Sam “I have a law degree” Dixon is making stuff up again. He’s been called on it. Several times.

Well we all agree on that then

No problem there sonic, you have yet to make a point anyway.

You’re the one who continues to mislay things, most notably any facts that challenge your delusions. We’ve had this conversation before, and I remember it, and I remember providing the example, but to you it never existed. That’s the leftist mindset you see- no facts or information that challenges their sick oppressive religion can ever be permitted to exist.

Exercising my freedom of speech?

Ok I’ll log of now and not return. I’m sure that will make all of my points go away.

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But what if they were children there? I would have taken my children if they had been able to come. What do I say to them when they bring projects home about democracy at school?

This government is stealing our democracy from under our feet. If I am not prepared to get out there and protest about what the government is doing, then I don’t deserve to live in a democracy.

I’m interested in why your favourite party modified the EFB to put some limit on anonymous donations, but only if the anonymous donations were more than Labour collected. So it wasn’t a principle thing, it was a screw National thing. The right answer was to require all anonymous donations to be under $1000, which National would quite happily have signed up to.

I think you’ll find that the law won’t make any difference to National’s donations, whilst people would probably rather their names weren’t known they will at the end of the day still donate. So it really achieves nothing for Labour in terms of reducing National’s funding, despite attempting to do so. But it is petty and spiteful, basically saying that you have to disclose your name and address even if it isn’t in your personal best interest to do so, and opening you up to discrimination on the basis of your political views. In short, creating pain for a bunch of people and achieving absolutely nothing useful in the process. But of course, that was the point, it was always about making life difficult for National supporters, not about principle.

By the way, has anybody yet shown that this legislation would actually have caught the EB campaign – so far as I can tell none of the amendments have closed the loopholes, so if the EB wanted they could go ahead and run exactly the same campaign this election as they did last. Now that is some really shoddy drafting – not achieving your stated intent at all.

By my count, between 1.52pm and 3.21pm you have made 18 posts about a demonstration you neither participated in nor witnessed.

On a topic you think is a non-event.

Disconnect, anyone?

sam suggesting ‘one third’ is utter rubbish but there were one or two kids. perhaps their parents thought it important for them to see their mum/dad being prepared to stand up for what they believe in.

Personally I’ve been involved in a few demos that had a humiliating turnout, and I know how it stings.

However the best solution is not to justify it, it is to resolve to do better next time.

the more voices we have online the better, and you have a voice that should be heard.

“It was sub 200 marchers, and about a third of them were kids their parents had taken out of school to boost numbers.”

Were you even there? I saw a few pre-school children, but didn’t notice any school-age children at all. Did any other participants think a third of the marchers were school-age kids? Or is Sam just making stuff up again.

Have you actually read any of your contributions above?

I’d suggest a test for political Altzimers disease my friend.

Sorry Krazy, but all demonstrations are about numbers, thats the whole point of them, “demonstrating” how many people are for/against a particular thing.

So because there were only 6 Young Labour folks rarking things up a bit can we assume that the rest of Young Labour joins us in opposing the legislation? Of couse not. Neither does the number demonstrating have any bearing on the disgust that so many people feel.

I was there – my first ever protest march, and I was one of quite a few. I spoke to a labour supporter who’d never demonstrated and we were joined by a green supporter who claimed to have never demonstrated (tho he had collect petition signatures on the street). There was a surprising level of uniformity of our dislike for what Labour and their poodles are doing.

Oh, incidentally I asked 23 people (who I’d never met before) if they worked in the public service.

Result: Nil.

Hmmmmm

perhaps if you joined my campaign for all parties to open the books we could see where we are at.

Poor Bevan.

Poor sonic, when given examples from even his narrow request he defaults to playing the man not the ball…

I would shake my head, but considering thats Labour’s standard tactic these days I guess its to be expected….

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