Who got what
October 31st, 2007 at 12:49 pm by David FarrarShane Jones, Maryan Street and Steve Chadwick all go into Cabinet with Clark sacking Mark Burton.
Darren Hughes replaces Dover Samuels as a Minister outside Cabinet.
Mallard is back to the second row and loses economic development, sport and RWC.
Hodgson loses health.
UPDATE: Now have the full list.
The two new front benchers are Chris Carter and David Cunliffe. Note I was one of the very few predicting Carter would get Education and the front bench.
Cunliffe gets health – wow a huge challenge. He also keeps Comms/IT which I’m pleased with.
Cullen gets Treaty Negotiations from Burton. Good – we may see some progress.
Goff, not Cosgrove, gets Corrections. Safe.
Parker is No 13 now, and gets State Services.
The under used Annette King gets Justice. Her and Goff will be a lot stronger than Burton and O’Connor.
Mallard drops to No 10 and gets Labour, Broadcasting and the Environment.
Dyson, as expected, picks up Social Development.
Cosgrove gets Immigration and Sport.
The newbies are Steve Chadwick with Conservation and Women’s Affairs.
Street gets Housing and ACC.
Surprisingly Jones doesn’t get much – Building Issues and a couple of Associates.
Good old Darren Hughes gets Statistics and some Associates. I think he’ll manage 
This is definitely the most extensive of Clark’s reshuffles. Partly through necessity, not choice. Still somewhat timid in some areas. Interesting that Goff wasn’t moved into more major domestic portfolios.
I think they should have promoted Shane Jones up further and given him weightier portfolios. Also Charles Chauvel I am sure would be capable of holding a more demanding portfolio than Statistics.
Cunliffe in Health is a gutsy move. Also dropping Burton can only be applauded.
Overall it should be somewhat successful. The law & order team is stronger. A new person in Health has been given the chance. Carter should do fine in Education, albeit I’ll hate his policies.
Mallard “demotion” is almost laughable though. They’ve actually increased his workload and given him more important portfolios, and left him at the highest place possible on the second row.
Finally you have to feel for any Labour backbenchers not selected, who will be looking at the fact that Judith Tizard is going stay a Minister for the entire nine years, while they don’t even get a look in!
Tags: Labour
October 31st, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Burton’s gone for a ….burton
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:00 pm
This doesn’t seem to tally with your predictions David. Insider cred, anyone?
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:04 pm
Out with the tossers in with the retards.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:04 pm
Mary ann Street is the bolter by the looks of it
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:05 pm
Tane, you must have missed linking to your accurate predictions on The Average?
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:06 pm
The inhumanity! The Beast has certainly taken to mallard with the long wood.
No reduction in pay and perks, loses sport (not much left to junket on in the run down to election anyway) and loses RWC ministry! Sigh of relief I would imagine seeing as how he has fucked the whole thing up over Eden Park.
There you go, punch people in the face in the workplace with impunity everybody.
Tane, aren’t you same troll who was claiming DPF did not understand the internal workings of labour? You can hardly dis him for wrong calls when you have already vomited forth on his lack of insider knowledge.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:06 pm
David – what happened to your “hot-pick” right-wing Cunliff – According to you he was the most likely to get promoted? So you think that the right-wing Phil Goff is a shoe-in as Labour’s next leader? Do I see a trend here? Would I be right to say that your predictions are based on how much you want them to be true, rather than how likely they are to be true?
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:06 pm
How come we have a minister of womens Affairs called Steve?
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:07 pm
It is Ok.
That is effectively what Clark has said.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:08 pm
I thought it tallied quite well.
Burton gone? What does this signify, especially with regard to the EFB?
Suprised that the minister for Police and Justice is now the same person. I would have thought that the roles would have required a bit more separation than that, but then this is the same mob that made the minister of defence the minister for disarmament.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Tane, you must have missed linking to your accurate predictions on The Average?
Yeah, I did. Don’t want to be a link whore to The Standard or anything, but seeing as you asked:
http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=590
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:11 pm
How come we have a minister of womens Affairs called Steve?
It worked for Fleetwood Mac.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:13 pm
Who cares The lot of them will be occupying the Opposition benches in 12 months or less .
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Ministerial Numbers – 26 (incl anderton, but not peters and dunne)
Labour+poodle MPs: – 50
So greater than 50% are ministers – talk about a loyalty scheme – its better than flybuys!
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:18 pm
God you are idiots Tane and Roger Gnome. Cunliffe made the front bench and got a huge portfolio. Also I think I was the only commentator who picked C Carter to get Education and Front Bench.
The two people I ranked most likely for front bench both made it. That’s 100%.
The three I picked as most likely for Cabinet all made it.
The only one out of order was me placing Chauvel above Hughes. I can live with that.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Tane: This doesn’t seem to tally with your predictions David. Insider cred, anyone?
Surely, Tane, you have missed the opportunity to point out that the incorrect predictions (if they are) are actually part of a wider conspiracy carried out by DPF at the behest of his invisible masters.
Have another go. Start with your usual: “What’s your game, DPF?” Finish with a: “you’re better than that!”
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Roger “According to you he was the most likely to get promoted? So you think that the right-wing Phil Goff is a shoe-in as Labour’s next leader? Do I see a trend here? Would I be right to say that your predictions are based on how much you want them to be true, rather than how likely they are to be true?”
No no you are off-message! You must insist that there are no divisions within the Labour party! Report for re-training immediately!
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:21 pm
Mike moore on Radio NZ said we had the biggest cabinet in proportion to members in the world excepting Tonga or the Cook Islands.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Tane, you must have missed linking to your accurate predictions on The Average?
Yeah, I did. Don’t want to be a link whore to The Standard or anything, but seeing as you asked:
I dont see any predictions in that thread.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:23 pm
DPF – I commented about Cunliffe <b>before</b><b> your “update” – so excuse me, if i was a bit premature on that one. BTW I still think your Goff prediction is more fantasy than informed opinion, but we’ll see about that.</b>
DPF: I don’t want Goff as Labour Leader. I would much rather Maharey or Mallard took over one day from Clark. He is no fantasy of mine – more a potential nightmare]
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:24 pm
Stop shouting, roger nome.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:25 pm
I commented about Cunliffe before your “update” – so excuse me, if i was a bit premature on that one. BTW I still think your Goff prediction is more fantasy than informed opinion, but we’ll see about that.
Doesnt you browser display Stuff, NZHerald or google?
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:26 pm
A King in Justice
Shows exactly how important the EFB is to Labour’s re-election. Critical.
But can she pick it up and run with the hot potato without getting personally burnt to a crisp?
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:28 pm
Nice one nome.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:30 pm
insider
Unless I’m very much mistaken , parliamentary pensions are based on the highest position held.
Besides the perks for Ministers (and Associate Ministers and Deputy Associate Ministers and deputy’s to the Associate Ministers) are much much higher than for back benchers.
Houses, cars, electorate expenses, assistants, researchers, etc all come with the title. Share it round I say..
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:30 pm
“Her and Goff will be a lot stronger than Burton and O’Connor.”
DPF, such terrible grammar . ‘Her’ is an object pronoun, not a subject. Tch tch.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:30 pm
I see there is no more Minister for Auckland Issues. Poor old overworked Judith … back to the knitting perhaps!
Its official. Labour has abandoned Auckland.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:31 pm
Well Annette has her experience with the Complementary medicines bill to fall back on
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:31 pm
Mallard now the boss of TVNZ and National Radio. Justice served.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:32 pm
Interesting that the ministers of Social Development, Education and Health have more Ministerial portfolos AND are lower ranked than the Minister of Maori Affairs
The Associate Ministers of Education and Social Development are ranked higher than the actual minister. Pity the Deputy Prime Minister is ranked below the PM.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:34 pm
King is both Min of Justice and Min of Police …… WTF?
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:37 pm
As I recall seeing on Stuff Judith Tizard is no longer Minister Of Auckland Affairs. Does this position not now exist?
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:38 pm
DPF
I think it is offensive to refer to the Judith Tizard as remaining in Cabinet for 9 years.
She is and alwayas has been ” a hard working a consortiencous minister”
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:39 pm
“…Judith Tizard is going stay a Minister for the entire nine years, while they don’t even get a look in!”
She obviously raised sucking up to the boss to a new level.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:39 pm
Nome said “excuse me if I was a but premature…”
Typical. too stupid to check his facts before he goes off and insults someone. What a fantastic display of bad manners and plain old ignorance from the pathetic as ever roger nome.
Of course DPF, it’s all your fault, you didn’t give roger all the facts before he started shooting his mouth off.
Of course, to quote roger, he only comes here because he “likes kicking Tory butt”, What a fine job he is doing today.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Clearly National has been getting runs on the board in a number of important areas. Most notably Health where Ryall has got on top of Hodgsen, Education where Rich was outgunning Mahery and Social Welafre where Benson-Pope is a failure. In the Justice area Burton and O’Connor were clearly poor performers. Now King has to front the Democracy Suppression Bill. But no real change in Finance except Goff has been made an associate which may be signal of things to come though she has given herself other options there as well.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:41 pm
I don’t understand how the f**k Clark can justify ranking Tizard ahead of Chauvel.
Unbelievable.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:44 pm
# Wodger127
“Ministerial Numbers – 26 (incl anderton, but not peters and dunne)
Labour+poodle MPs: – 50
So greater than 50% are ministers – talk about a loyalty scheme – its better than flybuys!”
- Wodger127, that is because Cabinet collective responsibility binds those 25 Labour MPs to vote together in caucus. Hence any decision that cabinet makes will automatically pass through caucus.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Annette king is now Minister of Police, Minister of justice AND Minister responsible for the Law Commission.
I would have thought that the roles of these jobs ideally requires a degree of separation that would necessitate having different personnel in charge of these ministries.
Imagine if the commissioner of Police was also the chief justice? We would not accept this. Now with King taking the trifecta so to speak, this needs to be seen in context with the upcoming legislative programme. This leaves me very uncomfortable.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:50 pm
Was driving behind a Ministerial crown car as it approached an electorate Mps office in Auckland.
Vote:Strangely instead of going in the driveway, the car stopped one house short !
Did the occupant not want to announce the fact of arriving by chauffer limo?
Cant have the electorate MP in qestion who was one of the winners in the shuffle but was allready a minister
October 31st, 2007 at 1:51 pm
Good point G.
A question – what is the “Minister of State” responsible for exactly?
The beehive site shows 3 speeches this year, and no press releases since August 2006. Not exactly high profile for Mita Ririnui then?
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Well it really is Halloween!!!!!!!!!! Same old faces, new masks.
>^.^
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Judith Tizard is a Minister outside of Cabinet I believe.Imagine the confusion with two Ms Streets living together in same house and working for same Boss. I guess it`s a case of H1 &H2 ringing S1 & S2.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 2:01 pm
slightyslighty – the commissioner of police is a member of the Executive and a public servant, the chief justice is a member of the judicary and a judge – they’re different branches of governemtn so yes it would be a problem if the same perosn held the two positions…
but its not at all analogous to a Minister holding several portfolios on related topics…. a minister cannot influence operational issues anyway, they only direct policy so it doens’t matter if the operational side of the portfolios they have a seperate… its not uncommon for minsiters to hold conservation and enivronment or defence, trade, and disarmement.
G- are you also one of those people who wnat to decrease MP numbers?
James W – becuase Chavuel only came into Parlaiment midway through this term, and has never held a ministerial warrent.. Mallard is enourmously experienced.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Does Helen have something against Tim Barnett? I’m just curious as to why he’s been passed over for cabinet positions for so long.
Did he do something bad to Helen?
Is he unpopular in caucus?
I had the impression he was seen as competent.
Maybe I’m missing something really obvious…
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 2:08 pm
hey helmet – good to see you’re nurturing your personal obsession with me. Still bitter and lonely I take it?
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 2:10 pm
I’m interested if anyone can do a tally on how many gay mp’s are now ministers.
I’m not anti gay but I get the sense that as a group they are now way over-represented in this reshuffle.
Does anyone know the figures
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 2:11 pm
Maryanne Street, Chris Carter, Charles Chauvel…..
Furniture analogy here, but in order to get IN to the CABINET, is it easier if you get OUT of the CLOSET?
Memo to Judith, take note!
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Tane and Rogered by a Gnome – what kindergarten did you two escape from ? Not even an attempt to be pseudo intellectual in your reasoning. Go and play somewhere else. As for the reshuffle, the ship is still on course and the iceberg is just as big
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 2:13 pm
According to Colin Espiner
“Christchurch Central MP Tim Barnett has said he will not stand again for the seat – despite telling The Press yesterday that he definitely was.”
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 2:15 pm
Roger said “Still bitter and lonely I take it?”
you bet, and really really ugly too, let’s not forget.
You were being a prick, you look stupid now, take it like a man.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 2:41 pm
One obvious one missed: Rick “The Dick” Barker must have compromising photos of his Leader because that waste of oxygen gets to stay…
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 2:53 pm
I think that it is areal shame that Tim Barnett has not been a cabinet minister. Hes gay too so he should have had an OUTside chance.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 2:53 pm
“G- are you also one of those people who wnat to decrease MP numbers?”
The opposite. I say 161 MPs. That way there is no possible way in which Cabinet can dominate caucus, so there will be no point in trying. I caucus of say 67 MPs (which is roughly what Labour would have) would need 34 ministers which would be unacceptable to the public. Hence there would be no point trying to do it and the ministerial numbers would be around 15ish.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 2:55 pm
G – glad to see you’re consistent on that.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 3:10 pm
G -
Wouldn’t bank on the public keeping (particularly this Labour) Government in check.
Wasn’t so many years ago that 20 people holding warrants was unthinkable. Then we saw the proliferation of ministries and the proliferation of Ministers without portfolio and the proliferation of Associate Ministers not to mention the ultimate absurdity which is Ministers outside Cabinet and suddenly you get a majority of Caucus is bound by Cabinet’s rules.
Turn over any rock in Wellington and you can find a Minister skulking around trying not to get noticed.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 3:22 pm
I guess it`s a case of H1 &H2 ringing S1 & S2
Vote:gee, its the queersome foursome…
October 31st, 2007 at 3:31 pm
DPF
Your predictions were excellent. Pity the likes of Tane can’t ever be honest before being partisan. No wonder he gets ignored even when he has a valid point to make.
Tane
You are very sad Tane !
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 3:35 pm
fearsome queersome?
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 4:10 pm
Why? I know we don’t agree on this, but IMO Shane Jones has been over-hyped, not really delivered and really needs to show he’s got the talent to back up the engorged sense of entitlement.
Otherwise, I wasn’t really surprised (either positively or negatively) by the re-shuffle itself; the real test is whether the newbies perform. And there’s plenty of rising stars in the political graveyard who fizzled out as soon as the pressure came on.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 5:07 pm
I agree, Craig. Shane Jones is a pompous git. He always talks as if he’s just come out of oral surgery. He’s an arrogant lightweight.
Yet he is the best that Labour’s Maori caucus has, by a long, long way.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 8:51 pm
What a laugh Duckman is Minister of Labour!!!
Wonder what his policy on violence in the workplace will be??
hahahahaha
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 9:04 pm
“Wonder what his policy on violence in the workplace will be??”
Mallard has just shown us that violence and thuggery is acceptable behaviour in the Highest Court in the land = Parliament . Look out judge next time I appear, as they will get the step outside clever trevor treatment . Fairs fair mad speak and your honour !!
Politicians think they are not accountable under human law and that really ticks me off ! I don’t like double standards from a stroppy duck billed wombat.
When a problem comes along clever trevor , you just can’t whip it into shape unless you’re DBP – then you can whip it – whip it hard , whip it good .
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 9:16 pm
it is interesting and surprising to note that some of the commenters on this blog who regularly threaten violence against other commenters are quite incensed over the alleged Mallard assault….
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 9:54 pm
Craig R, I can’t make a judgement yet on Shane Jones, but I agree with your latter point. The new line-up should be treated over time not as a beauty parade but as a test of individual and collective competence. We live in hope.
My criticism of the reshuffle relates to the governance conflicts inherited by Annette King – Police, Justice, and Minister responsible for the Law Commission. I suppose that when a Government is as negligent as this one has been towards constitutional propriety, we shouldn’t be surprised at yet another rebuff to constitutional convention.
Talking of conflicts, Annette King also has Transport. How well does that muddy the waters of the NZ Police effectively having two operational paymasters – the police vote itself, and contract “enforcement” income from the land safety quango? That inbuilt mechanism has progressively blunted the duty of the Police to prioritise available resources to achieve the greatest public good across the whole Police mandate of crime prevention and law enforcement.
It is high time that, in the interests of Police freedom from political intereference, the Police received a single operational vote and made its own management decisions on deployment priorities.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 9:54 pm
I heard Shane responding to a question posed by a TV3 microphone holder. Something along the lines of what it would be required of him to be a ‘good’ cabinet minister. He grinned his way through a catalog of terms including ‘hard work’ and ‘loyalty’ (of course…) but i didn’t hear ‘honesty’ or ‘integrity’. to be fair the latter two aren’t high on too many polititians’ lists of important values which is a shame for nz.
Vote:October 31st, 2007 at 10:20 pm
Why are the so called Political Reporters so shit scared to ask probing questions in situations like this, are they dumb,frightened to miss out on the junkets,frightened to show how ignorant they are or a combination of all these? What an anti climax, they had 3-4 hours to put together what turned out to be 3-4 minutes of smily dick licking, and then onto serious shit like Robbie Deans future in coaching. Why am I still paying for Jim Anderton`s favours to Helen Clark, the prick gets Party[joke]Leaders perks and front bench salary for doing sfa.Roll on the election.
Vote:November 1st, 2007 at 1:51 am
It’s interesting they have given the hard core portfolios like housing, education and ACC to such hard left socialists like Carter and Street.
Vote:November 1st, 2007 at 4:20 am
It is interesting that liarbour have introduced new portfolios into the house , as you have the Minister of slavery Fatty Field , Minister of foul language Smarmy Maharey , and lest we never forget the Minister of Biff – Clever Trevor Duck, Minister of Hairdressers – Ms King who all are under the watchful eye of a vicious vulture who sits at the top of the liarbour food chain . Any scraps are welcome . Whack -smack Trev will sort you out !! Roll up and join the most corrupt political party ever too have disgraced our shores .
Vote:November 1st, 2007 at 9:36 am
We are a nation of 4 million. We need 120 politicians to govern us. The minority major party of the government has then found it necessary to appoint 26 of their number to ministerial/associate ministerial positions plus they have added a couple of fellow travellers to ensure they maintain power. These 28 now take on 114 minister/associate minister appointments.
All of these appointments must have appropriate trappings/baubles of power. Bit of a Savoy opera/comedy isn’t it.
Look at Arts Culture, Heritage, Library, Sport, Racing, (All I would argue have a culture/arts/heritage connection). We have eight ministerial appointments just for this lot.
But then they are all “hard working and concientious ministers”
Talk about a flat mangement structure
Vote:November 1st, 2007 at 4:27 pm
Im not going to comment on the rubbish soft handed labour party members ruling us(garbage) ,DONT FORGET ABOUT THE HELEN CLARK /ROBERT MUGABE , ELECTROL REFORM BILL , which will close these blogg down ,and give that lying ugly witch a chance to rule us,by decree, IM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE AIRBRUSHED NEW FACE of the witch , GOD can a computer cope,helen as as a pretty lady (yer right)gag ugh J
Vote:November 1st, 2007 at 4:32 pm
DPF – Why does dad get to post with multiple user-names? It just doesn’t seem fair.
Vote:November 1st, 2007 at 4:47 pm
Robinsod . DAVID probably knows im redneck etc sorry in my previous post, i should have said ELECTROL FINANCE BILL,so dont accuse me of being d4J ,that would show you as a stupid LEFTIE, opps lefties are stupid , LOVE SHOUTING, YOU HAVE TO AT TIMES .,ps loved that right wing HARD judge frontpage 1.11 07, HANG EM
Vote:November 1st, 2007 at 4:56 pm
John/Dad whomever/whatever you are. I somehow doubt I am more stupid than you and what makes you think I’m a “leftie”?
Vote:November 1st, 2007 at 4:59 pm
read the DominionPost to see what a judge under Mr Key would do to the usless shitters in this world, Front page , D4J sorry for giving you heat but the left bloggers are the result of our modern education system,.Signing your name J (John) the brain cell deficiant think im you , ,im John ,Formally redneck, MR I,P Freely and various others , but John is my name ,, ps i think D4J lives in another city
Vote:November 1st, 2007 at 5:11 pm
John – I have a particularly good education and can punctuate. Not withstanding that I believe my possession of opposable thumbs may be all I need to get a good head start on you and Dad.
Vote:November 1st, 2007 at 5:45 pm
I love it when one human makes out hes brighter than another human , hitler did that , my point, im me and d4j is he , and if i cannot post without smartmouth comments ,i will react, ps you are probably a very level headed person ,good on you, good education , maybe, why if my posts seem similar to( D4J) ,WHY you need to comment on MY right to post.J
Vote:November 1st, 2007 at 5:47 pm
Sorry John, I was only reacting to you calling me stupid. If you say you’re not Dad that’s fine by me.
Vote:November 1st, 2007 at 5:52 pm
Thanks, thats alright. J.
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