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		<title>By: Jum</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-398719</link>
		<dc:creator>Jum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction - one or two churches</description>
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		<title>By: Jum</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-398710</link>
		<dc:creator>Jum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RICHARD HURST

I was so poisoned by my experience on David Farrer&#039;s blogsite that I had a few days off to get back my equilibrium.  I hook back in and whose name do I see - yours telling LIES about me.

Check out my post on Colin Espiner&#039;s blog  30/10 @ 5.01pm (Maharey&#039;s Resignation has a Silver Lining for Clark) saying that while I thought it was a huge compliment that you seemed to think I was a Labour MP, that I was unfortunately not, (and would never be one, because I would never be courageous enough to absorb the filth that would be directed at me by the opposition, as I am experiencing slightly now).  This has only reinforced my respect for Helen Clark, and my contempt for the gutter politics that National Act is resorting to.  I

Apart from the fact that your vicious gossiping and lying about me needs an apology on this site and Colin Espiner&#039;s site and The Standard site, which has more heart and soul to it, than kiwiblog will ever have, I request that David Farrer castigate you for your underhanded manner and your deliberate lying about me if he wishes anyone to take his political objectivity seriously, henceforth.

The only obsession I have about women&#039;s rights is that they are treated equally under the law and in pay and in human rights.  I have a huge amount of respect for what Helen Clark (and Michael Cullen I might add) have done for this country since Roger Douglas and Ruth Richardson almost ripped out the heart and soul of wonderful average (like me) Kiwis.

Richard, I will NEVER have anything good to say about Jenny Shipley who singlehandedly destroyed a decent, humane medical system for pregnant women.  
Jenny Shipley is a perfect example of women with children who have less humanity than Helen Clark who chose not to have children, because she wanted to lead New Zealand to a more inclusive society.

I have an obsession, yes, for women who want to lift our country up and, yes, I do believe they are the only people as lynchpins in families, and companies and churches and government who can do that and more importantly WANT to do that, in conjunction with like-minded men, for New Zealanders, ALL New Zealanders. 

I am not a Labour Party member.  I have no idea what this Labour Party Email tree is, and I suggest very strongly, Richard, that you cease stalking me across blog sites and spreading lies.  Apart from the compliment of being linked to Labour, the party which should lead us into 2009 and beyond, I realise that you are using lies to try and frighten me off posting. Seriously, it would be wise for you to stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RICHARD HURST</p>
<p>I was so poisoned by my experience on David Farrer&#8217;s blogsite that I had a few days off to get back my equilibrium.  I hook back in and whose name do I see &#8211; yours telling LIES about me.</p>
<p>Check out my post on Colin Espiner&#8217;s blog  30/10 @ 5.01pm (Maharey&#8217;s Resignation has a Silver Lining for Clark) saying that while I thought it was a huge compliment that you seemed to think I was a Labour MP, that I was unfortunately not, (and would never be one, because I would never be courageous enough to absorb the filth that would be directed at me by the opposition, as I am experiencing slightly now).  This has only reinforced my respect for Helen Clark, and my contempt for the gutter politics that National Act is resorting to.  I</p>
<p>Apart from the fact that your vicious gossiping and lying about me needs an apology on this site and Colin Espiner&#8217;s site and The Standard site, which has more heart and soul to it, than kiwiblog will ever have, I request that David Farrer castigate you for your underhanded manner and your deliberate lying about me if he wishes anyone to take his political objectivity seriously, henceforth.</p>
<p>The only obsession I have about women&#8217;s rights is that they are treated equally under the law and in pay and in human rights.  I have a huge amount of respect for what Helen Clark (and Michael Cullen I might add) have done for this country since Roger Douglas and Ruth Richardson almost ripped out the heart and soul of wonderful average (like me) Kiwis.</p>
<p>Richard, I will NEVER have anything good to say about Jenny Shipley who singlehandedly destroyed a decent, humane medical system for pregnant women.<br />
Jenny Shipley is a perfect example of women with children who have less humanity than Helen Clark who chose not to have children, because she wanted to lead New Zealand to a more inclusive society.</p>
<p>I have an obsession, yes, for women who want to lift our country up and, yes, I do believe they are the only people as lynchpins in families, and companies and churches and government who can do that and more importantly WANT to do that, in conjunction with like-minded men, for New Zealanders, ALL New Zealanders. </p>
<p>I am not a Labour Party member.  I have no idea what this Labour Party Email tree is, and I suggest very strongly, Richard, that you cease stalking me across blog sites and spreading lies.  Apart from the compliment of being linked to Labour, the party which should lead us into 2009 and beyond, I realise that you are using lies to try and frighten me off posting. Seriously, it would be wise for you to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Jum</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-398677</link>
		<dc:creator>Jum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex Widerstrom

Thank you for taking up the cudgel on my behalf, on National Party spin doctors.</description>
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<p>Thank you for taking up the cudgel on my behalf, on National Party spin doctors.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee C</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-397481</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>47 million a year on Spin Doctors.  In the real world I like to see that amount going into real doctors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>47 million a year on Spin Doctors.  In the real world I like to see that amount going into real doctors.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-397086</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>$5.95USD per month for 500GB storage and 5 Terabytes of bandwidth per month.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Hurst</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-397071</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is something I would like to point out about the poster &quot;Jum&#039;. 
&#039;Jum&#039;, (I don&#039;t know her/his real name) admitted standing for Labour in a previous election. I asked which seat, but she/he wouldn&#039;t say. This was on Colin Espiners blog hosted by the Press. I think Jum is a women due to an obession displayed in the past about womens rights and how great Helen Clark is becuase she&#039;s a women PM. Oddly enough Jum has never said that about Jenny Shipley. Jum is without doubt on the Labour party email tree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is something I would like to point out about the poster &#8220;Jum&#8217;.<br />
&#8216;Jum&#8217;, (I don&#8217;t know her/his real name) admitted standing for Labour in a previous election. I asked which seat, but she/he wouldn&#8217;t say. This was on Colin Espiners blog hosted by the Press. I think Jum is a women due to an obession displayed in the past about womens rights and how great Helen Clark is becuase she&#8217;s a women PM. Oddly enough Jum has never said that about Jenny Shipley. Jum is without doubt on the Labour party email tree.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-397061</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The primary topic of the post seems to have been understandably almost forgotten in the furore over the Standard. Which is a pity.

448 people, each of their worth an &lt;i&gt;average&lt;/i&gt; of $104,910?! 

When I worked for NZF I averaged nine major speeches a week and six media releases a day (anyone thinking that&#039;s idle boasting can refer to Tom Scott&#039;s column in the Listener of 22 June 1996). So let&#039;s be generous and say that, allowing for long Parliamentary recesses etc I kept that up for 40 weeks a year, and issued no releases on the weekends. That&#039;s 360 speeches and 1,200 media releases a year. And I wasn&#039;t on $100,000+ since it was a taxpayer-funded job and I (naively, in retrospect) believed that if one chose to work in the public sector one should not expect private sector salaries.

What a journalist needs to do is count up the number of releases issued by one of these agencies (usually archived on their web sites) and divide them by the number of &quot;communications consultants / advisors / managers / co-ordinators&quot; in that agency.

Since some of the lower echelons (Communications Co-ordinators etc) would probably be on somewhere between $40k and $50k, there&#039;ll be some who are earning close to a Cabinet Minister&#039;s salary (though without the perks of course). At that kind of money, it not unreasonable for taxpayers to expect some accountability.

And DPF, though you neatly slid past Jum&#039;s question about the National Party&#039;s spin doctors, given the fact that a percentage of these highly paid communications people will undoubtedly have been appointed because of who they know rather than what they know, what &lt;i&gt;will&lt;/i&gt; National do? Clear house? Keep them all? Try and find a way to measure outputs and decide who&#039;s actually worth this kind of money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The primary topic of the post seems to have been understandably almost forgotten in the furore over the Standard. Which is a pity.</p>
<p>448 people, each of their worth an <i>average</i> of $104,910?! </p>
<p>When I worked for NZF I averaged nine major speeches a week and six media releases a day (anyone thinking that&#8217;s idle boasting can refer to Tom Scott&#8217;s column in the Listener of 22 June 1996). So let&#8217;s be generous and say that, allowing for long Parliamentary recesses etc I kept that up for 40 weeks a year, and issued no releases on the weekends. That&#8217;s 360 speeches and 1,200 media releases a year. And I wasn&#8217;t on $100,000+ since it was a taxpayer-funded job and I (naively, in retrospect) believed that if one chose to work in the public sector one should not expect private sector salaries.</p>
<p>What a journalist needs to do is count up the number of releases issued by one of these agencies (usually archived on their web sites) and divide them by the number of &#8220;communications consultants / advisors / managers / co-ordinators&#8221; in that agency.</p>
<p>Since some of the lower echelons (Communications Co-ordinators etc) would probably be on somewhere between $40k and $50k, there&#8217;ll be some who are earning close to a Cabinet Minister&#8217;s salary (though without the perks of course). At that kind of money, it not unreasonable for taxpayers to expect some accountability.</p>
<p>And DPF, though you neatly slid past Jum&#8217;s question about the National Party&#8217;s spin doctors, given the fact that a percentage of these highly paid communications people will undoubtedly have been appointed because of who they know rather than what they know, what <i>will</i> National do? Clear house? Keep them all? Try and find a way to measure outputs and decide who&#8217;s actually worth this kind of money?</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-396854</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reid said &quot;Maybe you don’t remember Muldoon’s “Orchids and other things” Sunday talk-back radio show?&quot;

I do remember Reid - and sorry to go all anal on you, but it was actually LILLIES and Other Things. Who would have thought it eh, the old tusker loved his lillies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid said &#8220;Maybe you don’t remember Muldoon’s “Orchids and other things” Sunday talk-back radio show?&#8221;</p>
<p>I do remember Reid &#8211; and sorry to go all anal on you, but it was actually LILLIES and Other Things. Who would have thought it eh, the old tusker loved his lillies!</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-396637</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TANE tane,always posting ,defending lying arseholes, you must sigh at the creeps you defend in your posts,(you get paid well for it) ps whats the liar claark that rules us going to do about all the CHILD killings the beatings of TOURESTS and the general PUBLIC you know the SHIT thats destroying the fabric of our country TANE?????????tane , king of the forest ,,um?? i know a new law under witchy  (gay rights for the whales) that will take the plebes minds of all the beatings and killings ps folks dont go out on a Saturdaynight ,under LIARBOR you might get a bash, im not joking. john</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TANE tane,always posting ,defending lying arseholes, you must sigh at the creeps you defend in your posts,(you get paid well for it) ps whats the liar claark that rules us going to do about all the CHILD killings the beatings of TOURESTS and the general PUBLIC you know the SHIT thats destroying the fabric of our country TANE?????????tane , king of the forest ,,um?? i know a new law under witchy  (gay rights for the whales) that will take the plebes minds of all the beatings and killings ps folks dont go out on a Saturdaynight ,under LIARBOR you might get a bash, im not joking. john</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-396563</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then spending big on spin doctors to keep the masses fooled. While the media sits on their partisan arses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then spending big on spin doctors to keep the masses fooled. While the media sits on their partisan arses.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-396554</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember what those partisan bastards in the news media did to the &quot;cost of consultants&quot; when the Nats were trying to reform the health system? Come on, guys, show you&#039;ve got SOME honest bones in your bodies, by getting off your arses and doing some real scrutiny of the kind of wastage thats been going on since, not on reforms, but on perpetuating the failed ways of the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember what those partisan bastards in the news media did to the &#8220;cost of consultants&#8221; when the Nats were trying to reform the health system? Come on, guys, show you&#8217;ve got SOME honest bones in your bodies, by getting off your arses and doing some real scrutiny of the kind of wastage thats been going on since, not on reforms, but on perpetuating the failed ways of the past.</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-396535</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t seem to find it Sushi. Tane, I have an idea for an objective, neutral &quot;truth machine&quot; zat vil influence the masses. Can you give me the number of your ISP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t seem to find it Sushi. Tane, I have an idea for an objective, neutral &#8220;truth machine&#8221; zat vil influence the masses. Can you give me the number of your ISP?</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-396532</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good idea Sushi, me too. I&#039;ll see if I can find the Propaganda Ministry in the phone book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea Sushi, me too. I&#8217;ll see if I can find the Propaganda Ministry in the phone book.</p>
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		<title>By: Sushi Goblin</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-396508</link>
		<dc:creator>Sushi Goblin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need some taxpayer funded server space as well. Does anyone know who I can talk to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need some taxpayer funded server space as well. Does anyone know who I can talk to?</p>
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		<title>By: Whaleoil</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-396501</link>
		<dc:creator>Whaleoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tāne your excuses are hollow.

Independent, yeah right. Hosted by labour, bandwidth paid for by Labour.

haven&#039;t voted Labour, don&#039;t vote Labour, don&#039;t work for labour.....but conveniently someone gave you some server space.....Hollow excuses from hollow men.

You must have been lying when you said it cost $10 a month for hosting. Your we either lying then or you are lying now, or here&#039;s a thought you lie all the time.

Hollow man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tāne your excuses are hollow.</p>
<p>Independent, yeah right. Hosted by labour, bandwidth paid for by Labour.</p>
<p>haven&#8217;t voted Labour, don&#8217;t vote Labour, don&#8217;t work for labour&#8230;..but conveniently someone gave you some server space&#8230;..Hollow excuses from hollow men.</p>
<p>You must have been lying when you said it cost $10 a month for hosting. Your we either lying then or you are lying now, or here&#8217;s a thought you lie all the time.</p>
<p>Hollow man.</p>
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		<title>By: Tane</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-396494</link>
		<dc:creator>Tane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G&#039;day PaulM, no our blog is not being paid for by Labour or the taxpayer, nor do any of us derive an income from it - quite the opposite.

We set The Standard up as an independent left-wing blog in August last year. As you probably remember by about November our traffic had got so large our server was crashing every day, sometimes for hours at a time. We put out a call and at the end of last year someone from Labour emailed us and offered us some temporary server space until we worked something out.

It&#039;s not the ideal solution I admit, but as a temporary measure it sure beats having your site down for hours at a time during peak hours. We&#039;ll probably have some new hosting sorted some time within the next month. Don&#039;t fret though Paul, it hasn&#039;t stopped us telling our readers to vote Green.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&#8217;day PaulM, no our blog is not being paid for by Labour or the taxpayer, nor do any of us derive an income from it &#8211; quite the opposite.</p>
<p>We set The Standard up as an independent left-wing blog in August last year. As you probably remember by about November our traffic had got so large our server was crashing every day, sometimes for hours at a time. We put out a call and at the end of last year someone from Labour emailed us and offered us some temporary server space until we worked something out.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the ideal solution I admit, but as a temporary measure it sure beats having your site down for hours at a time during peak hours. We&#8217;ll probably have some new hosting sorted some time within the next month. Don&#8217;t fret though Paul, it hasn&#8217;t stopped us telling our readers to vote Green.</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Jum, I withdraw and apologise. Seriously. Just try not to be so biased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Jum, I withdraw and apologise. Seriously. Just try not to be so biased.</p>
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		<title>By: Jum</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-396487</link>
		<dc:creator>Jum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#  Peak Oil Conspiracy Says:
January 20th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Jum:
Still no retraction of the nasty smear in your 5:25 comment? You didn’t manage to skip over Sushi Goblin’s helpful suggestion (If I were you I’d think about a retraction and apology - 5:39) did you?

Peak Oil - Just spotted you.  Refer to comments 

reid Says:
January 20th, 2008 at 5:03 pm - 
began ranting at my perfectly acceptable post with comments about Goebbels and Communists and socialists all lumped in with lipstick on pigs.  When people attack me I have a right to defend myself.  When I realised I had probably hurt DPF I retracted my remark.  I&#039;m on this site to get honest opinions and yet people are so toxic.  I will get toxic back and quite frankly I don&#039;t enjoy the whole experience very much.  




If this is a site for just National supporters to say what they like, and in the nastiest way, then say so and I will vacate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  Peak Oil Conspiracy Says:<br />
January 20th, 2008 at 6:20 pm<br />
Jum:<br />
Still no retraction of the nasty smear in your 5:25 comment? You didn’t manage to skip over Sushi Goblin’s helpful suggestion (If I were you I’d think about a retraction and apology &#8211; 5:39) did you?</p>
<p>Peak Oil &#8211; Just spotted you.  Refer to comments </p>
<p>reid Says:<br />
January 20th, 2008 at 5:03 pm &#8211;<br />
began ranting at my perfectly acceptable post with comments about Goebbels and Communists and socialists all lumped in with lipstick on pigs.  When people attack me I have a right to defend myself.  When I realised I had probably hurt DPF I retracted my remark.  I&#8217;m on this site to get honest opinions and yet people are so toxic.  I will get toxic back and quite frankly I don&#8217;t enjoy the whole experience very much.  </p>
<p>If this is a site for just National supporters to say what they like, and in the nastiest way, then say so and I will vacate.</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don’t imagine your attacks on me will ever make me feel bad when I witness every day the constant battering by you and your mates against all the parts of New Zealand I love best.&quot;

Take one for the cause eh Jum? What a brave, brave, brave s/he you are. Sniff.

I was merely referring to the fact that Goebbels as a facist was part of your ilk, just like the commies are. Some socialists don&#039;t even know the connection, some just disingenuously deny it as if it doesn&#039;t exist, but it&#039;s there. It has to do with whether you believe in big govt or small govt. Socialists believe the bigger the problem the bigger the govt solution needs to be. Conservatives believe the govt should be smaller and in many cases applying free choice will address the problem. Facism and communism are both big govt solutions.

Sorry to point out the truth, I certainly didn&#039;t mean for you to be offended by it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don’t imagine your attacks on me will ever make me feel bad when I witness every day the constant battering by you and your mates against all the parts of New Zealand I love best.&#8221;</p>
<p>Take one for the cause eh Jum? What a brave, brave, brave s/he you are. Sniff.</p>
<p>I was merely referring to the fact that Goebbels as a facist was part of your ilk, just like the commies are. Some socialists don&#8217;t even know the connection, some just disingenuously deny it as if it doesn&#8217;t exist, but it&#8217;s there. It has to do with whether you believe in big govt or small govt. Socialists believe the bigger the problem the bigger the govt solution needs to be. Conservatives believe the govt should be smaller and in many cases applying free choice will address the problem. Facism and communism are both big govt solutions.</p>
<p>Sorry to point out the truth, I certainly didn&#8217;t mean for you to be offended by it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jum</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/47_million_a_year_on_govt_spin_doctors.html#comment-396483</link>
		<dc:creator>Jum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sushi

Since DPF is part Jewish I will remove what would obviously be a nasty remark,
 
and I will attach it to you and refer you to my last post, which is the better choice.

Don&#039;t imagine your attacks on me will ever make me feel bad when I witness every day the constant battering by you and your mates against all the parts of New Zealand I love best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sushi</p>
<p>Since DPF is part Jewish I will remove what would obviously be a nasty remark,</p>
<p>and I will attach it to you and refer you to my last post, which is the better choice.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t imagine your attacks on me will ever make me feel bad when I witness every day the constant battering by you and your mates against all the parts of New Zealand I love best.</p>
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