Graeme Burton

November 29th, 2007 at 10:54 am by David Farrar

The coroner’s hearing into Graeme Burton’s murder of Karl Kuchenbecker has made it very clear how flawed the parole system is.

Burton was the last person in the world who should have been paroled.  He terrorised prisoners and guards, and was commonly regarded as a psychopath.  So why was he released?

Because his psychopathy rating was downgraded from “very high” to “high”.  So fine to let them out when they are only a high level psychopath as oppossed to very high.

How’s this for a better system?  Only let them out early if their psychopathy score is low or preferably very low.

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33 Responses to “Graeme Burton”

  1. Tina (687 comments) says:

    Seeesh…get with the program….this is NZ, so neither the incompetent psych or Burton are responsible.

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  2. dad4justice (8,015 comments) says:

    You only have to look at the black caps and the family court to see the enormous damage psychologists do . A sensible justice system should NOT allow them anywhere near a parole board hearing .

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  3. Lindsay Addie (1,289 comments) says:

    Perhaps the parole system needs a little tweaking. For example if a prisoner is released on parole and reoffends then the head of the Parole Board shares the same cell for a month after the prisoner is put back in prison.

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  4. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    I listened to one of the psychs interviewed on radio aboutb the case.

    Seemed to me he and his mates should be the ones locked up along with the pathetic bunch of crim lovers on the Parole Board.

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  5. Inventory2 (10,245 comments) says:

    There’s more to this than meets the eye. I blogged on this case on Tuesday:

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2007/11/just-another-day-for-corrections.html

    One of the first witnesses to give evidence told the coroner that he flagged the reported incidents in his report to the Parole Board – however that information was withheld from the PB. This case is a disgrace, and Barry Matthews as CEO of Corrections should be held accountable and sacked.

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  6. Johnboy (15,858 comments) says:

    None of this would be happening now if the Police were given more shooting training and used pistol gripped 12G streetsweepers as the close in weapon of choice reserving the glock as last resort.

    The other plus to this policy is that it could be fully funded by savings on this one case.

    26yrs@ $80,000pa = $2,080,000. Assuming said 12G plus 500 rounds per weapon at $1000 = 2080 weapons, enough to ensure the police outgun all of societies creeps.

    Even a poor shot can hit a perp at 30-40 metres with a shotgun with minimal training.

    Will of course never happen under this lot of labour scum.

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  7. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “Perhaps the parole system needs a little tweaking.”

    accountability.

    has the same in common with incentives

    Both words out the door.

    Privatisation means govt has washed its hands of that particular sector.

    Privatisation of prisons probably will lead to state annexed parole boards.

    therefore, no state responsibility, no accountability.

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  8. Reg (544 comments) says:

    Interesting times we live in.

    Prisons basically kicking out dangerous criminals because they heavying staff and other inmates and Hospitals paying patients to go away.

    Boy the great socialist experiment has been a roaring success!

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  9. tim barclay (886 comments) says:

    Graeme Burton is a deadly example of someone who is a permanent danger to society. It is about time the sociologists get their head around the fact some people are sociopaths and should be locked away for good. As we do not have the death penalty in this country we have no option but to keep them in jail. Maybe we could come to a deal with the Chinese Government and send Burton and other lifers off to serve the sentence for the remainder of their lives in China.

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  10. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    So Burton’s back in jail.

    what have they done with him. Put him in solitary.

    I can assure you, he was not intimidating guards. they are humongus, and there are a lot of them. The gang members alone would’ve put him in his palce.

    Look at Antoine Dixon. His attitude changed completely after arriving in custody.

    These fellows are good cases for corporal punishment, esp with witnesses to their crimes. Not to mention their general criminal behaviour.

    But who ever said inmates and guards were being intimidated by any one individual is a bare faced liar, and that’s coming from some one who’s never done a days time behind bars.

    The reason these recidavists offend is because they want to be in jail where they don’t have to think for themselves. The system and the inmates want to do that for you. what they obviously don’t understand is that having your life run by criminal dogs is more stress on your mind than running your life in the community, restricted and marginalised as it is.

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  11. Adam Smith (890 comments) says:

    The concept of holding Barry Matthews accountable is interesting. Was he not brought in to ‘fix’ Corrections. No doubt he and Dr Prebble have extremely interesting staff evaluation sessions.

    I find the concept of the man, who when he was with Police had accountability for Incis fixing Corrections somewhat risible. Perhaps I expect too much!!!

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  12. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Johnboy Way to go Why should I have to pay to keep this pondlife alive.

    By the way Anyone know if the guy picked up for the murder in CCH and rape in Dunedin has form. At 35 bound to have a string of convictions and reports that pointed to the obvious.

    How many more of these known time bombs are on the loose with the Gumint and its agenices playing Russian Roulette with the citizens lives.

    Bet they have a nice sweet little financial calculator that equates dead and miamed citizens to nutbars on the loose.

    And we trust these gooses to run the country. Like hell.

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  13. PhilBest (5,120 comments) says:

    One problem here is that the PC neo-marxists running everything in this country today can’t get their heads around anyone doing anything bad for any reason other than “deprivation” or “injustice”.

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  14. Inventory2 (10,245 comments) says:

    Adam Smith said “The concept of holding Barry Matthews accountable is interesting. Was he not brought in to ‘fix’ Corrections. No doubt he and Dr Prebble have extremely interesting staff evaluation sessions.

    I find the concept of the man, who when he was with Police had accountability for Incis fixing Corrections somewhat risible. Perhaps I expect too much!!!”

    Right on the money Adam. Two deaths on his “watch” so far – Liam Ashley and Karl Kuchenbecker. The excuse that O’Connor made that it was more honourable for him and Matthews to stay and fix things doesn’t wash with me. Matthews is paid an exceedingly large salary to manage Corrections. Through the negligence of Corrections, two men are dead – ’nuff said?

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  15. Johnboy (15,858 comments) says:

    Better not discuss the ChCh murderer we would not want to risk his chance of a fair trial after all no matter what he has done to poor Emma or any other victims he may have been laughed at at school once or beaten up by a girl or something. IT IS NOT HIS FAULT he turned out like this—YEAH RIGHT

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  16. Yeti (64 comments) says:

    Tim Barclay’s on the money. The sooner that people accept that there are those amongst us who are plain evil and don’t fit into society as everyone else does then we might be able to get on with sorting the prison system out. There are those who with all the help, interventions, retraining, cuddles, etc will still be bad bastards and need to be locked up never to see the light of day.

    I know that I’ll be told it doesn’t work by the bleeding hearts but there should be three strikes and thats it. You do not see freedom again, ever.

    I’d go a step further and make those lifers sit it out in a reduced ammenities facility or preferably out source prisons to PNG or Thailand, where they’d either be shot or eaten.

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  17. cubit9f (356 comments) says:

    We have some remote off shore islands. Put them out there. No guards requireed. Let them be self regulating. Make sure we choose one in the area where the great white shark likes to feed. That would deter the swimmers to freedom group.

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  18. cubit9f (356 comments) says:

    As an aside. My understanding of Police weapons procedure is that the firer is to aim for the centre of physical mass. How come the officer in this case hasn’t been investigated for his failing to hit the centre of mass rather than engaging and hitting a body extremity. i.e his leg.

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  19. Johnboy (15,858 comments) says:

    My read of it at the time was that he was holding his shotgun on the Police who backed away from their car which had either one or two rifles on the back seat. Burton was leaning in to get them when the Police fired their glocks from 20-30 metres. I would suspect his thigh was the largest target in view. Proceedure followed and not bad pistol shooting indeed from two non AOS police.

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  20. Max Call (212 comments) says:

    what about this ****?
    (I cannot think of a word bad enough to sum up this guy!)

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=124&objectid=10476629

    Also there have been a few ‘letters to the Editor’ about this case in our local paper asking about the accountability of the childs mother, Currans wife etc. There seems to be none.

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  21. Danyl Mclauchlan (1,066 comments) says:

    Burton Given Parole on Basis of his Own Diagnosis
    Dim-Post Tuesday 27 November

    Documents supplied to the Dim-Post by sources within the Corrections Department sources show that paroled murderer Graeme Burton was released on the basis of a psychiatric form that he himself filled out.

    The one page report used by the parole board to asses the suitability of Burton’s release contains two sections; the first to be filled out by the prisoner and the second to be written by a qualified psychiatrist.

    On the form obtained by the Dim-Post the prisoner name is that of Graeme Burton and the Psychiatrists name is ‘Doctor Dum Faggot.’ However the style of handwriting on both sections is identical.

    The Corrections Department have no record of Dr Faggot on their staff.

    The Psychological Evaluation section that the parole board cited in their decision to release Burton does not contain a clinical analysis and instead consists of the single sentence: ‘Graeme is totalee [sic] cool let him out now scum.’

    Under Examiners Diagnosis and Conclusions is a sketch of a large penis and the words ‘let him out or u will die’ repeated over a dozen times.

    A large drawing at the bottom of the page in a section labeled Medication, Treatment and Additional Clinical Comments depicts a naked woman nailed to a crucifix with knives poking into her eyes, breasts and genital area.

    Corrections Department Director Barry Matthews told the Dim-Post that he considers the form to be a vindication of his department and the parole board.

    ‘The lower half of the document was filled in by Burton in a ‘breathtaking breach of procedure,’ Matthews said.
    ‘The bottom of the form is clearly marked examiners use only,’ Matthews said. ‘It is to be filled out by the psychiatrist and not the prisoner. How can we anticipate that kind of dishonesty?’

    ”We evaluate parole decisions on the advice of highly trained experts,’ Matthews said. ‘Mr Burton has no formal clinical training and was not qualified to diagnose himself as ready to be released into the community.’

    Corrections Minister Matt Robson announced that the Department will be implementing an IT based solution to prevent this problem from reoccurring.

    ‘An optical character recognition device will ensure that the two people filling out the form are different people,’ Robson said. ‘This will put an end to deadly mistakes made by my department once and for all.’

    The solution has been priced at one hundred and fifty million dollars and will be rolled out to New Zealand prisons over the next eight years.

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  22. Johnboy (15,858 comments) says:

    With regard to Curran try assembling the following words into a coherent sentence that even a Justice Minister who trained as a Dental Nurse can understand. BULLET EAR BEHIND. Ditto for Burton.

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  23. cubit9f (356 comments) says:

    Johnboy,

    As I said “centre of mass”, however, your plan B”EHIND BULLET EAR” will do instead.

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  24. Johnboy (15,858 comments) says:

    cubit9f Says:

    “As I said “centre of mass”, however, your plan B”EHIND BULLET EAR” will do instead.”

    I assume he was bent into the back of the car and his torso was hidden by the boot area but I think you may be right if the “m” is left off “mass” the cops just shot a little low and got his thigh instead!!!

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  25. john (478 comments) says:

    Remember the witch has bloated the public service to get unemployment
    down so his release could have been made by a ex P seller or a ex burgher king worker , who knows in our country now??

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  26. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    I can assure you, he was not intimidating guards. they are humongus, and there are a lot of them.

    Pffft – How tall is Burton, 6’8″ or something? And I can assure you that the majority of prison guards are nowhere near this size. Many of them are quite small, skinny, old & female even.

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  27. Johnboy (15,858 comments) says:

    One less female now though since Josie Bullock got shafted for not being a racist!

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  28. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “Pffft – How tall is Burton, 6′8″ or something? And I can assure you that the majority of prison guards are nowhere near this size. Many of them are quite small, skinny, old & female even.”

    Oh yes.

    and they pay wimps to control dangerous, vicious murderers, rapists and gang members ??

    The Maori and Polynesian guards I have seen are nowhere near your cretinous description.

    Must I be more colourful in my critique of you ??????

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  29. Rex Widerstrom (5,342 comments) says:

    hinamanu – gotta agree with you 100% there. Yes there’s female guards and even old ones. But they’re assigned to work areas and other places where there are plenty of the burly Maori and PI blokes around to watch their backs. I was escorted by a guy, shorter and smaller built than me, but who was a multiple black belt and NZ title holder in full combat karate (he and I trained at the same dojo before our paths crossed). So even the smaller guys aren’t pushovers.

    I love how people who’ve never been inside a prison, even as a visitor, flap their gums about this stuff.

    If Burton had managed to “intimidate” a guard, several others would have made damned sure he never did it again.

    Intimidating prisoners… well maybe, since no one survives long intact inside if they dog on another prisoner. But guards, never.

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  30. Andrew W (1,629 comments) says:

    Tim, I agree with your 12.03 comment except for one point, you seem to assume that NZ can’t impose the death penalty, we can, all that’s required is a law change.

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  31. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    and they pay wimps to control dangerous, vicious murderers, rapists and gang members ??

    You tell me then Hinemanu, I only worked for Corrections for 5 or so years, what would I know?

    The Maori and Polynesian guards I have seen are nowhere near your cretinous description.

    None of the prison officers I have seen are anywhere near yours.

    Must I be more colourful in my critique of you ??????

    WTF? Am I not allowed to offer my own opinion formed through first hand experience? Even the D Block guards I know would be dwarfed by anyone over 6 and a half feet.

    You be as colourful as you like H, but don’t assume you “must”.

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  32. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    I love how people who’ve never been inside a prison, even as a visitor, flap their gums about this stuff.

    Same Rex, I presume you mean Hinemanu?

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  33. wiitchypoo (1 comment) says:

    I think this scum should rot in hell and to bring back the death penalty, Karl was my step-cousin, he was a wonderful person that didn’t need to be murdered in such the way he was, i was horrified when this happened….really what is this world coming to, you can no longer walk the streets without the worry of who is walking out there with you!

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