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		<title>By: slightlyrighty</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363576</link>
		<dc:creator>slightlyrighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philbest.

The change is happening.  I note that the socialists have been given the boot in France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philbest.</p>
<p>The change is happening.  I note that the socialists have been given the boot in France.</p>
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		<title>By: hoi polloi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363510</link>
		<dc:creator>hoi polloi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, go on Sam. Explain how Casual Watcher was being racist. My wife has English as a second language, but that&#039;s to be expected as she&#039;s Swedish, so I&#039;d like to know how he&#039;s being racist toward her.

Sam, you weren&#039;t inferring, in an off-hand way, that &#039;cw&#039; thinks that non-English speakers must be non-white (and therefore undesirable immigrants) were you? &#039;Cos that sounds a little racist in itself. On your part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, go on Sam. Explain how Casual Watcher was being racist. My wife has English as a second language, but that&#8217;s to be expected as she&#8217;s Swedish, so I&#8217;d like to know how he&#8217;s being racist toward her.</p>
<p>Sam, you weren&#8217;t inferring, in an off-hand way, that &#8216;cw&#8217; thinks that non-English speakers must be non-white (and therefore undesirable immigrants) were you? &#8216;Cos that sounds a little racist in itself. On your part.</p>
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		<title>By: side show bob</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363469</link>
		<dc:creator>side show bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t bother casual watcher they are not worth the effort, the bastards pretend to have half a brain but are in fact brainwashed lemmings to stupid and blind to see the evil that rules us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t bother casual watcher they are not worth the effort, the bastards pretend to have half a brain but are in fact brainwashed lemmings to stupid and blind to see the evil that rules us.</p>
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		<title>By: casual watcher</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363439</link>
		<dc:creator>casual watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam - open your eyes and ears - a different language does not necessarily come with different coloured skin. You are stereotyping and guilty of a very narrow line of thought. It seems your idealogy has limited your ability to think clearly and you are not getting out enough to realise just how diverse NZ has become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam &#8211; open your eyes and ears &#8211; a different language does not necessarily come with different coloured skin. You are stereotyping and guilty of a very narrow line of thought. It seems your idealogy has limited your ability to think clearly and you are not getting out enough to realise just how diverse NZ has become.</p>
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		<title>By: bwakile</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363429</link>
		<dc:creator>bwakile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam
Go and learn the true definition of racism not the PC crap that you obviously sponged up at school</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam<br />
Go and learn the true definition of racism not the PC crap that you obviously sponged up at school</p>
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		<title>By: Lee C</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363427</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should rename them the &#039;Narcoleptic Party&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should rename them the &#8216;Narcoleptic Party&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Dixon</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363426</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>casual watcher - &quot;Sam - pretty soon you are going to be the smartest guy left in the country and one of the few with English as a first language.&quot;

I like the racism that sneaks through in the end there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>casual watcher &#8211; &#8220;Sam &#8211; pretty soon you are going to be the smartest guy left in the country and one of the few with English as a first language.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like the racism that sneaks through in the end there.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well bwakile - It certainly had me going.  Great to see Key stepping up to th plate and putting it out there on the real important issues of the day.

Great to see him &#039;sticking it&#039; to Labour.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


When&#039;s your flight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well bwakile &#8211; It certainly had me going.  Great to see Key stepping up to th plate and putting it out there on the real important issues of the day.</p>
<p>Great to see him &#8217;sticking it&#8217; to Labour.</p>
<p>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz</p>
<p>When&#8217;s your flight?</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And along with Michael Moore, if you really think the way &quot;health&quot; works in the U.S.A. ISN&#039;T the best in the world at actually giving the most people treatment when they need it, you&#039;re the &quot;sicko&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And along with Michael Moore, if you really think the way &#8220;health&#8221; works in the U.S.A. ISN&#8217;T the best in the world at actually giving the most people treatment when they need it, you&#8217;re the &#8220;sicko&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wake up, rightwing conservatives. What is happening to democracy all over the western world is that leftwing politics has taken over the media and the education system, plus Socialists have become the &quot;natural party of government&quot; and 30-40% of voters are in their pockets and they know it. They can get away with gradual progression to dictatorship without any risk of losing this safe core vote. 

Bainamarama may introduce some sort of constitution in Fiji that actually prevents this integrally corrupt form of creeping totalitarianism by stealth.

There are parallels all over the place, that democracy isn&#039;t the solution any more. Lefty liberals love to tell us this about the Bush doctrine and US attempts to spread democracy in the Muslim world. Militant Islamist parties like Hamas are the natural party of government when the mass indoctrination of everyone with sharia law has preceded democracy by decades. Utterly corrupt socialist governments like those of Chavez in Venezuela, Quarase in Fiji and Clark in NZ are the parallels in the western world.

By the way, Winston Churchill always referred to the Labour Party as &quot;the Socialists&quot;, not the &quot;Labour party&quot;.

I think we&#039;re stuffed. What the Exclusive Brethren did at the last election was what the &quot;right wing&quot; should have been doing all along. But it was too little, far too late, and the wrong people to do it. Decent Kiwis only hope is that Aussie doesn&#039;t succumb, so we can escape there. Maybe Bainamarama&#039;s Fiji will be not a bad place either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wake up, rightwing conservatives. What is happening to democracy all over the western world is that leftwing politics has taken over the media and the education system, plus Socialists have become the &#8220;natural party of government&#8221; and 30-40% of voters are in their pockets and they know it. They can get away with gradual progression to dictatorship without any risk of losing this safe core vote. </p>
<p>Bainamarama may introduce some sort of constitution in Fiji that actually prevents this integrally corrupt form of creeping totalitarianism by stealth.</p>
<p>There are parallels all over the place, that democracy isn&#8217;t the solution any more. Lefty liberals love to tell us this about the Bush doctrine and US attempts to spread democracy in the Muslim world. Militant Islamist parties like Hamas are the natural party of government when the mass indoctrination of everyone with sharia law has preceded democracy by decades. Utterly corrupt socialist governments like those of Chavez in Venezuela, Quarase in Fiji and Clark in NZ are the parallels in the western world.</p>
<p>By the way, Winston Churchill always referred to the Labour Party as &#8220;the Socialists&#8221;, not the &#8220;Labour party&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re stuffed. What the Exclusive Brethren did at the last election was what the &#8220;right wing&#8221; should have been doing all along. But it was too little, far too late, and the wrong people to do it. Decent Kiwis only hope is that Aussie doesn&#8217;t succumb, so we can escape there. Maybe Bainamarama&#8217;s Fiji will be not a bad place either.</p>
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		<title>By: Right of way is Way of Right</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363416</link>
		<dc:creator>Right of way is Way of Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if anyone thinks Slightlyrighty and I have very similar stories, that would be because he and I are twins!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if anyone thinks Slightlyrighty and I have very similar stories, that would be because he and I are twins!</p>
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		<title>By: casual watcher</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363415</link>
		<dc:creator>casual watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam - pretty soon you are going to be the smartest guy left in the country and one of the few with English as a first language. Then you will very quickly find out whether the crap you advocate works in practice or not.

DPF - can you impart anything on National initiatives, thinking,  ...whatever !! Are they thinking about anything ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam &#8211; pretty soon you are going to be the smartest guy left in the country and one of the few with English as a first language. Then you will very quickly find out whether the crap you advocate works in practice or not.</p>
<p>DPF &#8211; can you impart anything on National initiatives, thinking,  &#8230;whatever !! Are they thinking about anything ??</p>
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		<title>By: slightlyrighty</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363413</link>
		<dc:creator>slightlyrighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I have combined income on the threshold for WFF, That is, just high enough to not get a single cent of govt support.   An average mortgage on a average house in our area would require 71% of our JOINT income to service it.

We have 1 child.

We get no assistance.

If my wife gave up work, we get no assistance, unless we pump out another sprog.

What we have done is our choice, but we find ourselves having to subsidise the choices of others, who see children as a path to income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I have combined income on the threshold for WFF, That is, just high enough to not get a single cent of govt support.   An average mortgage on a average house in our area would require 71% of our JOINT income to service it.</p>
<p>We have 1 child.</p>
<p>We get no assistance.</p>
<p>If my wife gave up work, we get no assistance, unless we pump out another sprog.</p>
<p>What we have done is our choice, but we find ourselves having to subsidise the choices of others, who see children as a path to income.</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363408</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m tlaking about the public health system &#039;

I think I understand you Sam ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m tlaking about the public health system &#8216;</p>
<p>I think I understand you Sam ?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Dixon</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363406</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tax + private health insureance in the US - 36.6% in 2006 (OECD)

Tax in NZ = 36.5% in 2006 (OECD)

I&#039;m well aware that US incoems are higher, that&#039;s not the topic.

D4J - I&#039;m tlaking about the public health system in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tax + private health insureance in the US &#8211; 36.6% in 2006 (OECD)</p>
<p>Tax in NZ = 36.5% in 2006 (OECD)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m well aware that US incoems are higher, that&#8217;s not the topic.</p>
<p>D4J &#8211; I&#8217;m tlaking about the public health system in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: bwakile</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363404</link>
		<dc:creator>bwakile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too late Roger
I&#039;ve made the phone call
Gone by next March
Keep up the good work and chin up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too late Roger<br />
I&#8217;ve made the phone call<br />
Gone by next March<br />
Keep up the good work and chin up</p>
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		<title>By: bwakile</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363402</link>
		<dc:creator>bwakile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Lee I got excited
I thought he was talking about democracy but it was only fireworks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Lee I got excited<br />
I thought he was talking about democracy but it was only fireworks</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363401</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bwakile:

I can see where you&#039;re coming from, I just think that you&#039;re over-stating the importance of the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bwakile:</p>
<p>I can see where you&#8217;re coming from, I just think that you&#8217;re over-stating the importance of the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: bwakile</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/de_facto_state_funding.html#comment-363399</link>
		<dc:creator>bwakile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lee

JoHn Key has just made the headlines
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10474474

Well done John


How about a new party next year
The Exclusive Brothers Party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lee</p>
<p>JoHn Key has just made the headlines<br />
<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10474474" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10474474</a></p>
<p>Well done John</p>
<p>How about a new party next year<br />
The Exclusive Brothers Party</p>
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		<title>By: kiwi in america</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiwi in america</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam - nice try. Mean or median incomes in the US are significantly higher than NZ and taxes even with state taxes are lower and then there are substantial tax deductions for children and home mortgage interest that (other than WFF) don&#039;t exist in NZ. These more than compensate for any top up cost of medical insurance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam &#8211; nice try. Mean or median incomes in the US are significantly higher than NZ and taxes even with state taxes are lower and then there are substantial tax deductions for children and home mortgage interest that (other than WFF) don&#8217;t exist in NZ. These more than compensate for any top up cost of medical insurance</p>
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