General Debate 29 December 2007

December 29th, 2007 at 2:02 pm by David Farrar

For James S and D4J to carry on their private flame-war, plus anything else.

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135 Responses to “General Debate 29 December 2007”

  1. metcalph (1,051) Says:

    The flamewar’s not private if it’s done in public.

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  2. Michaels (1,305) Says:

    It’s taken a while of wandering around the corridors of kiwiblogsphere to understand what the General Debate is really all about. However, finally I got it.
    It is when DPF is heading off on the plonk and probably won’t be capable of typing for some time to come.

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  3. neontiger (99) Says:

    And said Dad does more to damage his own political aspirations?

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  4. neontiger (99) Says:

    Can’t wait :-)

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  5. David Farrar (1,754) Says:

    Heh no wonder it happens most days then :-)

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  6. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Thanks David

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  7. James Sleep (477) Says:

    D4J is not commenting as he is contacting his lawyer.

    What a pity his hand *cough* I mean his lawyer is not responding.

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  8. neontiger (99) Says:

    Does he know how much it costs to successfully do someone in what would be a civil case? ;-)

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  9. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Yes – Wonder how many millions he makes from the Republican party

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  10. neontiger (99) Says:

    Well if you’re gonna be a Republican you’re in the wrong country!

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  11. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Maybe he should move to America – They are more mental institutions over there. He will have a choice

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  12. neontiger (99) Says:

    US Republican party = the most corrupt political movement in American history.

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  13. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Just read Michael Moore’s books.

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  14. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (838) Says:

    except for the democratic party of course, and little jamie, are you serious???? michael moore is a very rich capitalist from manhattan who made his millions by pretending to be “for the little guy” you should do some research, particularly about how he treats his own workers.

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  15. budgieboy (94) Says:

    Yeah James, gotta agree with nigel, Michael Moore is a very very bad source to quote (on anything) http://www.moorewatch.com is just one place to start if you really want a heads up. Somewhere out there on the net are a couple (who used to ‘adore’ him who made a doco on HIM and found all was not as Mr Moore would have his plebs, opps I mean fans believe.

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  16. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    “Just read Michael Moore’s books.”

    Funny you say that James Creep as Mike Moore is an old friend whom I know from previous dealings .

    Have you ever watched the TV programme for pre school kids called romper room ? The host is really pretty . Seen it spittle juice , have ?

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  17. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Fire the scuds into the creep sleep !!!

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  18. neontiger (99) Says:

    Nobody would let you NEAR a scud missile FD!

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  19. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Talking about lawyers Jumba Creep, you should ask the MP Lieanne Dalzeel’s spunky sister, who is a crown lawyer, as to how I preform in the High Court . Haha . Good story that one boyo . Hows Georgina today ?

    Nice one Justice John H . Like that SIR ?

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  20. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Thanks for the affirmative on the cellphone Sir . This has been a long time coming . Tiger go maul a turtle you buzzard !!

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  21. neontiger (99) Says:

    So I hear you’re moving into politics now D4J ;-) .

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  22. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Sorry James Creep and tuger Tiger .
    I will keep the High Court story to electioneering time, as I think it would be good when I start actively campaigning for Christchurch East . I will hand the electorate to Aaron on a platter . Job done . I am patient boyo .

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  23. James Sleep (477) Says:

    So when am I going to recieve the call from your hand – I mean your lawyer?

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  24. James Sleep (477) Says:

    FailedDad – Hows ya kiddies today?

    Did you take them to the park like most good parents do?

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  25. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    “So I hear you’re moving into politics now D4J”

    Yes neontiger ; Labour will lose Christchurch East, that I can guarantee. Is it true that Tim Barnett is leaving the political arena ? Surely not, as we have unresolved business to attend ?

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  26. neontiger (99) Says:

    Ah yes? And that evidence you said you had? Was that you?

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  27. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Talking about evidence, can the duty Minister explain why the answer to the UN directive regarding unlawful gender discrimination in the family court is three months over due ?

    I keep asking courts minister – Rick Barker whats going on? Sadly he refuses to answer any raised concerns about the UNITED NATIONS DIRECTIVE !!

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  28. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Checkmate girls .

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  29. James Sleep (477) Says:

    D4J – You will never be an MP. Ever ever ever ever ever ever.

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  30. neontiger (99) Says:

    Damn if he was the last politician on the planet I wouldn’t vote for him.

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  31. James Sleep (477) Says:

    D4J – I’m waiting for your lawyer.

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  32. neontiger (99) Says:

    I’ll get a really good journalist lined up for the case James :)

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  33. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Oh,yes the defendants in proceedings will include several Labour Ministers Oh, that felt so good . What a year 2008 is going to be . Remember Jimmy Weep that some have been working for years on a plan to make New Zealand a fairer place for Fathers and Mothers and CHILDREN .

    Haha, silly boy Pike . Thank you Captain Mannering . F##k up and Jonsey get up here and shove that bayonet up this fools arse .

    YES SIR ! :-) Some mothers do have em .

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  34. neontiger (99) Says:

    In your dreams FD!

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  35. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Sweet – That would be great as i understand the threats D4J made against my life will be brought public.

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  36. neontiger (99) Says:

    Absolutely :)

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  37. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Shall I name the Ministers James or will we wait ? Let me think…tick…tock..bingo . Thought goes wait. Played stud poker Mr Dreep ?

    Methinks it could be the election of all elections .

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  38. neontiger (99) Says:

    Come on FD! Name them!

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  39. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    “Sweet – That would be great as i understand the threats D4J made against my life will be brought public.”

    Great James when can I expect the summons ? Do hurry please . Please take me to Court . Pretty,pretty, please . Go on mate . I hope its Monday that I face judge dread . This is fun .

    Kiss,Kiss xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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  40. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Bring it on – Name them

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  41. neontiger (99) Says:

    So you weren’t gonna sue James after all FailedDad? That’s sad. I had a journalist ITCHING for the story!

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  42. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    James Creep, get your thumb out of your mouth silly boy .

    Can I expect to be charged under Crimes Act 1961,section 306 ? 7 years imprisonment ?

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  43. James Sleep (477) Says:

    D4J do you work as the Hagley park toilet cleaner – If you do that is great. Have you joined your union yet?

    Oh and you haven’t answered ym question – Hows the kiddies?

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  44. James Sleep (477) Says:

    306Threatening to kill or do grievous bodily harm

    (1)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who—

    (a)Threatens to kill or do grievous bodily harm to any person; or

    (b)Sends or causes to be received, knowing the contents thereof, any letter or writing containing any threat to kill or do grievous bodily harm to any person.

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  45. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    James Lost In Space ; when can I view the summary of facts ?

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  46. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Possibly.

    But isn’t it true you cannot be prosecuted twice for the same thing?

    So that wouldn’t work with you.

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  47. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Silly me , Georgina when can I view the summary of facts ?

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  48. neontiger (99) Says:

    Hey you’ll be back in your paper overalls D4J. How would that feel?

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  49. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    You sick twisted snakes !!

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  50. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    You cowards !!

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  51. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Calm down – We are discussing this.

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  52. James Sleep (477) Says:

    D4J – You need to go to an anger management course.

    I hope your children are out of the way when you get angry.

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  53. James Sleep (477) Says:

    And when are you going to name the Ministers who will be in the dock with me???

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  54. Ryan Sproull (5,664) Says:

    I’m revoking both of your voting privileges.

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  55. James Sleep (477) Says:

    ?

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  56. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Good one Ryan, that’s got the boy thinking ?

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  57. James Sleep (477) Says:

    D4J – If you really have guts then I would have received a call from your lawyer and you will be naming the cabinet ministers you say you will be hauling into the dock.

    HTFU and get answering.

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  58. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    No James, please you accused me of threatening you . I am the one who is accused of threatening behaviour . When can I expect the summary of facts as a defendant . Forget all that other stuff. NB =you accused me of violence .Prove it and take me to Court . Then the matter is finished .

    Is that not a responsible request ?

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  59. James Sleep (477) Says:

    So you threatened me with legal action early this afternoon, now your telling me I have to take you to court.

    I think they should order you back into a mental institution.

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  60. Lee C (4,499) Says:

    Why don’t you two just club together for a bottle of baby oil and a motel room and sort this out ‘mano e mano?’
    Whale oil can publish the vid, and we’ll all be once more, at rest.

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  61. James Sleep (477) Says:

    I wouldn’t want to be alone with that man.

    I don’t know where he has been. Legally and illegally.

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  62. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Look James, you have constantly gone on about me threatening you with violence . If I did, then prove it and take me too court . Simple . However you make constant reference to my children . I will say this, that a Father only has his integrity as a good dad to rely on . Nothing in this world, or the next, can take that right away from a good dad . If you had any knowledge whatsoever you would know this, or were you conceived from a test tube experiment ?

    Ask any dad on here if I am right . Ok .

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  63. James Sleep (477) Says:

    D4J – What would you do If you saw me in the street and I walked up and introduced myself.

    “Hello Peter, James Sleep”

    The floor is yours…..

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  64. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    I would shake your hand and say Hi I am Batman, lets have a beer m8. Ok.

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  65. James Sleep (477) Says:

    And I would say – In the view of the public sure.

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  66. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Cold speight’s thank you James .

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  67. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Why don’t you just act normal. Honestly – you set yourself up.

    The things you say. You come across as some mad man.

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  68. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    And a couple horny barmaids is always fun at the bar .

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  69. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Oh – heh – I actually don’t drink. I’ll stick to the orange juice thanks.

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  70. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Male and female – sure. Remember, we live in a colourful society ;)

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  71. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Are there many gay bars in chch? Maybe I could find some friends who are into that.

    Will the speights taste the same there?

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  72. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    “I wouldn’t want to be alone with that man.
    I don’t know where he has been. Legally and illegally.”

    Know a few sordid shoe tappers James ? I’ll stick to spunky ladies thanx .

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  73. neontiger (99) Says:

    LOL – Good one James!

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  74. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    “Are there many gay bars in chch? ‘

    Yes James the green room sauna. I’ll introduce you to * Peter and Tim * .

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  75. neontiger (99) Says:

    Are you a regular there Dad? ;-)

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  76. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Sorry your jibberish is to hard to translate and besides my D4J translater is on holiday. I’m assuming “sordid shoe tappers” = Gays…

    Yes I know tons, like I know tons of straight people ;)

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  77. James Sleep (477) Says:

    D4J – I thought I saw you there…

    That was you!

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  78. neontiger (99) Says:

    I’m sure the Batman costume would go down a treat!

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  79. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    No my lady friend has worked there for 7 years as a barmaid . Lots of good stories to be told . Never been into the green room sauna bar complex myself

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  80. neontiger (99) Says:

    Riiiiiiiiight

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  81. neontiger (99) Says:

    You never went there to pick her up?

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  82. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    I could have sworn I saw a for sale sign on a former regular at the green room today when I drove past ? Strange .

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  83. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Hmmm – Na it wouldn’t.

    Something pink would do.

    I’m sure you could find something pink in your house Peter boy.

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  84. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    He just lives down the road .

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  85. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Its Saturday meaning you could go and have a Saturday hook up. ;)

    Would that work Burnsy?

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  86. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    We were invited there by Tim at the suicide for men conference that I attended. I declined and my friend filled me in on the details later .

    By the sounds of things it was a good fun night .

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  87. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Is Tim going back to England James ?

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  88. Paul M. (26) Says:

    “FailedDad – Hows ya kiddies today?
    Did you take them to the park like most good parents do?”

    “Oh and you haven’t answered ym question – Hows the kiddies?”

    “D4J – You need to go to an anger management course.

    I hope your children are out of the way when you get angry.”

    James, I don’t know you but on the strength of those sorts of comments, you’re a total fucktard. What sort of wanker brings someone’s kids into it, especially knowing the other poster’s background?

    I hope you break a mirror some day soon.

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  89. neontiger (99) Says:

    Knowing the poster’s background? What are you implying? ;-)

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  90. Steve (3,691) Says:

    Dad, why do you wind them up? they are people with nothing better to do than insult.
    The sleepy boy must be getting tired, and tiger, well a sad person.
    I have nothing better to do …
    I yam wee tar did, I yam sofa king wee tar did

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  91. Steve (3,691) Says:

    Semms to be a paws here, puase pause, speeling ant gret

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  92. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Ok, lets change the subject.

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  93. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Beautiful weather here in the Wairarapa

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  94. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    I ask you once for a official apology James Sleep for undermining my children’s integrity . Do this for the sake of the kids please . If you have any substance you would say sorry to me, so we can finally bury the hatchet .

    Please do this for my sanity ?

    Your call…..

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  95. Steve (3,691) Says:

    James wants to change the subject, digress from D4J??

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  96. James Sleep (477) Says:

    D4J – What sanity?

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  97. Steve (3,691) Says:

    Um Dad, he won’t
    He is born of the selfish teen brigade.
    “Do I care” …..
    He don’t care, just self centered

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  98. Steve (3,691) Says:

    I yam wee tar did, I yam sofa king wee tar did

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  99. vto (1,098) Says:

    I get the feeling everyone else is too scared to say anything

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  100. Steve (3,691) Says:

    yeah vto
    wonder why?

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  101. Steve (3,691) Says:

    tigers comp has crashed, and mummy has put james to bed

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  102. neontiger (99) Says:

    Nope Sally is still alive and well :)

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  103. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Why am I sad.

    I am still waiting for Peter Burn’s lawyer to call me

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  104. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Why am I scared.

    I am still waiting for Peter Burn’s lawyer to call me

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  105. Steve (3,691) Says:

    The insults have stopped, the children have grown

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  106. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    The Prime Minister thanks James Sleep .

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  107. GPT1 (1,969) Says:

    James Sleep – as someone who was once young trust me when I tell you that you are embarrassing yourself. D4J may be a little strange and excitable but why that gives you the right to unleash torrid insults, particularly about his kids, is beyond me. Are you bullied at school or something? Is that why you feel the need to bait someone through the comparative anonymity of the internet?

    As you go on in life and develop a career, in politics or otherwise, ask yourself if you really want the crap you have spouted here read back to you?

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  108. James Sleep (477) Says:

    GPT1 – Calm down. Holiday fun. We are spitting it back at D4J.

    Don’t take people so seriously.

    It’s the silly season – Get use to it!

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  109. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Read this thread people and remember truth is the best defense . James Sleep has little decency, respect or dignity for a family and their feelings . I don’t care what people say about me, however LEAVE MY CHILDREN OUT OF THIS SHIT FIGHT .

    I will print this thread out and distribute it within my electorate . Thank you James.

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  110. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    I will also post a copy of this sad thread to every MP in New Zealand .

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  111. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Good
    you do that

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  112. Jeff (47) Says:

    Righto, i have held off for as long as possible.

    For the past few days you two have ramped up you dislike of each other to the point of no return.

    D4J may be a little passionate at times but im sure he means well, even if you have to read between the lines most of the time.

    James mate, you so need a kick up the arse and a new hobby! I don’t care what you think D4J said to you but talking about his kids is lower than your voice will be when your balls drop.

    Go out and go for a swim. Leave the god damn comp off for a day or two eh.

    Oh and tiger, his little partner in crime. We know your helping your mate but if your brain hurts so much when you think for yourself and you cant help but regurgitate JS’s bollix, then you have become more dependant on “sally” than is healthy and need help!!!

    The three of you need to grow up and get lives.

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  113. neontiger (99) Says:

    Partner in crime? No, this is what I really think of.

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  114. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Jeff, for your information I have a wonderful life.

    James Sleep I have tried to absorb your malicious attack on my children and I’ve felt numb, almost paralyzed. Your words were like carving knives which stuck deep into my gut and twisted slowly from side to side .Much like the movie I am watching called Blue Murder .The preposterous words you use to attack my credibility will only enhance the Fathers Coalition and cause you future embarrassment . You are a mindless renegade completely devoid of any moral fortitude .

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  115. Jeff (47) Says:

    I don’t doubt you do D4J, but getting rarked up by a kid tells another tale.

    fluro tiger – in the words of Mr. T, “i pity the fool”

    Enough said.

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  116. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    “I don’t doubt you do D4J, but getting rarked up by a kid tells another tale.”

    Jeff obviously you are not a parent, but that’s another tale .

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  117. Grant (344) Says:

    Truly pathetic. Is this place to be renamed “Kindyblog”?
    D4J, Sleep is a child, nothing more. Nothing he says carrys any crediblilty whatsoever, so ignore him like you would the rantings of anyone else too dumb to know when to shut up.
    Oh, and Happy New Year to all, Should be a good one.
    G

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  118. GPT1 (1,969) Says:

    JS – the silly season is not an excuse to act like prat. There is no “we” spitting it back at D4J – just one pathetic little kid trying to act it up.

    I do not take you seriously but you are offensive. That fact cannot be hidden by some belated claim that you should not be taken seriously. It’s your choice how you want to be viewed but if you are going to bring people’s kids in to an argument (I have yet to see any hint of debate) then people are going to form a less than positive opinion of you.

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  119. infused (558) Says:

    Ban the idiot (james). Fucken idiot.

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  120. sagenz (29) Says:

    sleep – you got called out a number of times for highly offensive language and instead of apologising you question d4j’s sanity. What kind of fucktard are you?

    Ban yourself if dpf does not do it for you.

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  121. clintheine (1,542) Says:

    I see Sleepy has once again crossed the line. For somebody so young he sure can be very stupid.

    Take the advice of everybody else James and get a life. At your age I was going out, making friends and meeting girls. I wasn’t some political suck up trying to touch as many Labour MPs as I could… that’s truely sad.

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  122. Lee C (4,499) Says:

    Well, DPF you have yourself to blame for encouraging this kind of nonsense.

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  123. Monty (871) Says:

    D4J – ignore little turds like James Sleep – I remember little punks like him when I was a school. He will never amount to anything (being a union rep is amounting to nothing) and as a consequence he will be a miserable little shit all his life. Do not feed the little cretin – he is like the dog turd you notice but avoid in the gutter.

    On another matter can someone throw some light on this comment by ralston in the paper this morning.

    “Chortling Labour MPs refer to it as their “neutron bomb”. It is a rather scandalous tale about a senior National MP timed to detonate when the election campaign begins.”

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  124. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Lee C who said it was nonsense? I think it proves a valid point. You know a prelude before I am labeled a vrag naroda.

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  125. krazykiwi (9,188) Says:

    Aye – what Jeff said at 10:06pm

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  126. JBA (23) Says:

    What a couple of cocks.

    D4J didnt even realise Sleep was insulting his kids till someone else pointed it out. Sleep is just a little kid, D4J. Let it be.

    And James…why bait him?

    Couldnt you guys do this on instant messenger or something?

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  127. Yvette (2,428) Says:

    Bill Ralston,’Herald on Sunday’, says while 2007 had a few hiccups, 2008 promises to be an even better year for National – except for one small thing . . .
    ” There is, apparently, one niggle for the party leader. Chortling Labour MPs refer to it as their “neutron bomb”. It is a rather scandalous tale about a senior National MP timed to detonate when the election campaign begins. ”

    I guess the answer to this is for National people to ask “Is this the ‘neutron bomb’?”, every time Labour holds announces press conference or a date for something ‘momentous’.
    The longer this goes on the less damaging what ever it is can be.
    The greater its importance, the greater then the deceit and lack of integrity Labour will display for hanging on to it for their own gain rather than any benefit to the public.
    Hopefully it will be a self-destructive ploy by the party Hone Harawira points out has ” the decadence of corruption, the stench of deceit, and the refusal to accept the reality of impending defeat.”

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  128. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Look I want out of this thread,however JBA said ;” D4J didnt even realise Sleep was insulting his kids till someone else pointed it out.”

    Please finish this, as the liarbore Sleeper cell wound me up with his 4.21 comment ; “FailedDad – Hows ya kiddies today?”

    How many dads and family men would take that comment if it was said too them face to face ? Be honest and answer that ?

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  129. JamesBLUNT (5) Says:

    For all you dad4justice apologists lecturing James Sleep, stop being so bloody PC.

    dad4justice is the one who uses his own kids as ammunition in his attacks against the government and everyone who shares a comments thread with him. To not hold him accountable and make him see that he has a lot to learn about being a responsible parent is similar to turning a blind eye to child abuse.

    Stop parading your constantly unreasonable and irrational anger towards others under the banner of justice Peter Burns, it’s fucking disgusting.

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  130. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    I mean to say what would someone like Labour MP Trevor Mallard say about that comment ? Or maybe Tana U ? How would they react ….think about it liarbore . Are you that low !!

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  131. James Sleep (477) Says:

    “FailedDad – Hows ya kiddies today?”

    If you were offended by that then I retract and apologise.

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  132. dad4justice (7,339) Says:

    Thank you James and lets try and get on in the future, as I respect a person that can say sorry . I wish you all the best with your career.
    Have a nice day mate
    Cheers
    d4j

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  133. Grant (344) Says:

    Just a quiet word in your ear James, which you might like to store away for future reference. Quite often the term “retract and apologise” doesn’t quite cut it. In fact the only place you’ll hear it used often is parliament which says something about that place. Elsewhere, following up a mouthfull of abuse with ” Oh I retact and apologise”, will not prevent you receiving a smack in the mouth.
    Words once thrown can never be retrieved.
    Perhaps you should get out more and leave politics to the grownups.
    G

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  134. budgieboy (94) Says:

    Monty Says: “On another matter can someone throw some light on this comment by Ralston in the paper this morning”

    “Chortling Labour MPs refer to it as their “neutron bomb”

    Now this might be a general thread worth discussing?!?

    To be forewarned is to be fore-armed, although I can’t imagine that it can be all that bad, I mean my god with the Panty-Slut Boy as a precedent (ignored by media) how bad would it need to be to be a ‘neutron bomb’?

    The above example only given if the ‘scandal’ relates to highly personal behaviour, as we have a plethora of scandals involving Liarbore to reflect on. Violence, drunken driving, forgery, cover ups … the list goes on but my point is how could this crowd POSSIBLY consider throwing mud???

    But then again, hypocrisy fits these mongrels like a well worn glove.

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  135. James Sleep (477) Says:

    Yes Grant – thanks for your advice. Also I get out and about alot actually, surprise, surprise.

    D4J – Yes lets.

    Check out my new blog http://www.newzblog.wordpress.com

    Politics, technology and travel

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