Comments on: A quarter of South Auckland foster parents quit http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html DPF's Kiwiblog - Fomenting Happy Mischief since 2003 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:54:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: fostermum http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-423657 fostermum Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:41:46 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-423657 Hi fosterdad2, Just came across your comment. If you haven't already seen the info on Key Assets NZ, then check out their website at www.keyassets.co.nz. Key assets has already launched and they are based in Manukau - South Auckland. Hi fosterdad2,

Just came across your comment. If you haven’t already seen the info on Key Assets NZ, then check out their website at http://www.keyassets.co.nz. Key assets has already launched and they are based in Manukau – South Auckland.

]]> By: fosterdad2 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-404720 fosterdad2 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:24:00 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-404720 I've been a care giver for 12 years and we would never dream of resorting to physical chastisement. The kids in our care have generally come from horrific life experiences and we are charged with showing them a different way of being parented, thats our job and thats what we strive to do! I'd love to know more about this Key Assets NZ fostering agency where are they launching, can anyone throw any light on that?? I had a look at their sister agency in the UK website and their services sound really interesting..... I've taken to not believing everything I read in the Newspapers! I’ve been a care giver for 12 years and we would never dream of resorting to physical chastisement. The kids in our care have generally come from horrific life experiences and we are charged with showing them a different way of being parented, thats our job and thats what we strive to do! I’d love to know more about this Key Assets NZ fostering agency where are they launching, can anyone throw any light on that?? I had a look at their sister agency in the UK website and their services sound really interesting….. I’ve taken to not believing everything I read in the Newspapers!

]]> By: John Dalley http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397186 John Dalley Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:36:17 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397186 john who asked you to butt in. D4J seems to have bitten the dust for the time being, is john the split personality kicking in your sure as hell starting to sound as ponsy as he is. john who asked you to butt in. D4J seems to have bitten the dust for the time being, is john the split personality kicking in your sure as hell starting to sound as ponsy as he is.

]]> By: Lee C http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397179 Lee C Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:22:38 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397179 Kiki - D-P-B- for 1 Kiki – D-P-B- for 1

]]> By: kiki http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397167 kiki Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:57:49 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397167 Read in the listener (I know) about a long term study of children by Dunedin Uni. It showed that affection,boundaries and affirmation before 3 are at least the starting blocks to a well rounded individual. You look at foster families but it's become very hard by the time a child has arrived here. We really need to go back to the start and ask why do woman have children that they are not prepared to love and care for? Read in the listener (I know) about a long term study of children by Dunedin Uni. It showed that affection,boundaries and affirmation before 3 are at least the starting blocks to a well rounded individual. You look at foster families but it’s become very hard by the time a child has arrived here.

We really need to go back to the start and ask why do woman have children that they are not prepared to love and care for?

]]> By: Lee C http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397163 Lee C Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:43:13 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397163 The issue is not that foster parents want the right in law to beat their charges into submission, nor that they believe tht discipline is necessarily administered with a slap or with restraint, or with a harsh telling-off. The problem is that they are asked to take chrge of damaged and street-smart chilkdren who now now that any allegaation of misuse or abuse must be investigated. Ask yourself this, if you are a hard-working couple who wants to give something back, but could jeaopardise your employment and therefore your living as a result of gaining a criminal record caused by the allegation of a child who knew S59 was another tool in his or her kit for manipulating the system, would you step up to the plate? No-brainer. Caused by no-brainers. The issue is not that foster parents want the right in law to beat their charges into submission, nor that they believe tht discipline is necessarily administered with a slap or with restraint, or with a harsh telling-off.
The problem is that they are asked to take chrge of damaged and street-smart chilkdren who now now that any allegaation of misuse or abuse must be investigated.

Ask yourself this, if you are a hard-working couple who wants to give something back, but could jeaopardise your employment and therefore your living as a result of gaining a criminal record caused by the allegation of a child who knew S59 was another tool in his or her kit for manipulating the system, would you step up to the plate?

No-brainer. Caused by no-brainers.

]]> By: James http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397158 James Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:36:31 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397158 Kids need a good hard run in with consequences to get them in line with socieities requirements....if that means a whack then good....better when young then in prison later when its too late... Kids need a good hard run in with consequences to get them in line with socieities requirements….if that means a whack then good….better when young then in prison later when its too late…

]]> By: Dale http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397131 Dale Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:15:13 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397131 While those good folk get only $147 to $174 a week to look after these kids, is it any wonder they give up? And the same government demands that I pay my ex $225 a week for one child. While those good folk get only $147 to $174 a week to look after these kids, is it any wonder they give up? And the same government demands that I pay my ex $225 a week for one child.

]]> By: john http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397126 john Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:09:28 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397126 John Dalley ,a blast from the past,shit JD your mates are falling like flies.here WATCH your words lefty , CAUTION, you are NOT posting to the converted but you are a extinct reminder of a piss poor political system thought up by lenin, stalin, and mao,and various arseholes from various universities here and there. IE DICKS John Dalley ,a blast from the past,shit JD your mates are falling like flies.here
WATCH your words lefty , CAUTION, you are NOT posting to the converted
but you are a extinct reminder of a piss poor political system thought up by lenin, stalin, and mao,and various arseholes from various universities here and there. IE DICKS

]]> By: John Dalley http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397123 John Dalley Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:56:22 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397123 Are you suggesting Phil that you look after difficult children for CYP. Are you suggesting Phil that you look after difficult children for CYP.

]]> By: john http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397120 john Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:54:21 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397120 If anyone moans ,i will CLIP them around the ears ,OPPS section 59 , arsehole bradford GREENEE, NZ the way we have got it ,sigh, :( If anyone moans ,i will CLIP them around the ears ,OPPS
section 59 , arsehole bradford GREENEE, NZ the way we have got it ,sigh, :(

]]> By: PhilBest http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397118 PhilBest Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:50:17 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397118 I'm afraid that the "problem children" who turned out to be success stories in the past, had to be given good doses of traditional discipline - and these foster parents know it. It is all very well for some childless feminists or some who were lucky enough to have docile children, to foist anti-smacking legislation on everybody. Sue Bradford and Helen Clark should have to look after some of the most difficult foster children for even a short period and see how they cope. I’m afraid that the “problem children” who turned out to be success stories in the past, had to be given good doses of traditional discipline – and these foster parents know it.

It is all very well for some childless feminists or some who were lucky enough to have docile children, to foist anti-smacking legislation on everybody. Sue Bradford and Helen Clark should have to look after some of the most difficult foster children for even a short period and see how they cope.

]]> By: fostermum http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397113 fostermum Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:29:35 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397113 As the person quoted in this article I would like to put some things straight. I was never interviewed about the repeal of s59 - I was phoned about the new organisation - Key Assets NZ that is due to be launched shortly. At no time was I aware that I was being interviewed re the repeal of s59. This interview should also have never mentioned the South Auckland Caregivers Association. As a caregiver for many years, I have always been aware that caregivers are unable to harm foster children in any way. There has however been times when caregivers have needed to restrain a child/young person in order to stop that child/young person either harming themselves or others. It is with this in mind that some caregivers have a very real fear with the repeal of s59 of the possibility of being charged should they need to restrain a child/young person or should the child/young person need to be placed in time out. This fear is quite real, and with the recent cases in the media regarding parents and their own children, it is obvious why. Caregivers often take in children from very sad and disturbed backgrounds. These children/young people are very hard at times and it does take very special people to take care of these children/young people. I am also aware of caregivers that have left caregiving because of the fear of being charged as well as because of the other reasons that were sited in the article by Byron Perkins. I am very sorry that this article came about As the person quoted in this article I would like to put some things straight.

I was never interviewed about the repeal of s59 – I was phoned about the new organisation – Key Assets NZ that is due to be launched shortly. At no time was I aware that I was being interviewed re the repeal of s59. This interview should also have never mentioned the South Auckland Caregivers Association.

As a caregiver for many years, I have always been aware that caregivers are unable to harm foster children in any way. There has however been times when caregivers have needed to restrain a child/young person in order to stop that child/young person either harming themselves or others.

It is with this in mind that some caregivers have a very real fear with the repeal of s59 of the possibility of being charged should they need to restrain a child/young person or should the child/young person need to be placed in time out.

This fear is quite real, and with the recent cases in the media regarding parents and their own children, it is obvious why.

Caregivers often take in children from very sad and disturbed backgrounds. These children/young people are very hard at times and it does take very special people to take care of these children/young people.

I am also aware of caregivers that have left caregiving because of the fear of being charged as well as because of the other reasons that were sited in the article by Byron Perkins.

I am very sorry that this article came about

]]> By: horisthebear http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397109 horisthebear Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:22:37 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397109 It is interesting that we all seem to acquaint poor areas as those that have the most problem with section 59. My grandmother was a foster mother to 11 over her life. As a result we grew up in one of the poorest parts of NZ, which was not south auckland but eastern Chch. Violence was not a factor in our home, but it was prevelant in the community. People have a choice what tools to raise their kids parents need the skills and the space to manage problem children. I was often told I was one! It is interesting that we all seem to acquaint poor areas as those that have the most problem with section 59. My grandmother was a foster mother to 11 over her life. As a result we grew up in one of the poorest parts of NZ, which was not south auckland but eastern Chch. Violence was not a factor in our home, but it was prevelant in the community. People have a choice what tools to raise their kids parents need the skills and the space to manage problem children. I was often told I was one!

]]> By: stephen http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397083 stephen Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:11:37 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397083 Probably a similar situation with people who DID support the repeal. Your prerogative. Probably a similar situation with people who DID support the repeal. Your prerogative.

]]> By: side show bob http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397058 side show bob Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:08:17 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397058 We give quite a few donations a year to various charities. Alot of donations were insupport of child charities, we now ask if their organisation supported the smacking bill. To those who answer yes we withdraw our donation. Some are "upset" and ask why, it's simple. We say you are your own organistion and must do what you think is right but this is our money we think the bill is bullshit so we will keep our money. I bet many organisations are having second thoughts as they rushed in with all guns blazing insupport of this crap, when the polls clearly said the people think this is shit. I feel sorry for the children and I doubt if our protest would make a scrap of difference but it sends a clear message to those who lick the governments arse that there is a consequence. We give quite a few donations a year to various charities. Alot of donations were insupport of child charities, we now ask if their organisation supported the smacking bill. To those who answer yes we withdraw our donation. Some are “upset” and ask why, it’s simple. We say you are your own organistion and must do what you think is right but this is our money we think the bill is bullshit so we will keep our money. I bet many organisations are having second thoughts as they rushed in with all guns blazing insupport of this crap, when the polls clearly said the people think this is shit. I feel sorry for the children and I doubt if our protest would make a scrap of difference but it sends a clear message to those who lick the governments arse that there is a consequence.

]]> By: stephen http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397019 stephen Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:42:28 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-397019 Yes goodgod 'reasonable force' didn't really ever seem to mean ANYTHING, that was the problem I believe. Foster parents were never allowed to use it anyway, what kind of half assed post is this? Yes goodgod ‘reasonable force’ didn’t really ever seem to mean ANYTHING, that was the problem I believe. Foster parents were never allowed to use it anyway, what kind of half assed post is this?

]]> By: ManukauMum http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-396997 ManukauMum Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:21:58 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-396997 Some close friends of mine, who already have a blended family and live in Manurewa, have just been accepted as foster parents. Those of us who know & love them can't think of a better couple to take on the challenges, but we hope the strain is not too much for their own family. The rest of us have enough trouble handling our own offspring & their mates! Some close friends of mine, who already have a blended family and live in Manurewa, have just been accepted as foster parents. Those of us who know & love them can’t think of a better couple to take on the challenges, but we hope the strain is not too much for their own family. The rest of us have enough trouble handling our own offspring & their mates!

]]> By: cha http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-396983 cha Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:57:32 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-396983 <i>Standards for approval For Child and Family Support Services and Community Services under s 396 (3) and s 403 (1) of the Children, Young Persons, and Their Families Act 1989</i> <i>The organisation ensures that its staff and caregivers do not use methods of discipline or control that involve physical or emotional punishment.</i> http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:o-OPbyJm-fcJ:www.cyf.govt.nz/documents/standards(1).pdf+cyfs+policy+on+foster+parents&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=49&client=firefox-a Standards for approval

For Child and Family Support Services and Community
Services under s 396 (3) and s 403 (1) of the Children,
Young Persons, and Their Families Act 1989

The organisation ensures that its staff and caregivers do not use methods of
discipline or control that involve physical or emotional punishment.

http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:o-OPbyJm-fcJ:www.cyf.govt.nz/documents/standards(1).pdf+cyfs+policy+on+foster+parents&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=49&client=firefox-a

]]> By: goodgod http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-396968 goodgod Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:35:38 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/a_quarter_of_south_auckland_foster_parents_quit.html#comment-396968 For the hard of reading, or those with no comprehension skills, government "spinners", "bullshit callers" and other ingenuine individuals: "...South Auckland Caregivers Association chairwoman Allysa Carberry said the repeal of section 59 of the Crimes Act, which allowed caregivers to use reasonable force to "correct" children, had made a chronic shortage worse." REASONABLE FORCE I typed it slow. Know what it means? It doesn't soley mean hitting, as the supporters of the amendment to S59 well know. And when taken in context with this: “These kids are really hard. They just don’t care who they hurt, and you need really special people to take them on. If you have a kid that is yelling and screaming at you, what are you supposed to do?” Understand it now? No, didn't think so. Carry on then. Ignorance is bliss, they say. For the hard of reading, or those with no comprehension skills, government “spinners”, “bullshit callers” and other ingenuine individuals:

“…South Auckland Caregivers Association chairwoman Allysa Carberry said the repeal of section 59 of the Crimes Act, which allowed caregivers to use reasonable force to “correct” children, had made a chronic shortage worse.”

REASONABLE FORCE

I typed it slow. Know what it means? It doesn’t soley mean hitting, as the supporters of the amendment to S59 well know.

And when taken in context with this:

“These kids are really hard. They just don’t care who they hurt, and you need really special people to take them on. If you have a kid that is yelling and screaming at you, what are you supposed to do?”

Understand it now? No, didn’t think so. Carry on then. Ignorance is bliss, they say.

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