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	<title>Comments on: Free Speech Coalition saddened by passage of Electoral Finance Bill</title>
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		<title>By: rouppe</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/free_speech_coalition_saddened_by_passage_of_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-385442</link>
		<dc:creator>rouppe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hori I retract what I said about the Expeditionary Force being volunteers. At the outbreak of the war there was no conscription so enlisted men were volunteers, but conscrption was introduced 9 months later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hori I retract what I said about the Expeditionary Force being volunteers. At the outbreak of the war there was no conscription so enlisted men were volunteers, but conscrption was introduced 9 months later.</p>
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		<title>By: rouppe</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/free_speech_coalition_saddened_by_passage_of_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-385386</link>
		<dc:creator>rouppe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hori

It is never pleasant to lose family in war. My uncle still has a bullet in him from his service in the Spanish Civil War. He was subject to compulsory military service at the time and had no choice.

The way that the 2NZEF ended up in the war is by the then Prime Minister Michael Joseph Savage declaring war on Germany, and by volunteers joining up.

I am drawing parallels between a government in the 30&#039;s and 40&#039;s that was totalitarian, unable to tolerate dissent, and downright evil, and a government of 2000-2007 that is so far two of those things. I am publishing these thoughts precisely because I fear where the trend is heading.

It is nonsense that because I have such distaste for this government that I apply those thoughts to Labour and its supporters throughout history. Just as it is nonsense to brand Germans now by the standard of Germans then.

I have absolutely no idea what you&#039;re trying to say with the Balkans thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hori</p>
<p>It is never pleasant to lose family in war. My uncle still has a bullet in him from his service in the Spanish Civil War. He was subject to compulsory military service at the time and had no choice.</p>
<p>The way that the 2NZEF ended up in the war is by the then Prime Minister Michael Joseph Savage declaring war on Germany, and by volunteers joining up.</p>
<p>I am drawing parallels between a government in the 30&#8242;s and 40&#8242;s that was totalitarian, unable to tolerate dissent, and downright evil, and a government of 2000-2007 that is so far two of those things. I am publishing these thoughts precisely because I fear where the trend is heading.</p>
<p>It is nonsense that because I have such distaste for this government that I apply those thoughts to Labour and its supporters throughout history. Just as it is nonsense to brand Germans now by the standard of Germans then.</p>
<p>I have absolutely no idea what you&#8217;re trying to say with the Balkans thing.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grumpyoldhori

Are you suggesting &#039;one rule for all&#039;. Can I now call you a racist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grumpyoldhori</p>
<p>Are you suggesting &#8216;one rule for all&#8217;. Can I now call you a racist?</p>
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		<title>By: grumpyoldhori</title>
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		<dc:creator>grumpyoldhori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>burt
     By a group of people you mean the EB?
 
 If so should every male in NZ have the same rights and responsibilities,  with no exceptions?
 
 Could you explain why my kid brother was 
called up for military training,  but the EB got 
a pass?
So total equality with no exceptions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>burt<br />
     By a group of people you mean the EB?</p>
<p> If so should every male in NZ have the same rights and responsibilities,  with no exceptions?</p>
<p> Could you explain why my kid brother was<br />
called up for military training,  but the EB got<br />
a pass?<br />
So total equality with no exceptions?</p>
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		<title>By: grumpyoldhori</title>
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		<dc:creator>grumpyoldhori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rouppe
          You are trying to draw parallels between
a scrap between two political partys and 
supporters on both sides and genocide in 
Europe.
Now I may have been harsh, but, I have three 
members of my family buried overseas because of that war,  and even trying to draw
parallels makes no sense.
Are you suggesting that NZ could drop into 
the situation that was the Balkans in the 
nineties?
If so it will not happen,   there would be a lot
of politicians locked up from all sides before
we got to that stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rouppe<br />
          You are trying to draw parallels between<br />
a scrap between two political partys and<br />
supporters on both sides and genocide in<br />
Europe.<br />
Now I may have been harsh, but, I have three<br />
members of my family buried overseas because of that war,  and even trying to draw<br />
parallels makes no sense.<br />
Are you suggesting that NZ could drop into<br />
the situation that was the Balkans in the<br />
nineties?<br />
If so it will not happen,   there would be a lot<br />
of politicians locked up from all sides before<br />
we got to that stage.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found something very useful on the standard!  Zen Tiger has an excellent post here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://nzconservative.blogspot.com/2007/12/mangled-carta.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mangled Carta&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found something very useful on the standard!  Zen Tiger has an excellent post here: <a href="http://nzconservative.blogspot.com/2007/12/mangled-carta.html" rel="nofollow">Mangled Carta</a></p>
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		<title>By: rouppe</title>
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		<dc:creator>rouppe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hori,

You also fail to mention those Dutch that got out before the Occupation and joined Allied battalions. You also fail to mention the Underground that ferried escaped Allied prisoners out of Holland - including Kiwis. You also fail to mention that The Netherlands declared themselves neutral - wanting no part of Hitler - but were invaded anyway and over-run. As were many other much larger countries in that region at that stage of the war. 

I know its what you want because it then diverts attention but I&#039;m not going to rise enter into a insult competition with you by mentioning what Hori did do. You are one of those types that like to put words in others mouths. I never said that Maori sent people to death camps, I said most races - including Maori - committed atrocities at some stage in their history. 

If you want to refute the parallels that I originally drew, fine go for it. But if all you&#039;re going to do is some mud-slinging hoping some sticks, forget about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hori,</p>
<p>You also fail to mention those Dutch that got out before the Occupation and joined Allied battalions. You also fail to mention the Underground that ferried escaped Allied prisoners out of Holland &#8211; including Kiwis. You also fail to mention that The Netherlands declared themselves neutral &#8211; wanting no part of Hitler &#8211; but were invaded anyway and over-run. As were many other much larger countries in that region at that stage of the war. </p>
<p>I know its what you want because it then diverts attention but I&#8217;m not going to rise enter into a insult competition with you by mentioning what Hori did do. You are one of those types that like to put words in others mouths. I never said that Maori sent people to death camps, I said most races &#8211; including Maori &#8211; committed atrocities at some stage in their history. </p>
<p>If you want to refute the parallels that I originally drew, fine go for it. But if all you&#8217;re going to do is some mud-slinging hoping some sticks, forget about it.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;First they came...&lt;/a&gt;

First they came for the EB, the Catholics were given an exemption to campaign for child poverty, what about the Scientologists there must be some of them fuckers in NZ, haul em out and restrict their ability to publish their views, it&#039;s in our best interest. While we are at it lets have a crack at the Islamics as well...  OH, problem... can&#039;t do that so lets just stop all third parties spending more than the same amount of money that qualifies for WFF...  If your poor, you can&#039;t afford to campaign against a party spending millions, if your rich you&#039;re not allowed to spend it campaigning.... perfect - level playing field as described by Labour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came..." rel="nofollow">First they came&#8230;</a></p>
<p>First they came for the EB, the Catholics were given an exemption to campaign for child poverty, what about the Scientologists there must be some of them fuckers in NZ, haul em out and restrict their ability to publish their views, it&#8217;s in our best interest. While we are at it lets have a crack at the Islamics as well&#8230;  OH, problem&#8230; can&#8217;t do that so lets just stop all third parties spending more than the same amount of money that qualifies for WFF&#8230;  If your poor, you can&#8217;t afford to campaign against a party spending millions, if your rich you&#8217;re not allowed to spend it campaigning&#8230;. perfect &#8211; level playing field as described by Labour.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grumpyoldhori

I think you are missing a valuable point here. rouppe is comparing the treatment of a &#039;group&#039; of people by a ruling govt with a &#039;group&#039; of people by a ruling govt. If rouppe (and his family of survivors) see a similarity then &lt;b&gt;we&lt;/b&gt; as readers need to STFU with our preconceptions and sensitivities and listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grumpyoldhori</p>
<p>I think you are missing a valuable point here. rouppe is comparing the treatment of a &#8216;group&#8217; of people by a ruling govt with a &#8216;group&#8217; of people by a ruling govt. If rouppe (and his family of survivors) see a similarity then <b>we</b> as readers need to STFU with our preconceptions and sensitivities and listen.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpyoldhori</title>
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		<dc:creator>grumpyoldhori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rouppe 
          Trying to compare Labour with the Nazis is rather poor form.
And is an insult to all kiwis who fought in a 
European war.
The Dutch,  easy to take part in celebrations
when you had been liberated by others,
including kiwis.
Doing a comparison between the Dutch and the Danes and Finns, the Dutch came up 
well short in helping the Jewish people.
I do not remember Horis sending people to
death camps.
Accounting of your own,  good luck dear boy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rouppe<br />
          Trying to compare Labour with the Nazis is rather poor form.<br />
And is an insult to all kiwis who fought in a<br />
European war.<br />
The Dutch,  easy to take part in celebrations<br />
when you had been liberated by others,<br />
including kiwis.<br />
Doing a comparison between the Dutch and the Danes and Finns, the Dutch came up<br />
well short in helping the Jewish people.<br />
I do not remember Horis sending people to<br />
death camps.<br />
Accounting of your own,  good luck dear boy.</p>
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		<title>By: rouppe</title>
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		<dc:creator>rouppe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hori

I am relating the experiene of my family at the hands of the Nazi&#039;s. The Nazi party was a socialist party (National Socialist German Workers Party). I think I&#039;m pretty up to speed with that aspect of history that relates to my family&#039;s experiences.

The NZ Labour party has placed restrictions on free speech, have instituted a government section to engage in covert surveillance of the political views of the population, and required the population to register with the state if they want to publicly express a political view in any significant way. By significant I mean more than waving a few placards. It is my opinion that there are some strong parallels that can be drawn.

There is nothing that I have said that is inaccurate. Your comments are not relevant to the statements I have made. You would have to look far to find any race that had not engaged in some sort of atrocities at some point in their history - yours included Hori.

You seem to have forgotten that bit of history where upon liberation of The Netherlands those Dutch that did collaborate were swiftly held to account by the anti-Nazi Dutch majority. 

There is a groundswell of people in this country that are also preparing to do some accounting of their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hori</p>
<p>I am relating the experiene of my family at the hands of the Nazi&#8217;s. The Nazi party was a socialist party (National Socialist German Workers Party). I think I&#8217;m pretty up to speed with that aspect of history that relates to my family&#8217;s experiences.</p>
<p>The NZ Labour party has placed restrictions on free speech, have instituted a government section to engage in covert surveillance of the political views of the population, and required the population to register with the state if they want to publicly express a political view in any significant way. By significant I mean more than waving a few placards. It is my opinion that there are some strong parallels that can be drawn.</p>
<p>There is nothing that I have said that is inaccurate. Your comments are not relevant to the statements I have made. You would have to look far to find any race that had not engaged in some sort of atrocities at some point in their history &#8211; yours included Hori.</p>
<p>You seem to have forgotten that bit of history where upon liberation of The Netherlands those Dutch that did collaborate were swiftly held to account by the anti-Nazi Dutch majority. </p>
<p>There is a groundswell of people in this country that are also preparing to do some accounting of their own.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpyoldhori</title>
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		<dc:creator>grumpyoldhori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rouppe
         Before you open your yap about any kiwis sunshine ,  a few bloody facts about Holland  and Labour.
A lot of jews were dragged out of their houses
by the Dutch to be sent to the death camps.
There was proud Dutch battalions of SS 
bastards serving with their hun brothers.
 
 There was no Kiwi Labour types who dragged Jews out of their houses to send
them to death camps when they served
with the 2NZEF.
Nor did we have battalions of Labour types
joining the SS bastards.
 
 So read some bloody history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rouppe<br />
         Before you open your yap about any kiwis sunshine ,  a few bloody facts about Holland  and Labour.<br />
A lot of jews were dragged out of their houses<br />
by the Dutch to be sent to the death camps.<br />
There was proud Dutch battalions of SS<br />
bastards serving with their hun brothers.</p>
<p> There was no Kiwi Labour types who dragged Jews out of their houses to send<br />
them to death camps when they served<br />
with the 2NZEF.<br />
Nor did we have battalions of Labour types<br />
joining the SS bastards.</p>
<p> So read some bloody history.</p>
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		<title>By: radical</title>
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		<dc:creator>radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Standing back from the EF Bill debacle we need to see this as a tipping point for the effect of public opinion on the passage of law. I don&#039;t think UF&#039;s change at the last minute is a flipflop, this party lobbied hard at the Select Committee stage for major changes to the Bill, entered into a very open debate on its views about the Bill and for the last 2 weeks its caucus have been actively considering what really the state of public opinion was about democratic freedom. UF takes a very strong stance on democracy in line with its principles, and as on many other occasions has exercised its vote aginst the Government when, despite all its efforts, both publicly and behind the scenes, the proposed Bill does not accord with what it stands for. This to me is what democracy is really all about and those detractors of Peter Dunne in your column need to look behind the public actions and understand not only the man but the core principles of this party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Standing back from the EF Bill debacle we need to see this as a tipping point for the effect of public opinion on the passage of law. I don&#8217;t think UF&#8217;s change at the last minute is a flipflop, this party lobbied hard at the Select Committee stage for major changes to the Bill, entered into a very open debate on its views about the Bill and for the last 2 weeks its caucus have been actively considering what really the state of public opinion was about democratic freedom. UF takes a very strong stance on democracy in line with its principles, and as on many other occasions has exercised its vote aginst the Government when, despite all its efforts, both publicly and behind the scenes, the proposed Bill does not accord with what it stands for. This to me is what democracy is really all about and those detractors of Peter Dunne in your column need to look behind the public actions and understand not only the man but the core principles of this party.</p>
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		<title>By: slightlyrighty</title>
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		<dc:creator>slightlyrighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10483289

This law is so great that it needs this to sort it out in the new year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=280&#038;objectid=10483289" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=280&#038;objectid=10483289</a></p>
<p>This law is so great that it needs this to sort it out in the new year!</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
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		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wtf happened to my comment on this thread..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wtf happened to my comment on this thread..?</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
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		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>test</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>test</p>
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		<title>By: catwoman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/free_speech_coalition_saddened_by_passage_of_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-384932</link>
		<dc:creator>catwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is the beginning of the end.  How can this corrupt government endorse the fact that the Electoral Commission will be hiring an organisation to conduct surveillance.  Yes, surveillance on you and me and the general population of New Zealand.

This is the politics of a third world country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the beginning of the end.  How can this corrupt government endorse the fact that the Electoral Commission will be hiring an organisation to conduct surveillance.  Yes, surveillance on you and me and the general population of New Zealand.</p>
<p>This is the politics of a third world country.</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/free_speech_coalition_saddened_by_passage_of_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-384917</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GWW, of course commercial speech is free speech. You see, that&#039;s the thing - you morons seem to think that if you have to pay to speak then it is outside the realm of &#039;free speech&#039; but that is total and utter bullshit. Free speech means the freedom to say whatever you want, when you want, as often as you want and as loud as you want. Sometimes that costs to do. Free speech is nought to do with whether one pays to speak. You leftists twist the truth of free speech to suit your own agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GWW, of course commercial speech is free speech. You see, that&#8217;s the thing &#8211; you morons seem to think that if you have to pay to speak then it is outside the realm of &#8216;free speech&#8217; but that is total and utter bullshit. Free speech means the freedom to say whatever you want, when you want, as often as you want and as loud as you want. Sometimes that costs to do. Free speech is nought to do with whether one pays to speak. You leftists twist the truth of free speech to suit your own agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Right of way is Way of Right</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/free_speech_coalition_saddened_by_passage_of_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-384870</link>
		<dc:creator>Right of way is Way of Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh absolutely GWW, no inaccuracies on billboards at all.   Helen has to lose the airbrush too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh absolutely GWW, no inaccuracies on billboards at all.   Helen has to lose the airbrush too!</p>
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		<title>By: kehua</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/free_speech_coalition_saddened_by_passage_of_electoral_finance_bill.html#comment-384845</link>
		<dc:creator>kehua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should be;

Every
F-ckers--------Yeah Right!!
Brainwashed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should be;</p>
<p>Every<br />
F-ckers&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;Yeah Right!!<br />
Brainwashed</p>
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