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November 10, 2007 10:03am by David Farrar

General Debate 10 November 2007

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dad4justice

Oh , sorry hinamanu , silly me, what is your real name ? reasonable request .
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November 10, 2007 7:53pm
dad4justice

Hey hinamanu creep , got a real name bro ?
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November 10, 2007 7:55pm
tom hunter

POC and Hinimanu

Only one party to go to tonight – a dance party. Woo Hoo!!

I would not take too much notice of the small group of lefties that climb into this blog defending Labour. Let’s face it, they’re obviously too hard-wired to even inhabit Public Address, which with Russell Brown setting the tone, manages only sotto voice critiques of Labour at the best of times.

I think that slavish devotion also explains the approach they take on this blog site. They’re projecting their fanaticism onto DPF – and the rest of us. Kiwiblog must be part of the National party’s devious plan for domination of NZ: indeed we’re just a local chapter of the VRWC!

They just naturally assume that we’re mirror images of themselves, You could never imagine the likes of Robinsod, Tane or Gnome to have ever voted ACT/Nat or ever doing so in future.

As a result they just think that most of the people kicking the shit out of Labour on this blog have never voted anything other than ACT or National all or most of their lives. Don’t know about you but several ‘right-wing’ commentators here sound as if they’ve voted Labour in the past. I certainly did in 1999 (yes, I know, I know).

So as I keep saying – just ignore them. In the meantime I have to get my dancing shoes on! Hopefully (putting aside kids and work) I’ll have a chance to have a discussion with people like you two, Pascal and some others over the next few days.
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November 10, 2007 8:05pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Tom Hunter:

You seem like a well-reasoned gentleman. Have a great night out, don’t bust-a-move too many, and hopefully we’ll have plenty to discuss next week!
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November 10, 2007 8:11pm
Redbaiter

“Don’t know about you but several ‘right-wing’ commentators here sound as if they’ve voted Labour in the past.”

That’s what those fuckwits (the KBB mob) don’t realise. Most of us have moved on from any kind of flirtation with leftist politics, probably as soon as we found ourselves in any management situation, or if we became business owners, or even began working in heavily unionised industries (where one is soon made aware of the absolute thuggery that underpins socialist control of so much of the union movement).

All of these events soon lead to a major readjustment in terms of political reality, and a sudden understanding what utter bullshit leftism is.

What we don’t need now, is knuckle draggers who have yet to reach this stage in life (Nome and the other fuckwits) coming here and laying arguments on us that we’ve heard so many times before. Arguments that were just as delusional way back then as they are today, coming from half educated commie dipshits like Sam Dixon and his mates.

I personally think of Kiwiblog as a place to discuss strategies to defeat leftism. An opportunity to mull over ways to reverse the trend over several decades where the left have made unparalleled progress in imposing their stinking totalitarian system upon us. That’s why I can’t be bothered with the likes of Robinsod Nome etc.

What have they got to say that is interesting or relevant? I’ll answer that. Nothing. They’re just static on the dial, yabbering one dimensional bores who should stay on their own damn sites rather than clutter Kiwiblog with their tired old one track troglodytic crap.
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November 10, 2007 8:53pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Redbaiter:

Speaking of unions, you may find this interview about a certain Joe McDonald revealing: http://www.alp.org.au/media/0607/dsihs210.php

Note that interview occurred on 21 June.

McDonald remained a member of the Australian Labor Party until 26 October, only to be dismissed on dubious grounds: http://www.theage.com.au/news/federalelection2007news/joe-mcdonald-expelled-from-alp/2007/10/26/1192941312131.html
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November 10, 2007 9:07pm
infused

What do you guys think about this:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4269092a11.html
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November 10, 2007 9:23pm
dad4justice

Hey infused, just imagine if the same amount of enthusiastic animal protest action in the name of save the whale rights could be transformed into a collective strategy to defeat the Labour government, who are hell bent on eroding the rights of the average New Zealander ?

Do we care more about animals than people ? Child abuse stats indicate a positive in shame on the world stage , sad 4 the kids , well done Labour .
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November 10, 2007 9:33pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Infused:

The money quote from your referenced article:

Animal rights activists are going to protest outside a Hawke’s Bay company that experiments on beagle dogs until the company shuts down, the campaign organiser says.

Hope they’ve got a stable food supply. They’ll be there for a long time.

And this gem:

Mr Eden said the protest group would also target anyone in the community involved with his business.

Hope they’ve got a decent sized dragnet. The company website (http://www.varc.co.nz) shows considerable regulatory oversight:

(1) All research, testing or teaching involving live animals in New Zealand must be conducted in accordance with the requirements of the Animal Welfare Act 1999 and be approved by an Animal Ethics Committee.

(2) The VARC Animal Ethics Committee includes three independent members and a member appointed by the RNZSPCA.

(3) All research and testing carried out by VARC is approved by the Animal Ethics Committee under the Code of Ethical Conduct For The Review of Protocols and Projects certified by MAF.

(4) As the body which certifies VARC to conduct its work, MAF is responsible for conducting regular and ongoing Audits of VARC’s research and facilities to ensure compliance with the Animal Welfare Act 1999.

(5) Above VARC’s own Animals Ethics Committee sits the National Animal Ethics Advisory Committee (NAEAC), an independent ministerial body which advises the Minister of Agriculture on issues relating to the use of animals in research and provides information and advice to the Animal Ethics Committee.

Goodness… has this protest group *ahem* bitten off more than they can chew?
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November 10, 2007 9:35pm
dad4justice

Dog tucker infused !!
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November 10, 2007 9:37pm
krazykiwi

Ah yes… animal rights activism! anything to keep our news away from the democracendocomy being performed by stealthy political surgery.
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November 10, 2007 10:43pm
infused

Just to clarify, I don’t support these people at all. The guy was on 60 minutes awhile ago. Seems pretty genunie. The fact that no dogs have been destroyed is pretty good.
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November 10, 2007 10:59pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Infused:

Well, considering that Goldenthal had the decency to turn up to a protest in his honour, he’s got more spunk than most. But that’ll only enbolden those would shut his business down.
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November 10, 2007 11:06pm
neontiger

Just imagine how far we could get if we concentrated all this activism towards another worthy cause: Getting Dad4Justice strapped onboard a rocket to the Sun!
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November 11, 2007 1:46am
Redbaiter

“Speaking of unions, you may find this interview about a certain Joe McDonald revealing:”

Thanks for the link POC. Yeah, my experience of unions typified the lies and hypocrisy that are the hallmarks of leftism, where the propaganda is that they are democratic institutions and the reality is that in the main they are tightly controlled by gangs of dictatorial and violent communist thugs who crush dissenting voices with threats and intimidation.

For another example of unbelievable hypocrisy, we have the knuckle draggers at KBB whining about their treatment on right wing blogs, claiming that “some of left’s opponents aren’t interested in fighting fair.”

This from a bunch of cheats and losers who are known (on KBB) to have actually re-worded posts from non-leftists so that they actually say something entirely different to what the writer intended. Now how dishonest and despicable is this?

How can these cheating unprincipled scum ever have the nerve to then go on to claim about the way they are treated elsewhere? Only a leftist would be capable of such astonishing self deceit. Only an utter knuckle dragging half educated low IQ dumbfuck commie robot could be so incapable of realizing the stark hypocrisy of their position.
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November 11, 2007 1:49am
Redbaiter

Actually, I need to correct that final paragraph. Of course the left realize their hypocrisy. They are just not shamed by it the way a moral person would be.
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November 11, 2007 1:55am
neontiger

So lefties are half educated low IQ dumbfuck commie robots? Hmmm I’m a lefty, I have a post graduate degree, an IQ exceeding 120, am not a commie but do support socialist policies and a robot? Well interestingly I did do my degree in mechatronics but any intelligent person would be able to see that that does not make one a robot.
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November 11, 2007 1:57am
neontiger

You conservatives have so many skeletons in the closet. Ted Haggard: Drug use and plutocracy (engaging in homosexuality after being so opposed), George W. Bush: Alcoholism and drug use, Anne Coutler: antisemitism.
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November 11, 2007 2:04am
neontiger

*hypocracy
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November 11, 2007 2:05am
dad4justice

“I have a post graduate degree, an IQ exceeding 120”

Maybe I suggest the planet dumbo would be a better place for you, as a deranged neon tugger ? I think this lady meant to say her IQ was 12 , oh well it takes all , liars and labour go hand in hand down bullshit alley, while joe average packs up shop and settles across the ditch . New Zealand is the laughing stock of the Western World . Is it any wonder George laughed at Lemon Face ?
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November 11, 2007 6:21am
toby1845

roger nome: “Anyway, if it came down to it I’m sure labour would be willing to overturn the SB and F Act to get a coalition deal with the Maori party.”

If that is true, Labour should declare that now – not after the election.
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November 11, 2007 8:47am
neontiger

There is no hope for you D4J. Short of a major breakthrough in pharmaceuticals.
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November 11, 2007 9:05am
Pascal

D4J @ 7:51 pm : hey himoo – got a real name creep ?
D4J @ 7:53 pm : Oh , sorry hinamanu , silly me, what is your real name ? reasonable request .
D4J @ 7:55 pm : Hey hinamanu creep , got a real name bro ?

It is only in the mind of a seriously disturbed person that you can go from insult/dislike to apologising/like and then back to insult/dislike in the space of 4 minutes.

Holy crap. If anything has ever scared me it is that.
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November 11, 2007 10:39am
Pascal

RedBaiter: Most of us have moved on from any kind of flirtation with leftist politics, probably as soon as we found ourselves in any management situation, or if we became business owners, or even began working in heavily unionised industries

*Raises a hand* And I voted Labour a number of years ago. However, once I got married, had a child and so forth I realized that the best care for my family was not under a Labour government and that their socially destroying policies were doing more harm than good.

People can argue averages all they want now, but the reality is that for myself and all of my colleagues with children is that they’re worse off under Labour.
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November 11, 2007 10:43am
kehua

neontiger:
Congratulations on your degree and 120 IQ, perhaps one day you will use both and realise that outdated socialism is exactly that -outdated.
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November 11, 2007 10:52am
grumpyoldhori

Good to see that the Nats would rather stay
in opposition than to hand the foreshore over
to we hori.

Of course Labour will gladly hand the foreshore over in return for power.
Still, it is better to feel that one has done the
right thing, and stay on the opposition benches for the Nats.
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November 11, 2007 12:10pm
Inventory2

<p>Must have been good parties DPF went to last night – most unusual for him not to have posted by lunchtime! Perhaps the Farrar Powers of Recovery are not what they once were!</p>

[DPF: Got woken up by a phone call and told them off for calling me at 9 am. Was surprised to learn it was 12.30 pm! Was a good night]
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November 11, 2007 12:17pm
grumpyoldhori

Age catching up with you David dear boy?

[DPF: Ha – more the vodka]
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November 11, 2007 1:01pm
Inventory2

With all of us goh, truth to tell!
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November 11, 2007 1:09pm
Lindsay Addie

Hurrah for the King of Spain, he told Chavez to SHUTUP!!

http://stuff.co.nz/4269638a12.html

Looks like the Spainards don’t have much time for this socialist dipshit.
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November 11, 2007 10:10pm
neontiger

@kehua:
Since when was care and compassion for your fellow man outdated? Capitalism breeds greed and greed is not a good thing in any sense. Further question: If it is so outdated then why is the overwhelming majority of academia on the left of the spectrum? You can’t conclude they are stupid, I’m sorry you just can’t.
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November 12, 2007 1:48am
neontiger

Lindsay Addie: The Spaniard King is also a socialist.
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November 12, 2007 1:51am
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Neontiger:

Capitalism breeds greed and greed is not a good thing in any sense.

I don’t mean to sound sarcastic, but do you mean to say that throughout history there have never been any wealthy socialist rulers? Or is your point that socialism promotes a caring and loving society, whereas capitalism doesn’t?
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November 12, 2007 2:10am
neontiger

If America is anything to go by then capitalism is certainly not.
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November 12, 2007 2:26am
Peak Oil Conspiracy

That wasn’t my question, Neontiger, and you know it. Can you try answering my question again?
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November 12, 2007 2:30am
neontiger

Of course there have been wealthy socialist rulers. I never praised Stalin or Mao. But look at capitalism, look at Bush and the sad state of elections in the USA where if you don’t have money you can’t even launch a campaign.
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November 12, 2007 2:33am
neontiger

You can’t go around saying capitalism is perfect while ignoring it’s severe excesses and shortcomings. It’s not a perfect system, not even an acceptable system and it won’t make everyone rich as a free market ideologue might suggest. A system that requires losers to function is not what I would call a caring or a loving system.
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November 12, 2007 2:36am
Peak Oil Conspiracy

I think you’re mixing up arguments: capitalism and democracy.

As to democracy, it’s quite likely that geographic scope accounts for any campaign funding obstacle in the US. It costs money to get your message across to the masses. In any event, you’re taking a restricted view of the US (focusing on its electoral system) to substantiate an argument about capitalism?

As to capitalism, if it’s bad, as you claim, then I’d expect to see you identify an alternative system that works better in practice. And I really don’t see socialism as offering any better outcomes, at least in historical terms, than capitalism.
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November 12, 2007 2:42am
Lindsay Addie

neontiger,

I don’t give a rat’s arse about the King’s politics, I say good on him for telling that dipshit to shutup.
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November 12, 2007 8:24am
Redbaiter

“You can’t go around saying capitalism is perfect while ignoring it’s severe excesses and shortcomings. ”

Typical leftist scaremongering bullshit. Dream up some peril that is out there and that gummint (leftist gummint of course) must protect us from. We must have more and more and more and more gummint or the troll under the bridge will get us, or global warming will get us, or capitalism will get us, or the rich will get us ad fucken infinitum… Off their rocker most leftists, psychologically insecure misfits suffering from neuroses implanted in their brain when they were little uns, and that scared them so badly, they’ve never got over it..
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November 12, 2007 10:59am
hinamanu

“D4J @ 7:51 pm : hey himoo – got a real name creep ?
D4J @ 7:53 pm : Oh , sorry hinamanu , silly me, what is your real name ? “reasonable request .
D4J @ 7:55 pm : Hey hinamanu creep , got a real name bro ?

It is only in the mind of a seriously disturbed person that you can go from insult/dislike to apologising/like and then back to insult/dislike in the space of 4 minutes.

Holy crap. If anything has ever scared me it is that.”

I am now vindicated of my justified scathing of the enemy of intelligence
and decorum, namely Cacofinix and am confident I have added to his demerit points of which he himself has no leverage over myself.

He told me I should go back to my knitting. Imaginative and eloquent vitriol I don’t think. If he was 5 I would’ve been impressed.

Then again…….
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