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		<title>By: Paul W</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402650</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wackos are everywhere!</description>
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		<title>By: Lee C</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402586</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t even aware Helen Clark kept livestock, let alone chickens. Still., live and learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t even aware Helen Clark kept livestock, let alone chickens. Still., live and learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402537</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that was a rather disturbing picture, wasn&#039;t it? Randomly clicking through blogs and coming across that abberation was ... well ... ugh. Very very low class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that was a rather disturbing picture, wasn&#8217;t it? Randomly clicking through blogs and coming across that abberation was &#8230; well &#8230; ugh. Very very low class.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Ranapia</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402532</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Ranapia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Craig, no harm done &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nah... the power of the bitch must be used for good (against arseholes who deserve) not collateral damage when freaked out &#039;cause some odd soul sent my a very strange picture with the suggestion that I &quot;suck Helen Clark&#039;s cock&quot;. (Forget it Jake. It&#039;s Crazytown.)

So, yes, I really am sorry for giving you an out of line bitching.

As for my lovely correspondent (who may be lurking here): Sick fuck.  Professional help.  NOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Craig, no harm done </p></blockquote>
<p>Nah&#8230; the power of the bitch must be used for good (against arseholes who deserve) not collateral damage when freaked out &#8217;cause some odd soul sent my a very strange picture with the suggestion that I &#8220;suck Helen Clark&#8217;s cock&#8221;. (Forget it Jake. It&#8217;s Crazytown.)</p>
<p>So, yes, I really am sorry for giving you an out of line bitching.</p>
<p>As for my lovely correspondent (who may be lurking here): Sick fuck.  Professional help.  NOW.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402513</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, no harm done - my mum&#039;s strictly vino blanco per favore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, no harm done &#8211; my mum&#8217;s strictly vino blanco per favore.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’ll think about it over the weekend while I&#039;m sitting on my island in the sun. &quot;

Charlie Tan, are you a resident of Alcatraz? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ll think about it over the weekend while I&#8217;m sitting on my island in the sun. &#8221;</p>
<p>Charlie Tan, are you a resident of Alcatraz? <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Craig Ranapia</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402510</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Ranapia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PaulW:

Fair cop -- sorry for getting snippy but there&#039;s been some, shall we say, rather peculiar correspondence coming through the electro-mail.  Sorry, but did I black out and call someone&#039;s mother a crack whore?  

&lt;i&gt;Ahhh now that the division has begun&lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t trot out the Dr. Evil cackle quite yet, Charlie, because I&#039;m not too fond of the left-wingnuts either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PaulW:</p>
<p>Fair cop &#8212; sorry for getting snippy but there&#8217;s been some, shall we say, rather peculiar correspondence coming through the electro-mail.  Sorry, but did I black out and call someone&#8217;s mother a crack whore?  </p>
<p><i>Ahhh now that the division has begun</i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t trot out the Dr. Evil cackle quite yet, Charlie, because I&#8217;m not too fond of the left-wingnuts either.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Tan</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402466</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;when the cream of the wingnutterari call me a liar and sycophantic arse-sucker without any basis in fact, then I’m going to respond.&quot;

Ahhh now that the division has begun, we can work on the conquering. Maybe I&#039;ll think about it over the weekend while I:m sitting on my island in the sun. Later, dudes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;when the cream of the wingnutterari call me a liar and sycophantic arse-sucker without any basis in fact, then I’m going to respond.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ahhh now that the division has begun, we can work on the conquering. Maybe I&#8217;ll think about it over the weekend while I:m sitting on my island in the sun. Later, dudes.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, good god man, settle down... who on earth used these words? Certainly not me. My comments, incidentally, were an addition to your list, which I thought was quite good, and if they related to anyone, then it was David.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, good god man, settle down&#8230; who on earth used these words? Certainly not me. My comments, incidentally, were an addition to your list, which I thought was quite good, and if they related to anyone, then it was David.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Ranapia</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402450</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Ranapia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Craig, perhaps we might add to this list; take a breath before launching into Henny Penny mode.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry, PaulW, but what the fuck are you going on about?  I&#039;ll swallow a lot of dead rats around these parts -- since our host seems willing to put up with them -- but when the cream of the wingnutterari call me a liar and sycophantic arse-sucker without any basis in fact, then I&#039;m going to respond. Often in a way that wouldn&#039;t win the Emily Post Seal of Approval.

Deal with it.  

I also stand by my comment that striking ideologically purist postures in blog comments is all well and good (done it myself enough times), but the pragmatic realities of political life aren&#039;t the same thing.  And no amount of blog-bile is going to change it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Craig, perhaps we might add to this list; take a breath before launching into Henny Penny mode.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry, PaulW, but what the fuck are you going on about?  I&#8217;ll swallow a lot of dead rats around these parts &#8212; since our host seems willing to put up with them &#8212; but when the cream of the wingnutterari call me a liar and sycophantic arse-sucker without any basis in fact, then I&#8217;m going to respond. Often in a way that wouldn&#8217;t win the Emily Post Seal of Approval.</p>
<p>Deal with it.  </p>
<p>I also stand by my comment that striking ideologically purist postures in blog comments is all well and good (done it myself enough times), but the pragmatic realities of political life aren&#8217;t the same thing.  And no amount of blog-bile is going to change it.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank.</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402447</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To provide an incentive for voluntary repayments, with a 10% bonus on any repayment over $500 &#039;

Let&#039;s  look at this closely.

Is it a &quot;bribe&quot;, in that John Key is proposing to use Taxpayer Money to induce student loan borrowers to vote for him, seeing he is not now going to scrap their interest free loans?

They may as well have a second bite at the same tax payer provided cherry . A bribe on a bribe? Electioeering has started. Or as has been said fittingly elsewhere. The Great Auction of Taxpayer&#039;s Money/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To provide an incentive for voluntary repayments, with a 10% bonus on any repayment over $500 &#8216;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s  look at this closely.</p>
<p>Is it a &#8220;bribe&#8221;, in that John Key is proposing to use Taxpayer Money to induce student loan borrowers to vote for him, seeing he is not now going to scrap their interest free loans?</p>
<p>They may as well have a second bite at the same tax payer provided cherry . A bribe on a bribe? Electioeering has started. Or as has been said fittingly elsewhere. The Great Auction of Taxpayer&#8217;s Money/</p>
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		<title>By: Lee C</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402426</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps Kat if you are reading this I&#039;m on my coffee break and eill be going back to work about now. XXX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps Kat if you are reading this I&#8217;m on my coffee break and eill be going back to work about now. XXX</p>
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		<title>By: Lee C</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402423</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that arguments against the Student Loan situation still hold water. But what are you going to do, seriously as a responsible politician?  Scrap them and leave all those who signed up for it f**d?  Same with kiwisaver. No best you can so is makje the best of a bad policy. One of my gripes about the interest free loans was that ie would be a sop to the middle classes at the expense of the poorer ones,  therefore hypocritical coming from Labour. The other was that debt would rise because it would be easy to get into therefore bad for poor kids.  Finally it would not disincentivise the flights from NZ to higher wage economies.
At least Key&#039;s proposals offers some comfort to those who wish to repay their debt and an incentive to stay in NZ.  There are examples of Labour not scrapping National Policy, or at least keeping and adapting them. This is rule by the majority and centre politics.  All those griping about the &#039;flip-flop&#039; and getting offended because Key has pitched a sensible policy to middle NZ really need to grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that arguments against the Student Loan situation still hold water. But what are you going to do, seriously as a responsible politician?  Scrap them and leave all those who signed up for it f**d?  Same with kiwisaver. No best you can so is makje the best of a bad policy. One of my gripes about the interest free loans was that ie would be a sop to the middle classes at the expense of the poorer ones,  therefore hypocritical coming from Labour. The other was that debt would rise because it would be easy to get into therefore bad for poor kids.  Finally it would not disincentivise the flights from NZ to higher wage economies.<br />
At least Key&#8217;s proposals offers some comfort to those who wish to repay their debt and an incentive to stay in NZ.  There are examples of Labour not scrapping National Policy, or at least keeping and adapting them. This is rule by the majority and centre politics.  All those griping about the &#8216;flip-flop&#8217; and getting offended because Key has pitched a sensible policy to middle NZ really need to grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee C</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402402</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry are = arguing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry are = arguing</p>
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		<title>By: Lee C</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402399</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie - so what exactly do you have against JK - are you are that he is less hypocrical and deluded tha Helen or the opposite?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie &#8211; so what exactly do you have against JK &#8211; are you are that he is less hypocrical and deluded tha Helen or the opposite?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402390</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FFS, I&#039;m a little new to html...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FFS, I&#8217;m a little new to html&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402382</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Yes, Paul, and I generally try to avoid folks who still haven’t gotten through their grieving process for FPP, crank up the heresy trail every time DPF has the gall to opine that the Government might actually have a point, and on and on and on…

And, I’ve got to wonder where DPF actually said he agreed with interest-free student loans as opposed to recognizing that there are some pragmatic (and blindingly obvious to me) pragmatic realities involved here.

Here’s some good things to learn if you’re interested in governing rather than ideological pure irrelevance:
1) Learn how to count.
2) Pick your battles (and make sure they’re really worth taking hits for), rather than flailing ineffectually.
3) And remember that there are one or two people out there you’re going to have to win over.&lt;/i&gt;

Craig, perhaps we might add to this list; take a breath before launching into Henny Penny mode. I think what is more than a little amusing is to see David simultaneous discover the vissicitudes of politics and preach the doctrine of neccessity. I usually treat David&#039;s hyperbole with scant regard but what next will discover National now supports? Had he been a little less shrill in &#039;05, he&#039;d look less silly now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Yes, Paul, and I generally try to avoid folks who still haven’t gotten through their grieving process for FPP, crank up the heresy trail every time DPF has the gall to opine that the Government might actually have a point, and on and on and on…</p>
<p>And, I’ve got to wonder where DPF actually said he agreed with interest-free student loans as opposed to recognizing that there are some pragmatic (and blindingly obvious to me) pragmatic realities involved here.</p>
<p>Here’s some good things to learn if you’re interested in governing rather than ideological pure irrelevance:<br />
1) Learn how to count.<br />
2) Pick your battles (and make sure they’re really worth taking hits for), rather than flailing ineffectually.<br />
3) And remember that there are one or two people out there you’re going to have to win over.</i></p>
<p>Craig, perhaps we might add to this list; take a breath before launching into Henny Penny mode. I think what is more than a little amusing is to see David simultaneous discover the vissicitudes of politics and preach the doctrine of neccessity. I usually treat David&#8217;s hyperbole with scant regard but what next will discover National now supports? Had he been a little less shrill in &#8216;05, he&#8217;d look less silly now.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Charlie Tan</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402377</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They also make horribly left wing arguments about how the public (and private) sector exploit the people who already work for them. Any hook will do, I guess.

In any case, this is a sidetrack. It may assuage most of your friends&#039; guilt in following their leader as turns greek*, but I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll be crying into their pillows tonight.



*That is, all Helenistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They also make horribly left wing arguments about how the public (and private) sector exploit the people who already work for them. Any hook will do, I guess.</p>
<p>In any case, this is a sidetrack. It may assuage most of your friends&#8217; guilt in following their leader as turns greek*, but I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll be crying into their pillows tonight.</p>
<p>*That is, all Helenistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Ranapia</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402369</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Ranapia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You may consider social workers, ward nurses and prison guards “slackers” unaha. But I don’t let the market decide for me the worth of a human being or profession.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Funny, because I keep hearing public sector unions making awfully right-wing, market based arguments that if you pay peanuts and offer appalling condition, you shouldn&#039;t be surprised if you get monkeys.  Welcome to a tight labour market where demand exceeds supply by a considerable margin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You may consider social workers, ward nurses and prison guards “slackers” unaha. But I don’t let the market decide for me the worth of a human being or profession.</p></blockquote>
<p>Funny, because I keep hearing public sector unions making awfully right-wing, market based arguments that if you pay peanuts and offer appalling condition, you shouldn&#8217;t be surprised if you get monkeys.  Welcome to a tight labour market where demand exceeds supply by a considerable margin.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Tan</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/national_promises_incentive_to_make_voluntary_loan_repayments.html#comment-402361</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nurses do not all work for state-run monopolies. Nor do social workers. And I think you&#039;ll find that those ward nurses who work for private companies are often paid less than their brothers and sisters in the public system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nurses do not all work for state-run monopolies. Nor do social workers. And I think you&#8217;ll find that those ward nurses who work for private companies are often paid less than their brothers and sisters in the public system.</p>
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