It is from here at BBC, Media attacked for ‘climate porn’

Before we go down that path, 80% of the oxygen processing on our planet is done by algae.

Still, I’d like to see most natural environments preserved.

For christ’s sake Owen – for the millionth time – The third way doesn’t equal Stalinism – in fact it’s more right-wing than any National party was during the 1960s and 1970s! Step back and get some perspective man.

True – this is due to the decrease/drying up of tropical swamps that have been major methane emitters in the past. Of course this is being caused by global warming (more Net GHGs in the atmosphere). o yeah it’s an interesting point, but doesn’t have any baring on the AGW (non)debate.

Item Two: NBR Column on “Followers or Leaders”.
The NBR review essay “followers or leaders” which deals with, inter alia, the food mile argument, begins:
“Our leaders have long been enthusiastic promoters of New Zealand as a leader in world opinion.

But they normally refer to political opinion. We may well be trend-setters in giving the vote to women, cradle to grave welfare, and even in rejecting nuclear weapons, but when it comes wealth generation they tend to enthusiastically adopt the opinions of others, even when those opinions are obviously contrary to our national interest.

For example, we were happy to be “Britain’s foodbasket” even while Britain was clearly preparing to enter what is now the Economic Union. Looking to other markets in the Pacific Rim, or looking to diversify beyond commodities, was almost an act of betrayal. … ”

The whole review essay can be read here.
http://www.fcpp.org/main/publication_detail.php?PubID=1898
The Centre does recommend the book “Moveable Feasts” – especially to anyone in the food production or export/import business.

Item Three: NBR Column on Nationalisation of Private Land by Stealth.
This column, with the long title, “We looked up to the Environment and when we looked down the land was gone!” deals with the insidious seizing of private land or private rights in property, and begins:

“New Zealanders have responded to the collapse of the Great Socialist Experiment with some ambivalence – to say the least.
The vast majority of those millions of people who suffered from the socialist experiment – in China, Russia, Eastern Europe, and Cambodia – cannot put the dreadful memory behind them fast enough. After the Berlin Wall came down, new governments rushed to privatise their failed state assets, and their people rushed to enjoy the fruits of market-led democracy.
But here in New Zealand we have an ongoing love affair with the socialist dream. Terms like “market” and “privatisation” are guaranteed to scare the horses – or at least the donkeys. …”
Read the rest here.
http://www.fcpp.org/images/publications/316NationalisationbyStealth.pdf

This column struck many chords and the Centre is receiving many “case studies” or “horror stories” which all add grist to the RMA reform mill. Councils consistently refuse to recognise that if they have not consulted with individual landowners, prior to seizing any of their rights in property, they have inherently failed to meet their cost and benefit obligations under section 32. If they have not consulted how can they have assessed the costs to the owner?
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The rationale that I’d run with (if asked to justify it) would be that the trading regime is targetted at the margins and dogs-cats-people are a the baseload. Another argument could be that there’re are strong economic incentives to increase ruminant emissions so a countering incentive is required. With you, me and the goldfish there’s no incentives on us driving our emissions higher.

Miss your columns in the NBR btw Owen.

Mathane is a large contributer towards NZ’s GH gas emissions.

CO2 emissions through human and animal respiration are relatively insignificant.

Plants taking in carbon as CO2 that is converted by animals to CH4 is a net increase in GH gases.

Plants taking in CO2 that is released as CO2 is not a net increase in GH gases.

We can’t survive without breathing, just as we can’t survive without water, it used to be, and hope it still is, that you didn’t need a water right to take natural water for drinking, just for irrigation and other nonessential purposes.

“If we have declared the natural methane emissions of ruminants to be greenhouse gases to be paid for by carbon offset trades, then on what scientific ground have we excluded all the CO2 emitted by the 4 million people, and other animals such as dogs and cats, inhabiting New Zealand?”

Please put your brains in gear and count to ten before answering. But I really do want an answer for a paper I am writing.

If that ever happens we will probably have more pressing issues on hand

My prediction for global warming is that some time in the future the sun will expand and fry the Glorious Peoples’ Republic of Earth.

Fortunately for science, the apple could jump back into the tree. That is the curved nature of space and time. It takes a closed-system mindset that has reached complete entropy to assume otherwise. Hence the phrase “open your mind”.

This has to be the most blatant, preposterous, overwhelmingly stupidest defense of science I’ve ever seen. I mean, think about what you’re saying next time, foo’.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy

This has to be the most blatant, preposterous, overwhelmingly stupidest defense of science I’ve ever seen. I mean, think about what you’re saying next time, foo’.

In recent years, the Norwegian committee has broadened its interpretation of peacemaking and disarmament efforts outlined by Swedish industrialist Alfred Nobel in creating the prize with his 1895 will.

The prizes were first awarded in 1901.

The prize now often also recognizes human rights, democracy, elimination of poverty, sharing resources and the environment.

Source (dedicated to PhillipJohn/Roger Nome – there’s life outside Wikipedia after all): http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22575451-601,00.html

If you saw the Live Earth concerts lately and wondered why Al didn’t come on stage with his usual sweaty shirt (yes I know its a small detail). It was because he and the organisers instructed the air conditioning to be switched on to full. Add that to Gores private jet trips and his house that leaves an enormous carbon footprint and you have a guy who is giving the environmental movement a very bad name.

Add to this Gore claims to buy carbon credits personally but was actually investing in his own company that exists solely to make money handling carbon credits in a fabricated industry.

I agree with very little that the Bush presidency has done, but I do agree with their rejection of the Kyoto Protocols. Any system that sees NZ who is 90% dependent on hydro power buying carbon credits when the US who is 80% dependent on coal (and far, far large rthan us) is selling them is broken.

Let us again reflect on the wisdom of DPF:

“I actually commended the IPCC work and said what Gore does detracts from the IPCC……… And you have the temerity to call it pathethic, when in fact I am the one who standing up for the science of the IPCC. Gore is the one who is damaging the science with his lies”

The Nobel Committee trembles…..

Bahahahahahahaha you climate denial idiots! They just gave Al Gore the Nobel peace prize. Whats that I see on David Farrar’s face? Heaps of egg???

More illiterate lunacy from TomS. What’s global warming got to do with peace?