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	<title>Comments on: 19 problems still remaining with the Electoral Finance Bill</title>
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		<title>By: Max Call</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/19_problems_still_remaining_with_the_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-369678</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another possible problem (Problem 20?)
http://www.publicaddress.net/system/topic,839,hard_news_looking_for_monsters.sm
look at comments from Tim McKenzie and Graeme Edgeler
quite funny if true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another possible problem (Problem 20?)<br />
<a href="http://www.publicaddress.net/system/topic,839,hard_news_looking_for_monsters.sm" rel="nofollow">http://www.publicaddress.net/system/topic,839,hard_news_looking_for_monsters.sm</a><br />
look at comments from Tim McKenzie and Graeme Edgeler<br />
quite funny if true!</p>
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		<title>By: Peak Oil Conspiracy</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/19_problems_still_remaining_with_the_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-369580</link>
		<dc:creator>Peak Oil Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pascal:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
It’s taken a long time, but finally their economy with the truth is starting to surface in the public arena.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, no no - reality has a left-wing bias, remember?  So either we&#039;re lying, or discussing the EFB simply isn&#039;t in the public interest.

I agree that Sam&#039;s defence of the EFB was half-hearted.  And if you&#039;re reading this, Sam, saying one has a law degree isn&#039;t a bus-ticket to credibility either - unless you write something sensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pascal:</p>
<blockquote><p>
It’s taken a long time, but finally their economy with the truth is starting to surface in the public arena.
</p></blockquote>
<p>No, no no &#8211; reality has a left-wing bias, remember?  So either we&#8217;re lying, or discussing the EFB simply isn&#8217;t in the public interest.</p>
<p>I agree that Sam&#8217;s defence of the EFB was half-hearted.  And if you&#8217;re reading this, Sam, saying one has a law degree isn&#8217;t a bus-ticket to credibility either &#8211; unless you write something sensible.</p>
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		<title>By: Spam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Issues that I see:

1.) 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Justice Minister Annette King said the revised period was &quot;transparent and fair&quot; because the previous three-month limit often left parties guessing when it would start if the Prime Minister had not announced an election date.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Letting the Prime Minister plan when the election is going to be held is problematic, in that it favours the encumbant.  Possible fix: Amend the bill to have the period regulated back to 3-months, but the Prime Minister must set the date prior to Jan 1st of the election year.

2.)  The government will crank-up &quot;policy awareness advertising&quot;, as we have seen in 2005, and as we will see again next year.  This is not just policy awareness - its brand awareness.  The ads say one thing (Kiwisaver, WFF, Health policy etc), and Labour then &#039;identifies&#039; themselves with this.  Again, skews the playing field towards the encumbant.  Possible Fix:  Cap government spending on policy awareness to be no more than the minimum of the previous two years.  That way, the spend can&#039;t escalate in election year - it must be static throughout the electoral cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Issues that I see:</p>
<p>1.) </p>
<blockquote><p>Justice Minister Annette King said the revised period was &#8220;transparent and fair&#8221; because the previous three-month limit often left parties guessing when it would start if the Prime Minister had not announced an election date.</p></blockquote>
<p>Letting the Prime Minister plan when the election is going to be held is problematic, in that it favours the encumbant.  Possible fix: Amend the bill to have the period regulated back to 3-months, but the Prime Minister must set the date prior to Jan 1st of the election year.</p>
<p>2.)  The government will crank-up &#8220;policy awareness advertising&#8221;, as we have seen in 2005, and as we will see again next year.  This is not just policy awareness &#8211; its brand awareness.  The ads say one thing (Kiwisaver, WFF, Health policy etc), and Labour then &#8216;identifies&#8217; themselves with this.  Again, skews the playing field towards the encumbant.  Possible Fix:  Cap government spending on policy awareness to be no more than the minimum of the previous two years.  That way, the spend can&#8217;t escalate in election year &#8211; it must be static throughout the electoral cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/19_problems_still_remaining_with_the_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-369452</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>POC: &lt;i&gt;Congratulations, DPF, on burying the garden gnome.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m actually much happier to see Sam &quot;I have a law degree&quot; Dixon slapped down by the person he was misquoting over from the Standard. It&#039;s taken a long time, but finally their economy with the truth is starting to surface in the public arena.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>POC: <i>Congratulations, DPF, on burying the garden gnome.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually much happier to see Sam &#8220;I have a law degree&#8221; Dixon slapped down by the person he was misquoting over from the Standard. It&#8217;s taken a long time, but finally their economy with the truth is starting to surface in the public arena.</p>
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		<title>By: Peak Oil Conspiracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peak Oil Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillip John/Roger Nome on another thread:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
DPF:

Could you do an update listing the specific page and/or section that you derive each of your assertions from? It would make it quicker to fact-check your claims.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

DPF on this thread (complete with cross-references to the EFB):

&lt;blockquote&gt;
There are probably more than this, but here’s an initial list of 19 problems with the revised Electoral Finance Bill:
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Phillip John/Roger Nome on this thread:

[nothing to say so far]

Congratulations, DPF, on burying the garden gnome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip John/Roger Nome on another thread:</p>
<blockquote><p>
DPF:</p>
<p>Could you do an update listing the specific page and/or section that you derive each of your assertions from? It would make it quicker to fact-check your claims.
</p></blockquote>
<p>DPF on this thread (complete with cross-references to the EFB):</p>
<blockquote><p>
There are probably more than this, but here’s an initial list of 19 problems with the revised Electoral Finance Bill:
</p></blockquote>
<p>Phillip John/Roger Nome on this thread:</p>
<p>[nothing to say so far]</p>
<p>Congratulations, DPF, on burying the garden gnome.</p>
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		<title>By: The Double Standard</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/19_problems_still_remaining_with_the_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-369327</link>
		<dc:creator>The Double Standard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be interesting to see the disclosure of Labour&#039;s funding next year - $800,000 is a lot of cash to collect. I wonder how much was donated anon. It&#039;s a good thing they got that in the door before shutting it - a case of shutting the door before the horse has bolted I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting to see the disclosure of Labour&#8217;s funding next year &#8211; $800,000 is a lot of cash to collect. I wonder how much was donated anon. It&#8217;s a good thing they got that in the door before shutting it &#8211; a case of shutting the door before the horse has bolted I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: toby1845</title>
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		<dc:creator>toby1845</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Kimble said, but double!

Ha ha ha.

Talking of Labour trolls, have either Judith Tizard or Maryan Street made any comment about last Saturday&#039;s march in Auckland yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Kimble said, but double!</p>
<p>Ha ha ha.</p>
<p>Talking of Labour trolls, have either Judith Tizard or Maryan Street made any comment about last Saturday&#8217;s march in Auckland yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/19_problems_still_remaining_with_the_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-369316</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a cut and paste from the TV3 website:

&quot;The days of the National party relying on millions of dollars of money from anonymous donations appear to be over. The controversial electoral finance bill has been reported back from select committee and it severely limits how much parties can fundraise through anonymous donations.&quot;

Not only is the tone biased in the extreme, and correct me if I&#039;m wrong here, but its also untrue as I understand that anonymous donations will still be allowed under the bill.
G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a cut and paste from the TV3 website:</p>
<p>&#8220;The days of the National party relying on millions of dollars of money from anonymous donations appear to be over. The controversial electoral finance bill has been reported back from select committee and it severely limits how much parties can fundraise through anonymous donations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not only is the tone biased in the extreme, and correct me if I&#8217;m wrong here, but its also untrue as I understand that anonymous donations will still be allowed under the bill.<br />
G</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/19_problems_still_remaining_with_the_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-369311</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Santa: &lt;i&gt;Is it possible we could get a 19 point rebuttal of Sam’s points?&lt;/i&gt;

If Sam had actually rebutted the points and backed up his assertions. You cannot simply write &quot;This is wrong.&quot; and &quot;No, doesn&#039;t work that way&quot; and count it as a serious rebuttal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Santa: <i>Is it possible we could get a 19 point rebuttal of Sam’s points?</i></p>
<p>If Sam had actually rebutted the points and backed up his assertions. You cannot simply write &#8220;This is wrong.&#8221; and &#8220;No, doesn&#8217;t work that way&#8221; and count it as a serious rebuttal.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/19_problems_still_remaining_with_the_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-369309</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe my opening words into a megaphone on 1 January next will be: &quot;My name is Go Fuck Yourself Labour.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe my opening words into a megaphone on 1 January next will be: &#8220;My name is Go Fuck Yourself Labour.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Double Standard</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/19_problems_still_remaining_with_the_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-369252</link>
		<dc:creator>The Double Standard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really is a waste of effort arguing with Sam. He is strictly here to troll and stir, and would be laughed out of Laws 101 in 5 minutes.

Every attempted rebuttal he posts is ridiculous and only shows his absolute committal to supporting Labour&#039;s attack on freedom in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is a waste of effort arguing with Sam. He is strictly here to troll and stir, and would be laughed out of Laws 101 in 5 minutes.</p>
<p>Every attempted rebuttal he posts is ridiculous and only shows his absolute committal to supporting Labour&#8217;s attack on freedom in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Right of way is Way of Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right of way is Way of Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth is generally the best vindication against slander. 

Abraham Lincoln

And enforced silence is the ONLY defence against lies!

ME!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth is generally the best vindication against slander. </p>
<p>Abraham Lincoln</p>
<p>And enforced silence is the ONLY defence against lies!</p>
<p>ME!</p>
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		<title>By: Kimble</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/19_problems_still_remaining_with_the_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-369241</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BAHAHAHHAHAAAA! A Standard Troll is complaining about thread jacking!

Priceless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BAHAHAHHAHAAAA! A Standard Troll is complaining about thread jacking!</p>
<p>Priceless!</p>
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		<title>By: Santa Claws</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/19_problems_still_remaining_with_the_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-369233</link>
		<dc:creator>Santa Claws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh well if that&#039;s all you mean good and well Toby, now would you like to talk about the EFB or are you just threadjacking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh well if that&#8217;s all you mean good and well Toby, now would you like to talk about the EFB or are you just threadjacking?</p>
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		<title>By: toby1845</title>
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		<dc:creator>toby1845</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Santa - that&#039;s a terrible thing to say. Of course I&#039;m not saying that. That&#039;s simply awful.

I think that its great that you enjoy helping children discover the joy of Christmas.  Those shiny, happy, innocent faces, pressing forward expectantly....Little hands, reaching and touching.....A few little elves, rummaging through your sack......maybe a polaroid of little Sarah with Santa, to go into Nana&#039;s Christmas stocking. Lovely!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Santa &#8211; that&#8217;s a terrible thing to say. Of course I&#8217;m not saying that. That&#8217;s simply awful.</p>
<p>I think that its great that you enjoy helping children discover the joy of Christmas.  Those shiny, happy, innocent faces, pressing forward expectantly&#8230;.Little hands, reaching and touching&#8230;..A few little elves, rummaging through your sack&#8230;&#8230;maybe a polaroid of little Sarah with Santa, to go into Nana&#8217;s Christmas stocking. Lovely!</p>
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		<title>By: kaykaybee</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/19_problems_still_remaining_with_the_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-369223</link>
		<dc:creator>kaykaybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Grant,

After that excuse for a report, I&#039;m going back to Granny One, shame on TV3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Grant,</p>
<p>After that excuse for a report, I&#8217;m going back to Granny One, shame on TV3</p>
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		<title>By: Santa Claws</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/19_problems_still_remaining_with_the_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-369219</link>
		<dc:creator>Santa Claws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m assuming by that Toby that you are implying accusations that I am a child molester? Please don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m assuming by that Toby that you are implying accusations that I am a child molester? Please don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/19_problems_still_remaining_with_the_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-369218</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toby, while this isn&#039;t a direct quote, the item lead with words to the effect that the National Party wont be able to take advantage of large anonymous donations in 2008 and also won&#039;t be able to benefit from Helen&#039;s scapegoats aka The Exclusive Brethren. I didnt watch much more than that as I was too disgusted.
G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toby, while this isn&#8217;t a direct quote, the item lead with words to the effect that the National Party wont be able to take advantage of large anonymous donations in 2008 and also won&#8217;t be able to benefit from Helen&#8217;s scapegoats aka The Exclusive Brethren. I didnt watch much more than that as I was too disgusted.<br />
G</p>
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		<title>By: toby1845</title>
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		<dc:creator>toby1845</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not accusing you of anything.  I&#039;m just wondering how the kiddies are.

I guess you&#039;ll be looking forward to &#039;hanging out at the Mall&#039; shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not accusing you of anything.  I&#8217;m just wondering how the kiddies are.</p>
<p>I guess you&#8217;ll be looking forward to &#8216;hanging out at the Mall&#8217; shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murray M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barnsley Bill @ 5.51pm
I&#039;ll be in Oz in 2008.  I was a soldier some years ago.  I swore an oath to protect this country from enemies both foreign and domestic.  I can no longer remain in this country bearing witness to what is happening.  NZ has become an international fucking joke.</description>
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I&#8217;ll be in Oz in 2008.  I was a soldier some years ago.  I swore an oath to protect this country from enemies both foreign and domestic.  I can no longer remain in this country bearing witness to what is happening.  NZ has become an international fucking joke.</p>
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