The Nats have run around for decades like headless chooks while the left have run the farm. We’ve decided its time for new ownership Craig. Either help us get tid of these vile power obsessed control freak totalitarians, or get out of the way. We’re going to say it as we see it, not the way the left approve of.

Perhaps he will eventually understand that we live in a democracy. People voted in 99 for the people they wanted to lead them. The fact that they were misguided is now history. In 2008 the cycle will go back to centre right. They are unlikely ever to vote for authoritarian abusive nutters and a good thing too.

I recommend you read Bernard Goldberg’s book “Crazies To The Left Of Me … Wimps To The Right”. It sums it up the current state of affairs all TOO well.

How could you let such a state of affairs come to be??

You were totally defeated by the leftist strategy of political correctness. You ought to be hanging your head in shame for your weak kneed capitulation, not abusing those who have decided to fight the battle you were too dull to even perceive as necessary.

For someone with a handle like yours, you do an eerie impersonation of a Maoist Red Guard still sniffing out and denouncing ideological deviation at the top of your lungs. I do actually care about you, because you’re just stupid enough to do some real damage to the reality-based center-right.

Well, let’s pitch it in language you’ll understand. What the fuck has a demented screech-monkey like you achieved besides puffing up your ego, paranoia and tendency towards hysterical pissy-fits whenever anyone doesn’t bend over and kiss your arse? Even your entertainment value is pretty limited, most of the time.

Whatever the hell you’re doing, please feel free to leave me out.

Reg:

Sorry for leaving the grown-up response to last. In the end, we’re just going to have to agree to disagree. I’m sure you sincerely think the Nazi analogies are quite valid, but they’re not to me – and I think I’m more than reasonably well-informed on what the real Nazis did. In the end, you can convince more people by lowering your voice and moderating the rhetoric. I know folks like Redbaiter are never, ever going to get it but I’m beyond caring. I’d just rather he doesn’t take what I love, and what I’ve worked hard to achieve, with him.

Some of us have to function as political activists in the real world where people find RB and his ilk fucking creepy loons. Sorry, RB, but there are people who don’t find your vitriol and cultic ravings inspiring, and instead dismiss everyone on the right as more of the same.

They have played this card successfully in a number of areas including:

1. Global Warming. To be a Climate Change denier is to be a intellectual outcast.

2. Any issue involving the practice of the Christian religion.

3. The role of the US in world affairs- To advocate for the US currently is heresy in almost every social circle in the country.

4. Any criticism of branches of the Islamic faith that have a doctrinal disposition to violence.

5. Any inclination to support the right of Israel to act in it’s own interest to protect its citizens.

And any number of other issues you could name.

What the left fear most is a frank and free debate. Can anyone remember the Labour party ever debating the contents of the EB pamphlets. They never did because the couldn’t argue with the bare facts so they shamelessly destroyed the reputations of the messengers.

Labour has been very adept at making the EFB look like a small technical tweaking of Electoral law to bring a greater sense of fairness to the system.
By ceding to intimidation to restrict our opposition to the EFB we are merely surrendering to “peer pressure” from the intellectually vanquished.

This evil EFB has stirred a lot more punters that most can imagine. As an observer and not much more for many years I am only one who is now determined to get active.

Daily media reports from what we all considered left wing , and bugger me even Kerre Woodham, is slowly be surely educating the public and I get comments daily from swinging voters about who they WILL NOT vote for come 2008.

All is required is that we continue to recruit more concerned punters to become active.

From where I sit this has already started and our challenge is to keep it building. It get the very strong feeling that whilst it has taken a hell of a effort to stop and turn the Queen Mary around you guys have done so and I see a this speeding at a great rate of knots unseen in NZ before.

Keep pushing all you concerned Kiwi’s because success is ahead.

Says one who played a part in the biggest political capitulation of the right to the left in NZ’s history. If you had any kind of record of success, you may have the right to criticize. As it is, all you’ve ever done in respect of right-left politics in this country is allow the opposition to walk all over you. Find somewhere else to bitch and moan. We’ll beat the bastards back without your “help”.

Don’t bother, if they’re irrational enough to hand the Sub-Standard boys and weak arse EFB apologists a stick to beat them with, I guess all you can do is hope they enjoy it enough that its worth the damage it does to their own casue. How does the saying go: “With friends like this…”

Nazism was a popular movement in Christian Germany that utilised latent antisemitism as an excuse to dismantle the institutions of democracy.

The nutters of the 1940s were the popular heroes of the early 30s.

The only major difference now is that we have witnessed the horrendous result of allowing the perpertrators of religious and racial hatred to run unchecked.

No doubt the Nazis of the 1930s would have comforted themselves in the in the psychiatric instability of any that compared them to Genghis Khan’s Mongols only to find that within 15 years they had managed to surpass their genocidal capacity.

It is only by constantly reminding one another of the end of tyranny that we can be assured that it won’t be repeated!

Everytime you use ‘Nazi’ you make the EFB supporters a little more comfortable and secure.

Attacking whistleblowers by either undermining them on spreading down right lies about them.

Using public funds to disseminate propoganda dressed up as information.

The list goes on and on.

I just posted this at “The Standard”. They are not liking this line of argument.

PhilBest
Dec 10th, 2007 at 10:34 am

Kent, my main argument is that if you read the “Hollow Men”, you will find that Hager had a staggering amount of detail about who Don Brash was seeing and when, and who he was communicating with and what he was saying. I don’t deny Don Brash’s links with Ruth Richardson or the Business Roundtable – Hager presents ample evidence of this, not that it needed proving.

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that 1) There was one helluva successful espionage job done on Don Brash by SOMEONE (and NZ’s fine non-partisan cops are doing a WONDERFUL job investigating, yeah, right) and 2) Hager had NOTHING that proved “links between Don Brash and the EB”. He had 1 e-mail FROM the EB TO the Nats, but NO REPLY, no other communications, and no meetings apart from “someone THINKS they saw some EB bump into Don Brash in a marketplace or something”. How did they set up the big plot to do leaflets “on behalf of the Nats” to circumvent the spending laws? Carrier pigeon?

Do you see my point? If there HAD been ANY evidence, Hager would have had it. You can bet your boots that whoever was behind this did their darndest to get some BEFORE the book was published. But they found they couldn’t, because there was none, but they went ahead and printed the book anyway, fudging the point re the EB, and relying on a highly compliant, brethren-hating media to do the rest for them, and a gullible NZ public to swallow the lie uncritically.

The time we’re in in NZ is akin to the era of the Reichstag fire in Germany in the mid 1930’s. We’ve got a government taking dictatorial powers to itself based on lies about minorities who can’t defend themselves, because the MEDIA has helped to whip up public odium against them. It is NOT a good look for the direction of the country.

Like Nathan Lane I guess.

A critically-praised, commercially-successful and award-winning actor who is constantly in work (unlike most)? Yeah, if only I was just like Mr. Lane.

Anyway, time to move on from tom’s typically lame and nasty thread-jack?