<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: General Debate 5 November 2007</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html</link>
	<description>DPF&#039;s Kiwiblog - Fomenting Happy Mischief since 2003</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:46:05 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: flashgordonnz</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362968</link>
		<dc:creator>flashgordonnz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362968</guid>
		<description>1 - no: success and advancement come from education, skill, talent and/or risk taking. Under communism it doesn’t come at all...
2 - all animals compete, civilised societies try to strike a good balance, and competition can be set aside in order to create collectively what individuals can’t. Communists seem to think choice is wasteful, so ban all competition. This is known by intelligent folk as “throwing baby out with bath water”
3 – Some people will commit crime because they can’t help themselves, just look at that poor labour MP who punched a fellow MP, and that Labour activist who took to a unionist with his own megaphone. Yet the communists continue to talk about policies that ignore actual human traits, traits such as the desire (considered legitimate by normal folk) to better ones self.
4 – Sarko is not the general right-wing pattern: he seems to approve of transferring power to the un-elected EU.
Because communism is a belief with no founding in rational scientific empirical thought, it is probably difficult to believe it at the same time as believing in a God who judges you on thought, action and inaction. Even lies for the greater good are frowned upon. But I shouldn’t speak for christians…or communists…
5 – Other than the internet (until the communists grab control of this) probably not, which is why this communist government is attempting to fix the rules so that they can spend not only their own money, but the money of the taxpayer on staying in power. After all, power is all they are about, all pretence of being for the worker is dissolving as they give tax-cuts to companies but only now, under pressure, to the workers whose taxes subsidise the lifestyle of the MPs and the beneficiary classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 &#8211; no: success and advancement come from education, skill, talent and/or risk taking. Under communism it doesn’t come at all&#8230;<br />
2 &#8211; all animals compete, civilised societies try to strike a good balance, and competition can be set aside in order to create collectively what individuals can’t. Communists seem to think choice is wasteful, so ban all competition. This is known by intelligent folk as “throwing baby out with bath water”<br />
3 – Some people will commit crime because they can’t help themselves, just look at that poor labour MP who punched a fellow MP, and that Labour activist who took to a unionist with his own megaphone. Yet the communists continue to talk about policies that ignore actual human traits, traits such as the desire (considered legitimate by normal folk) to better ones self.<br />
4 – Sarko is not the general right-wing pattern: he seems to approve of transferring power to the un-elected EU.<br />
Because communism is a belief with no founding in rational scientific empirical thought, it is probably difficult to believe it at the same time as believing in a God who judges you on thought, action and inaction. Even lies for the greater good are frowned upon. But I shouldn’t speak for christians…or communists…<br />
5 – Other than the internet (until the communists grab control of this) probably not, which is why this communist government is attempting to fix the rules so that they can spend not only their own money, but the money of the taxpayer on staying in power. After all, power is all they are about, all pretence of being for the worker is dissolving as they give tax-cuts to companies but only now, under pressure, to the workers whose taxes subsidise the lifestyle of the MPs and the beneficiary classes.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Robyn E. Kenealy</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362401</link>
		<dc:creator>Robyn E. Kenealy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362401</guid>
		<description>I might try posting this in another general debate if I get no response (this one, I notice, is yesterday&#039;s.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might try posting this in another general debate if I get no response (this one, I notice, is yesterday&#8217;s.)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Robyn E. Kenealy</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362400</link>
		<dc:creator>Robyn E. Kenealy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362400</guid>
		<description>Attention: Right-leaning people,

Some of you may remember me from other general debates. I am writing today because I’ve been away from kiwiblog for a little while, and I decided to catch up by reading some older posts. I read this – I think it was oct 5th but I’m not sure – anyway, the jist was this: DPF wrote that there were groups of people who didn’t seem to believe in an earnestly held right wing view, and who assumed that such a view must be supported by ignorance. I gave this writing some consideration, and found that, in my case, it is true. I am a pretty left wing person – I often describe myself as having a chewy communist centre – and when I think about politics, I tend to think that people only favour right leaning parties because they are not as thoughtful or well educated as me. 
Well! There’s a big problem with that opinion, obviously. Leaving aside any questions of the right solution for NZ politics, it is simply not a nice attitude to bring to a debate, and, naturally, I am unlikely to learn anything from right-wingers or right wing politics if I assume there is nothing you can teach me. So I am trying this approach – here are some questions and thoughts I have about right wing thought, or right leaning politics and I hope you will be able to answer some or all of them.
(I promise there is no sting in this – I’m just interested.)

1: Do you believe that everyone has equal opportunities for success and advancement under capitalism? 
2: Do you believe that competition is a true indication of human nature?
3: Do you believe that people are more likely to commit crimes without a strong deterrent, such as tough prison terms?
4: Do you think the general right wing pattern, such as illustrated by Sarko in France, has a Christian basis, in the sense that it is predicated on some sense of eventual judgement for one’s hard work? And if so, would you consider this a protestant influence?
5: Do you think there are places where people can interact without an imbalance of power, and if so, where?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attention: Right-leaning people,</p>
<p>Some of you may remember me from other general debates. I am writing today because I’ve been away from kiwiblog for a little while, and I decided to catch up by reading some older posts. I read this – I think it was oct 5th but I’m not sure – anyway, the jist was this: DPF wrote that there were groups of people who didn’t seem to believe in an earnestly held right wing view, and who assumed that such a view must be supported by ignorance. I gave this writing some consideration, and found that, in my case, it is true. I am a pretty left wing person – I often describe myself as having a chewy communist centre – and when I think about politics, I tend to think that people only favour right leaning parties because they are not as thoughtful or well educated as me.<br />
Well! There’s a big problem with that opinion, obviously. Leaving aside any questions of the right solution for NZ politics, it is simply not a nice attitude to bring to a debate, and, naturally, I am unlikely to learn anything from right-wingers or right wing politics if I assume there is nothing you can teach me. So I am trying this approach – here are some questions and thoughts I have about right wing thought, or right leaning politics and I hope you will be able to answer some or all of them.<br />
(I promise there is no sting in this – I’m just interested.)</p>
<p>1: Do you believe that everyone has equal opportunities for success and advancement under capitalism?<br />
2: Do you believe that competition is a true indication of human nature?<br />
3: Do you believe that people are more likely to commit crimes without a strong deterrent, such as tough prison terms?<br />
4: Do you think the general right wing pattern, such as illustrated by Sarko in France, has a Christian basis, in the sense that it is predicated on some sense of eventual judgement for one’s hard work? And if so, would you consider this a protestant influence?<br />
5: Do you think there are places where people can interact without an imbalance of power, and if so, where?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: neontiger</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362285</link>
		<dc:creator>neontiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362285</guid>
		<description>Your acting as though they don&#039;t deserve it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your acting as though they don&#8217;t deserve it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362284</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362284</guid>
		<description>&quot;Don’t you have anything better to do with your lives than sit around jacking each other off with this shit?? Fuck boys get a room, nah actually get a life.&quot;

Meahwhile, over at your pathetic bitter and nasty little blog, all one can observe is the most infantile and obsessive hate driven crap about Mr. Farrar or D4J. You rank hypocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don’t you have anything better to do with your lives than sit around jacking each other off with this shit?? Fuck boys get a room, nah actually get a life.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meahwhile, over at your pathetic bitter and nasty little blog, all one can observe is the most infantile and obsessive hate driven crap about Mr. Farrar or D4J. You rank hypocrite.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: hinamanu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362234</link>
		<dc:creator>hinamanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362234</guid>
		<description>lol,,

just continue writing to yourself.

we need the entertainment.

I love this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol,,</p>
<p>just continue writing to yourself.</p>
<p>we need the entertainment.</p>
<p>I love this blog.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: hinamanu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362233</link>
		<dc:creator>hinamanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362233</guid>
		<description>Well John/D4J,,

I do think we are burning the wrong effigy now.

She is actually completing the original traitors work.

We are so close to tyranny in this country we must stiffle our shudders 
and see the naked communism for what it is.

If the plebs swallow the tax cuts NZ is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well John/D4J,,</p>
<p>I do think we are burning the wrong effigy now.</p>
<p>She is actually completing the original traitors work.</p>
<p>We are so close to tyranny in this country we must stiffle our shudders<br />
and see the naked communism for what it is.</p>
<p>If the plebs swallow the tax cuts NZ is over.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362232</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362232</guid>
		<description>Good one John as I was writing a comment on that rort bill from Auntie Hell 

Hey Hina &quot; Keep your mutts away from minors d4j,, you know we know.&quot;

If you said that to my face - you would need a hospital very quickly !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one John as I was writing a comment on that rort bill from Auntie Hell </p>
<p>Hey Hina &#8221; Keep your mutts away from minors d4j,, you know we know.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you said that to my face &#8211; you would need a hospital very quickly !!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362229</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362229</guid>
		<description>lets burn the barren witch,NOW that would be fun wouldnt,   hinamanu?
opps theres a gap there , ,thats for the crap from ms davis to fall into J, and d4j , it keeps the leftests tossiors amused,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets burn the barren witch,NOW that would be fun wouldnt,   hinamanu?<br />
opps theres a gap there , ,thats for the crap from ms davis to fall into J, and d4j , it keeps the leftests tossiors amused,</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: hinamanu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362210</link>
		<dc:creator>hinamanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362210</guid>
		<description>I actually thought Guy Fawkes was banned after last year.

where did that idea come form,, I&#039;m not the only one who thought so.

Tomorrow nights headline news will be all the disasters and and cats wif sky rockets up their ass.   I would sign a petition against Guy Fawkes on that issue alone.

btw,,

Did any one read about that school girl who was sprayed with acid from a school bus today or yesterday ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually thought Guy Fawkes was banned after last year.</p>
<p>where did that idea come form,, I&#8217;m not the only one who thought so.</p>
<p>Tomorrow nights headline news will be all the disasters and and cats wif sky rockets up their ass.   I would sign a petition against Guy Fawkes on that issue alone.</p>
<p>btw,,</p>
<p>Did any one read about that school girl who was sprayed with acid from a school bus today or yesterday ??</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: hinamanu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362203</link>
		<dc:creator>hinamanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362203</guid>
		<description>&quot;darn im back ,hes not me and im not him&quot;

D4J answered as John,, lol

How can you resist baiting.

Keep your mutts away from minors d4j,,  you know we know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;darn im back ,hes not me and im not him&#8221;</p>
<p>D4J answered as John,, lol</p>
<p>How can you resist baiting.</p>
<p>Keep your mutts away from minors d4j,,  you know we know.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: hinamanu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362195</link>
		<dc:creator>hinamanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362195</guid>
		<description>&quot;She and they are hated, in their own heartland.&quot;

Do you think it&#039;s possible that some time in the near future a picture of John Key will be hanging where Dear leaders bucked tooth image was so desecrated in the red heart land.

If Mickey savage was to walk into the house today would he mistakenly head for the Nat seats to their howls of &#039;tory&#039; derision at the shocked and dismayed &#039;red&#039; faces.

Would be a beautiful picture and a good idea for a Sunday night Montana theatre.  

bring on the parody someone in TV land!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She and they are hated, in their own heartland.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you think it&#8217;s possible that some time in the near future a picture of John Key will be hanging where Dear leaders bucked tooth image was so desecrated in the red heart land.</p>
<p>If Mickey savage was to walk into the house today would he mistakenly head for the Nat seats to their howls of &#8216;tory&#8217; derision at the shocked and dismayed &#8216;red&#8217; faces.</p>
<p>Would be a beautiful picture and a good idea for a Sunday night Montana theatre.  </p>
<p>bring on the parody someone in TV land!!!!!!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362178</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362178</guid>
		<description>neontiger: &lt;i&gt;I see you both add spaces between your punctuation marks. Not many people do that.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, that is one of the clearest D4J give-aways. However, the moderators have not said anything about it and it&#039;s not against the policy as far as we know and everyone knows that John = D4J so no harm, no foul at the end of the day?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neontiger: <i>I see you both add spaces between your punctuation marks. Not many people do that.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, that is one of the clearest D4J give-aways. However, the moderators have not said anything about it and it&#8217;s not against the policy as far as we know and everyone knows that John = D4J so no harm, no foul at the end of the day?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362169</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 06:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362169</guid>
		<description>Tauhei Notts - it may seem incredible but believe me its real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tauhei Notts &#8211; it may seem incredible but believe me its real.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: krazykiwi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362142</link>
		<dc:creator>krazykiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 06:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362142</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stuff.co.nz/4262466a13.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Govt surplus 48.9 pc above forecast&lt;/a&gt;

What a bunch of muppets. We pay them so the government can tell them what to predict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/4262466a13.html" rel="nofollow">Govt surplus 48.9 pc above forecast</a></p>
<p>What a bunch of muppets. We pay them so the government can tell them what to predict.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: neontiger</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362139</link>
		<dc:creator>neontiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362139</guid>
		<description>I see you both add spaces between your punctuation marks. Not many people do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see you both add spaces between your punctuation marks. Not many people do that.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362134</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362134</guid>
		<description>Hi John isn&#039;t it strange that they would think you are me ? Funny people these twisted Helen Clark supporters .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John isn&#8217;t it strange that they would think you are me ? Funny people these twisted Helen Clark supporters .</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362131</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362131</guid>
		<description>darn im back ,hes not me and im not him , SIGH, slow learners, AGAIN have a great evening , taking the dogs for a walk,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>darn im back ,hes not me and im not him , SIGH, slow learners, AGAIN have a great evening , taking the dogs for a walk,</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362130</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362130</guid>
		<description>done my bit , have a great evening ,folks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>done my bit , have a great evening ,folks</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: neontiger</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362125</link>
		<dc:creator>neontiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/general_debate_5_november_2007.html#comment-362125</guid>
		<description>Hi D4J! Nice to see you back so fast!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi D4J! Nice to see you back so fast!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

