General Debate 14 December 2007

December 14th, 2007 at 4:05 pm by David Farrar

Deans is the Wallaby Coach ….

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68 Responses to “General Debate 14 December 2007”

  1. peanut (139 comments) says:

    I am now, officially, a Wallabies supporter.

    All Blacks and NZ public will be the losers as Henry continues his wierdo coaching stategy.

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  2. Pita (372 comments) says:

    The three R’s could haunt the rugby union for some time…reconditioning, rotation and Robbie

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  3. ManukauMum (134 comments) says:

    Some furry marsupials have named their bus “Deans”?

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  4. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Dean’s will get over not being able to coach Canterbury.
    The small minded Rugby Union wouldn’t let him do that.

    His Oz starting pay probaly almost equals what he gets full time over here.

    The Rugby Union will want to slap him on the face for his initiative.
    He should offer the other side cause he will not have felt the first slap
    Too busy laughing about his bloody good fortune.

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  5. big bruv (13,552 comments) says:

    Bloody good news, the further away Deans is from NZ rugby the better, you all seem to forget that he was responsible for the 03 RWC debacle.

    Ted Henry might not be the perfect choice but he is a lot better then Deans.

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  6. peanut (139 comments) says:

    Henry’s RWC result was the worst in All Black history, big bruv.

    Dean’s result was mild by comparison and he wasn’t the main coach.

    Can’t wait to see the Aussies thrash the All Blacks.

    Wonder if the ABs will need counselling afterwards.

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  7. thehawkreturns (162 comments) says:

    If the coaching appointments were reversed the country would be happier.

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  8. Chuck Bird (4,749 comments) says:

    Did anyone see Parliament when Cullen had his rave at Key? Did she force Cullen to withdraw and apologise as she does with National MPs? Does someone have to complain before she acts? Has she been bias in the incident as she was over Tau Henere and Mallard?

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  9. casual watcher (289 comments) says:

    I have a horrible feeling we will regret letting him go. Rugby is potentially rooted in NZ anyway – there was a big message in that turnout for the Beckham match at the cake tin. The person I would most like to go is Wayne Smith – I think he is a disaster and the Rugby union were crazy to buy the all or none of us blackmail from Graham Henry.

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  10. Buggerlugs (1,609 comments) says:

    Bit unsure of my infectious disease procedure, but with tinfoil hat firmly on and vaccinations up to date, does anything else think it is strange the media are running newsflashes about someone with measles being infectious on an Air NZ flight? Measles? WTF? Who cares?

    Made me stop and wonder…briefly.

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  11. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Ill bet the NZRFU will now throw a hissy fit and will stop him running the crusaders.

    My message to the NZRFU………………….

    Repeat after me:
    “We are dickheads, all of us”

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  12. Chuck Bird (4,749 comments) says:

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  13. ghostwhowalks (389 comments) says:

    I thought it was the players on the field who lost the game. Quite a few are from Canterbury.
    And the idea that he will coach the crusaders as well, is absurd. The Aussies want a full time coach period

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  14. pdm (842 comments) says:

    gww

    Stick to trolling – you obviously don’t know much about rugby.

    The problem was we went into a crunch match with players who were not `match hardened’ and lacking combinations. Plus having the best organisational mid-field back in world rugby (Aaron Mauger) in his civvies in the stand and an unfit lock – Keith Robinson.

    A further factor was in 4 years we did not develop a number 8 who could go forward off the back of the scrum. Rodney So’oialo is good round the paddock but, goes across field from the scrum. With the type of game they tried to play in the last 20/30 minutes a `Buck Shelford’ type no 8 was essential.

    There is more if you want it.

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  15. tom hunter (4,555 comments) says:

    What is more important here is the long-term impact that Deans will have on Australian rugby. You can bet that he will focus on solving their awful front-row problems – and solve in terms of long-term fixes.

    Back rugby in Australia has always been good. All Deans has to really do is set up a bottom-to-top development program for forwards and the Wallabies will be away – like they need any more advantages.

    Kinda has an America’s Cup feel to it.

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  16. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    GWW – listen up …………..

    The ausies are very happy for him to continue with the crusaders.

    You must think the aussies are stupid. What better tool for them to have their national coach also coaching the bulk of the opposition team.

    This will send the NZRFU crazy. Theyve really made a dumb play here. Ill bet there is nothing in his Crusaders contract that stops him having coaching jobs outside NZ.

    So, NZRFU – say after me:
    “We are a bunch of dickheads”

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  17. dog_eat_dog (761 comments) says:

    Australia needs as much administrative help as it can. Any organisation that lets go of John O’Neil but then rehires him because they can’t do without him has serious problems.

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  18. Graeme Edgeler (3,274 comments) says:

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  19. tom hunter (4,555 comments) says:

    the BuyUSA advertising link is an awesome idea…

    Indeed. Does this mean I can buy TV programs through the US iTunes site?

    I ask because I let all my US credit cards lapse when I returned and since I have the house networked via Airport I see few other reasons to continue with SKY!

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  20. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Read this utter crap on a global carbon tax, and then you’ll understand the real objective behind the propaganda of climate change and the religionist evangelistic selling of the environmental agenda to the young and the vulnerable via groups like the Green party.

    Global Wealth Redistribution

    Now you know why communists like Sue Bradford, Russell Norman and Keith Locke are ascendant in the Green party. Now you know the real objective of the Green Party.

    Global Wealth Redistribution

    Now you know why the people who say that environmentalism is just a big leftist con think that way. They understand the real agenda.

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    The environmental group Friends of the Earth, in attendance in Bali, also advocated the transfer of money from rich to poor nations on Wednesday.

    “A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources,” said Emma Brindal, a climate justice campaigner coordinator for Friends of the Earth.

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    Note how they’ve converted the leftist propaganda term “social justice” into “climate justice”.

    “MIT climate scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen warned about these types of carbon regulations earlier this year. “Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat’s dream. If you control carbon, you control life,” Lindzen said in March 2007″

    Meanwhile, outside the realms of socialist delusion-

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    Environmentalism and Climate Change- a socialist scam. Keep your head in the sand at your own peril. You’ll pay dearly for your apathy.

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  21. john (478 comments) says:

    go robbie and ban your players from golf courses, in world cup years

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  22. KevOB (265 comments) says:

    I see global war over this. Who is to control this new tax base? How is collection to be enforced? Who has the authority or means to enforce it?

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  23. JC (932 comments) says:

    Best deal the NZRFU have done. Robbie gets to harden up the Oz forward pack and cream us in the next few years unless *we* harden up and learn to deal with pressure in the close ones.

    JC

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  24. Tina (687 comments) says:

    NZRU problems revolve around management at Board and CEO level.
    Henry retention is but a symptom of that.

    Weak strategic thinkers rarely see further than the next year and inevitably make “new” vibrant plans to justify their selection…..see Henry….the loss of face for the Board was huge so they did what any good Kiwi does….pretend the ABs lost through bad luck…that’s why Henry gets a second go.

    To prove the Board wasn’t wrong in the first place.

    A mega smart NZRU would have had plans to recruit O’Neil before he left Soccer Aust. Of course, the very competent are not much interested in being wagged by the provincial hicks that neuter excellence in the NZRU.

    Looking on the bright side, the continuously rated “best team in the world” cannot go 30 or 40 years without winning a WC…regardless of who gets the job.

    Robbie’s bete noir will be Aussie props.

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  25. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    http://www.reodorant.com/images/cartoons/Universal%20Ballot.jpg

    A universal election ballot paper.

    Who fits which spot in NZ?

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  26. bwakile (757 comments) says:

    ” climate justice campaigner coordinator for Friends of the Earth.”

    Good post RB
    but how do they fit all that on a business card

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  27. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Who cares, we’ll still wup dem aussie’s asses good even if golden boy is getting a mil to coach them.

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  28. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t worry to much RB once the rich and powerful in the wealthy countries realise they are getting done like a dogs dinner then this bullshit will go belly up. There are just to many agendas from to many people to see this up and running. Unless there are large kickbacks to the ruling elite, in each country that signs up then human greed will kill off AGW and Carbon taxes. KevOB is right I would predict a huge fight in just deciding who controls this.

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  29. Adam Smith (890 comments) says:

    Climate Justice – an interesting term and no doubt as capable of as many angels as can dance on the head of a pin, as garins of sand in the ever increasing Sahel.

    One persons climate justice is anothers injustice.

    One thing for sure all the Bali posturing and hot air would have enabled a number of delegates to travel by balloon, including Al Bore. Incidentally, a major UK paper reported he had earned some UK Pds 50 mil since leaving office, no doubt he can afford his beliefs, unlike those who have to grub for a living and who he would leave in the waste bin and that includes many of us in NZ.

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  30. Adam Smith (890 comments) says:

    Sorry grains of sand

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  31. 103PapPap (129 comments) says:

    Great. The NZRFU are going to be embarrassed by sticking with the failed headmaster, just because Steve Tew doesn’t like Robbie.
    There’s more politics in the NZRFU than there is on the 9th floor of the beehive.
    What we need now is to persuade the Aussie cricket board to snatch John Bracewell as their coach so they have a matching pair of kiwis, and we might get some revenge (sorry … utu).

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  32. Adam Smith (890 comments) says:

    Interesting item on Close Up this evening about Toa Fraser, film director, he made Number 2, now in UK directing film with Peter O’Toole and Sam Neill.

    Hope it goes well, the guy has talent and deserves every success.

    For once Close Up actually had an item of relevance

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  33. vto (1,128 comments) says:

    the climate has changed at the nzru. Tax them!!! That’ll sort it out, ay green party

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  34. Nick C (340 comments) says:

    On another topic I see you finally got some advertising David! But doesnt that mean that this blog will be caught by the EFB? I think it said that only non-commercial blogs were exempt.

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  35. Paul M. (26 comments) says:

    Starship rejects Winston First Donation

    True story!!

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/4324280a10.html

    Bloody good on them.

    Why don’t we all come together and donate to the hospital. If enough people do it, they won’t be out of pocket for being ethical.

    http://www.starship.org.nz/donation

    I’ve just donated $100, but even $20 will make a difference.

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  36. francis (712 comments) says:

    lofingl: Starship hands back NZ First money http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1320238/1505013

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  37. Adam Smith (890 comments) says:

    Given that the Herald said Starship should hand money back will WTP now claim:

    ‘Shock Horror, evil foreign capitalists, led by NZ Herald, deprive sick children of benefits, and mean I, sorry NZF, get to keep proceeds of our dispute with Auditor General, who is in pockets of non belivers.’

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  38. Paul W (266 comments) says:

    But back to Deans. Deans cannot be expected to turn Australian rugby around and make each and every team commit to the kind of national development that is instinctive in NZ. He’s undoubtedly a brilliant coach but; they domestic competition is pretty ordinary, the Super 14 teams are too variable, the competition from League is intense and they’ve not got enough props to be competitive… He’ll improve things but he’ll not perform miracles.

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  39. reid (16,092 comments) says:

    Yes good post RB, as usual. But I wonder how come many conservatives see right through the climate change debate and see it for the utter fackery that it really is, but at the same time they fail to see the war on terror is exactly the same thing just tailored to appeal to the other side of the political spectrum?

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  40. grumpyoldhori (2,416 comments) says:

    Deans can fix their front row problems, I
    doubt if Deans has the knowledge of front row
    play to do that.
    Henry and co will lend him Mike Cron? it will
    be a cold day in hell before that happens.
    He has to find the propping talent first, and a
    little bird I played rugby with in Sydney says
    it is bloody thin.
    Remember, the convicts do not have the NPC to find and blood props.

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  41. Nick C (340 comments) says:

    “But I wonder how come many conservatives see right through the climate change debate and see it for the utter fackery that it really is, but at the same time they fail to see the war on terror is exactly the same thing just tailored to appeal to the other side of the political spectrum?”

    Given what happened on 9/11 I think the threat of terrorism is much more solid and established.

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  42. dog_eat_dog (761 comments) says:

    Are you sure that the Henry retention shows a lack of strategic thinking? The man won on a regular basis for the four years when there isn’t a World Cup, and as long as we keep winning, people will keep watching. To be honest, I’m over the idea of the World Cup, and given the choice, I’d rather see our team win constantly and falter occasionally. Getting rid of All Black coaches after RWC failures hasn’t worked, so maybe it’s time to true something new – even if it means someone who has failed.

    Henry did a lot for the image of the team. Remember Mitchell? Remember trying to find out the state of the All Blacks, and his constant ducking, diving and metaphorical references? Henry was a blessing. I’m convinced he still has more to offer as a coach, and it seems that if the players do too, then maybe they were putting their hand up for a share of the blame in the post-RWC autopsy. You can only coach a team so far until they walk out on the field, and then they have to do it themselves. We’re quick to blame coaches in NZ, so ask yourself – could it be the fault of the players? The NZRFU seems to think that Henry has something up his sleeves, and I’m willing to bet it’s more than just his arms.

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  43. reid (16,092 comments) says:

    Like many Nick you miss the point, which is not whether terrorism exists, it’s whether it’s a threat to the state, which is how it’s portrayed, which gives the excuse to enact the overdone security measures that we see happening around us now.

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  44. kehua (225 comments) says:

    Redbaiter thanks for the info, who better to head this deal than the former leader of a puha republic in the south seas.

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  45. kehua (225 comments) says:

    Am I the only person to pick up on the $511,000 Lawyers Bill demanded by Peter Hausman, to be paid by next Friday. This relates back to Hausman asking for an inquiry into his possible “conflict of intrest“ over his position on the Hawkes Bay Health Board. Wife/Partner? Annette King got a grilling over this in the house sometime ago when she was still Minister of Health.

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  46. reid (16,092 comments) says:

    Maybe that’s why Health doesn’t produce results, when they’ve got idiots like Hausman who not only let’s his lawyers rack up $0.5m but expects the Board to pay for it.

    Will the Board have to pay to defend themselves if they refuse?

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  47. Frank. (607 comments) says:

    Has Winston Peters been caught in the web of his own cleverness, with his charitable gesture of donating taxpayers funds to a charitable cause turning round and biting him in the bum?

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  48. reid (16,092 comments) says:

    Winston on Stuff:

    “I just feel sorry for those kids who are going to miss out because of a few petty small-minded jealous people in the media and other political parties who decided to make something of this for their own ends.”

    Pot. Kettle.

    Muldoon must be disappointed he ever backed him.

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  49. Fletch (6,135 comments) says:

    buyUSA?

    I think shipbuktu did it first….

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  50. Adam Smith (890 comments) says:

    Kehua

    Hausmann is not AK husband. AK husband was employed at HB DHb, then went to work for Haussman.

    Haussman asked for enquiry to exonerate him. HB DHB should not pay his legal fees, he brought them on himself. Incidentally, has anyone ever seen the results of the enquiry? Methinks his lwayers must have done a lot of work for bill to be $511,000.

    he has now drawn attention to himself yet again. Displays no tact or sensitivity.

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  51. Adam Smith (890 comments) says:

    WINSTON

    He still tries to milk everything for himself and MS in the main let him do so.

    Where are the critical articles?

    When will the TV and newspapers find the intestinal fortitude to take the blowhard on.

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  52. Adam Smith (890 comments) says:

    Sorry not MS but MSM

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    Why would I use these people.

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  54. Buggerlugs (1,609 comments) says:

    The only time I agree with GWW (5.10pm post and only the first sentence)

    But GWW, you running dingo of socialism, still go and lick your bollocks, you pinko.

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  55. Buggerlugs (1,609 comments) says:

    Sorry staff stitched Dad at at Xmas do – meant to add fuck off Robbie deans, disappointment is one thing, coaching a pack of convict c**Ts is something else…stay in Australia, you inbred North Canterbury fuck.

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  56. grumpyoldhori (2,416 comments) says:

    Buggerlugs
    Tsk,tsk, you are not suggesting
    that North Canterbury types are deliverence
    watching, banjo plucking, sister chasing,
    hillbillies are you , you are
    I agree dear boy..

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  57. Tauhei Notts (1,642 comments) says:

    Okay, Mum and Dad came from Cust, as did Rodney Hide.
    But aside from that irrelevencie, the choice of Henry over Deans has done immense harm to rugby union.

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  58. Tina (687 comments) says:

    Of course Robbie may have seen the parallels…NZRU and Labour.

    You remember when NZ lost the co host WC rights with Aust.?
    Just bad luck and a cunning Aussie conspiracy….the NZRU apparatchiks expected to be accommodated.

    The gene pool at the top of any NZ administration is small so no matter now much things change, they stay the same.

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  59. kehua (225 comments) says:

    Adam.

    Thanks for that my my misunderstanding. I should maybe apolise to Hausman for such a insensitive suggestion.

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  60. big bruv (13,552 comments) says:

    Louise Nicholas, New Zealander of the year (according to the Herald)……..what a bloody joke.

    I could have agreed with an award for best supporting actress or perhaps one for “best attempt to re write history” but to say she is the Kiwi of he year is frankly an insult to the real heroes in our community.

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  61. john (478 comments) says:

    If the arsehole packrapist was just your average arshole single rapist would he have got out earlier, could some off the sisterhood who post give us theirveiwpoints on the sexually lacking whimpy arseholes who can only do it in early ex police groups
    Louise Nicholas, Great for being NZ of the year, she bet the rapist lovers,(SOME POSTERS HERE) and stood up to the arseholes who thinks a group of men with little dicks can do anything, more power to LOUISE N.

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  62. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    john, you’re drawing a rather long bow in suggesting that those who feel LN doesn’t deserve ‘NZ of the Year’ are ‘rapist lovers’. did you mean that? it read that way.

    i’m with big bruv – there are 100′s (probably 1000′s) of more deserving NZers for this award. perhaps the Herald is awarding her for selling the most advertising on their behalf?

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  63. Andrew W (1,629 comments) says:

    big bruv’s comment is just another shallow rant.

    The evidence that has come out since the Louise Nicholas trial has all strongly supported her case, only a few fanatics like big bruv continue to believe Rickards version.
    Baxter sums it up brilliantly here:

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/03/rickards_not_guilty.html#comment-167934

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  64. john (478 comments) says:

    As i said , there are MANY great NZs but rubbishing LN (do you support RICH little dick PACK RAPISTS, his women????? supports him UM MONEY) the mount ( little dick ,packrapist ,nice house MONEY)shallow wife, curse LN as i said Louise Nicholas is a REAL women not like the money lover married to the rapist

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  65. Andrew W (1,629 comments) says:

    “perhaps the Herald is awarding her for selling the most advertising on their behalf?”

    Perhaps the Herald opposes the EFB for the same reason (advertising)

    KK you’re better than that.

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  66. Tina (687 comments) says:

    In the land of the victim, who’s surprised that one gets Victim of the Year?

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  67. john (478 comments) says:

    Will ricards be around for drinkies and talk about the girls they have raped(opps known) thats mean,opps it slipped out, , rapists run together, a xmas is a good time for little dicks to get together ,but the rapist dosnt get out towards the end of January, police reunion time, when do the other cops get out ???

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  68. john (478 comments) says:

    yes i know he raped with the rotorua cops,, how did he make his millions??????

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