Clark & Rudd

December 10th, 2007 at 12:21 pm by David Farrar

Good to see Helen Clark having an early meeting with Kevin Rudd. The trans-tasman relationship is a crucial one for New Zealand, and nowhere it is more important than at head of government level.

I think both Clark and John Howard deserved praise for their very good and professional relationship, despite being from different sides of the political spectrum.

Sadly they have been rare exceptions. Shipley and Howard got one fine. But Bolger despised Keating (for good reason – he betrayed us). Lange and Hawke had a personality clash, and Fraser despised Muldoon (also for good reason).

I think Rudd will be quite a good Prime Minister. Australian Labor is quite moderate in some areas, for example:

WAYNE Swan has guaranteed he will deliver Labor’s $31 billion tax-cut plan, flatly rejecting the push from social progressives for Labor to instead spend the money on better services.

Insisting the cuts will ease pressure on inflation and interest rates by boosting workforce participation, the new Treasurer has also promised an austere first budget in May, delivering on election promises but offering no surprises outside further cuts in spending.

In an interview with The Weekend Australian yesterday, Mr Swan declared Labor “the party of middle Australia”, promising its emphasis would be on economic conservatism to build and maintain prosperity.

Under the proposed cuts, by 2010 the 15 per cent tax rate will apply to incomes of up to $37,000, the 40 per cent tax rate will be cut to 37 per cent and the 45 per cent rate will be cut to 42per cent.

In NZ one pays 15% uo to $9,500 only.  In Australia it ill be up to $37,000.

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31 Responses to “Clark & Rudd”

  1. pdm (844 comments) says:

    Oh my god – didn’t Helen tell Rudd tax cuts are inflationary and you only offer them when you are totally desperate in election year. Even then only after you have shafted the voters with two bills which will ensure no one can say bad things about you and ensure you have unlimited tax payer dollars to spend.

    That boy obviously has a lot to learn about how Labour govenments should operate. She will have to spend more time over there getting him on track.

    BTW I note she saw him after church and not at church.

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  2. ghostwhowalks (377 comments) says:

    Funny DPF left this bit out of the block quote :

    “During the election campaign, Labor adopted the bulk of the Coalition’s tax plan but deferred $2.9 billion of cuts for higher-income earners to fund its promise to subsidise computers for school students and reduce elective surgery waiting lists”

    And this bit”Labor’s goal is to have just three tax rates, not four, by 2013-14 — 15 per cent, 30 per cent and 40 per cent. “

    Only three tax rates , well we are allready there in NZ with 3 rates.

    The reality is much of the cuts are just indexing and bringing the tax steps down to the system we have in NZ.

    I wonder how soon they will start counting their GST as part of Federal Government revenue. Under a quirk of their system GST is not counted as Federal tax but counted like local council rates in NZ.
    This tends to give misleading numbers of the Australian Federal govt share of GDP

    [DPF: In Australia you will pay less tax at every income level up to around $200,000. Quite the opposite to what Ghost suggest. ]

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  3. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    But was I the only one who had a giggle at Rudd and Clark discussing climate change policy. What’s the carbon footprint of a flight from Auckland to Brisbane for lunch and a photo-op? Was anything said or done that couldn’t have been said over a conference call – besides the media scrum, that is?

    I know Helen needs all the positive PR she can get at the moment – and standing next to a winner is better than the mess at home – but really… Just another pair of chickenhawk eco-warrior, who rack up the frequent-flier miles not practicing what they preach.

    Unlike ‘climate activist’ George Monbiot, whose appearances at the Writers and Readers Week jamboree in Wellington next year will be via ‘real-time videoconferencing’.

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  4. ghostwhowalks (377 comments) says:

    DPF also left out the bit where Rudd will scrap the equivalent of the Employment Contracts Act..

    Rose tinted glasses seem to have been an early Xmas present

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  5. Michael E (274 comments) says:

    Plus in NZ we pay an ACC Levy of 1.6c per dollar of income. And GST on almost everything of 12.5%

    Australia has a 1.5c per dollar of income levy to pay for the entire health service, plus an additional 1% for high income earners who don’t have private cover. And GST of 10% on goods not deemed to be essential, like fresh food and most groceries.

    So overall, the rate of tax taken are probably already comparable. And Australia are slashing theirs.

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  6. ghostwhowalks (377 comments) says:

    Helen was going to Bali , via Brisbane anyway

    Notice how the comments go from, “whats this Kyoto fraud” “I have allways believed in Climate Change” ( Key takes his Kids to Hawaii for mid year break go figure) to how dare Helen fly anywhere.

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  7. ghostwhowalks (377 comments) says:

    1.5c per dollar to pay for the entire health system, you truly are barking mad.

    How come Australia insists on people on working visas get health Insurance for acute and non acute care that cost $4500 pa

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  8. 3-coil (1,219 comments) says:

    Clark on Radio NZ National this morning claimed she got on well with John Howard regardless of their different political orientations, different age group, different gender….WTF!

    She got along with Howard, despite the fact that he is a male? Is this unusual – does she usually have problems communicating with the 50% of the population with a Y chromosone?

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  9. pdm (844 comments) says:

    `Helen was going to Bali, via Brisbane anyway’

    Is that correct – I thought she told Paul Holmes she was back in NZ this morning.

    Was that H2 who got out of the car with her?

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  10. Adam Smith (890 comments) says:

    GWW Australian GST revenue goes to the States, I am led to believe, it is pass through at Federal level – thus is not I would suggest part of the Federal take of the tax dollar.

    The fact that Aussie Labour are deferring $2.7 billion, but still implementing over %30 billion is radically deifferent from NZ, plus note they are deferring not cancelling.

    In addition, Rudd has not siaid Labour will rollback all of Howard’s workplace reforms.

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  11. Tina (687 comments) says:

    Will Swan have some fatherly advice for Cullen?
    Will Mickey sulk?

    That’s AU$31 BILLION going back to its original owners.

    Truely, ghostwho knows so little about the Aust setup it’s not worth commenting.

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  12. James Sleep (477 comments) says:

    She is back in the country, she was on ‘Breakfast’ this morning.

    And yes it was Heather Simpson getting out of the car.

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  13. NX (504 comments) says:

    And yes it was Heather Simpson getting out of the car.

    Well if both H1 & H2 were in Australia, who was running the country?

    I think it goes to show how powerful H2 that she accompanies the PM for the first official 2 hours meeting with the new Aussie PM. I suspect H2’s main task would be to talk campaign strategies. Probably asking for a loan or something dodgy. After all she was the one who badgered the poor chief electoral office for $800k +.
    H2 once said she likes people to fear her but doesn’t respect anyone who does.

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  14. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    Is that correct -

    Nope… GhostWhoLies makes it up again. Seriously, Ghostie, is someone holding your family hostage, and threatening to kill them all if you post a comment here that doesn’t contain at least one outright fib?

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  15. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    And I’d love to see Treasurer Swan share his definition of “economic conservatism’ because I sure didn’t see a lot on display from either the ALP or the Coalition during the campaign – which resembled nothing so much as an explosion in a lolly warehouse. Perhaps I’m missing something, because no fiscal conservatives I’m aware of would be collectively promising almost a hundred and twenty billion dollars in new spending and tax cuts.

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  16. first time caller (384 comments) says:

    Really, Clarkula can stand by whoever she likes for photo opportunities in the next year, and lets face it – she will.

    But, I’m really just so over seeing her all the time, that it’s time for a change.

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  17. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    I see the carbon footprint for all the tossers going to Bali is estimated at 115,000 tons. Still who gives a shit if they can go lick Al Bores ass.

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  18. Tina (687 comments) says:

    And all with zero Federal deficits on existing forward figures….nifty eh Craig.

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  19. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Labor and Labour have as much in common as the spelling.

    Labor is a centre party (if you use then old 20th century political language)

    Labour is a facist social party

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  20. Castafiore (262 comments) says:

    Absolutely right,

    Labour is Mugabes South Pacific outpost.

    The problem that Labour here has is they have made a mockery of the very people that put them into power which is why Middle NZers are now shunning WinstoneFirst and Dunny Boy.
    Middle NZ does not take kindly to their right of free speech- long believed to be safe- suddenly being abused by a despotic feminista called Helen.

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  21. Castafiore (262 comments) says:

    I also felt very sorry for the poor Federal chauffuers that had to deliver H1 to Rudds house because in the back of the car with H1 was no less than H2 as well.

    Imagine having not one but two of NZ’s most glamorous woman in the back of your car !!!

    Poor Kevin Rudd he probably didn’t know we had such talent over here!!

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  22. tim barclay (886 comments) says:

    It is our most important relationship but it is not Kevin Rudd’s. A bit like us and Fiji. But John Howard was utterly professional in his dealings and to be fair so was Helen Clark in return but every now and then she slipped. Keating was an oaf to Bolger but that did not prevent Bolger was being utterly professional in return. Lange stood on toes everywhere and did this country much harm. I note there was no foreign contingent at his funeral and that says it all.

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  23. ghostwhowalks (377 comments) says:

    H1 & H2 gave the Chauffeur something to dangle from the rear vision mirror instead of fluffy dice….Castafore’s knuts.

    And they would have said .. step on the gas

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  24. ghostwhowalks (377 comments) says:

    So Ranapia is right Rudd is going to Bali but Clark didnt.

    …pair discussed trade, the recent East Asia summit and Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting, the Pacific and the Bali conference, where Mr Rudd will also symbolically lead Australia’s re-entry into multilateralism on the global approach to climate change…

    There and back on one day. Boy she a hard worker.

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  25. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    H1 & H2 are both women??

    I thought H2 was Micheal Cullen

    Who is H2?

    [H2 is Heather Simpson - Chief of Staff to the PM.]

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  26. Tina (687 comments) says:

    Labor hardheads in Aust. are rumoured to be in an ever increasing state of agitation re Rudd and his desire for Kyoto posturing in Bali.

    Aust govt payments of carbon fines to Eastern Europeans are assessed as being unsaleable to the Aust. electorate.

    Some smart operators at Labor’s head office….. I suspect.

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  27. PaulL (5,981 comments) says:

    Labor in Australia will do what Labour in NZ (and every other signatory) did. Sign the thing and then ignore it, continuing to emit carbon with a slight air of self congratulation for having made an gesture that shows how important the global warming problem is. Did NZ ever actually buy any carbon credits, or just talk about it? Has it happened again in subsequent years?

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  28. Tina (687 comments) says:

    “ENVIRONMENT Minister Peter Garrett has spent his first day at the Bali climate conference dodging questions on whether Australia will support short-term targets for cuts to greenhouse emissions.”

    :-) …… they decided to let the Kiwis do that stuff instead.

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