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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358820</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>last post!</description>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358267</link>
		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank 

The Leaders Fund matter was dealt with by the AG. The police in not moving on the matter - allowed this process to occur. 

Violence on the sports field and at work is dealt with by the procedures operating in those areas. It only goes any further, if a complaint to police is made by the victim of any assault. This is just stating the facts of it - not making an excuse for it as you stated. 

There is an order of process. 

Police prefer complaints from victims or witnesses to events. These would have priority. 

In the case of &quot;fraud by painting&quot; to advantage a charity - there was no public interest ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank </p>
<p>The Leaders Fund matter was dealt with by the AG. The police in not moving on the matter &#8211; allowed this process to occur. </p>
<p>Violence on the sports field and at work is dealt with by the procedures operating in those areas. It only goes any further, if a complaint to police is made by the victim of any assault. This is just stating the facts of it &#8211; not making an excuse for it as you stated. </p>
<p>There is an order of process. </p>
<p>Police prefer complaints from victims or witnesses to events. These would have priority. </p>
<p>In the case of &#8220;fraud by painting&#8221; to advantage a charity &#8211; there was no public interest &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hinamanu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358256</link>
		<dc:creator>hinamanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 04:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Except the Labour/Alliance vote wasn’t a voting bloc, Woger. Jim Anderton agreed not to bring down Jim Bolger’s government.”

anyone know the reasons Jim was so reluctant to cut a huge swathe into his supposed nemisis.

Perhaps the same reasons he backed down from the oil companies after a few cutting remarks of them??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Except the Labour/Alliance vote wasn’t a voting bloc, Woger. Jim Anderton agreed not to bring down Jim Bolger’s government.”</p>
<p>anyone know the reasons Jim was so reluctant to cut a huge swathe into his supposed nemisis.</p>
<p>Perhaps the same reasons he backed down from the oil companies after a few cutting remarks of them??</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358253</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 04:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Except the Labour/Alliance vote wasn’t a voting bloc, Woger. Jim Anderton agreed not to bring down Jim Bolger’s government.&quot;

So you&#039;re saying that in an mmp environment the Alliance would have gone with National over Labour? Tell me IP - what color is the sky on your planet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Except the Labour/Alliance vote wasn’t a voting bloc, Woger. Jim Anderton agreed not to bring down Jim Bolger’s government.&#8221;</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re saying that in an mmp environment the Alliance would have gone with National over Labour? Tell me IP &#8211; what color is the sky on your planet?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Ranapia</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358248</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Ranapia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 04:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You know, National party supporters are kind of like All Black fans who vehemently insist they have the best team even though they can’t win the competition that counts…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And considering your track record around here, you&#039;re like one of those psychos who run off and vandalise the ref&#039;s Wiki entry when the calls aren&#039;t to their liking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You know, National party supporters are kind of like All Black fans who vehemently insist they have the best team even though they can’t win the competition that counts…</p></blockquote>
<p>And considering your track record around here, you&#8217;re like one of those psychos who run off and vandalise the ref&#8217;s Wiki entry when the calls aren&#8217;t to their liking.</p>
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		<title>By: hinamanu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358244</link>
		<dc:creator>hinamanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 04:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You’ll doubtless be gratified to hear that most of the Labour party hate him.&quot;


oh, oh, oh,,

how I would love to be hated by the Labour Party

every comment I said would be magnified a thousand times.

Everytime I talked about Fabian Socialism and GST is obsolete I&#039;d get a bite.

I&#039;m coming Tim!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You’ll doubtless be gratified to hear that most of the Labour party hate him.&#8221;</p>
<p>oh, oh, oh,,</p>
<p>how I would love to be hated by the Labour Party</p>
<p>every comment I said would be magnified a thousand times.</p>
<p>Everytime I talked about Fabian Socialism and GST is obsolete I&#8217;d get a bite.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m coming Tim!!!</p>
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		<title>By: hinamanu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358236</link>
		<dc:creator>hinamanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 03:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I complained of Helen Clark’s misappropriation of her Leader’s funds to the Police Commissioner under the Sections of the Crime’s Act applicable to Members of Parliament.

That would have been throwing the cat among the pigeons? No wonder the Police Commissioner buried it?

Talk about a corrupt Commissioner’s Office and a corrupt prime Minister.&quot;


You should have complained to the press as weel and then accused them of corruption when they didn&#039;t run with your story.

Then the pigeons would&#039;ve flown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I complained of Helen Clark’s misappropriation of her Leader’s funds to the Police Commissioner under the Sections of the Crime’s Act applicable to Members of Parliament.</p>
<p>That would have been throwing the cat among the pigeons? No wonder the Police Commissioner buried it?</p>
<p>Talk about a corrupt Commissioner’s Office and a corrupt prime Minister.&#8221;</p>
<p>You should have complained to the press as weel and then accused them of corruption when they didn&#8217;t run with your story.</p>
<p>Then the pigeons would&#8217;ve flown.</p>
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		<title>By: Peak Oil Conspiracy</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358232</link>
		<dc:creator>Peak Oil Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 03:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TomsSocialist whines:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
You know, National party supporters are kind of like All Black fans who vehemently insist they have the best team even though they can’t win the competition that counts…
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You know, Tom, that&#039;s kind of funny coming from you.  It&#039;s a great analogy.  The All Blacks abide by the &quot;rules of the code&quot;.  Labour, on the other hand, has shown it plays by its own rules and passes retrospective legislation when necessary to ensure the pesky referee won&#039;t get in the way.  Remember Labour&#039;s shameless attacks on the Auditor-General?  Now when that happens in cricket, the player loses his match fee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TomsSocialist whines:</p>
<blockquote><p>
You know, National party supporters are kind of like All Black fans who vehemently insist they have the best team even though they can’t win the competition that counts…
</p></blockquote>
<p>You know, Tom, that&#8217;s kind of funny coming from you.  It&#8217;s a great analogy.  The All Blacks abide by the &#8220;rules of the code&#8221;.  Labour, on the other hand, has shown it plays by its own rules and passes retrospective legislation when necessary to ensure the pesky referee won&#8217;t get in the way.  Remember Labour&#8217;s shameless attacks on the Auditor-General?  Now when that happens in cricket, the player loses his match fee.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank.</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358150</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPC: You excuse punching on the sport&#039;s field as a matter to be dealt with dealt with by the referee etc. (Violence - part of the game?).

Pinching by employees you regard as a matter to be dealt with by the employer.(Employment perk?).

Officials in the Government Service have their transgressions dealt with by &quot;In House Inquiries&quot;. (Keep up the &quot;squeaky clean&quot; record?)

Police have their transgressions mainly dealt with by a &quot;Disciplinary Tribunal&quot; (Note the 3 year Rickard proceedings). (Keep up the reputation of policxe being corruption free?)

MPs have &quot;Privileges Committees&quot;. If more serious matters are alleged, they are subject to a Commission of Inquiry with limited terms of reference. If it developes into a police matter there seem to be endleass and time consuming barriers raised. (Field case)

However complain to Police about a Member of Parliament breaching the Crimes Act 1961 by advantaging him/herself to the disadvantage of others and they don&#039;t want to know about it.

Why? Because it would open a whole can of worms with those in the Service of the Crown (Including Local Authorities) being charged under these sections of the Act.

Even the EFB in my view comes into the category of a group of Members Of Parliament  endeavouring to pass into Law an Act that advantages themselves to the disadvantage of others. Show me where I am wromg in this assumption?

Joe Blogg offends and is hauled up in front ot the &quot;Beak&quot; by police. Discrimination? Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPC: You excuse punching on the sport&#8217;s field as a matter to be dealt with dealt with by the referee etc. (Violence &#8211; part of the game?).</p>
<p>Pinching by employees you regard as a matter to be dealt with by the employer.(Employment perk?).</p>
<p>Officials in the Government Service have their transgressions dealt with by &#8220;In House Inquiries&#8221;. (Keep up the &#8220;squeaky clean&#8221; record?)</p>
<p>Police have their transgressions mainly dealt with by a &#8220;Disciplinary Tribunal&#8221; (Note the 3 year Rickard proceedings). (Keep up the reputation of policxe being corruption free?)</p>
<p>MPs have &#8220;Privileges Committees&#8221;. If more serious matters are alleged, they are subject to a Commission of Inquiry with limited terms of reference. If it developes into a police matter there seem to be endleass and time consuming barriers raised. (Field case)</p>
<p>However complain to Police about a Member of Parliament breaching the Crimes Act 1961 by advantaging him/herself to the disadvantage of others and they don&#8217;t want to know about it.</p>
<p>Why? Because it would open a whole can of worms with those in the Service of the Crown (Including Local Authorities) being charged under these sections of the Act.</p>
<p>Even the EFB in my view comes into the category of a group of Members Of Parliament  endeavouring to pass into Law an Act that advantages themselves to the disadvantage of others. Show me where I am wromg in this assumption?</p>
<p>Joe Blogg offends and is hauled up in front ot the &#8220;Beak&#8221; by police. Discrimination? Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Insolent Prick</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358145</link>
		<dc:creator>Insolent Prick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woger/Phillip John:

Amusing that you raise the 1993 election result as an example of parties acting against public wishes.  You claim that National attracted 36% of the vote, as opposed to the combined 50% of Labour/Alliance vote under FPP.

Except the Labour/Alliance vote wasn&#039;t a voting bloc, Woger.  Jim Anderton agreed not to bring down Jim Bolger&#039;s government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woger/Phillip John:</p>
<p>Amusing that you raise the 1993 election result as an example of parties acting against public wishes.  You claim that National attracted 36% of the vote, as opposed to the combined 50% of Labour/Alliance vote under FPP.</p>
<p>Except the Labour/Alliance vote wasn&#8217;t a voting bloc, Woger.  Jim Anderton agreed not to bring down Jim Bolger&#8217;s government.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank.</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358144</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPC: Helen&#039;s Paintergate Complaint was the result of a citizens complaint.
He had read about about it in a report in the Dominion.

In his simple 2 line complaint, he stated this. Police acted on it to the extent of 260 pages of A4 and found a prima facie case of forgery against her. Police Commissioner Rob Robinson said he wouln&#039;t prosecute her &quot;As it was not in the public interest.&quot;

I complained of Helen Clark&#039;s misappropriation of her Leader&#039;s funds to the Police Commissioner under the Sections of the Crime&#039;s Act applicable to Members of Parliament.

That would have been throwing the cat among the pigeons? No wonder the Police Commissioner buried it?

Talk about a corrupt Commissioner&#039;s Office and a corrupt prime Minister?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPC: Helen&#8217;s Paintergate Complaint was the result of a citizens complaint.<br />
He had read about about it in a report in the Dominion.</p>
<p>In his simple 2 line complaint, he stated this. Police acted on it to the extent of 260 pages of A4 and found a prima facie case of forgery against her. Police Commissioner Rob Robinson said he wouln&#8217;t prosecute her &#8220;As it was not in the public interest.&#8221;</p>
<p>I complained of Helen Clark&#8217;s misappropriation of her Leader&#8217;s funds to the Police Commissioner under the Sections of the Crime&#8217;s Act applicable to Members of Parliament.</p>
<p>That would have been throwing the cat among the pigeons? No wonder the Police Commissioner buried it?</p>
<p>Talk about a corrupt Commissioner&#8217;s Office and a corrupt prime Minister?</p>
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		<title>By: toms</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358143</link>
		<dc:creator>toms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, National party supporters are kind of like All Black fans who vehemently insist they have the best team even though they can&#039;t win the competition that counts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, National party supporters are kind of like All Black fans who vehemently insist they have the best team even though they can&#8217;t win the competition that counts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peak Oil Conspiracy</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358115</link>
		<dc:creator>Peak Oil Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPC:

An interesting analysis.  But, for myself, I&#039;d stop at the political accountability stage (Helen Clark being mindful of the public perception if she does nothing).  You, like many others, seem to go further and characterise MPs as role models.  Personally, I don&#039;t see them that way, though they could certainly lift their game.   People say they want a representative democracy.  So, for better or worse, they get it.  Along with the biffo boys.  And the skeletons in the closet too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPC:</p>
<p>An interesting analysis.  But, for myself, I&#8217;d stop at the political accountability stage (Helen Clark being mindful of the public perception if she does nothing).  You, like many others, seem to go further and characterise MPs as role models.  Personally, I don&#8217;t see them that way, though they could certainly lift their game.   People say they want a representative democracy.  So, for better or worse, they get it.  Along with the biffo boys.  And the skeletons in the closet too.</p>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358114</link>
		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank

People are encouraged to report wrong doing, the problem in this case is that none of those doing so was a witness to what happened.  They can offer no evidence of an assault. The police, from the same media heresay, only know that the alleged victim of an assault had been engaged in some verbals and then willingly stepped outside with him (though apparently not with any intent to have a physical fight over it) - and was not laying a complaint. 

One can guess, but maybe Mr Henare will not be stepping out with Mr Mallard to deal with any further issues of this sort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank</p>
<p>People are encouraged to report wrong doing, the problem in this case is that none of those doing so was a witness to what happened.  They can offer no evidence of an assault. The police, from the same media heresay, only know that the alleged victim of an assault had been engaged in some verbals and then willingly stepped outside with him (though apparently not with any intent to have a physical fight over it) &#8211; and was not laying a complaint. </p>
<p>One can guess, but maybe Mr Henare will not be stepping out with Mr Mallard to deal with any further issues of this sort.</p>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358112</link>
		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for assaults not resulting in charges - it&#039;s not that uncommon (consider sports games - it&#039;s understand that such matters come under the jursidiction of the referee and disciplinary bodies). Where it occurs in the workplace of employer and employee similarly much of the time, it&#039;s dealt with internally unless the victim wants to lay charges. Here the matter is not necessarily an employee behaviour issue though, politicians do not come into this category. 

The media is reporting it as if the PM is an employer (by choice) of a Cabinet Minister. But this confuses executive government with MP&#039;s in their role in parliament. Ultimately this could be a matter for the PC of the House IF anyone wants to refer it. Though politically pressure is on the PM to expect standards of the Cabinet Ministers (in the rest of the life including as MP&#039;s in parliement) given government anti-violence policy etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for assaults not resulting in charges &#8211; it&#8217;s not that uncommon (consider sports games &#8211; it&#8217;s understand that such matters come under the jursidiction of the referee and disciplinary bodies). Where it occurs in the workplace of employer and employee similarly much of the time, it&#8217;s dealt with internally unless the victim wants to lay charges. Here the matter is not necessarily an employee behaviour issue though, politicians do not come into this category. </p>
<p>The media is reporting it as if the PM is an employer (by choice) of a Cabinet Minister. But this confuses executive government with MP&#8217;s in their role in parliament. Ultimately this could be a matter for the PC of the House IF anyone wants to refer it. Though politically pressure is on the PM to expect standards of the Cabinet Ministers (in the rest of the life including as MP&#8217;s in parliement) given government anti-violence policy etc.</p>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358109</link>
		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krazy Kiwi wrote 

&quot;Just checked with the CEO of a professional services firm where I’m consulting; If an employee biffed another onsite and during work hours then he/she would be instantly dismissed if (a) it was a serious injury-inducing offence or (b) a second less serious offence. Why is Mallard still employed?&quot;

What serious injury? What first offence? 

It&#039;s all Foreman, Ali talk and slap and tickle on the ground. This was no rumble in the jungle, no thrilla in Manilla. Case closed newspapers folded. Walk away and row out onto the lake and have a nice day on full pay. I expect Tau will get a note saying, thanks Tau I feel much better now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krazy Kiwi wrote </p>
<p>&#8220;Just checked with the CEO of a professional services firm where I’m consulting; If an employee biffed another onsite and during work hours then he/she would be instantly dismissed if (a) it was a serious injury-inducing offence or (b) a second less serious offence. Why is Mallard still employed?&#8221;</p>
<p>What serious injury? What first offence? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all Foreman, Ali talk and slap and tickle on the ground. This was no rumble in the jungle, no thrilla in Manilla. Case closed newspapers folded. Walk away and row out onto the lake and have a nice day on full pay. I expect Tau will get a note saying, thanks Tau I feel much better now.</p>
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		<title>By: Peak Oil Conspiracy</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358104</link>
		<dc:creator>Peak Oil Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillip John/Roger Nome:

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As for predicting electoral victory based on a poll a whole year from election day - well of course that’s impossible
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So when you&#039;ve been beating the Labour victory drum these past few days, it&#039;s just been bluster from you then?

I don&#039;t particularly care much for National these days as they seem to have forgotten their basic principles.  It&#039;s just too easy for left-leaning parties to play the lolly scramble game - leaving taxpayer muggins to foot the bill post-election.  Voters have short memories - and they&#039;ll get the government they deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip John/Roger Nome:</p>
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As for predicting electoral victory based on a poll a whole year from election day &#8211; well of course that’s impossible
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<p>So when you&#8217;ve been beating the Labour victory drum these past few days, it&#8217;s just been bluster from you then?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t particularly care much for National these days as they seem to have forgotten their basic principles.  It&#8217;s just too easy for left-leaning parties to play the lolly scramble game &#8211; leaving taxpayer muggins to foot the bill post-election.  Voters have short memories &#8211; and they&#8217;ll get the government they deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: The Natural Party of opposition</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Natural Party of opposition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fucking great formatter I am</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fucking great formatter I am</p>
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		<title>By: The Natural Party of opposition</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/what_the_bloggers_say.html#comment-358100</link>
		<dc:creator>The Natural Party of opposition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got this from &quot;The standard&quot; Lab first  Green 2nd  with combined
All pollsl just prior to last election

Election Result .........................................   41.1       GR     5.3 = 46.4
Morgan poll      .......................................    38.5      GR    7.5 = 46.0
Herald Digipoll  .......................................... 44.6     GR    4.6 = 49.2
1 News/Colmar ..........................................38.0      GR    5.0 = 43.0
3 News/TNS ...............................................40.5      GR    6.9 = 47.4
Fairfax/Neilson........................................... 37.0     GR     6.0 = 43.0

Latest Morgan  Oct 2007..............................39.0     GR     7.5 = 46.5

Seems to me that Morgan and TNS have it susssed
Labour and Green Share between 46 and 47% of the vote


Thanks Robert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got this from &#8220;The standard&#8221; Lab first  Green 2nd  with combined<br />
All pollsl just prior to last election</p>
<p>Election Result &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..   41.1       GR     5.3 = 46.4<br />
Morgan poll      &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;    38.5      GR    7.5 = 46.0<br />
Herald Digipoll  &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; 44.6     GR    4.6 = 49.2<br />
1 News/Colmar &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;38.0      GR    5.0 = 43.0<br />
3 News/TNS &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..40.5      GR    6.9 = 47.4<br />
Fairfax/Neilson&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. 37.0     GR     6.0 = 43.0</p>
<p>Latest Morgan  Oct 2007&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;39.0     GR     7.5 = 46.5</p>
<p>Seems to me that Morgan and TNS have it susssed<br />
Labour and Green Share between 46 and 47% of the vote</p>
<p>Thanks Robert</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have perfectly sound reasons not to take any poll particularly seriously, and anyone who is ordering the victory champers on the basis of polls have learned absolutely nothing.&quot;

DPF tonight agreed with me that TNS and Roy Morgan were usually pretty accurate. So these are the ones to watch. As for predicting electoral victory based on a poll a whole year from election day - well of course that&#039;s impossible, though I do think that National&#039;s going to be hard pressed to get over that 47% it needs to govern. That&#039;s why I think the left-block is still odds on to win next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have perfectly sound reasons not to take any poll particularly seriously, and anyone who is ordering the victory champers on the basis of polls have learned absolutely nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>DPF tonight agreed with me that TNS and Roy Morgan were usually pretty accurate. So these are the ones to watch. As for predicting electoral victory based on a poll a whole year from election day &#8211; well of course that&#8217;s impossible, though I do think that National&#8217;s going to be hard pressed to get over that 47% it needs to govern. That&#8217;s why I think the left-block is still odds on to win next year.</p>
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