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		<title>By: Paul W</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/some_billboards_to_enjoy.html#comment-386176</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah ok, that&#039;s not one of the most erudite posts I&#039;ll concede but with the exception of the expletive, I pretty much agree with that statement. 

David&#039;s Coalition lacks a bit of judgment IMHO; too many student politics-type tactics have almost certainly burned off the more sensible potential support who&#039;ll not want to be associated with silly name calling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah ok, that&#8217;s not one of the most erudite posts I&#8217;ll concede but with the exception of the expletive, I pretty much agree with that statement. </p>
<p>David&#8217;s Coalition lacks a bit of judgment IMHO; too many student politics-type tactics have almost certainly burned off the more sensible potential support who&#8217;ll not want to be associated with silly name calling.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/some_billboards_to_enjoy.html#comment-386162</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul W said &quot;I think Tane’s far more considered in his/her commentary than most here for instance.&quot;

Tane said &quot;Absolute fucking filth. You should be ashamed of yourself David.&quot;

you judge !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul W said &#8220;I think Tane’s far more considered in his/her commentary than most here for instance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tane said &#8220;Absolute fucking filth. You should be ashamed of yourself David.&#8221;</p>
<p>you judge !</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/some_billboards_to_enjoy.html#comment-386140</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, what&#039;s the threshold on disingenuous partisan hackery? How will you or I know when we&#039;ve breached it? I think Tane&#039;s far more considered in his/her commentary than most here for instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, what&#8217;s the threshold on disingenuous partisan hackery? How will you or I know when we&#8217;ve breached it? I think Tane&#8217;s far more considered in his/her commentary than most here for instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Ranapia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Ranapia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vto:

I think it say more that Tane is a rather disingenuous partisan hack, and perhaps its time we all stopped rewarding his trolling with attention.  (I know, should take my own advice more often.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vto:</p>
<p>I think it say more that Tane is a rather disingenuous partisan hack, and perhaps its time we all stopped rewarding his trolling with attention.  (I know, should take my own advice more often.)</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/some_billboards_to_enjoy.html#comment-386135</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this all illustrates one undeniable fact about the so-called &#039;left&#039;. They haven&#039;t a clue when it comes to money and how it works. And that stems from a complete lack of brains and understanding of people and how they function in the world.

the problems they &#039;try to resolve&#039; are always problems other people supposedly have. They never have these problems themselves.

They are truly a nosey, bossy, brainless bunch. 

Go away and leave everyone alone. Go boss yourselves around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this all illustrates one undeniable fact about the so-called &#8216;left&#8217;. They haven&#8217;t a clue when it comes to money and how it works. And that stems from a complete lack of brains and understanding of people and how they function in the world.</p>
<p>the problems they &#8216;try to resolve&#8217; are always problems other people supposedly have. They never have these problems themselves.</p>
<p>They are truly a nosey, bossy, brainless bunch. </p>
<p>Go away and leave everyone alone. Go boss yourselves around.</p>
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		<title>By: AGJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AGJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Face it Tane the business world just don&#039;t like your lot. You&#039;re nothing more than a pack of whiners. Whaaa David got a better deal than us. Grow the fuck up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Face it Tane the business world just don&#8217;t like your lot. You&#8217;re nothing more than a pack of whiners. Whaaa David got a better deal than us. Grow the fuck up.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/some_billboards_to_enjoy.html#comment-386111</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha I&#039;ve just made the connection:  Irishbill = William = Mike Williams.  Doesn&#039;t surprise me he can&#039;t negotiate a discount, he walks in the door and everyone sees big public money coming.  Why would you ever discount to that if you could avoid it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha I&#8217;ve just made the connection:  Irishbill = William = Mike Williams.  Doesn&#8217;t surprise me he can&#8217;t negotiate a discount, he walks in the door and everyone sees big public money coming.  Why would you ever discount to that if you could avoid it.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh Tane, that should alert you to William&#039;s ability (or lack of) rather than David&#039;s numbers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh Tane, that should alert you to William&#8217;s ability (or lack of) rather than David&#8217;s numbers!</p>
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		<title>By: Tane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, even if you paid $1600 per image per billboard (which is a ridiculous waste of money considering there are cheaper options) it still doesn&#039;t add up to $18,000.

$7000 for billboards space, plus
$3000 for production and installation, plus
$4800 of wasted money on Getty images copyright

...still only adds up to $15,000, if you&#039;re telling the truth about all your expenses.

I mean, I don&#039;t care how much of your front group&#039;s money you spend on billboards, I&#039;m just interested to see whether it adds up.

Pascal, it&#039;s not a &quot;thumbsuck number&quot;, it&#039;s all linked to the actual market rates of billboards. DPF&#039;s got himself a 40% discount. Irish Bill&#039;s never managed to get a 40% discount on a billboard campaign. It just doesn&#039;t add up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, even if you paid $1600 per image per billboard (which is a ridiculous waste of money considering there are cheaper options) it still doesn&#8217;t add up to $18,000.</p>
<p>$7000 for billboards space, plus<br />
$3000 for production and installation, plus<br />
$4800 of wasted money on Getty images copyright</p>
<p>&#8230;still only adds up to $15,000, if you&#8217;re telling the truth about all your expenses.</p>
<p>I mean, I don&#8217;t care how much of your front group&#8217;s money you spend on billboards, I&#8217;m just interested to see whether it adds up.</p>
<p>Pascal, it&#8217;s not a &#8220;thumbsuck number&#8221;, it&#8217;s all linked to the actual market rates of billboards. DPF&#8217;s got himself a 40% discount. Irish Bill&#8217;s never managed to get a 40% discount on a billboard campaign. It just doesn&#8217;t add up.</p>
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		<title>By: Simeon</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/some_billboards_to_enjoy.html#comment-386005</link>
		<dc:creator>Simeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow !! 545 comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow !! 545 comments</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/some_billboards_to_enjoy.html#comment-385949</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is beautiful. We have an organization that is fully transparent, publishes their donors and are upfront with their costs. They say it cost a certain sum of money.

On the other hand we have Tane, who takes a thumbsuck number that some joker called Irishbill thinks it should cost and he believes that is the correct sum.

Do these people actually ever engage their brains?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is beautiful. We have an organization that is fully transparent, publishes their donors and are upfront with their costs. They say it cost a certain sum of money.</p>
<p>On the other hand we have Tane, who takes a thumbsuck number that some joker called Irishbill thinks it should cost and he believes that is the correct sum.</p>
<p>Do these people actually ever engage their brains?</p>
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		<title>By: John Ansell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ansell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite agree Nick C.  

Now Mr Tane Wilton is trying to nail the &#039;BRT-backed&#039; Free Speech Coalition for the crime of spending too little.  

You just can&#039;t win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite agree Nick C.  </p>
<p>Now Mr Tane Wilton is trying to nail the &#8216;BRT-backed&#8217; Free Speech Coalition for the crime of spending too little.  </p>
<p>You just can&#8217;t win.</p>
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		<title>By: KevOB</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/some_billboards_to_enjoy.html#comment-385846</link>
		<dc:creator>KevOB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;casual watcher Its not just the PM that can be called There are also the advisers who under oath have to give evidence of what they advised....&quot;

Just had an idea, why don&#039;t we take this to the UN? There must be some committee on some rights  inquiry body  to appeal to. As they don&#039;t play fair why should we give them any quarter. Their stupidity speaks for their intelligence so outsmarting them should be a good sport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;casual watcher Its not just the PM that can be called There are also the advisers who under oath have to give evidence of what they advised&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just had an idea, why don&#8217;t we take this to the UN? There must be some committee on some rights  inquiry body  to appeal to. As they don&#8217;t play fair why should we give them any quarter. Their stupidity speaks for their intelligence so outsmarting them should be a good sport.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/some_billboards_to_enjoy.html#comment-385774</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DPF Tanes real issue with the FSC is (strangely) that you are using your own money. Tane will never get over that and just the though fills his head with all sorts of mad conspiricy theories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF Tanes real issue with the FSC is (strangely) that you are using your own money. Tane will never get over that and just the though fills his head with all sorts of mad conspiricy theories.</p>
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		<title>By: David Farrar</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tane: You really need to calm down.  The FSC is the most open lobby group in NZ.  Not only do the trustees, through our blogs, allow you to rant on here about what we do, not only do we list all our donors (name one other group that does this), we have also said we will list all our expenses.  Now we have no staff - we don&#039;t do this in real time - but we are still 10000% more transparent than everyone else.

You of all people should also know about copyright.  Getty Images charges $1,600 for using a photo for a month on a billboard for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tane: You really need to calm down.  The FSC is the most open lobby group in NZ.  Not only do the trustees, through our blogs, allow you to rant on here about what we do, not only do we list all our donors (name one other group that does this), we have also said we will list all our expenses.  Now we have no staff &#8211; we don&#8217;t do this in real time &#8211; but we are still 10000% more transparent than everyone else.</p>
<p>You of all people should also know about copyright.  Getty Images charges $1,600 for using a photo for a month on a billboard for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Tane</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/some_billboards_to_enjoy.html#comment-385746</link>
		<dc:creator>Tane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As for Tane - the costs are of course accurate. As I said on the PR the sites costs $7,000 a month. If the media booking agency we used managed to get us below rack rate then I am delighted.&lt;/i&gt;

So you&#039;re telling me it cost $11,000 to design, produce and install these billboards? That&#039;s simply not credible David.

It&#039;s pretty clear that Whale designed them for free, and market rates for the production and installation of three billboards would not be more than about $3,000-3,500.

Something doesn&#039;t add up Dave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As for Tane &#8211; the costs are of course accurate. As I said on the PR the sites costs $7,000 a month. If the media booking agency we used managed to get us below rack rate then I am delighted.</i></p>
<p>So you&#8217;re telling me it cost $11,000 to design, produce and install these billboards? That&#8217;s simply not credible David.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty clear that Whale designed them for free, and market rates for the production and installation of three billboards would not be more than about $3,000-3,500.</p>
<p>Something doesn&#8217;t add up Dave.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...baaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;baaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/some_billboards_to_enjoy.html#comment-385737</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bib-bib-bib-bib-bib-bib-bib-bib-bib-bib...............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bib-bib-bib-bib-bib-bib-bib-bib-bib-bib&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/some_billboards_to_enjoy.html#comment-385736</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FIVE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX COMMENTS! And still going.

This bill was the worst and most fatal mistake ever made by the Clarkists. Say &quot;uncle&quot;, Roger Nome, Tane, et al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FIVE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX COMMENTS! And still going.</p>
<p>This bill was the worst and most fatal mistake ever made by the Clarkists. Say &#8220;uncle&#8221;, Roger Nome, Tane, et al.</p>
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		<title>By: Peak Oil Conspiracy</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/some_billboards_to_enjoy.html#comment-385733</link>
		<dc:creator>Peak Oil Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helmet:

I&#039;m really hoping Phillip John has a restful festive season.

Things are looking up for him as Christmas Day doesn&#039;t fall on a Sunday this year.  Otherwise Phillip John might wake up &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;freaking out&lt;/b&gt; about the fact that we are on the cusp of global recession yet no one in New Zealand’s blogsphere seems to have a clue about it&lt;/i&gt;.

So the &lt;i&gt;most important and urgent economic issue that this country, and indeed the world, currently faces&lt;/i&gt; can wait until 2008 at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helmet:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really hoping Phillip John has a restful festive season.</p>
<p>Things are looking up for him as Christmas Day doesn&#8217;t fall on a Sunday this year.  Otherwise Phillip John might wake up <i><b>freaking out</b> about the fact that we are on the cusp of global recession yet no one in New Zealand’s blogsphere seems to have a clue about it</i>.</p>
<p>So the <i>most important and urgent economic issue that this country, and indeed the world, currently faces</i> can wait until 2008 at least.</p>
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