to come. Mr Peters had still not released his and MFAT’s papers under the OIA. And a bit of gentle goading on Tuesday finally paid dividends.

    The MFAT papers revealed that when news of the troop flights and the certainty of serious political embarrassment hit the public arena in mid-August, somebody in Mr Peters’ office started getting worried. Very worried indeed. Because email records show that on 15 August MFAT headquarters delivered to Mr Peters’ office another copy of the very same CTAG report they had delivered three months earlier, carefully marked to make clear where Mr Peters’ office had been on the MFAT distribution list.

    How very very strange it was then, that a day later Mr Peters was on his feet in Parliament denying absolutely that his office had received any communications, of any sort from his Ministry on the troop movements. Because by then his office had received both the original CTAG report of 15 May, and a second copy on 15 August – just a day before his Parliamentary denials.

    On Tuesday, when papers disclosed only the original CTAG report, Mr Peters explained this discrepancy as being all the fault of the silly Member for East Coast Bays. He had foolishly asked back on August 16 about reports to Mr Peters from his Ministry. And this was a CTAG report, not a report from MFAT. So there!

    Imagine the surprise a day later when the released MFAT documents made it clear that it was MFAT, no one else, that had forwarded the CTAG report as part of an internal MFAT distribution list. And worse, a second copy had been personally delivered by an MFAT officer the very day before Mr Peters denied in Parliament ever receiving any communications from his Ministry on the topic.

    All of which, ladies and gentlemen, is why the Speaker now has sitting on her desk, a brief letter setting out the facts outlined above. It is a breach of Parliamentary privilege to mislead Parliament. And on the facts as they now appear it is difficult to draw any different conclusion.”

    Bolshie senior citizens would merely seem to be one of several “issues” facing the Rt Hon Winston Peters this afternoon!

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  23. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    Notice that you never see Redbaiter and Kermit the Frog in the same room at the same time.

    Makes you think eh?

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  24. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    I would prefer to be in a room with Redbaiter and frogs than a vipers den of hateful socialist nanny state engineers .

    Load the canons boy, because here we come , dear sonic , haha.

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  25. david (2,483 comments) says:

    And the relevance of your last post 2:57 to this thread is? sonic, or are you trying to get the new moderators to show you where the trolling line will be drawn?

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  26. unaha-closp (1,035 comments) says:

    And why is kiwiblog running an hour behind, is it just standard Wellington laxness?

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  27. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    McPiñata

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  28. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    unaha-closp said “And why is kiwiblog running an hour behind, is it just standard Wellington laxness?”

    unaha – Kiwiblog is running on Winston Time!

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  29. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse for Winston –

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=117&objectid=10469517

    Soccer New Zealand is $200k in the pooh after having to cancel their match against Fiji tomorrow, because the government wouldn’t issue a visa to the Fijian goalkeeper who has tenuous links to the Fijian military.

    “New Zealand Football chief executive Graham Seatter said his organisation was clearly disappointed with the outcome, but it was something that was outside their hands.

    “We desperately wanted to host the game,” he said.

    “We wanted to do that for the players, their families, the New Zealand football family and primarily for the fans.”

    Seatter expressed concern about the consequences of the decision, which was “potentially dire” for the sport in New Zealand.”

    The Women’s U17 World Cup in New Zealand next year is now on shaky ground with FIFA. Thanks Winston!

    More here: http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2007/10/mccully-vs-peters.html

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  30. baxter (893 comments) says:

    The Super Gold card could more appropriately be labelled the Pale Yellow card.. Winston will be feeling full of himself now that he has used a spurious relationship to have the soccer game abandoned, as he frolics under the benign oversight of his masculine mistress.

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  31. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Red baiter,,

    I remember a pommy union leader by the name of bob storemont Back in the early 80′s

    disgusting and vile creature

    abused us while he demanded our support

    now he will be back in pommy land laughing his fat guts at us

    also, he might be dead so I can use his name fearlessly.

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  32. Dale (32 comments) says:

    So , if your a senior citizen and point out the bleeden obvious Winston creates a conspiracy. If you suggest a tax cut you should be taken out the back and drowned. Anyone still voting for these kind of people should be shot.

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  33. Yvette (2,591 comments) says:

    I watched Winston on TV ONE a couple of nights ago, while he was going through some bloody technicality that proved he hadn’t actually lied in Parliament, but they concluded with a shot of him nodding off and instead of the arrogant rooster he used to be, it was plain he is becoming a rather tired old chook. As he approaches his own used-by-date, he is turning on the group he has always used.

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  34. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Winston is an embarrassment. However, think he has a stranglehold on his Party, so they cannot ditch him. I think he has told the Party that he will be able to negotiate the outstanding overspend payment with Labour after the EFB goes through and with whoever will be desperate enough to curry his favour – Nats or Labour.

    So they (and maybe we) are stuck with this embarrassing status-obsessed jester. Unless he and his party are voted out.

    Now, is the rest of his Party prepared to contemplate political suicide just because Winston has them by the short and curlies?

    That is the question…

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  35. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    If Winston gets done for breach of privilege (and admittedly, that is a long shot with the current Ms Speaker), that would be the end of NZFirst – the “principles party” – Winston used up most of his brownie points when he accepted the “baubles of office”, and is living on borrowed time. Three times he has been a Cabinet Minister, and so far, he has not completed a three-year term – that speaks volumes!

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  36. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Margaret Wilson will do some stern finger wagging, Winston will act sorry, for about 3 minutes, the EFB will get voted through and life will go on…

    It is pivotal for Labour that Winston not be exposed lying to Parliament.

    It’s not as if Helen can demand his resigantions and [plausibly] enforce it, is it. Such is the beauty of the MMP system.

    It’s like the captain of a rugby team playing a thug and then benefitting from his fouls, without taking any of the blame….

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  37. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    But, if he did go, what would it do to Dunne?

    Suddenly the world would be a very lonely place, I think…

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  38. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    I want to see the poodle in one of those mastercard type ads. But instead of young people at play we can have Grey Power taking winnie out on the town and when they get to the bar an old guy pulls out a card to pay. At the end of the ad we have the announcer say “for those worthless moments we have SuperGold Card, worthless”.

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  39. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    “.. is the rest of his Party prepared to contemplate political suicide..?

    The answer is yes. The rest of NZF are nothing but a bunch of unprincipled politicians who will do anything to stay in power. Peters and his minions will stoop to whatever it takes to get elected.

    Fortunately (fingers crossed), the poodle’s days are numbered. He shall be sent to a rest jome some after November 2008.

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  40. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    Lee C said “Margaret Wilson will do some stern finger wagging, Winston will act sorry, for about 3 minutes, the EFB will get voted through and life will go on…

    It is pivotal for Labour that Winston not be exposed lying to Parliament.”

    Agree about the last bit Lee. But if McCully’s account of events is accurate, Winston is guilty as charged, not once but twice. He KNOWINGLY misled the House on 16 August, and even more KNOWINGLY misled the House on Wednesday. What makes it worse is that his personal explanation is supposedly uncontestable – the stuff about the Honourable gentleman’s word having to be accepted – if he is proven to have deliberately misused the leave that was extended to him to make a personal explanation, he will be in the poop well past the collar of his double-breasted suit!

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  41. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    A lie detector hooked up to the beehive for a one day would cause a 8.92 earthquake on the richter scale.

    What a country fill of lying wimps !!

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  42. Rex Widerstrom (5,129 comments) says:

    casual watcher posited that:

    …the most likely scenario causing the dissolution of the current govt would be NZF parliamentarians walking away from Winston to save their own skins

    They might, but it wouldn’t. If you think Winston has no substance, then on that scale the likes of Peter Brown, Doug Woolerton, Ron Mark et al are a vacuum. In fact, they bend the very laws of physics by managing to be simultaneously both a vacuum and a waste of space ;-)

    (For the record – and to avoid accusations of inconsistency – I exclude Brian Donnelly from the above comment)

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  43. bwakile (757 comments) says:

    Lee
    Re the Dunne letter
    he basically said that he was happy to see what amendments the select comm would recommend and that he had lodged his concerns regarding 3rd party definitions and the 60k limit.
    It didnt inspire a lot of hope in me

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  44. Richard (130 comments) says:

    “We are also aware that there is a so called `ginger group’ within Grey Power”

    You can’t trust them effing gingas.

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  45. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    By the bye see below little adendum to the EFB situation and can we at some stage talk about the Labour Party’s emerging targetiing of Key/smokescreenn to get EFB thru ?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10462315&pnum=0

    night all

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  46. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Thnx Bwakile sounds like hand-washing, doesn’t it?

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  47. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Inventory, in terms of choosing battles, do you think that hti sis one you can win – ie what are the odds that WInston will ride this intact?

    Given what yo have said, it would take some acute outrage from the oppositin and I can’t see the present lot punching their way out of a paper bag!

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  48. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    Lee – Winston may well come out of this intact, in a Parliamentary sense, but his credibility has taken a major dent, even if Wilson lets him off – and if there’s one thing that Winston prizes, it’s his integrity.

    However, I feel that McCully makes a pretty strong case against him. Peters said that CTAG was not MFAT, but the papers released under the OIA say that Peters’ office received the CTAG report TWICE, the second time thus:

    “Imagine the surprise a day later when the released MFAT documents made it clear that it was MFAT, no one else, that had forwarded the CTAG report as part of an internal MFAT distribution list. And worse, a second copy had been personally delivered by an MFAT officer the very day before Mr Peters denied in Parliament ever receiving any communications from his Ministry on the topic.”

    So Peters has now TWICE denied in Parliament that his office ever received a communication from MFAT – yet McCully’s evidence, obtained from both Peters’ own office and from the Dept of PM & Cabinet suggests his denials are hollow. I would like to say that there is a prima-facie case against him, but we know how this government treats prima-facies cases, don’t we!

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