Nelson wins 45 to 42

November 29th, 2007 at 4:04 pm by David Farrar

Brendan Nelson has defeated Malcolm Turnbull 45 – 42 for the Liberal Party leadership. Julie Bishop is Deputy,

Nelson should make Turnbull Shadow Treasurer.  That would be a fairly good team.  Still can’t see them being able to win in 2010 but events as always may influence that.

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26 Responses to “Nelson wins 45 to 42”

  1. Sam Dixon (630 comments) says:

    Until a few days ago you were still in the ‘I support John Howard’ group on facebook – left pretty quickly after the results came in though, eh? – so excuse me if I don’t take you as the word to follow on australian politics.

    [DPF: Sam you are such a pillock. The group was I support Prime Minister John Howard. He was no longer PM so it seemed inappropriate to continue. But I love the way you turn almost every single thread, no matter what the topic, into a personal attack on me. I'm actually sick enough of it, that you can take this as a final warning. Read the posting policy.]

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  2. Graeme Edgeler (3,280 comments) says:

    Beat me to it, Sam! I was going to ask if we’d be seeing:

    David Farrar left the group ‘Malcolm Turnbull for Liberal Party leader!’

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  3. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Gosh, Sam Dixon seems to be so upset over something- can’t wait to be first with a nasty comment about Mr. Farrar on each thread. Poor little commie thing. It will take the Liberals a while to find another leader with the qualities of John Howard. If ever. ..and if Krudd and his socialist/ union mates can create the same kind of gross perversion of democracy that occurs under the power obsessed Klark here in NZ, then it will be a while before he/ she ever looks like making PM, whoever he/ she may be by the time of the next election.

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  4. Lindsay Addie (1,393 comments) says:

    Isn’t winning the job of being leader of the Liberals getting the poisoned chalice?

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  5. Fost (102 comments) says:

    Sam Dixon, I suppose you’d have said “Look DPF is still in the I support John Howard group on facebook – doesn’t he know he’s resigned” if DPF didn’t leave. So I expect a nasty comments from you as a matter of course.

    Hey, I thought Howard would have continued to be a better PM than Rudd, not so much about Rudd himself – bland and inoffensive, rather “beige” you might say – but the people in the rest of the party. But Howard lost, conceded graciously and Rudd is PM. Unlike many on the left, us on the right are practical and deal with what is, rather than build loud castles of how you want the world to be.

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  6. Fost (102 comments) says:

    Oops – make that CLOUD CASTLES.

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  7. go NZ (59 comments) says:

    Congrats to Nelson and Bishop. It wont be long before the Ruddites get the speed wobbles,and try and please Kyoto madmen,Green loonies and rabid unionists all at the same time.

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  8. Sam Dixon (630 comments) says:

    David – its not an attack on you personally to say (as I did in the refugee thread) that you’re dogwhistling, dog whistling is a political tactic, and its not an attack on you personally to say that you haven’t proven yourself authoritative on Australian politics…

    these are critiques of you as a political commentator and every political actor is subject to them, that’s politics.

    I’m going to continue to critique your spin and when you dogwhistle to the bigots. I don’t want to be banned but if that leads to you banning me, that’ll be too bad; I won’t sellout and this blog is no longer the focal point of political debate it once was at any rate. There’s a danger of Kiwiblog reverting to being the echo chamber it was a few years ago, and that’s a shame.

    [DPF: Oh stop talking shit Sam. You do nothing but make a series of smear attacks on me. Take the Nelson as Leader thread. It would be nice if occassionally you played theball not the man. Where is your comment on the respective merits of Nelson vs Turnbull? That's the discussion I wanted. But no Sam as usual just takes it as an opportunity to attack em personally. Well Sam, you have been warned. Don't kid yourself that you give this site a shred of credibility]

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  9. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Mr Turnbull denied he would challenge for the leadership soon.

    “They’ve chosen a leader and a deputy leader and they have my absolute support,” he said”.

    Sound of large knives being sharpened in the background.

    Was it Phil Goff who just said recently at the last reshuffle how much he supported the Mistress of Texting?

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  10. NX (604 comments) says:

    Well… I didn’t like the sound of Turnbull because he was president of the republican movement. Plus I’ve heard Turnbull rubs lefties up the wrong way – which isn’t what they need while in opposition.

    I’ve read Nelson’s Wikipedia profile. He’s a physician who used to belong to the Labor party. So someone with a broad background & can perhaps see both sides of an argument.

    I wish him well. He’s going to have his work cut out for him.

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  11. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Plus I’ve heard Turnbull rubs lefties up the wrong way – which isn’t what they need while in opposition.”

    Jezuz!!?? What do they need then? Someone who sucks up to lefties? Great ‘opposition’ that makes.

    The only good thing I can think of to say about Nelson is that he rides a Triumph. He’s for the Kyoto protocol, he’s got no charisma, and he apologises too much for any views that he perceives as perhaps veering a little too far to the right. . Lindsay Addie above could be correct, and I reckon the Nats have only elected him as a fill in. Its my guess Turnbull will be leader before the next election.

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  12. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    May very well be the best thing that ever happened to Turnbull, though I’m sure he doesn’t think so right now.

    And, Sam Dixon, please get off the cross Miss Martyr. We need the wood for something useful. I’m sick of the way of you lie, distort and troll around, then play the victim when you get called on it. You’re as pathetic as D4J and Redbaiter when they throw themselves a pity party. Get over yourself.

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  13. ghostwhowalks (389 comments) says:

    Can DPF be just as quick to join Brendan Nelsons facebook friends as he was in dumping from John Howard ?

    Ooowhh , CR seems grumpy tonight. Normally he hoists himself on his own petard

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  14. ghostwhowalks (389 comments) says:

    Correction to above in light of first posts, John Howard is STILL PM of Australia. I presume an actual handover takes place next week, but no doubt the rats will have left the sinking ship long before

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  15. tim barclay (886 comments) says:

    If people keep saying they will not win in 2010 they won’t. Much will depend on Nelson and whether Turnbill can work under him. He put on a pretty impressive performance and so did Julie Bishop so my initial depression as having him as leader has subsided. So far so good.

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  16. Tina (687 comments) says:

    NZ distance doesn’t lend itself to prescience….
    Turnbull has shown recent tendencies to being an Eastern suburb wet ….he forgot Rudd won by saying “me too” re the substance.

    Nelson… terrible TV performer, makes Brash look like Seinfeld…forget it.
    A temporary leader.

    Costello with any luck will be back asap.
    He regularly demolishes Rudd at Question Time….best parliamentary performer on either side, second is daylight.
    Peter’s not gone, just resting, Rudd has maybe a year and a half til he starts sweating.

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  17. lloydois (268 comments) says:

    If this is the best they can come up with after more than 11 years in government. It demonstrates how correct Howard was to run the government virtually single-handed.

    Nelson is obviously being set up as the fall guy but it guarantees instability and leadership challenges sooner rather than later. He’s a charisma free zone , inarticulate and will never be PM material depite his self delusions.

    I’ve personal experience of his ‘caring’ nature, (someone should grill him about his brother) and I suspect once Labor lets loose on some of his ludicrous and deeply unpopular decisions re procurement in Defence he’s history.

    Then again if they’re smart they’ll just leave him where he is as he’s guaranteed to be totally ineffectual.

    How the landscape changes in 1 week! It’s going to be a very merry Xmas for Labor supporters in Oz!!!!!!!!!!

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  18. Paul W (266 comments) says:

    Nelson’s been preparing for this moment, although I wonder if he thought it would ever come, for years. He has assiduously cultivated backbenchers and worked the state organisations. He’s a very very different leader than Howard was, a far more progressive and genuinely liberal individual. Menzies is famous for saying that the Liberal Party has two proud traditions, the conservative and liberal traditions. The liberal tradition has been well and truly in the background and I think Nelson will revive it. Turnbull’s smart enough to know that if he waits, he may still get the chance to lead – few leaders survive the rebuilding and recontesting phases of opposition.

    Oh and BTW, Nelson immediately appointed Turnbull as Treasurer. They are still pretty stuffed but. The Libs are looking at at least two terms in opposition plus lots more in-fighting to come – that’s not my view by the way, that’s the view of the doyen of Australian press, Paul Kelly.

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  19. lloydois (268 comments) says:

    Paul may see himself as the doyen of the Australian press, the rest of us see a somewhat pompous individual with way too much gravitas and a somewhat inflated ego, prone to pontificating, often wrong, occassionally spot on.

    The Oz lost a true star on Sunday- Matty Price. Now there was a journalist, sadly missed and gone way too soon.

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  20. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    ghostwholies:

    Good try, but I guess when it comes to getting hoisted on your own petard, your exposure as a liar when you accused me of ‘supporting a pedophile’ is a damn good example. Why don’t you try contributing something to the discussion, rather than running your pathetic little smears?

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  21. Rex Widerstrom (5,346 comments) says:

    Oh gawd, what’s-his-name and Ms Twinset-and-Pearls.

    At least I can use my “bland leading the bland” quip a lot now ;-D

    Not that I’m a Ruddite – far from it. Just that the Libs, state and federal, would be hard pressed to find anyone who’s the registered owner of a personality.

    lloydois – Too true. Glad to see someone else appreciated Matt. Nice bloke (he rang me to do an interview once and we talked about everything except the topic for 40 minutes. He got no story and I got no publicity. But it was one of the most entertaining and enjoyable 40 minutes of my life) and damned fine journo.

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  22. Neil (577 comments) says:

    A real surprise.
    Is Costello staying as an MP or is he resigning from Parliament ?. Costello is the complete performer in the House.If things fall apart under Rudd the cry from Australia will be “Come back Peter.All is forgiven” Quite a shrewd move by Costello in not standing now.
    The leadership challenge and result effectively delineates the Howard past from the future. Very shrewd and most of the correspondents have got it wrong saying that the Liberals are in the cart.
    Brendon Nelson speaks well at the dispatch box,watch Aussie question time on Sky. He does it without notes and is vigorous. Julie Bishop is very like Nelson, handles the dispatch box fluently, does her homework and exposes the Liberal leadership to the female gender.
    Remember Labour governments have vision,passion,philosophy,are loved by ther intelligensia but usually hurt the ordinary person- think of Gough Whitlam and Paul Keating. Those two are about the biggest intellectual snobs in Australia.

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  23. lloydois (268 comments) says:

    Blog commentof the day and pretty well nails it. All you need to know about the succesison……

    “Brylcream Nelson, the guy looks like he’s in rigour mortis when he talks. He’s as about as interesting as a broken collar bone. I looked on the “True Royal Blue” website called Sky news and 78% of them thought Turnbull was the best man for the job.
    I’m a fair man, and I thought Turnbull had some principals. He did try to get Kyoto past the Rodent, he says he agrees with the sorry word for aboriginal people, he has come out and agreed with the Australian people that Workchoices in a dudder. I guess having Principals and actually listening to the australian people disqualifies you from being the leader of the Liberal Party.

    Today the Liberal Party showed thay are not ready to change. It’s a pity for the country but a blessing for the ALP. We need a strong opposition, alas with the good Doctor, that ain’t gunna happen.”

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  24. Tina (687 comments) says:

    Ah…it’s started already, reports from Perth that union heavies have turned
    an independent concrete truck driver away from a building site, entry was conditional on him joining the BWU…..he refused.
    This is an illegal union action.

    Rudd is sucking his thumb.

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  25. natural party of govt (461 comments) says:

    Mr Turnball is just happy being the member for Wentworth.

    When I was last living in Australia Nelson was seen (by Liberals) as being a bit flaky, self-absorbed and self-promoting.

    he seems to have shrugged that off…or perhaps that is what it takes to be a conservative leader these days (John Key?)

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  26. Peak Oil Conspiracy (3,295 comments) says:

    Natural Party of Govt:

    I watched 7:30 Report where Kerry O’Brien interviewed Nelson. He presented as woffly and (surprisingly for an incoming leader of a nationally-based political party) insufferably boring. He’ll need plenty of media training about staying on-message and delivering crisp, punchy lines. Tonight he did neither of those.

    I also think Nelson comes with political baggage, being a former Labor member. Indeed, he only left Labor 2-3 years before reinventing himself as a trendy Liberal. To his credit, though, he did play up Labor’s me-tooism credentials during the interview.

    An interesting fact to come out of the same programme is that Rudd’s father was a member of Australia’s National Party. Coupled with the fact that Nelson is ex-Labor, one has to wonder about a centralisation of the Australian political landscape, and what that means.

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