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	<title>Comments on: The best-laid plans of mice and men often go awry</title>
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		<title>By: hinamanu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-371788</link>
		<dc:creator>hinamanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And Dave C- if you really want to know whether I’m an environmental lawyer, just ask Nome, he’s got all the proof remember?&quot;

what kind of lawyer is Cacofinix??

That nutbar squirrel.  A very hairy lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And Dave C- if you really want to know whether I’m an environmental lawyer, just ask Nome, he’s got all the proof remember?&#8221;</p>
<p>what kind of lawyer is Cacofinix??</p>
<p>That nutbar squirrel.  A very hairy lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: hinamanu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-371787</link>
		<dc:creator>hinamanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Like a frozen solid Chunk” spitting out a luke warm stream of dribbling cream”


eww,, and it&#039;s sour cream,,  yucckkk!!

Nice picture though if you see through the contradiction.

Now I know someone understands me, cause I started off this line of thought  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Like a frozen solid Chunk” spitting out a luke warm stream of dribbling cream”</p>
<p>eww,, and it&#8217;s sour cream,,  yucckkk!!</p>
<p>Nice picture though if you see through the contradiction.</p>
<p>Now I know someone understands me, cause I started off this line of thought  <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: kehua</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-371782</link>
		<dc:creator>kehua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>david&quot;how does a solid block of ice dictate?&#039;&#039;

&quot;Like a frozen solid Chunk&quot; spitting out a luke warm stream of dribbling cream&quot;

{courtesy of A.D.K. and Eskimo Nell}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>david&#8221;how does a solid block of ice dictate?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Like a frozen solid Chunk&#8221; spitting out a luke warm stream of dribbling cream&#8221;</p>
<p>{courtesy of A.D.K. and Eskimo Nell}</p>
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		<title>By: david c</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-371424</link>
		<dc:creator>david c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you helmet, I appreciate the courtesy =D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you helmet, I appreciate the courtesy =D</p>
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		<title>By: helmet</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-371146</link>
		<dc:creator>helmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 03:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Dave C- if you really want to know whether I&#039;m an environmental lawyer, just ask Nome, he&#039;s got all the proof remember?

Just in case he doesn&#039;t come through with the goods though, and &#039;cos you seem like a decent bloke, if he admits he was lying about the statements he said I made, I&#039;ll settle the issue for you and tell you if I am or not, just so you can sleep easy ok mate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Dave C- if you really want to know whether I&#8217;m an environmental lawyer, just ask Nome, he&#8217;s got all the proof remember?</p>
<p>Just in case he doesn&#8217;t come through with the goods though, and &#8216;cos you seem like a decent bloke, if he admits he was lying about the statements he said I made, I&#8217;ll settle the issue for you and tell you if I am or not, just so you can sleep easy ok mate?</p>
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		<title>By: helmet</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-371141</link>
		<dc:creator>helmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 03:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No proof from Nome still? The lying little cretin&#039;s been caught shooting his mouth off....again.
How many times is it now that you&#039;ve been sprung lying PJ? It&#039;s getting too easy lately boy, c&#039;mon and show some spirit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No proof from Nome still? The lying little cretin&#8217;s been caught shooting his mouth off&#8230;.again.<br />
How many times is it now that you&#8217;ve been sprung lying PJ? It&#8217;s getting too easy lately boy, c&#8217;mon and show some spirit!</p>
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		<title>By: Seamonkey Madness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seamonkey Madness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 03:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Cullen - take a letter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Cullen &#8211; take a letter.</p>
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		<title>By: david c</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-370946</link>
		<dc:creator>david c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A block of ice that doesn’t see, hear or reason.

Just dictates.&quot;


How does a block of ice dictate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A block of ice that doesn’t see, hear or reason.</p>
<p>Just dictates.&#8221;</p>
<p>How does a block of ice dictate?</p>
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		<title>By: hinamanu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-370912</link>
		<dc:creator>hinamanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Cold contempt/disdain &quot;


What a perfect description of Helen.

She&#039;s not even a masochist, that would invole passion.

A block of ice that doesn&#039;t see, hear or reason.

Just dictates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Cold contempt/disdain &#8221;</p>
<p>What a perfect description of Helen.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s not even a masochist, that would invole passion.</p>
<p>A block of ice that doesn&#8217;t see, hear or reason.</p>
<p>Just dictates.</p>
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		<title>By: tom hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-370909</link>
		<dc:creator>tom hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;t think you are confusing ‘cold contempt/disdain ‘ with ‘boiling anger’..eh..?)&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Naaah. Cold contempt/disdain is pretty much the standard leftist pose, particularly when it issues from such a virtuous person as yourself, so when any the pot starts to boil it&#039;s quite obvious.

Your mockery of quite ordinary fellow New Zealanders was nothing new either - I just thought I&#039;d ladle a little back your way to see how you dealt with it.

It would appear that you were not amused!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;t think you are confusing ‘cold contempt/disdain ‘ with ‘boiling anger’..eh..?)&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Naaah. Cold contempt/disdain is pretty much the standard leftist pose, particularly when it issues from such a virtuous person as yourself, so when any the pot starts to boil it&#8217;s quite obvious.</p>
<p>Your mockery of quite ordinary fellow New Zealanders was nothing new either &#8211; I just thought I&#8217;d ladle a little back your way to see how you dealt with it.</p>
<p>It would appear that you were not amused!</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-370896</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey...
We could have points system for validity of statements on this blog.
Lawyers get 100points. Tertiary qualified in general 50 points. Politicians (not in afore mention categories) 10 points. Dumd-arse normal plebs -30.

There could be a &#039;bubble sort&#039; routine that keeps the clever little lawyers comments at the top and dumb-arses at the bottom... just like real life.

Lawyers-legends in their own mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey&#8230;<br />
We could have points system for validity of statements on this blog.<br />
Lawyers get 100points. Tertiary qualified in general 50 points. Politicians (not in afore mention categories) 10 points. Dumd-arse normal plebs -30.</p>
<p>There could be a &#8216;bubble sort&#8217; routine that keeps the clever little lawyers comments at the top and dumb-arses at the bottom&#8230; just like real life.</p>
<p>Lawyers-legends in their own mind.</p>
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		<title>By: helmet</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-370884</link>
		<dc:creator>helmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Phil-  dogba bitch? helmet@co.nz?

I only post under one name, so I&#039;ve no idea what you&#039;re on about sorry pal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Phil-  dogba bitch? <a href="mailto:helmet@co.nz">helmet@co.nz</a>?</p>
<p>I only post under one name, so I&#8217;ve no idea what you&#8217;re on about sorry pal.</p>
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		<title>By: helmet</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-370878</link>
		<dc:creator>helmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shucks Phil, you&#039;re quoting Roger Nome&#039;s deranged drivel there, not me.

Seeing as Phil U doesn&#039;t delete comments, and no comment exists to back up Rogers stalker claims, I&#039;m still waiting for evidence. Just a link will do. A  link to where I say I&#039;m an environmental lawyer, if it exists.

I know Roger&#039;s a perverted little prick, but I just don&#039;t see what my job, relationship status, size of my dick and the other rubbish he keeps harping on about have anything to do with the EFB or anything else.

So David, Stan, forgive me if I don&#039;t wait for some, y&#039;know, evidence before I have to apologise ay guys?

I&#039;ve stated my job on this blog before, so it&#039;s no big secret. If you&#039;re that desperate to find out what it is, try a google search you retards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shucks Phil, you&#8217;re quoting Roger Nome&#8217;s deranged drivel there, not me.</p>
<p>Seeing as Phil U doesn&#8217;t delete comments, and no comment exists to back up Rogers stalker claims, I&#8217;m still waiting for evidence. Just a link will do. A  link to where I say I&#8217;m an environmental lawyer, if it exists.</p>
<p>I know Roger&#8217;s a perverted little prick, but I just don&#8217;t see what my job, relationship status, size of my dick and the other rubbish he keeps harping on about have anything to do with the EFB or anything else.</p>
<p>So David, Stan, forgive me if I don&#8217;t wait for some, y&#8217;know, evidence before I have to apologise ay guys?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve stated my job on this blog before, so it&#8217;s no big secret. If you&#8217;re that desperate to find out what it is, try a google search you retards.</p>
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		<title>By: Stanley Climbfall</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-370864</link>
		<dc:creator>Stanley Climbfall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s probably too pussy to come back to this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s probably too pussy to come back to this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Stanley Climbfall</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-370863</link>
		<dc:creator>Stanley Climbfall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too. To repost what Phil alleges he wrote on his blog:

&lt;i&gt;I am a right winger I suppose, but am an environmental lawyer and although I do not agree with you often, and I think you get a little too personal&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too. To repost what Phil alleges he wrote on his blog:</p>
<p><i>I am a right winger I suppose, but am an environmental lawyer and although I do not agree with you often, and I think you get a little too personal</i></p>
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		<title>By: david c</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-370849</link>
		<dc:creator>david c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to know if Helmet&#039;s an environmental lawyer or not.... 

And if he&#039;s going to apologise to Roger for calling him a liar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to know if Helmet&#8217;s an environmental lawyer or not&#8230;. </p>
<p>And if he&#8217;s going to apologise to Roger for calling him a liar?</p>
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		<title>By: bwakile</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-370829</link>
		<dc:creator>bwakile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talking of Dunne I hope some nameless party will have the balls to put a decent candidate up against him so we can see him in action backed into a corner. His waffle just may not cut it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking of Dunne I hope some nameless party will have the balls to put a decent candidate up against him so we can see him in action backed into a corner. His waffle just may not cut it.</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-370821</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bill has undoubtably become more complex since it re-emerged from the Select Committee. With so many Parts, Clauses and Sub-clauses, the Committee stage of the debate will be protracted, with doubtless numerous amendments moved on almost every clause and sub-clause. Will the government be able to get through the Committee stage in five sitting days so that it can have its Third Reading before the House rises for Christmas?

Interestingly, Peter Dunne&#039;s position on the EFB is now clear. UF will support the revised Bill, but oppose any urgency motion to rush it through. Which is grandstanding in the extreme - Dunne knows that UF&#039;s votes will not affect the urgency motion if Labour, Greens &amp; NZ First support it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bill has undoubtably become more complex since it re-emerged from the Select Committee. With so many Parts, Clauses and Sub-clauses, the Committee stage of the debate will be protracted, with doubtless numerous amendments moved on almost every clause and sub-clause. Will the government be able to get through the Committee stage in five sitting days so that it can have its Third Reading before the House rises for Christmas?</p>
<p>Interestingly, Peter Dunne&#8217;s position on the EFB is now clear. UF will support the revised Bill, but oppose any urgency motion to rush it through. Which is grandstanding in the extreme &#8211; Dunne knows that UF&#8217;s votes will not affect the urgency motion if Labour, Greens &amp; NZ First support it.</p>
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		<title>By: Camryn</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-370800</link>
		<dc:creator>Camryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helena Catt lectured me at university. She might give pause to those on the left on this thread who think their legal interpretation is the shit...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10477647
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10477656

The EFB is clearly rushed and flawed. If the previous law was so bad that it absolutely had to be replaced, why was it left until now to do so? The rush has led to seriously bad new law with no consultation. Undue haste indicates undue motivation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helena Catt lectured me at university. She might give pause to those on the left on this thread who think their legal interpretation is the shit&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10477647" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10477647</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10477656" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10477656</a></p>
<p>The EFB is clearly rushed and flawed. If the previous law was so bad that it absolutely had to be replaced, why was it left until now to do so? The rush has led to seriously bad new law with no consultation. Undue haste indicates undue motivation!</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/the_best-laid_plans_of_mice_and_men_often_go_awry.html#comment-370797</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tom said..

&quot;..Now that’s a terrible thing to say about someone from whom you lifted some quotes to your blog a few weeks ago, with comments such as “makes the most sense” and had “good historical perspective”..&quot;

so..what happened..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tom said..</p>
<p>&#8220;..Now that’s a terrible thing to say about someone from whom you lifted some quotes to your blog a few weeks ago, with comments such as “makes the most sense” and had “good historical perspective”..&#8221;</p>
<p>so..what happened..?</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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